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  • Salaries – Public or Private (or both)?

    By Dean Dad June 14, 2009 10:02 pm

    The indefatigable Lesboprof has a thoughtful post up about whether salaries should be public information. She makes several great points in favor of publicity, including preventing discrimination and giving rookies a fair sense of the going rate.

    I agree, but will take it even farther.

    One really basic benefit of publicity is that it will frequently put the lie to the tiresome claims of 'bloated administrative salaries' that usually constitute the first salvo in academic politics. I make substantially less than my predecessor did several years ago, and that was true at my previous job as well. My counterparts here also make far less than you'd expect, given their qualifications, performance, and scope of responsibility. (This year's raise: 0.) Put that out there, and put the finger-pointing to rest. Structural problems are structural, not personal.

    At colleges where that isn't the case – where the bloat is actually real – then shedding light can only help. It's a win-win either way.

    (The only level at which this falls apart is with Presidents, since they typically get some substantial portion of their compensation in 'allowances' for housing, a car, etc. I'll admit not quite understanding this, since it seems bound to lead to issues. I'd rather take the equivalent in salary – even with the tax hit – to have the privilege of being able to stop for milk on the way home without filling out an expense report, or of being able to paint the flippin' living room without anybody's permission. But that's me.)

    Public salaries also make it much harder for cowardly administrators to cut side deals. On behalf of those of us who are actually trying to do the right thing, this is good news. Yes, there are currencies other than money – course releases, office locations, travel money, etc. – but taking a really big one off the table can limit the abuses. Since public institutions aren't publicly traded, there's no issue of stock options substituting for salary, which is what led to so many abuses elsewhere. My cc doesn't, and couldn't, issue stock. What you get is what you see.

    Public salaries can also serve as useful counterarguments to those in the popular press – I won't name any names here – who like to claim that academics are getting fat at the public trough. Look at what people actually make at the cc level. With a few exceptions in some very specific regions of the country, these numbers don't suggest any kind of boondoggle. If anything, including adjuncts in the overall list – I'd insist on that – should give a sense of just how inexpensively cc's generally are run. Yes, some of the four-year and graduate institutions might rather sweep that particular fact under the rug, but it's true. Cut our budget, and we start cutting functions.

    At a more fundamental level, though, I'd love to get past the idea of academia as some sort of calling, and recognize that it's a job. Treat it as such. The 'calling' idea, I think, is part of why so many adjuncts allow themselves to be exploited for so long. They just can't imagine doing anything else, and/or don't want to admit defeat. (A calling is supposed to be deeply personal. If you can't get anywhere in your calling, what does that say about you? Rationally, that's crap, but psychologically, it's powerful.) As long as they hold pre-modern, romantic notions of the 'profession,' they're ripe for the picking. We need to disenchant the job, which means, among other things, putting it all out there. Yes, that may have a depressing effect on graduate school admissions. That would be a sign of success. The goal here is to stop talented young people from throwing themselves into the sausage grinder. Warning them upfront that even a 'win' – a tenure-track job – isn't all that much of a win economically might just dissuade some, which can only help.

    I'll go farther, though. It's ludicrous that public institutions should be the only ones with open books. My modest proposal: open salaries by law for every employer in America. Let's see where the real bloat is. Hint: it ain't community colleges.

    Lesboprof's arguments seem to me just as valid for the private sector as for the public. Rookies should be able to learn the going rate, and discrimination shouldn't be able to hide behind a corporate veil. In an era of government bailouts, the idea that professors making $45,000 a year are open to scrutiny but bankers making a dozen times that, aren't, is insane. Let's see where all the money is going – not just public sector money – before we start judging just exactly who's exploiting whom.

    I've long suspected that the taboo against talking about salaries served certain interests over others. Here's a chance to see. How much does the talking head on Fox News get? How much does my functional equivalent at an HMO get? No more of this 'selective transparency' crap. Let's get it all out there, and have a real discussion about priorities.

    Transparency is great, but not just for the public sector. I'm tired of uberwealthy commentators cherry-picking the occasional anomaly from the public sector for political purposes, while remaining immune from scrutiny themselves. Fair is fair. Open the books, and let the chips fall where they may. Let everybody get a sense of the going rate. Then let the real debate begin.

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Comments on Salaries – Public or Private (or both)?

  • And benefits?
  • Posted by CCPhysicist on June 15, 2009 at 5:15am EDT
  • It wouldn't hurt to get health care benefits out there in public as well. I know how much my employer pays for health care, and it is a substantial hidden tax that requires an invisible pay increase every year.

    I'd love to know how many of those "think tank" experts have ever bought health insurance on the open market, and how much their corporate package costs their employer.

