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July 18, 2005

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It's not exactly news to most professors that a high school diploma is no assurance that the holder is prepared for college. But a national poll suggests that a key constituency would back more rigor in high schools: the students who attend them.

On Saturday, the National Governors Association released the results of a poll of 10,000 teenagers (16-18 years old), including both students in high school and those who had dropped out. Significant numbers of students reported that high school was not challenging enough and that they were willing to take on more work.

The poll is part of an effort by the association to encourage states to improve high schools, and especially the senior year of high school. Gov. Mark Warner, a Virginia Democrat who has led the governors' campaign on high school, has repeatedly called the senior year of high school a "nine month endurance test" for many students.

Among the findings of the poll of those in high school and planning to graduate:

  • Two out of three students agreed with the statement: "I would work harder if high school offered more demanding or interesting courses."
  • Asked if high school had prepared them for college, 62 percent said that it had done an excellent or good job, while 37 percent said it had done a fair or poor job.
  • Asked how to make the senior year of high school more meaningful, 65 percent said that they would like to learn more about colleges during their senior year, 64 percent said that they wanted to take college courses for credit while in high school, and 60 percent said that they wanted to receive money to take and pass Advanced Placement courses.

While most discussion of college in the poll came in questions for those still in high school, the results indicate that some of those dropping out also plan on a higher education. Just over one-third of those who dropped out said that they planned to attend a community college in the future.

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Comments on High School Students Want Courses That Challenge

  • Challenge
  • Posted by Bill Coplin , De-Couple College and Work at Syracuse Univesity on July 18, 2005 at 7:37am EDT
  • This study makes a similar mistake that Bill Gates and most high school reformers make. They say college does not prepare students for college or work. They then to forget the work part and pontificate as if college will lead to a successful life of work. This assumption is made even though many high school graduates do not go to college and 40% who go don't graduate in six years. Moreover, it appears that their idea of college is traditional liberal arts because they call for more challenges in the form of Algebra II, Calculus, traditional science and English literature all under the flag of "critical thinking." The traditional college curriculum has dominated even the most poorly performing high schools and is partially responsible for the lack of meaningful challenge students complain about.

  • Competency, not "liberal arts"
  • Posted by Ian on July 18, 2005 at 6:56pm EDT
  • I wasn't aware that asking for more work to do was a problem in the world of work.
    Perhaps these students were wrong?

  • Students Want Courses That Challenge
  • Posted by David H. Lydick , Professor, Business Management at Paul D. Camp Commmunity College on August 9, 2005 at 7:44pm EDT
  • For the past 26 years I have taught undergraduate and graduate students at numerous 2-year, 4-year colleges and universities. There is no "bell curve" in academia--there are great students and there are pitiful students with very few in between! The majority of students today arrive to class in their parents' SUVs, sipping on StarBucks coffees, while talking on their cell phones to anyone and everyone. A widely reported student survey in early 2005 had students responding that our government should censor all news sources yet leave the lyrics to music unfettered! Go figure . . . .