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  • It's Not 'Career or Transfer'

    By Dean Dad September 15, 2008 5:00 am

    I had a conversation last week with the chair of the Human Services program (think Social Work), in which she made the point that she didn't know how her program should be categorized. As she explained her dilemma, I realized I didn't know, either.

    Classically, cc programs are grouped into either 'career' or 'transfer' tracks. The idea is that students who matriculate typically have one of two desired outcomes when they graduate: either step right into a full-time job, or transfer to a four-year school. Perkins funding assumes a relatively clear distinction, as does much of the public discourse around cc's. (Even this satirical piece in last week's IHE seems to assume that the distinction is both natural and self-evident.) Politicians love the 'career' aspect of cc's, and are curiously silent on the transfer aspect. (They're similarly reticent on the subject of remediation.) Faculty, supposedly, favor the transfer side of things, though in practice I've found the stereotype to be pretty unreliable.

    What we're discovering, though, is that the world is blurring the distinction between career and transfer, and we have to, too.

    Fields that once hired people with two-year degrees are increasingly insisting on four-year degrees. (Locally, at least, that's proving to be the case with social work, engineering, and, surprisingly, nursing.) As the fields professionalize, they expect a higher level of academic qualification. In the late 90's, the way to handle that was to get a two-year degree at a cc, get an entry-level job in the field, and have the employer pay for the completion of the bachelor's degree, usually at night. But employer-paid tuition is much less common than it once was. In the late 90's at PU, most of the evening students were employer-paid. In the early 00's, that funding source dried up, and the program shrunk dramatically. Since then, they haven't bounced back much; employers seem increasingly to take the position that finishing your degree is your problem, to be solved on your dime.

    That's not to say, though, that the two-year programs have lost their relevance; it's just that they aren't enough by themselves anymore. A student who really wants to break into those fields can (and probably should) complete our program and then transfer. So is it a transfer program or a career program?

    The wisdom of the various fields 'professionalizing' is, of course, open to debate. But whether the shift is good or bad, it's out of our hands.

    One strange side effect of the shift, at least in my observation, has been that the generic 'transfer' major – all gen eds, all the time – is thriving. Between the sticker shock of four-year college tuition and the increased relevance of transfer for career fields, the enrollments in the classic liberal arts courses are as healthy as they've been in decades. The liberal arts fields may be increasingly marginalized at many colleges and universities, but they're healthy – if not thriving – at cc's. I'm not entirely sure what to make of that – on the one hand, I'm happy to see the classic academic fields well-enrolled, but on the other, I'm a little wary of them becoming too closely identified with the least prestigious tier of higher education. Since prestige and funding tend to go together, this isn't just a theoretical point.

    Although the facts on the ground are shifting, our ways of talking about them haven't. We still talk about career and transfer as if it were as clear as 'HVAC technician' and 'philosophy major.' And there are still enough clear cases that the discourse can survive. But that area in between is where the real growth is, and we haven't quite figured out how to handle that yet.

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Comments on It's Not 'Career or Transfer'

  • Transfer vs. CTE
  • Posted by Don on September 15, 2008 at 5:50pm EDT
  • On a related track: aren't 95% of our students thinking they are working toward a career? Seems a distraction (and a mostly a status issue) to label some degrees "career" oriented and others... what, oriented to professions? Our transfer degrees deliver good careers, often in areas closely related to our career certificate programs. This is a great topic.

  • Clearing "Dr Phil'ss" clarity on Career and transfer
  • Posted by C. W. Post on September 22, 2008 at 2:30pm EDT
  • Dearest “Dean”, Part of the current community college dilemma, I believe, is that the distinction between career and transfer is actually far more evident than community colleges wish to perceive. Consider this—transfer programs are controlled, to a great extent, by university articulation agreements. But universities are not involved with community college training programs focused around certificates or certain AAS degrees. Many of the job areas Dr. Phil mentioned (in that satirical piece on IHE) had nothing to do with universities. When Phil mentioned machine shops, meat cutters, massage therapists, hospitals, carpenters, clinics, and local businesses, he was thinking about immediate job training—a business that many of us feel is the proper locus of power for community colleges. And much of this job training is controlled (or certified) by external boards and agencies—not just those from higher education. Dr. Phil was evidently struggling or confused by the real purpose of community college’s- higher or post secondary education identity. He held a view of his institution, “NECCC” that didn’t match the community’s expectations.

    It seems that many community colleges adhere to the misconception and choose to operate in, an ether filled fantasy that they are big time higher education players. They buzz, like gnats infest elephants, looming about universities and four year colleges, convinced their jargoned corporate talk equals intellectual based knowledge creation.
    You may believe the world is blurring distinctions between career and transfer. However, the massage therapists, or LPNs, or welders, who spent a year or two at the community college, are now earning a decent living and have a clear understanding of their futures. The universities certainly provide a kind of job training (in a longer term sense), but not in the focused training mode of the good community colleges. I believe Ross was trying to point out, in Call me Phil, that some community colleges (and their presidents) find themselves in difficulty because they do not have a clear vision about their own purpose and mission—especially in terms of occupational or transfer functions.