    On your point, our salaries are public but I'll bet grad students don't know what they are.

  • Adding value at the institution
  • Posted by Irritant , Researcher at None on June 15, 2009 at 6:30am EDT
  • I agree with DD that Commuity Colleges are not driving the cost of education the same way that 4 year schools are. But I would also point out that while there is (or could be) a substantial difference in the wages paid to 4 year faculty and 2 year faculty ... the cost impact to the public comes moreso from the issue of productivity. At the State U. where I took my teminal degree, the faculty were officially contracted to teach 4 quarter classes in one year. But they 1) got every 5th year off, 2) got a reduction for teaching nights, 3) got a reduction for teaching graduate classes, 4) got a reduction for sitting on a committee, etc. The net of all this is a faculty that taught two quarter classes per year - a total of maybe 50 students - yet were paid $100K+. Naturally they were accomodated by teaching in a single quarter and were only on campus about an hour a week to check the mail box the rest of the year. That is, if they did not contract to an appointment at some other college in Asia or some other place. Yeah, yeah, they were doing research. But in truth they published nothing. One of the more honest faculty had a sign on his door, "Tenured and retired." The faculty at my daughter's Ivy taught 5 to 10 times as many student hours and still had time to engage with students and publish and were on campus almost all the time. As to bloat among adminstrators, how much pay would it take to move from the faculty gravy train I described at State U. into a full day, full week, full year job at a duty station dealing primarily with problems all day long. Then there is the every growing expectation that colleges provide a wide array of services that are not central to instruction - those positions need to manned also and are called adminstration although they are not administering the delivery of content. In comparing the local CC to State U, the local CC is far more efficient yet lacks the political clout to fend off gubernatorial price controls and cuts in funding while life is only a little less cushy at State U.

  • The Price of Being Called
  • Posted by Mike , English Instructor at Midwest CC on June 15, 2009 at 9:30am EDT
  • While I agree wholeheartedly that there should be more transparency about pay in the workplace, I'm not sure that more transparency will matter too much in affecting the romanticized notion of the academic life. The public will likely see very little difference between a professor who is making 60K a year at a cc and a professor making 100K a year at a U--both are getting paid for just standing around and talking. As for starry-eyed adjuncts, naive grad students, and granola-munching faculty, there will always be a contingent that sees the job as a calling--as I do. While I recognize that I am an employee of a large institution that views me solely as an interchangeable employee, I also recognize that I am, modesty aside, talented, charismatic, and charming enough to have been successful as an employee in any number of places. I choose to teach because I believe teaching matters and I believe I accomplish something good when I teach. Perhaps this is a theological question rather than a career training question, but what's the point of doing a job if one does not feel some sort of call to that job? Of course, I have yet to figure out who, besides John Houseman from Paper Chase, called me into the profession.

  • Transparency in salaries
  • Posted by Festus on June 15, 2009 at 10:45am EDT
  • This is interesting. In the corporate world there simply wouldn't be any discussion about transparency regarding salaries except at the highest levels. I've never quite understood why higher ed. thinks it should be fundamentally different. Perhaps you can help me here. I will say, however, with several years in the military having ALL salaries published elminated any discussion of what people made. At that same time there were often converstions related to merit and complaints about weak performers getting the same salary as the superstars. Union contract elicit the same discussion.

  • Public vs Private Salaries
  • Posted by pwfrank , Dean, ALHN at LCCC on June 15, 2009 at 10:45am EDT
  • Ooorah and amen! I agree 110%.

  • Posted by a dark ally on June 16, 2009 at 5:30am EDT
  • Thanks for the discussion!

    I'm getting ready to go for my first interview (pre-tenure track) and I'm wondering how to go about finding info on salary scales etc for the Washington DC area. I'm also wondering about the ratio of income to living expenses - since I'm currently in a rural area I imagine the salary might sound 'high' relative to what I'd expect here, but in reality be quite low in terms of the lifestyle it affords in a big city.

    Thanks for any tips you can pass on!

  • where to find salary info
  • Posted by MO Prof on June 25, 2009 at 1:15pm EDT
  • To answer your question on where to find salary info: Here in Missouri, we have what is casually called a blue book that is available on-line through the gov't website. It is usually a year out-dated but still gives you a good idea about salaries (when I came here I simply went to the university library and asked for the blue book!). But then we also have some newspapers that love to check into such things (our local newspaper publishes the names and salaries of everyone making over 100K every year), and the St. Louis dispatch recently made a link avaialble where one can check every gov't employee's salary for the last 3 years. So, I would go to the university library and see what they can tell you how to access salary information - after all it is public info and thus must be accessible - and yes, Wash. DC is expensive!