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My father, may he rest in peace, often said “Never volunteer.” His caveat: “Except when it’s your duty.” So, in 2008 I volunteered to chair a search committee for the City College of the City University of New York’s philosophy department. It began as a duty, but quickly snowballed into a challenge and, apparently, into a saga that has both a happy and a sad ending.

In early autumn 2008, we began to advertise the assistant professor, tenure-track position. Our department is small, with just six full-time members and a dozen or so adjuncts. However, it is versatile and we cover quite a few philosophical bases. Because of this, we sought to hire as promising a young philosopher as we could find, instead of seeking expertise in a predetermined area of specialization (e.g. logic or ethics or philosophy of X-ology). We designated the area of specialization and areas of competence – essential components of philosophy ads – as “Open.”

This broadening tactic invariably attracts more – rather than fewer – applicants. We expected to receive between 200 - 250 applications by the December 1 deadline. To our surprise, packages began to arrive in droves, and eventually in wheelbarrow-loads from the mailroom. In all, we received submissions from 637 candidates.

As each complete application contained a cover letter, CV, letters of recommendation, teaching portfolio and writing sample, the number of storage boxes required to contain them all gradually swelled to more than 30, stacked five or six high against a wall.

This posed a major filing challenge since less well-organized applicants sent in their materials in dribs and drabs. Hundreds of letters of recommendation not bundled with applications had to be opened, tallied and filed. At times, six boxes had to be displaced to file one piece of paper. It became a common sight to behold members of our search committee trundling half a dozen boxes to their offices on handcarts so they could keep up with the incoming deluge.

My own workflow entailed opening every package and letter and updating an Excel spreadsheet with the name and e-mail address of each applicant, date the application was received, status of application (complete or missing components) and date(s) of emails sent to applicants acknowledging receipt, completeness and so forth.

On the soft copy front, I received and responded to dozens of e-mails from applicants and prospective applicants who managed to ask every conceivable (and quite a few inconceivable) questions. One FAQ involved timing: We required the Ph.D. in-hand by September 2009 (as stated in our job ad), but many prospective applicants asked if that date could be deferred. It could not. Some applicants submitted as many as five writing samples (we requested one), and asked if we could read them all and select "the best." We could not. Oddly if truly, some European applicants claimed it was impossible to solicit three letters of recommendation (as we requested) from European professors, and asked if we could make do with just one. We could not. The most forlorn hopes: Some applicants held Ph.D.'s in fields other than philosophy, but asked to be considered for the position in any case. Their chances were slim-to-none. Needless to say, this “bookkeeping” process, along with a rash of "pen pals," occupied quite a few evenings and weekends.

Beyond that, each of the five committee members – three philosophers and two historians – devoted considerable hours to reading the CVs, recommendations and, most importantly, the writing samples – mainly published papers, book chapters or works in progress. While the sheer volume of reading deprived us of the leisure to contemplate each and every writing sample as deeply as we might have liked, overall we got a very good sense of what the next generation of philosophers is up to.

The committee’s next task was to compile a “long list” of applicants to interview at the upcoming American Philosophical Association (APA) Eastern Division annual meeting. We had less than four weeks to identify and notify the candidates we wanted to meet with in time for the event, held December 27–30 in Philadelphia.

This gathering, known somewhat sardonically as the “meat market,” is where most preliminary interviews are held. Picture a hotel ballroom filled with dozens of numbered tables. Around each table sits a subcommittee of philosophers from a given institution waiting to meet with their “long list” of candidates.

From 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. each day a veritable river of candidates flows into this daunting arena. Interviews last 30 minutes to an hour, and each candidate knows that he or she has a brief opportunity to impress the interviewers sufficiently to make the “short list” and be invited to campus for the final competition. Three of our five committee members attended the 2008 APA meeting to meet with our long list of 27 candidates: 19 interviewees and 8 “stand-bys.” The stand-bys had agreed to be on call, just in case any of the 19 interviewees canceled or failed to show up. In fact, all 19 appeared as scheduled.

How did we prune our field from 637 to 27? An important selection criterion was holding a Ph.D. from a good university. Members of our department earned their Ph.D.s at Columbia, Harvard, Oxford, and University of London. Additionally, City College is known as the “Harvard of the Proletariat,” with distinguished alumni that include nine Nobel Laureates, more than any other public institution in America. Our faculty members are expected to live up to this legacy.

A second criterion was research and publication. We looked not only for quality and promise of quantity, but also for originality. Creativity and individuality are assets for philosophers. We did not want candidates who merely parroted back what they had been taught at graduate school.

Third, we needed evidence of undergraduate teaching ability as well as versatility. We offer a broad range of electives to a diverse student body; a narrow focus does not serve our pedagogic needs well. Most applicants submitted extensive teaching portfolios including syllabuses, reading lists, student evaluations, and observations by senior professors. We looked for evidence of outstanding teaching ability, variety, and potential for curriculum development.

Finally, we wanted evidence of administrative service. Ideally, the candidate would also possess some ability to raise research funds, although this is not too prevalent among philosophers. Even so, a good many applicants had raised funds: either minimally in the form of postdoctoral fellowships, more broadly for organizing conferences, or most notably for research projects (either solo or collaborative).

Without collusion, each search committee member drew up a list of two to three dozen top picks. Then we met and compared notes. Because the committee members had wide-ranging expertise, we expected and realized a fairly broad dispersion of preferences during our initial screening. Such dispersion was desirable, since it decreased the likelihood that any truly worthy candidate would escape notice.

As it happened, the committee discovered significant overlap of preference for 27 applicants, 19 of them in particular. We resolved to interview these candidates in Philadelphia and arranged half-hour meetings with them over two consecutive days.

Most of the candidates we interviewed were quite impressive; only a few appeared better on paper than in the flesh. By the same token, we probably failed to long-list some exemplary applicants who had appeared less impressive on paper. No net catches every fish.

We attained consensus on six finalists whom we invited to campus in February 2009. They ran a gauntlet of meetings, and each one had to give a “guest lecture” for an undergraduate course in progress – as opposed to reading a paper in a departmental colloquium. We knew they could all read and write well enough, or they wouldn’t have been finalists.

Now we had to find out whether they could teach at CCNY, where we have students from 150 countries, immersed moreover in the ethos of the Big Apple. New York City can be an attractive place for aspiring young philosophers, but it’s a complex and challenging megalopolis, not particularly well suited to the faint-hearted, mild-mannered, thin-skinned or weak-willed. CCNY's student body is older and more diverse than average; juggles academic, familial and bread-winning roles more than average, and is far more "street-wise" than average. Manhattan has celebrities, egomaniacs and con artists on every corner; professors need some "personality" to compete for students' attentions.

On top of this, American education is affected by two significant trends: First, as of this year, and unprecedented in human history, more than half the world's people live in cities; second, America’s indigenous youth are increasingly post-literate, having been acculturated predominantly via visual and digital traditions that have supplanted the written one.

So we parachuted our six finalists into classrooms, having afforded them prep time and topics for their various guest-lectures. The search committee sat in of course, inscrutably observing the proceedings.

All the finalists were impeccably well versed in their subjects matter, but not all succeeded in establishing rapport with the students. One lectured remotely, as if from afar; another failed to engage them in dialogue; a third took insufficient account of whether the class was grasping the material.

Some lectured clearly and evocatively, encouraged and fielded questions on the fly, bridged gaps in students' understanding by providing additional context where necessary, and covered the material in the allotted time. The best finalists attracted a throng of students after the lecture, having whetted appetites for further learning. The top two bundled humor with their lectures or slides, which palpably enhanced the ambiance and helped establish rapport. "Edutainment" is an American neologism, after all.

