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  • My Own Responses to Student Comments

    By Oronte January 23, 2008 7:21 pm

    One of the TAs in my group office had a public conniption today over her student evaluations from last semester. The packets had been put in all our mailboxes, now that grades are a done deal. Her fellow Ph.D. candidate talked her down with something about statistical variation, and how students are know-nothing, don’t-listen, can’t-do kids who will probably write better as a result of her class but resented the work of being made to learn. He advised her to “go ahead and be angry—scream and throw things, that’s okay!” They rarely speak, these two, but she needed an audience, and he needed to feel like a nurturer.

    “Did you ever get evaluations this bad?” she asked him tearfully.

    “No,” he said nurturingly.

    I’ve certainly had my own bad semester or two. The spring that Starbuck was born, and I was a first-time father, my numbers were…oh lord. I was going to do a posting today that responded to colorful criticisms of me, but my student evals this time couldn’t have been much better. I’m not bragging. These things don’t mean much, in my opinion—if you work students hard, they do sometimes write revenge ratings, for instance—but I took the comment sheets down to the pub and stood declaiming the results aloud during lunch.

    Still, a sampling from my creative writing and my lit classes, with my responses:

    “Oronte broke my balls in a constructive way. I felt challenged as a writer.”
    Better than in a destructive way.

    “Very hypnotic voice—not monotone, just hypnotic.”
    I learned that oratorical trick from my mother, who grew quietest right before she broke your balls.

    “His writing [comments on student papers] was hard to read sometimes.”
    Tell me boot t frend, sumtiiiimes i chn’t reod whut I acivodoi either.

    “His exuberance made the class interesting.”
    Yes, literature is my passion. Also, meth. Lots and lots of meth.

    “Turn down the heat in the lecture room! At the end of the semester when everyone is sleep deprived it would take an atomic blast to wake you up if the room is 85 degrees!”
    Are you the young woman who told me she felt like she was “going through menopause” and demanded I smell the inside of your rabbit-skin boots for evidence of how hard you were sweating?

    “Professor Churm proved to be one of the most inspiring teachers I have ever had; I will walk away with life lessons, knowledge of literature, and the desire to live my life to the fullest.”
    Thank you for that. Let’s hope they don’t catch us doctoring the evals, Mrs. Churm.

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Comments on My Own Responses to Student Comments

  • Posted by Noah on January 23, 2008 at 9:25pm EST
  • Do evaluations mean anything in terms of you keeping your job, or are they purely for your information-to let you know what the students think of your teaching?

    If good evaluations have any kind of sway over your future employment, would you feel it necessary to cater to how well you are liked by students, rather than how well you teach them?

  • Dance, monkey, dance.
  • Posted by Not Her Real Name on January 24, 2008 at 7:20am EST
  • Nestled amongst the kind, helpful student responses I got this term (from my predominantly male class) there was also this: "Far too much reading... Also she needs to smile more. She looks like she hates life and everything in it." So remember ladies: less reading, more smiling. I sho nuff hope no one demands that I dance for them next term, too.

  • And now...
  • Posted by Dean Rich on January 24, 2008 at 7:50am EST
  • Does the evaluation system you use actually give you any guidance about how you might teach better--as in, asking the right questions about students' perceptions of how often you do the kinds of things that foster student learning?

  • Student Comments and Supervisor Reactions
  • Posted by Bob Schenck on January 24, 2008 at 8:55am EST
  • My friend Don taught calculus at the community college where I work. His batting average on the student evaluations was always below 3.0 on the 5.0 scale. His supervisor had no qualifications in math.

    "Your students say they can't understand fractions," the dean told Don at his annual evaluation conference. "Why don't you just not teach fractions?"

    Don replied, "That's a point-five-assed idea."

    The next year his dean was even more concerned about Don's batting average. He told Don: "This year I expect the score of every instructor in this department to be above the departmental average!"

    The oddest student comment I've ever received on evaluations: "In class Mr. Schenck demonstrated the noise he makes during orgasm."

    Huh?

