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August 23, 2005

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University administrators have a love-hate relationship with the annual rankings released this time of year by U.S. News & World Report, Peterson's, Newsweek and others. In speeches and op-eds, they complain that the ratings use flawed methodology and prompt institutions to skew their priorities to perform better in them. Yet some among them, at least, are the institutions that skew their priorities to perform better in the rankings, and they are often quick to trumpet the news when they fare well.

But there is one ranking each year that colleges truly despise -- Princeton Review's list of the top party schools (okay, they probably also dislike the company's list called "Reefer Madness" ). And this year's "winner" of the party school designation, the University of Wisconsin at Madison, has continued the grand tradition of objecting vehemently to the honor.

As Princeton Review named the Madison party central on Monday, among the review's 57 other categories, the university responded with a news release of its own headlined "UW-Madison shows progress on student drinking."

"High-risk drinking continues to be a top health issue on college campuses across the country," Chancellor John D. Wiley said, before slamming the Princeton Review report. "Junk science that results in a day of national media coverage does not do this issue justice. At Wisconsin, we will continue our multi-faceted approach to the problem."

The Wisconsin statement trumpets the work of a program called Policy, Alternatives, Community and Education, which it says has shown "measurable, positive" results in reducing student drinking despite what it calls "Wisconsin's entrenched culture as one of the heaviest-drinking states in the nation."

Also on Monday, The Washington Monthly, an iconoclastic policy magazine that has been a harsh critic of U.S. News and other college rankings, released its own. The introduction to the magazine's "first annual" ranking suggests that by focusing on (probably flawed) measures of academic excellence, U.S. News and other entities focus on the wrong things. Institutions should be judged, the Monthly argues, by how well they are putting the huge sums of taxpayer funds they receive to good use for society -- by being "engines of social mobility," advancing knowledge and economic growth, and encouraging "an ethic of service." 

"While other guides ask what colleges can do for students," the magazine says, "we ask what colleges are doing for the country."

By using very different measures of excellence, The Washington Monthly's rankings produce very different results. Many of the top performers in the U.S. News and other prominent rankings fare less well in this one; Harvard and Princeton, which topped the U.S. News list released Friday, finish 16th and 44th, respectively. Public institutions are far better represented in the upper tier of its rankings, and many elite colleges lagged, the magazine said, because of the emphasis Washington Monthly placed on national service.

The magazine also said its rankings would be greatly improved if American higher education made its operations more transparent. "In future years, we would prefer to expand our criteria and develop an even more comprehensive measure of the qualities by which colleges and universities enrich our country. There's only one problem: Many of these data aren't available."

It noted, for instance, that most institutions decline to let the National Survey of Student Engagement, which collects valuable information about the academic performance and behavior of students at individual colleges, make the information public. 

The magazine's report closes with a wish -- that institutions change their behavior in response to its rankings in the same way, it asserts, that they have adapted to move up in the U.S. News rankings. "Imagine, then, what would happen if thousands of schools were suddenly motivated to try to boost their scores on The Washington Monthly College Rankings," the magazine said.

"They'd start enrolling greater numbers of low-income students and putting great effort into ensuring that these students graduate. They'd encourage more of their students to join the Peace Corps or the military. They'd intensify their focus on producing more Ph.D. graduates in science and engineering. and as a result, we all would benefit from a wealthier, freer, more vibrant, and democratic country."

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Comments on The Ranking Colleges Hate the Most

  • Objecting All the Way to the Bank
  • Posted by Stu Gittelman on August 23, 2005 at 8:46am EDT
  • I'm sure Wisconsin and the other top party schools, in a display of principled indignation, will refuse to cash the windfall application fee checks that result from the spike in undergraduate admissions this year.

  • but schools like bimbos and jocks
  • Posted by Larry on August 23, 2005 at 12:24pm EDT
  • I have always found the ranking of “party” schools to be frighteningly correct. Indeed, I think that UW deserves it. I was there in the past year and I saw undergraduate girls saying “woo.” They can’t be real scholars if they say “woo.”

    If schools want to reduce the amount of partying amongst undergraduates they can do it. Of course it might be expensive and unpopular because people like to party. But, here are some simple steps:

    1) Eliminate all fraternities and sororities;

    2) Require all students to pass a challenging core curriculum, which includes the core corses from real subjects. This way, girls won’t be able to get away with taking “rocks for jocks” or “physics for bimbos.” They will have to take the same courses that the engineers do. If they fail, they can go to community college like the rest of the dumb kids. (Oh, the words “community college like the rest of the dumb kids” is an exact quote from a dean of a large midwestern college.)

    3) Institute blind grading on all 1st-year courses. This send a message to bimbos and jocks that they can’t suck up to get good grades. Requires quizzes every week, and classes three times per week. Usually in the morning.

    4) Eliminate all majors and programs with the word “studies” in it. (For some reason these people seem to party harder than people in majors with shorter names.)

    Anyway, these ideas are unpopular because most people like the idea of partying.

  • Wisconsin
  • Posted by mike on August 23, 2005 at 12:26pm EDT
  • Ever read Beer and Circus? Come stand outside Camp Randall Stadium on Game day and watch alumni set the example for their sons and daughters!!!! Drinking starts early, urinating anywhere and everywhere starts soon after. The bars that run Madison would go crazy if something was really done about it. The alumni would stop paying big money for luxury suites. Then what would we have to do---oh yeah, study. The police actually stand gaurd to protect all the drunk white people of Wisconsin. I doubt the same would be done for people of color.