As our dean of humanities, Fred Reynolds, began to meet the finalists, he seemed increasingly impressed with them. He asked me jocularly “However are you going to choose the best among them?” I replied that he could greatly simplify our task by hiring them all.

In any event, we achieved consensus in ranking our six finalists. While they had all interviewed brilliantly in Philadelphia, the “acid test” of the campus visit in some cases corroded their luster in the classroom or revealed mismatches with our student-body or institutional culture. Other finalists rose to the occasion, performing convincingly if not flawlessly.

A question we asked each of them pertained to CCNY itself: “What do you know about City College’s history and mission?” Any finalist worth his or her salt does some research on the institution (and its faculty) that invites them to campus. Some of our finalists had anticipated this question and were well prepared to answer it. This certainly counted in their favor. Also important were the kinds of questions they asked us. For example, only one finalist inquired whether we had an undergraduate philosophy club. This, among other things, raised his standing.

Not long after handing our final rankings to Dean Reynolds, he called me into his office. He informed me that the abundant fruits of our search, and the energy we had invested in it, had not escaped the notice of our senior administration. Prudentially, I recalled the second of three infamous Chinese curses: “May the government be aware of you.” But this time it was a blessing.

Dean Reynolds and Provost Zeev Dagan, alike, perceived this search as a unique opportunity to strengthen our department and the college with the pick of a bumper crop of promising young philosophers. The dean had obtained the provost’s approval and the support of President Gregory H. Williams to hire not one, but two of our finalists.

So this part of the saga has a happy ending, indeed, because our top two finalists both accepted offers and will be joining us this September 2009. They are Darren Bradley, and Christy Mag Uidhir. Darren earned a B.Sc. at the London School of Economics and Political Science, an M.A. at University College London, and a Ph.D. at Stanford University. His specialties include epistemology and philosophy of language; competencies, philosophy of science, and of mind. Christy earned a B.A. at Texas Christian University, an M.A. at Brown University, and a Ph.D. at Rutgers University. His specialties include philosophy of art and aesthetics; competencies, metaphysics and ethics. We welcome them warmly.

In retrospect, it is clear that the success of our search depended vitally on three factors. First, there was a tremendous talent pool from which to draw. Given sufficient time and resources, we would have interviewed our entire long list of 27.

Second, our search committee was a paragon of industry and cooperativeness, completely unsaddled with the kinds of unprofessional baggage that so often results in dysfunction and counter-productivity in academic settings. Philosophers Jeff Blustein and Michael Levin, and historians Danian Hu and Darren Staloff, worked diligently and well together, making the process enjoyable rather than merely dutiful.

Third, we were beneficiaries of an enlightened administration that is committed to the humanities, which approved and funded the search and did not blink in the face of the economic crunch. Rather, it seized an opportunity to hire two outstanding prospects instead of only one.

I close with two observations: one personal; the other professional. Personally, this process brought me “full circle.” I had gone through it as a candidate during 1993-4, and won the competition, albeit with fewer competitors, that landed me at CCNY. Chairing this search in 2008-9 not only reminded me of the inexorable turning of time’s wheel, but granted me fulfillment by being able to facilitate for others a process from which I had derived immeasurable benefit. It was a kind of payback to my colleagues, my department and the college.

Second and professionally speaking: Although we were privileged to obtain two hires, I feel a deep and abiding sorrow that so many dozens – indeed, hundreds – of talented and promising young philosophers will not be hired by anyone.

Philosophy remains arguably the most difficult and demanding subject in the humanities. It develops and hones intellectual, critical and analytical skills, partly for their own sakes and partly for application to wide-ranging matters.

While philosophy is an excellent component of preparation for a variety of non-philosophical careers – from law to medicine, from journalism to international affairs – philosophy also has intrinsic as well as instrumental values that are, at present, grossly underutilized by our society and unrecognized by far too many philosophy departments themselves.

Many of our finest young minds are being educated by departments and institutions whose myopic “vision” of philosophy limits young philosophers to becoming permanently institutionalized in the academy . They are insufficiently versed in the myriad ways in which philosophy can be usefully applied outside the groves of academe.

Universities educate and graduate professionals of every conceivable kind, who render invaluable professional services outside the academy – with the noteworthy exception of philosophers. The American Philosophical Practitioners Association (APPA), which I co-founded in 1999, is working to remedy that exception. It trains and certifies philosophers to render professional services to individuals, groups and organizations worldwide. APPA’s mission is to see many more of our brightest young minds pursuing professional careers as philosophers, both inside and outside academe. And it is my unwavering aspiration to see our society and culture benefit from having many more philosophers working productively and far fewer languishing wastefully.

Lou Marinoff is chair of philosophy at City College of New York and founding president of the American Philosophical Practitioners Association.

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  • Diversity???
  • Posted by Hoosier Prof on August 31, 2009 at 9:15am EDT
  • I began to read this column with amusement and sympathy, since I am also sitting on a search committee where we are experiencing a similar embarassment of riches. But as I continued to read, my mood changed. Perhaps it was the point at which Prof. Marinoff admits weeding out candidates who are not from the right schools. Or perhaps it was the absence of even a passing reference to diversity. In the end, a philosophy department with four white men has succeeded in hiring -- TA-DA! -- two more. Pardon me if I am less than impressed with their diligence.

  • Depressingly familiar
  • Posted by queenofthejungle on August 31, 2009 at 9:45am EDT
  • Sounds like what I experienced on the other end of the table, as an English Literature Ph.D. on the job market in the late 1990s. "You are one of more than 500 qualified applicants for this position!" Unfortunately, I got my degree at an institution that had strong faculty in my area of specialization and that gave me a substantial financial aid package. Since so many institutions, like the one described here, make their "first cut" based on alma mater rather than anything else, I, like my graduating peers at the same institution, never even got to the interview stage. This is probably a good argument for shutting down all humanities graduate programs, except for the ones at Ivy Leagues and other "good universities."

  • Failure of rigorous thought
  • Posted by Historical observer on August 31, 2009 at 10:15am EDT
  • I think it's a great service to demystify the search process. But like other responders, I was stunned by Marnoff's assumption that the best philosophers went to the "best" schools. I realize that when you have 600 applicants, you have to find a screen, but this is ridiculous. It's particularly ironic that towards the end of the search, when they consider the CCNY culture and student body, several of their brilliant people flamed out. Perhaps -- just perhaps -- if they had looked at applicants from other than elite institutions they might have found brilliant scholars whose profile MATCHED that of their students. Older students, for instance, frequently pursue a Ph.D. not in the "best" place, but near where they live. This is especially true of older women. Students whose backgrounds are less traditional often go where the money is, which may not be the "best" department.

    It's sad that a philosopher, who prides himself on his discipline's rigorous habits of mind, "intellectual, critical, and analytical skills" did not apply those habits to the social construction of the academy and his own field of study.

  • Are we surprised?
  • Posted by Hmmmmm on August 31, 2009 at 11:15am EDT
  • In a way, it's kind of refreshing that someone running a search actually admits that "good schools" was one of the criteria. The only thing the really surprised me was that it was the first criteria, but even that shouldn't be surprising. Anyone who has ever been involved in a search, from either side, knows this is the case, though it is rarely put forward so blatantly. It is a very bad criteria, and it's disheartening that schools continue to use it, but I now tell students interested in pursuing Phd work in the Humanities not to bother unless they can get admitted to a "top school," because they simply won't get a job without that kind of credential.

    On the other hand, from the perspective of the search committee, these complaints are irrelevant. The pool of applicants is so large that any criteria used to weed out the field, no matter how arbitrary or random ("we'll only interview candidates who like fried okra!"), will still produce a stellar list of finalists. We're quickly reaching the place where even an Ivy League degree won't be enough to help make the first cut in a job search.