  • Posted by Oronte on January 24, 2008 at 8:55am EST
  • Noah: No, they mean very little about employment, and I've thought that they should sometimes. I don't pander to students in hopes of good evaluations, since that's a skill unto its own, which takes concerted and protracted effort, and I don't have that skill at all. Plus, it's too much work. If I'd wanted to be an actor, I'd join Crazy Larry.

    Not Her Name: Very interesting. Do you think my scowls are accepted because of gender expectations? Has there been a study on student perceptions of teachers that shows women are judged poorer teachers because they don't smile? I wouldn't doubt it. Or if they don't wear pretty dresses, and smell of perfume? And what of the men? I can't grow facial hair to save my life...do I lose points for not meeting expectations?

    Dean: There is some hints beyond my silliness here. Students answer scantron questions and then do a (voluntary) sheet of discursive answers. I think most of us look quickly at the scantron results to see where in the range we fall according to certain teaching criteria. Then we read more closely the written answers. I do tend to get some tips for the future.

  • Evals
  • Posted by Laurel on January 24, 2008 at 11:55am EST
  • Very rarely are student eval comments flat-out "wrong"--unless they have your class confused with some other, which, unfortunately, happens. If they are angry, petulant, whiney, upset about having to work hard, even glowing and loaded like a baked potato at TGI Fridays, they are, for the most part, simply responses, not evaluations. Unless we take the time to discuss criteria and think through those as well as take time to reflect on learning, course structures, etc., most "evaluations" offer limited uses and feedback. But simply dismissing evals is also not a good idea, despite their flaws. Students find courses "hard" if they are underprepared, if they have been misled by the catalog, if we haven't properly sequenced assignments and offered support at the right times...what we see as "whiney" may just be the rhetorical representation of a frustration borne of many sources with just one outlet.

  • Posted by dallas on January 24, 2008 at 12:15pm EST
  • “No,” he said nurturingly.
    Ha--what a great sentence.

    Now I'm nervous that my comments from the flame-out semester will be arriving soon. Our department also does an undergraduate "bitch session" with student representatives. Their comments get filtered back to us, in addition to the official university review. The bitch session information is often useful, and our department has made changes based on the student suggestions. After my first year of beating down the juniors, they suggested a recitation section to give them a fighting chance... which they got this past year.
    I guess it all depends on what emphasis the department places on the undergraduate experience.

  • Performing Gender
  • Posted by Not Her Real Name on January 25, 2008 at 3:00pm EST
  • Oronte, I think your comment is dead-on. We all come in for criticism from a certain segment of our classes when we (both men and women) do not perform our gender roles to their expectations, or in a way they find palatable. Sadly, most of this happens on the unconscious level and so is difficult or impossible to combat. It can only be delicately socially engineered through acting butcher or more femme, dressing up or down, etc. And while men can usually safely go to the butch end of the spectrum to solve their image troubles, women risk being perceived more negatively for doing so. If women act feminine though, they risk coming off as a dingbat or not worthy of respect. I would say you're ok on the facial hair-- the scowling probably offsets it to bring you up to the required level of butch. Just don't start smiling too much (one to four times a semester should be fine).

  • In a climate like this we all need UGG boots.
  • Posted by The Menopausal Student , Student at Hinterland University on February 10, 2008 at 10:40pm EST
  • Oronte,

    It was hot as Death Valley in August in the room of our Comparative Literature final. Please don't mock the unfortunate sequence of events that renders me incapable of bearing children at the ripe age of 22. I wasn't asking you to smell my boot, but suggesting you use it to prop open the door and let some of the cool, fresh air into our cramped and stuffy lecture hall. Besides, it's sheepskin not rabbit fur. As necessary and popular as UGG boots are when Hinterland refuses to concede defeat to the arctic temperatures, you should know that.

  • Ughs
  • Posted by Oronte on February 11, 2008 at 4:00pm EST
  • What are those things, mukluks? Good to see you here.

  • I also saw this
  • Posted by Carl , Ornery Cuss on July 26, 2008 at 7:20am EDT
  • And I'm not sure if I remember right, but that "Churm broke my balls in a constructive way" sure as shit sounds like something I'd say.