  • Posted by Emma on August 31, 2009 at 11:30am EDT
  • We could berate the author all day (for being honest about how things really work?), but let this article serve as a warning to potential doctoral students in philosophy: Supply greatly exceeds demand. If you want a faculty job and you don't get into a name school, don't waste your time and money. Period.

  • Not So
  • Posted by cts on August 31, 2009 at 12:30pm EDT
  • Wonderful: another anecdote to prove to all those young philosophers that it is the 'name' of their graduate program that is the first criterion for employment.

    And yet, at many schools, we look first at teaching, then at written work [or promise], then at what kind of person we might be working with. Does the pedigree matter at all? Sure, but only as a minor consideration.

  • Status quo
  • Posted by Former Professor on August 31, 2009 at 2:30pm EDT
  • Wow, you guys were very original in your search. Male professors with Ph.D.s from prestigious institutions hiring other males with Ph.D.s from prestigious institutions? How on earth did you find the strength to break away from the mold? (dripping with SARCASM) Such bravery.

    OK, now as a former faculty member who participated in numerous searches, screening by quality of PhD program is the norm, even if you only have 90-100 candidates. I think there's a larger discussion that needs to happen in philosophy concerning the need for so many graduate programs. If 0.3% of applicants get hired (or even 5%) in a given year, philosophy PhD programs are doing their students a REAL disservice.

  • Posted by monboddo on August 31, 2009 at 8:15pm EDT
  • Prof. Marinoff--I am sure you did your best to hire the best available philosophers, but I'll echo some other comments: what's the deal with only looking at graduates of "a good university"? I am left thinking of dozens if not hundreds of applicants who spent a lot of time, and some money, putting together an application packet, trusting or hoping that they would be treated fairly by a hiring committee, and never getting a chance because their schools weren't good enough (by what standard? top 5? top 20?). Right now some applicants for the job are reading this article, and thinking they were suckered. And they're right.

  • Inconsiderate to applicants
  • Posted by Ken D. on August 31, 2009 at 10:15pm EDT
  • Ditto Monboddo.

    The search process was structured in a manner very inconsiderate to the large pool of applicants, unnecessarily wasting a great deal of time for the many applicants with little chance of being seriously considered. The search process should have been made more transparent.

    One is reminded of the following observation by Santayana:

    "If philosophers must earn their living and not beg (which some of them have thought more consonant with their vocation), it would be safer for them to polish lenses like Spinoza, or to sit in a black skull-cap and white beard at the door of some unfrequented museum, selling the catalogues and taking in the umbrellas; these innocent ways of earning their breadcard in the future republic would not prejudice their meditations and would keep their eyes fixed, without undue affection, on a characteristic bit of that real world which it is their business to understand."

  • Posted by A Student on September 1, 2009 at 5:15am EDT
  • As a graduate student who will soon be seeking employment I appreciate this author's honest description of the hiring process. To the commentators who question the "need for so many graduate programs" or who tell students not to bother getting a PhD in philosophy unless they get into a top institution, perhaps you ought to consider for a moment why anyone should seriously study philosophy in the first place. Hint: It isn't to become a good wage earner.

  • Posted by Mike on September 1, 2009 at 5:15am EDT
  • I take mondboddo's and Ken D.'s point. But on the other hand, having come from a non-top-5 humanities-field program myself, I'll confess I self-selected out of applying for certain jobs that I knew were seriously long shots. E.g., there were jobs in my field at Princeton and Stanford the year I defended.

    There are two ways to look at my decision not to apply for these jobs: on the one hand, you could say that I took the strong likelihood of not even getting an interview and converted it into a certainty; on the other hand, you could say I didn't waste my time on lottery ticket odds and instead concentrated on getting the "gettable job".

    As long as the prestige factor is central to the rankings process, it will always be likely that a successful entry-level candidate for a position in a top or aspiring department will have to come from a program that is more highly ranked than the one he/ she is trying to join. That is not because most people think it's impossible to find top-quality people from "lower-ranked" departments; but it's because the label is itself one of the qualifications that such a department is likely interested in. I don't think this is a great secret, and thus I would suggest so far as the "wasting a great deal of time for the many applicants with little chance of being seriously considered" is concerned, many of the applicants knew good and well they were wasting their time, but did so anyway.

  • On occasion it works the other way
  • Posted on September 1, 2009 at 8:30am EDT
  • I learned in my job search that there are plenty of places where an Ivy degree is the kiss of death.

  • Posted , Assistant Prof on September 1, 2009 at 10:45am EDT
  • I think that people are being unfair here. The quality of one's graduate university is a good measure of general academic quality and I think appropriate as a screening device. Also there are mistaken generalizations here. Emma's point that "if you want a faculty job and you don't get into a name school, don't waste your time and money" is misguided advice. Maybe in this job search things worked out that way; but there are plenty of philosophers working in top and mid-range schools who didn't go to Ivy League schools as graduate students. This isn't the easiest route into the profession, but it's not impossible. People are forgetting that this job was in NY City and hence very competitive for this location. We should not generalize to the entire field.

  • Top universities--how sad
  • Posted by Anon. , Assistant Professor on September 1, 2009 at 11:00am EDT
  • I can only re-emphasize my disgust at reading that "an important selection criterion was holding a Ph.D. from a good university." I have seen horrible candidates from good universities, and know some excellent people from what would be considered second-rank universities. Some people do not go to the perceived top universities for some very good reasons. As far as I'm concerned, the individual quality of a program and of a supervisor is more important than the overall quality of the university. I have been on five hiring committees and at no time have I let the degree granting institution affect my decisions. There were always many other better criteria.

  • "Good University" vs. "Good Department"
  • Posted by Jay , Philosophy Professor at Midwestern University on September 1, 2009 at 11:00am EDT
  • Some of the commentators here seem very eager to misinterpret to satisfy antecedent prejudices. Clearly and obviously, Prof. Marinoff did not mean "Ivy League University" by "Good University", since neither of the two hires came from Ivy League Universities. Presumably, what was meant was "a university with a first rate philosophy department", as Rutgers and to a lesser extent Stanford are. Furthermore, the fact that one of the hires did their PhD at a state university with a diverse undergraduate population presumably made them more familiar with CCNY's undergraduate student population, and made them as a result a better teacher in that environment (that hire also received a BA from Texas Christian University - hardly a bastion of elite power). The department at CCNY should be lauded for taking such factors into account, rather than used to further whatever antecedent prejudices various commentators have.

  • Two points no one else mentioned
  • Posted by Not a philosopher on September 1, 2009 at 11:00am EDT
  • I think it is grossly inconsiderate to require applicants to request letters of support from their references before they have been shortlisted.

    Secondly, besides the "pedigree" of the person's degrees, I think it is myopic for a department of philosophy of all things to rule out candidates whose doctorate is not in philosophy. I can think of a number of programs that could produce real philosophers, such as history of consciousness at UC Santa Cruz, not to mention individualized or interdisciplinary doctorates. Similarly, deparments of political science and religious studies frequently are the breeding grounds of philosophers.

  • Posted , Assistant Professor on September 1, 2009 at 11:45am EDT
  • I agree with Not a Philosopher that asking all applicants to submit letters before being shortlisted seems burdensome.

    But the second point is completely misguided. Why would it be myopic for a philosophy department "of all things" to rule out candidates whose doctorate is not in philosophy? High-level, quality work in philosophy takes years of training in the history of philosophy, ethics, logic, and various subdisciplines of the field, with focused work on some of the most difficult texts produced in Western society. I expect the same focus is true of many disciplines at the university. Why would philosophy be any different? It is also wrong that political science and religious studies produce many philosophers; as far as I know, those programs may hire philosophers but not the other way around.

  • Posted by Jonathan Livengood on September 1, 2009 at 3:00pm EDT
  • Does anyone have data on the correlation between "eliteness of graduating department" (incidentally, how is this measured -- Leiter ranking?) and whatever more meaningful employment criteria (quality of research, productivity, teaching ability, etc.) are of interest? If the correlation is high, then it is simply a good search practice to use a simple, easily identified property of applicants to thin the pool for closer scrutiny. If the correlation is low, then maybe we should rethink what it means to be an elite philosophy program or rethink philosophy education altogether.

  • Posted by steve on September 1, 2009 at 3:00pm EDT
  • Some of the comments here seem to reflect the opinion of those who have never been on a search committee. Selecting 20 or 30 top candidates from 600 or so applicants is necessarily going to involve some injustice. Selecting on the basis of department/university quality is as good a measure as any.

  • Posted by Sue G on September 1, 2009 at 4:00pm EDT
  • Such extensive application packets strike me as unnecessarily burdensome--for both applicants and search committees--when the applicant pool exceeds 600. Is anything more than cover letter + CV really necessary for a long list? It's hard not to conclude that we're all wasting time, money, and other resources doing it this way. Not to mention that search committee members risk throwing out their backs sorting and lifting all those file boxes!

  • Posted by Tim on September 1, 2009 at 4:00pm EDT
  • "An important selection criterion was holding a Ph.D. from a good university. Members of our department earned their Ph.D.s at Columbia, Harvard, Oxford, and University of London. Additionally, City College is known as the “Harvard of the Proletariat,” with distinguished alumni that include nine Nobel Laureates, more than any other public institution in America. Our faculty members are expected to live up to this legacy."

    Fair enough, but as at least one commenter has pointed out already, this pedigree business works both ways. The chair of the search committee at my university, which is certainly not elite, yet offers a generous compensation package, told me that they weeded the people with PhD's from very good schools out first (mine is from a more middle-of-the-road place). Part of the reasoning for this was the perceived arrogance on the part of elite canditates towards schools like ours--a perception which I think is formed largely in reaction to statements like the author's above. So assuming that all candidates from elite programs can't get jobs at places like CUNY, and that with the nature of the market now they might even be quite satisfied with a job like mine, the sort of practice the author publicly condones for weeding out candidates could actually hurt their chances at doing so in favor of non-elite types like me.

  • let's be realistic
  • Posted by Kevin , Philosophy on September 1, 2009 at 4:15pm EDT
  • I think some people who complain about the criteria being used here are not being realistic. From the sounds of it, each member of the search committee read all the files. They probably had about a month to do this. They had to do all this on top of their usual teaching and administrative duties. And they had over 600 applicants. Given this all, how much time is a committee member likely to spend with each dossier on the first pass? The answer is probably, on average, less than 5 minutes. You can complain all you want about how unfair this is, but this is simply a mathematical fact - you way as well complain about how unfair it is that the number 7 is prime.

    Now, given only 5 minutes (on average) to look at a dossier, what are you going to look for? Here's the reality - you are going to skim the letters, the CV, and do a very quick skim (at best) of the writing sample. You are not going to be doing a deep reading of the writing sample. Here, strong letters of recommendation, institutional name recognition, and a paper whose first page or two states very clearly what the main thesis is and how it is going to be argued for are all -essential-. At this stage, you are looking for excuses to eliminate dossiers, and even the smallest excuse will do.

    The reality, then, is that if you want to apply for highly competitive jobs in philosophy, you will need to come from a good school and have stellar letters. I don't know that this is so much reflective of some sort of bias in the system as it is reflective of the reality of the massive work involved in a job search. Of course, not everyone aims for a 'stellar' job. And perhaps in a job with a much more narrowly defined AOS, and therefore with fewer applicants, committee members will be able to give more time to each dossier, in such a way that people from less stellar institutions might have a chance.

    But as other people have said, there is a reality here - if you are hoping for a stellar job (at a top 30 or so school), and you don't come from an outstanding institution and have very strong letters, your chances are very slim. I suppose I shouldn't say zero, but very slim still almost sounds too generous to me. Of course, most philosophy jobs -don't- involve being at a top 30 institution. And many job advertisements will attract far less than 600 applicatants. But still, before complaining about the way job searches are performed in the case of extremely desirable jobs, think about the cold hard realities I've outlined above.

  • in other fields...
  • Posted by Michael on September 1, 2009 at 4:45pm EDT
  • I am concerned that graduate students from other disciplines will read this and think that philosophy is the norm. In fact, philosophy is notoriously hierarchical among the fields in the humanities. Professors of philosophy care much more about pedigree than most other humanistic disciplines. I have been on several search committees in literary studies, and we talked about the quality of the dissertation first, and then after the interview about how we imagined the candidate as a teacher and colleague. Letterhead matters less and less, I think.

  • A "Good University"
  • Posted by Trevor on September 1, 2009 at 5:15pm EDT
  • I have to confess that I was depressed by the following admission:

    "How did we prune our field from 637 to 27? An important selection criterion was holding a Ph.D. from a good university."

    It's not surprising that not one of the examples of a "good university" is a public school. The class bias of this process of pruning applications is extreme, and troubling.

  • Fair enough
  • Posted by a on September 1, 2009 at 5:15pm EDT
  • "Selecting on the basis of department/university quality is as good a measure as any."

    I disagree, but fair enough. I would simply point out that the committee should have been more upfront in their ad and have said something like, "Only those from a good university need apply," to stop many candidates (and those supporting the candidates) from wasting their time.

  • Posted by Jonathan Livengood on September 1, 2009 at 7:00pm EDT
  • Trevor,

    Rutgers is a public university. There is very little doubt that the University of Michigan also counted as elite, and I would be surprised if the University of North Carolina--Chapel Hill and UCLA weren't also considered elite with respect to their job search.

  • Posted by Duncan on September 1, 2009 at 7:00pm EDT
  • In response to Trevor above: I don't think any examples of "good universdities" are given explicitly. It is implied that Columbia, Harvard, Oxford, and London are good universities (and they are). Of these, Oxford and London are both public.

  • Pedigree
  • Posted by A philosopher with no pedigree on September 2, 2009 at 5:30am EDT
  • "I think that people are being unfair here. The quality of one's graduate university is a good measure of general academic quality and I think appropriate as a screening device."

    It might be a good measure of general academic quality, but is it the best available? I doubt it. Presumably, people want good colleagues who can teach and can do great research. While the quality of a graduate university is a good way to measure these sorts of things, a better way to measure these sorts of things is to look at someone's publication record and teaching portfolio. I don't think people are being unfair.

    Full disclosure. I was one of the applicants that did not receive an interview. I have no pedigree. I won't say that I was more deserving of an interview than anyone that they chose to interview. I am discouraged, however, because I think that I have a better publication record than many philosophers without tenure (and many that have landed jobs that I can't get interviews for) and have received recognition for my teaching. I've been on the market for more than a few years now and can say that I've managed to land five interviews during that time.

  • Posted by Clayton on September 2, 2009 at 5:30am EDT
  • "Selecting on the basis of department/university quality is as good a measure as any."

    No. Wrong. False. Not true. For research schools, selecting on basis of publications is a better measure.

  • Posted by jerry , student at small school on September 2, 2009 at 5:30am EDT
  • As an undergraduate in the process of putting together my applications for graduate school I found this article very useful.  Before I spend 6-8 more years of my life studying and writing I know that there is a choice: get into an elite university and have a small chance at getting a job or go to the local state university and graduate with a minimum amount of debt and almost no chance of a career in (academic) philosophy. Fair enough. It is worth the risk.

  • Reputation and signaling as most important!
  • Posted by Post-doc on September 2, 2009 at 6:00am EDT
  • What is really astounding about having 'good universities' as the most important criterion for hiring purposes is that the author really appears to be defending the criterion in terms of reputation, "Our faculty members are expected to live up to this legacy," as opposed to quality.

    The actual focus, resources and time dedicated to ensuring that graduate students produce quality dissertations and learn to be good teachers is not strongly correlated to the reputation a university has. In a great many cases it is the "second class" universities where PhD candidates are treated and expected to preform as fellow researchers and teachers, while at the brand name universities they are treated not as genuine colleagues but as students somewhat on the periphery of the department.

  • Posted by dc on September 2, 2009 at 8:45am EDT
  • Clayton - so let me get this straight: the hiring committee is supposed to read the publications from all the applicants in order to whittle 600 down to 30? Not likely.

  • Posted by quality not pedigree on September 2, 2009 at 9:00am EDT
  • Publications should trump pedigree everytime. If someone does not come from a top department but manages to publish in excellent journals, isn't it clear that s/he is really talented?

  • Posted by sv on September 2, 2009 at 9:30am EDT
  • quality not pedigree - you're just substituting the prestige of a journal for that of an institution. Same difference.

  • Posted by Clayton on September 2, 2009 at 11:15am EDT
  • "Clayton - so let me get this straight: the hiring committee is supposed to read the publications from all the applicants in order to whittle 600 down to 30? Not likely."

    Yes, that's a bad idea. In fact, that's a terrible idea! It's such a bad idea, I wonder if anyone ever had that idea...

    Instead of reading each of the publications, you could read to see which candidates have publications and read where these candidates have published. Typically, that's on the front page of the CV. On my CV, it is the line under the line that says where I did my graduate work. It would take work to see that I received my degree from Nebraska and not notice that I've published, what I've published, and where I've published.

    sv, "you're just substituting the prestige of a journal for that of an institution. Same difference."

    One measures how good you are at getting papers accepted by your peers after graduate work and some years maturing in the market. The other is an indication of how good you were competing for spots in graduate school against other undergraduates. What do you mean by "same difference"? Do you think that they are equally good measures of the same thing? That seems like an empirical claim. Got evidence?

  • Posted by Andrew Moon on September 2, 2009 at 2:45pm EDT
  • Clayton, I agree that how good you are at getting papers accepted by your peers is more important than how good you were at competing for spots in graduate school over other undergraduates. Add the fact that in the former, success is determined by blind review, and in the latter, success is, once again, significantly determined by where you got your undergraduate education.

  • Time to modernize the application process
  • Posted by Graham , Professor, Philosophy at University of Colorado at Boulder on September 2, 2009 at 3:30pm EDT
  • What struck me is the sheer clumsiness of the application process. At my institution all applicants submit their materials electronically, and the website keeps track of whether the application is complete etc. Everyone on the search committee has access to the site and can easily view materials at any time. But we need to go one step further. Like Law Schools we need to develop a common electronic repository of applicants and their materials (with CVs, letters etc in a fairly standardized format) that is accessible to all potential employers. Having 600 poor graduate students send out 50 files apiece is a stupid waste of time and money.

  • Posted by David r on September 2, 2009 at 3:30pm EDT
  • To 'Let's be realistic'--

    I agree that it is unrealistic to expect that hiring committees won't take into account certain (somewhat superficial) aspects of an application that help them reduce the pool to a manageable size. However, it is unfair to say that people who complain about this 'may as well complain about how unfair it is that the number 7 is prime.' Given the current structure of most academic hiring processes, strategies such as relying on pedigree are inevitable. However, the structures that necessitate such short-cuts are not an immutable part of reality (the way the set of prime numbers is). They can be altered, and in the case that they lead to unfair practices, they ought to be altered. Universities can take certain measures to assure that faculty members have enough time to give each application a fair look (e.g. they could give the members of the search committee a reduced course load by hiring more adjuncts for a semester). Demanding that such measures (or ones that achieve a similar end) be taken is not at all unrealistic.

  • Posted by 1/637 on September 2, 2009 at 5:15pm EDT
  • as I understand it, the trouble with utilizing publications instead of pedigree in shortlising candidates for junior posts is that grad students at top departments are discouraged from publishing - at least in philosophy

    the result being that if you've got a good publications record coming out of an avarage place you cant compete with someone with no publications coming out of a top-ranked dept, cause the absence of publications wont count against them

  • Posted by Clayton on September 2, 2009 at 8:45pm EDT
  • "as I understand it, the trouble with utilizing publications instead of pedigree in shortlising candidates for junior posts is that grad students at top departments are discouraged from publishing - at least in philosophy

    the result being that if you've got a good publications record coming out of an avarage place you cant compete with someone with no publications coming out of a top-ranked dept, cause the absence of publications wont count against them"

    I've heard that before and I've heard it said before that that's not true. I know that there are people from top places (e.g., NYU and Rutgers) that do graduate with publications, so it's either not always advice given or it's not always advice followed. I don't think this attitude should be encouraged. If I were on a search committee, I'd prefer someone who has a known record of publication to someone who doesn't have that. If the rest of us have to suffer through badly paid temporary positions with heavy teaching loads that we have to publish our ways out of, why should people from fancy degrees be spared this?

  • research and pedigree
  • Posted by Magdalena , Philosophy at European University on September 3, 2009 at 6:30am EDT
  • I agree with Clayton above - it is wiser to give more weight to the publication record than to the pedigree. After all, why is the name of the alma mater important? Isn't it because it can be used as a predictor of future performance?
    But now, which is a better predictor: the name of the alma matter or the actual academic performance in the form of peer-reviewed publications?

    Consider this: if you are looking for the best writer or commupter programmer, what would you give more weight to- his work or the name of the school where he got his degree from?
    And what is different in the case of philosophy?

  • Posted by Antony Eagle on September 3, 2009 at 7:45am EDT
  • Lots of comments seem to assume that 'pedigree' can't be a useful proxy for candidate quality. An argument is offered for this conclusion: that one's graduate institution indicates only how 'good you were at competing for spots in graduate school over other undergraduates' (Andrew Moon), and this is not a good measure of quality. This seems to ignore the obvious fact that some departments just are better at training graduate students, inculcating demanding standards in clarity and rigor. Philosophical ability may be partly innate, but the traits and habits of good philosophers can be taught and students can surely improve their own talent by diligent work in a good environment. Even if all students at all graduate programs are equally good on entry to their respective programs, this difference in the quality of training, correlated (though not perfectly) with faculty quality, will make a significant difference at the end of their degrees.

    This seems to me a very good reason for using one's judgement of the quality of a philosophy program—quality in the sense of training young philosophers to a high standard—to screen applicants at an early stage. To do so indicates that the committee members believe, quite rightly, that philosophers are made not born, and that good programs can make good philosophers even out of students whose native talent is not exceptional. The romantic vision many commentators seem to have, of the brilliant raw talent at a poor school who is locked out of the hiring process because of their background, just seems to me to neglect the fact that candidates from poor programs, whatever their native ability, haven't been trained as well, and are ceteris paribus just much less likely to be polished mature philosophers.

    There may of course be residual injustice in this process, if success in getting into a good program is systematically biased. It may well be. Or someone may object to the particular conception of 'good philosophical training' involved, preferring for theoretical reasons some other standards. Fine: that just shows that person's standards aren't the standards of the department in question. Neither of these observations change the fact that this department did a sensible and defensible thing in their hiring process (by their own lights, of course—but whose should we expect them to use?).

  • Posted by quality not pedigree on September 3, 2009 at 9:15am EDT
  • Antony Eagle says: "candidates from poor programs, whatever their native ability, haven't been trained as well, and are ceteris paribus just much less likely to be polished mature philosophers." Yes, but other things are not always equal. If you are considering applicants A and B, A went to a top school but has no publications and B went to a poor school but has brilliant publications, would it be reasonable to add A to the list of those who may be interviewed while dumping B's file simply because of the school B went to? If doing this would be unreasonable, and it seems obvious that it would, then it is clear that school pedigree should not be a necessary condition for making the cut when screening applications. It is just a consideration to be weighed against others, and it should be trumped in cases involving people like B.

  • Posted by Michael Kremer , Professor/Philosophy at University of Chicago on September 3, 2009 at 10:30am EDT
  • It seems to be assumed by many commenters here that publications in good journals = good publications (or even "brilliant"), so that to judge a candidate's publication record one has only to look at their CV.

    In fact, as we all surely know, there is a wide range in the quality, originality, and significance of what is published in even the "best" journals. There is simply no substitute for actually reading the work -- published or (as yet) unpublished. Many's the time I've been confronted with a very impressive CV of a job candidate, and then, based on the actual reading of the work, recommended that the file be set aside. Equally, many's the time I've seen over-the-top letters of reference from top schools, and been disappointed with the writing, leading me to reject the candidate.

    But there is not time to actually read the work of every applicant carefully. So the question remains how to whittle down the list of applicants to a manageable set, such that each remaining candidate's work can get a careful reading (or better, several careful readings) in the available time. Here a variety of factors play a role. Letters of reference are very important. (Note: candidates from less highly-ranked programs always benefit from good outside letters.) The candidate's education is also an important factor. As has been pointed out, it does matter where one has been educated. However, an impressive publication record will, in my experience, also get a candidate's work read, regardless of the school where the candidate was trained. So the CV matters too, and should. But all of these factors: letters, training, publication record, should only function to get a candidate's file over the first hurdle, and to the point where their work can get serious attention.

  • Posted by Clayton on September 3, 2009 at 11:15am EDT
  • "Lots of comments seem to assume that 'pedigree' can't be a useful proxy for candidate quality. An argument is offered for this conclusion: that one's graduate institution indicates only how 'good you were at competing for spots in graduate school over other undergraduates' (Andrew Moon), and this is not a good measure of quality."

    That might be something that some assume, but that's not something that I would assume and I'm very much opposed to using pedigree in the way that Marinoff did in hiring. Pedigree can be a useful proxy for candidate quality. True! So, can publication record. Neither is perfect. I take it that one question that is of interest is this one: when pressed for time and forced to find a way to make some initial cuts, is it better to use pedigree, publications, both, or some other thing? As part of the anti-pedigree brigade, I can say that pedigree is a good proxy but that's no justification for using pedigree as your proxy when there's something better available that doesn't require a significant amount of work to use. (That's the crucial point. If you know or should have known that there was a better way of doing things, you didn't do something defensible regardless of how things looked 'by your lights'. I guess you could say that Marinoff didn't know that there was a better way of doing things because he hadn't thought about it, but shouldn't he have known that there was a better way to do things?)

    "This seems to me a very good reason for using one's judgement of the quality of a philosophy program—quality in the sense of training young philosophers to a high standard—to screen applicants at an early stage."

    Sorry, but this isn't convincing. The thing you seem to want to defend is the use of a program's prestige to make an initial cut rather than, say, publication record. I think there's a legitimate question here, which is whether a program's prestige is a good guide to the quality of training that someone will receive during graduate school. There's another legitimate question here, which is whether a program's prestige is a better guide to the quality of training that someone received than, say, that person's publication record. It just looks like you are equivocating on 'quality of a philosophy program'.

  • 'Top' Programs
  • Posted by cts on September 3, 2009 at 12:45pm EDT
  • One matter that has only been touched upon, here, is the identifying of 'top' programs. If the posters are all assuming that only 'leiteriffic' programs are top programs, we have a problem.

    Quite apart from the deficiencies of Leiter's methodology, there is the problem of a limited group self-replicating. Do we really want all philosophy programs to be populated with teachers from a handful of programs? Is this good for our discipline [much less our students]?

    I do think a search committee should consider the program from which an applicant comes, to some extent. But this does not mean we should all be using some single list of top programs. We have hired excellent faculty from what are, I suspect, not among the ill-defined 'top' programs. In some cases one or more of us knew or knew of the applicant's dissertation director, or knew that this program has a record of producing excellent philosphers in a certain subfield, or knew that graduates from that program had, recently, been just the kind of person for whom we were looking.

    A great part of my concern over this simplistic reliance on 'top' programs is that we do not have any reliable system of ranking. Rather, people seem to assume that the Leiter reports simply are the system of ranking. At the risk of being unfair, I have to say that many - not all - candidates from the leiteriffic programs whom we have interviewed have been astonishingly arrogant, philosophically narrow-minded people who thought that going on and on about their pedigree was a reasonable way to answer questions about undergraduate teaching.

    If we tell rospective graduate students that they cannot get a job unless they go to one of a handful of schools, the much greater number of undergraduate institutions will have only the disappointed graduates of those programs to hire. And, again, I do think that is good for philosophy or for future students.

  • Posted by Michael Kremer on September 3, 2009 at 12:45pm EDT
  • Clayton: I don't think you read my whole comment carefully. I did not defend using a program's prestige rather than publication record as an initial screen. Read my last paragraph again. I defended using program strength (not "prestige" -- my, and my colleagues, judgment of strength is not derived merely from what, say, the PGR reports) as an "initial screen" only in a positive sense -- that is I make sure to look further at candidates with strong letters from good programs. But I also mentioned using CV strength in the same way. That is -- strong CV means you get a more careful look, if the letters support the strength of your work, then I will be sure to read some of the writing, and judge accordingly. Similarly, strong program (even without publications) means you get a more careful look, if the letters support the strength of the work (even if unpublished), I will be sure to read some of the writing, and judge accordingly.

  • Posted by sv on September 3, 2009 at 1:00pm EDT
  • I think "pedigree" is the wrong word. It does not capture the fact that top philosophy departments will, on the whole, offer more rigorous graduate training. This is not to say that all who attend such departments will benefit accordingly, or that that motivated graduate students from less highly ranked departments will not be good candidates - (let’s face it: a very motivated student could just plant his/herself in a library and thereby become better prepared than many graduate students merely coasting along). But from one’s peers in a graduate program, to the structure of the program itself, my experience has been that top tier programs offer more (and indeed demand more).

  • Posted by Clayton Littlejohn on September 3, 2009 at 1:45pm EDT
  • Michael,

    I was not taking issue with your remarks, I was responding just to Antony. I think I pretty much agree with what you were saying. The differences between his remarks and yours are important.

  • Posted by Michael Kremer on September 3, 2009 at 3:30pm EDT
  • Sorry, Clayton. I see that I didn't read carefully enough.

  • Posted by searchveteran on September 4, 2009 at 5:15am EDT
  • I've been involved in a bunch of searches in my not terribly long academic career. I would say that my overriding impression of being on searches is that, once the seriously problematic files have been eliminated, there is a huge amount of guesswork involved. You are making a decision under uncertainty. When people make those kind of decisions, they often cling to what is familiar, what appears safer. Then, they comfort themselves by thinking they've made their choice on bedrock grounds. Even if this tendency is fishy, it would be strange not to attend to the department the candidate comes from or the fame of letter writers. But I am skeptical that department prestige should be seen as the central indicator of the candidate's ability and potential. I want to support whoever advocated actually reading the writing sample. It's incredibly time consuming but extremely revealing. (It can be difficult to judge writing samples when hiring outside one's own specialization. There, you usually do have to go by the prestige of the journal.)

    Weak letters hurt a candidate, wherever they are from. Strong letters from a department one doesn't know much about or from letter writers one hasn't heard of are a bit of a wild card. Candidates from less prestigious departments were not knocked out automatically from searches in my department but they really must have a strong publication record and an excellent writing sample. This is not because a newly minted Ph.D. from a less prestige department is necessarily worse, but because, when the evidence is scanty, it only makes sense to go on the bit of evidence you have. If the department is good, that has to be taken into account. I don't wholly buy into the idea that people from prestige departments are always better trained. Some good departments have many faculty whose interest in their own research overrides their interest in training students. Some good departments have a number of mediocre teachers. Some so-so departments have excellent philosophers who are insanely dedicated to nurturing the students they teach. Rankings focus on faculty productivity and not on pedagogy but pedagogy is still important at the graduate level. I do think that an advantage of a better department is a stronger cohort. Graduate students also train each other. My point is that it is hard to generalize. If a person is willing to set aside the deeply entrenched beliefs most can't help but have about the rigid hierarchy in academic philosophy, I think she will have to admit there is a lack of hard evidence that department teaching quality is a sure thing. We can't go by the track record of who graduates from where because the hierarchy is self-reinforcing and there are rewards to be had simply by graduating from a prestige department. I know from experience. I got a huge number of interviews and hadn't even finished my Ph.D.

    A problem in searches is that that one often has to guess about future productivity, or whether the person will do something interesting and contribute to the intellectual life of the department. Because of this, it does not make sense to me to prefer a candidate from a top department with no decisive evidence of research ability (other than letter writer's say so) over someone with a fantastic writing sample and an impressive publication record. With the latter person, there is still a bit of guesswork because the past is not a perfect predictor of the future. However, the committee has a lot more to go on with someone who is already producing good work. It doesn't make sense to me to overlook what a person has done because of an attachment to departmental prestige. Many people do this anyway.

    There are many factors to balance against one another. The only absolute killer was questionable research potential but research potential was not measured solely by the department of the candidate. We actually got this very wrong about one candidate from a top department. Some of us were doubtful of her potential and she turned around and became a bit of a star. Another interesting thing is that even the campus visits sometimes fail to be a good indicator of future success. One person we hired did much worse with students than other candidates but turned out to be completely amazing with students, probably the department's best teacher. You have to go on the evidence you have, though.

  • Thanks searchveteran
  • Posted by Post-doc on September 4, 2009 at 6:45am EDT
  • Thanks to searchveteran for that sensible assessment from an insider.

  • Posted by Antony Eagle on September 4, 2009 at 7:15am EDT
  • Clayton: I think I largely agree. I certainly don't advocate (as it seems you interpreted me as doing) using one's judgement of the quality of a candidate's training as the sole filter at an early stage. (Nor do I think one could use publication history as a sole filter, as journal 'quality' seems to be about as inconstant as the range in abilities of candidates coming from a given program—this may be a point of disagreement between us.) I just think it is rational and acceptable to use program quality as part of a bundle of measures to do an initial screening. I was intending to advocate a position like Michael Kremer's: it would be ideal if we could read everyone's work carefully, but this just isn't possible. So we use quick surrogates, in which publication record, educational background, letters, etc., all play a useful role. Perhaps I expressed myself a little more firmly in defense of program quality than accurately reflects my own views, but that was the measure being questioned by other posters.

  • Posted by Clayton Littlejohn on September 4, 2009 at 2:15pm EDT
  • Antony,

    I suppose our views are more similar than I thought initially, and I'm sorry for jumping all over you for your remarks. This is a bit of a touchy subject for me. I don't have a degree from a well-respected program. When I was applying to graduate school, no one ever said anything about the importance of departmental prestige when it comes to landing jobs and our department did not have experience sending people to do graduate work. When I asked which schools I should apply to, I was told that three programs that turned out to be unranked in the Leiter report would be great places to do work. I do think that I received exceptional training in the areas that are my areas of specialization in spite of this. I also think that I have compiled a decent research profile in spite of an unattractive 4+/semester teaching load, one that is good enough that I thought that my file wouldn't be pitched without consideration by not particularly elite programs. I was never under the illusion that Harvard would recruit me, but I never thought that the Harvard of the Proletariat would consider me beneath consideration. At any rate, I had thought you were defending the view that having pedigree is a necessary condition for considerability or that it is appropriate to proceed as if this is the case in screening applicants. I don't want to say that publications alone should serve as that screen, only to say that to ignore additional factors beyond pedigree when making initial cuts is bad for various reasons that I won't blab on about now because I'm obligated to go talk about G.E. Moore with my students.

  • What Matters
  • Posted by Interested Bystander on September 4, 2009 at 5:30pm EDT
  • From a candidate's perspective, what matters is that the process be FAIR. Using a distinguisher like the cachet of the PhD-granting institution to narrow down a search seems unfair to those lacking this sort of institutional prestige.

    What matters to a search committee is coming up with a great fit. In most cases the fairer the process it uses, the better the chance it has to succeed in this. But when there's such an overabundance of qualified candidates, it's possible to come up with a great fit without running a totally fair process. Given resource constraints, it becomes reasonable to take shortcuts and cull candidates even in somewhat arbitrary ways, knowing that there will still be a sufficient number of excellent choices left.

    Eliminating half the candidates by, say, drawing their names from a hat might in some ways have been 'fairer' than by reference to institutional credentials, but would it have made for a better process? Would eliminating those without papers in 'prestigious' journals made for a better process? Would it have made sense for CCNY to dedicate resources to allow for thousands of hours of review of all 600 candidates?

    Yes, a candidate who might have been just as good a fit as any may have never been looked at as a result of the process used. But the committee's obligation was not to preclude this sort of potential unfairness, but to use its limited resources to reasonably arrive at a top candidate.

  • Pleasantly surprised
  • Posted by Donna , Department Chair at St Louis Community College on September 5, 2009 at 11:15am EDT
  • While I agree with many points made here, I am pleasantly surprised that the final "test" was actually teaching students. Most departments I know don't really care about this. Oh, sure, they claim that they do - but teaching is not generally part of the hiring process and it plays very little role in promotion and tenure. Research is all that matters.

    For some of us, the goal was never to get to that elite university. I am one of those folks who chose a grad school close to home because of my family obligations. I had to work full-time while finishing up my program. Still, I was successful. I found a job that I love (the best job on the planet) that actually pays fairly well ---- at a community college.

    For those PhDs who really care about teaching, I recommend that you consider the community college when you're seeking a job. Here - our primary focus is our students. But it doesn't mean we have to give up our research. In fact, we can focus on what really interests us, since there is no "publish or perish" mentality.

    For those PhDs who don't really care about teaching, I hope you attended one of the top schools or that you can afford to be an independent scholar.

  • Posted by A philosopher with no pedigree on September 5, 2009 at 11:15am EDT
  • "But the committee's obligation was not to preclude this sort of potential unfairness, but to use its limited resources to reasonably arrive at a top candidate."

    I'm not sure if I buy the original point that fairness requires blinding the process to pedigree, but I certainly don't think that this is right.  No obligation to be fair?  Read that again.  No obligation to be fair.  In a market like this where there are more qualified candidates than jobs, you can be reasonably sure that any process that automatically excluded women, minorities, Christians, or vegetarians from consideration would still allow a department to hire an incredibly talented philosopher.  Still, it's obviously wrong for the department to do this.  Get your head in the game, interested bystander.    

  • Posted by searchveteran on September 6, 2009 at 5:15am EDT
  • Donna--It is commendable that the author's department seems to care very much about teaching. Aside from the top Ph.D. granting departments, most philosophy programs focus on teaching undergraduates in job searches. And it is interesting that even in top Ph.D. programs, it is assumed one will do a good job with one's undergraduates. It is fairly shameful to suck as a teacher in most departments. Even if the job searches don't make a big deal out of it, faculty at top schools cannot slack too much when it comes to teaching. Even if you don't care about your students--and most people do, to some extent--there is a surprising amount of peer pressure.

    I think it would be a disaster for the profession if everyone focused primarily on teaching. It is unfortunate that some scholars consider teaching to be beneath them but I don't think there is a strict dichotomy between those who care about research and those who care about teaching. Some people want to do much more research than a community college teaching load would allow. Some of these people still care about being good teachers. (I agree with you that those who don't, should.)

    On the other hand, I've noticed that the most incredible teachers tend to be somewhat less productive researchers. There are only so many hours in the day.

  • Fellow PhD's - All Is Not Lost
  • Posted by Another Student View on September 7, 2009 at 11:00am EDT
  • While I wholeheartedly agree that selecting a job candidate purely on Uni pedigree or purely on publications in A-Star Journals etc is to a degree unfair, and that selecting one person from a field of 600 with very limited time/resource etc is pretty much going to produce unfairness at some level or another, I think that there are a few things that need pointing out (especially for us PhD students now anticipating suicide).

    Firstly, there are more jobs out there than those at fancy Unis with big names. A lesser known Uni may have a good, even really good philosophy department that might be a much better place to work for a given person. Ironically, the concern about elitism seen in the comments above is in some ways reinforced by the assumption that the top rated Unis (whichever metric is in use) are the only places worthwhile working at. Following from this, there is work outside of academia for philosophers. Though I am at the applied end of the philosophy spectrum, we should keep in mind that philosophy can, and I believe should exist in practice in areas other than strict academic research - Governments, NGO's, private enterprise etc etc. We all know that they would benefit by employing the smartest minds in the world (philosophers, naturally) and we should not forget that there are jobs outside of academia that are worthwhile.

    My second point, which is probably evident from the first, is that not every philosophy student doing a PhD wants to go into an academic job at Oxford/Princeton/CCNY etc. I for one value my my time and space and would be very happy with a good teaching role at some regional Uni, or somewhere close to my friends and family. This echoes what Donna mentioned above.

    Obvious injustices of selection processes aside, to any PhDs out there reading this, there are many many options for you to choose from. They may in fact be equally good, if not better for you than obsessively pursuing what is held up as 'the dream job'.

  • Posted by Clayton Littlejohn on September 8, 2009 at 4:15pm EDT
  • This thread might be moribund or on its last legs, but Andrew Cullison notes something interesting on his blog (<a href="http://www.andrewcullison.com/2009/09/the-profession-the-academy/#more-1740">here</a>).

    The APA has said this about hiring:
    <i>The APA recognizes as a professional right of applicants for any position advertised in Jobs for Philosophers that no qualification for the position that will be given weight in making the appointment should be concealed from such applicants.</i>

    Here's the ad that CCNY placed in the JFP:
    36. THE CITY COLLEGE OF THE CITY UNIVERSITY OF NEW YORK, NEW YORK, NEW YORK. The City College of New York seeks an assistant professor of philosophy, tenure-track, beginning fall semester, 2009. Candidates must have PhD by time of appointment. AOS: Open. AOC: Open. The City College of New York is an EO/AAE employer. Send complete dossier including letter of application, three letters of recommendation, CV and a brief essay length writing sample to: Prof. Lou Marinoff, Chair, Search Committee, Dept. of Philosophy, The City College of New York, 137th Street at Convent Avenue, New York, NY 10031. Preliminary interviews at the APA Eastern Division Meetings. Deadline for applications: December 1, 2008. (179)

    Here's what Prof. Marinoff said about the screening process:
    <i>How did we prune our field from 637 to 27? An important selection criterion was holding a Ph.D. from a good university. Members of our department earned their Ph.D.s at Columbia, Harvard, Oxford, and University of London. Additionally, City College is known as the “Harvard of the Proletariat,” with distinguished alumni that include nine Nobel Laureates, more than any other public institution in America. Our faculty members are expected to live up to this legacy.</i>

    I didn't know about the APA's statement, but in my defense I've never served on a search committee. I hope that in the future, departments will either be a bit more transparent about what sort of treatment applications will receive. I also hope that this push towards greater transparency will lead some to be more reflective about the criteria that they use in hiring.

  • Lou the Lace Lady!
  • Posted by Cheryl Foster , Professor of Philosophy on September 15, 2009 at 10:00am EDT
  • In fretfully trumpeting the credentials of his home institution - "An important selection criterion was holding a Ph.D. from a good university. Members of our department earned their Ph.D.s at Columbia, Harvard, Oxford, and University of London. Additionally, City College is known as the “Harvard of the Proletariat” - Lou Marinoff sounds like nothing so much as a proper middle class lady in England, pointedly sipping from good china cups, with knock-off pictures of the countryside and the Royal Family plates on the wall.

    Give over! Can he really be so naive as to suppose entrance to elite programs rests entirely on merit? This suggests that, despite his lace-trimmed aspirations, Professor Marinoff's thinking remains firmly in the conceptual proletariat. A better way of skimming the admittedly daunting applicant pool would be to examine blind refereed publications - where some semblance of fair play and pure quality remain.

    Professor Marinoff had a difficult challenge before him and the tone of his essay remains sincere, but it is unfortunate that he bleated so publicly about a troubling aspect of the philosophical profession. Does he not realize that the very presumptions he employs in hiring new faculty might be handily used against his own students as they seek admission to those self-same "good" institutions?

  • What I Expected.
  • Posted by GRMCC , Philosophy Graduate Student at University in Florida on September 19, 2009 at 8:15am EDT
  • As a graduate student at a University that struggles to gain recognition on the infamous Leiter Report, despite our brilliant staff of whom many are well known and respected, I find this article and many of the responses to show just how depressingly petty philosophers tend to be. Any serious graduate student of philosophy knows the lack of opportunity that lies ahead. Marinoff isn't telling me anything I didn't know before hand, in fact he's just proving the point - for a lot of the so-called "better" schools, who they hire will be, in part, determined by one's pedigree. So be it. I'm still going to study philosophy because that's who I am. I'm not going to let their hiring habits determine what I do with my life. In fact, it's up to all of us who do not gain employment at the "prestigious" universities to prove the point that these schools are not necessarily the well-oiled factories of great minds that they claim to be. There's no reason why we can escape the power structure they think they control. Besides that, philosophers need to remember to not become disillusioned - did you get into philosophy just so you could make lots of money and work at a great place? If that's the case, you got into the wrong field. The debt I'm incurring...well, there's ways to make money. We're philosophers, not paupers. Even better, we're writers and, the last I checked, people still like to read.

  • BS
  • Posted by Anonymous on September 20, 2009 at 4:30pm EDT
  • Although the discussion seems to have tapered off, there is one observation about pedigree that I haven't seen skimming through the comments:

    "An important selection criterion was holding a Ph.D. from a good university."

    Whether or not taking into account pedigree is fair, this means that the self-congratulatory tone of the article and all the remarks about the industriousness and hard work of the committee are pure BS. You couldn't have received more than a few dozen applications from top schools, probably fewer. Please don't kid us and yourself with the difficulties of evaluating 637 applications when in fact you were working with a fraction of that.

  • Against "open" searches
  • Posted by Midwestern Phil Department Chair on October 6, 2009 at 9:30pm EDT
  • Most comments here have focused on the criteria that CCNY used to minimize the mountain of 637 applications. But why did CCNY get so many applications in the first place? Because they described both their AOS and AOC as "open." "This broadening tactic invariably attracts more – rather than fewer – applicants." Well, of course! CCNY got an application from nearly everyone who was on the market that year. In my opinion, these unfocused fishing expeditions are unimaginative and wasteful. Surely a department has some specific needs or interests, and other areas that aren't going to be considered. If you have a department of six, and one of your colleagues specializes in the first Critique, you're not going to hire another Kant specialist. You are thus wasting the time of any Kant scholar who applies for your position. Of course, an overly narrow description is unwise too, but opening the floodgates is just silly.