  • Posted by Gopher on August 23, 2005 at 12:34pm EDT
  • As an alumna of of UW-Madison's rival, the University of Minnesota, I can guarantee that not only do they revel in this ranking (and will accept all of those admissions checks), but they actively promote it. Halloween in Madison is a nationally-recognized party-- sponsored by the college. Either embrace it and teach your students how to do it responsibly, or really crack down, but don't whine about it in public.

  • Social drinking
  • Posted by Kevin , Undergraduate on August 23, 2005 at 1:57pm EDT
  • Most attempts at prohibitionist policies have failed miserably, and every school has its share of drinking problems (even Harvard and Yale, which ended up with a good number of students hospitalized for alcohol poisoning after one of their recent games; MIT has an active sorority/fraternity scene - and is still doing fine).

    The school should be worrying about preparing its students for their careers, not eradicating drinking or drunkenness, or, for that matter, creating "social mobility."

  • Partying vs Studying
  • Posted by barrgain on August 24, 2005 at 4:34am EDT
  • Don't downplay the importance of learning to handle yourself in drunk orgies. That is the one distinguishing skill provided by high-class institutions that is not provided by commuter colleges and distance learning.

    Who you party with is a better predictor of where you're going to be ten years out than who you study with (personal observation - somebody quote me some research).

    Don't EVER sell a party school short.

  • Posted by Neil Holman on August 24, 2005 at 10:15am EDT
  • As a UW alum and an educator, I acknowledge that Wisconsin is a party school. It is also one of the top research universities in the country. There is no contradiction here. Students at UW work hard, and then they let off steam. I learned this my freshman year, when my dorm house, which had a lot of hard-partying engineers, came up as the top ranked academically. The students who come to Madison primarily to party do not survive more than a semester or two. Courses are very demanding. It is a fantastic place to go to school!

    I take exception to Larry's comment about community colleges. There is no shame in taking courses there. Many students simply have no other options financially, and with schools using rank and SAT scores as limiters, some perfectly good students fall underneath the cutoff line. Community college instructors are dedicated to teaching, and they should in no way be denigrated.

  • Posted by Larry on August 24, 2005 at 11:27am EDT
  • Mr. Holman, Since I made it though college without ever drinking, I really don’t understand why other people need to do likewise. But maybe, "orgy-etiquette" is an important thing to learn. I know at my age (late 30s) I often have occasion to participate in drunkin' orgies, and I find that I am not familiar with the protocols regarding where to stand and such.

    Also, would you send your kid to a community college ?

  • Posted by Chuck Eberly on August 24, 2005 at 1:54pm EDT
  • Yes, I would send my daughter to a community college, and as a matter of fact, more than half of all current first and second year college students attend community colleges. First, the faculty members are typically trained as educators, hold teaching degrees, and instruct in classrooms with no more than 35 students in a class. Most undergraduates at "top research universities" get advanced graduate students more focused on their research projects than they are on their teaching as instructors, attend large lectures with more than 125 students per class, and seldom encounter a professor unless they are Honors College students. For evidence, see George Kuh's CD, "Declining by Degrees" (2005).

  • Posted by Larry on August 24, 2005 at 3:02pm EDT
  • Well, Chuck (as opposed to Neil), I would personally be ashamed if my child didn’t get into an honors college if they had to go to a state school and probably never speak to them again. Anyway, having gone to a liberal arts college, I never really encountered teaching assistants until graduate school.

  • Posted by Kim on August 24, 2005 at 3:37pm EDT
  • I am outraged by the comments Larry made. Drinking is an issue most institutions have to face. Your suggestions for improving drinking related issues are appalling!

    1st... There are many Fraternities and Sororities that are required by their national chapters to have a dry house. They do some of the best philanthropy events and usually are some of the most active individuals on campus. To eliminate them completely does NOT "fix" the problem.

    2nd...You start off by stating that course work needs to get harder, but then you single out “girls” and state that they need to take the same courses as engineers to be in an university or college setting. If they fail at that, then they must go to a community college. I agree with Neil and Chuck. There is no shame in going to a community college. Many students entering colleges have started there. What frustrates me is that you focused your complaint to women. Why must women, not “girls” be forced to take classes that may not meet with the area of study they are going into? There have been many successful women who have left college and never taken a course similar to that of an engineer. To lump all women together and cast them off into what you have defined as a “dumb kid’s school” only continues to create barriers for women.

    3rd…If my child wanted to go to college and had to start in a community college first I would commend them for their commitment to bettering themselves. If you truly would be ashamed of your child, then maybe you should NEVER have kids. Because with the comments you’re making, that’s probably where they would end up.

    Larry, it’s like you came right from the dark ages with your comments! Open your eyes.

  • Posted by Rich on August 24, 2005 at 5:27pm EDT
  • While there is NO WAY I can improve on Kim's comments (very nicely done), I feel the need to throw in my 2 cents. I've worked for 4 universities, all Division I for athletics, 2 in the Big Ten, 3 Research I institutions. All of them, including UW, have dealt with alcohol on campus and off. There is no one solution (or 4, Larry) for all schools. What UW is trying is showing results, but they're battling school tradition, state tradition, and even state law (look up Wisconsin state law as it applies to children under the age of 21 LEGALLY consuming alcohol). Ever been to State Street in Madison on a normal day (we won't even talk about Halloween...wow)? Count the number of bars vs. every other type of storefront. UW "earned" this distinction through no fault of their own. Sweeping societal change cannot be accomplished by any one policy making body, even one as powerful as UW.
    Stay strong on this, Badgers. But you're still going down on the football field.

  • My reply to Kim and Rich
  • Posted by Larry on August 25, 2005 at 10:10am EDT
  • Kim and Rich,

    I am sorry that you are both “outraged.” However, being outraged is a part of life, and I have learned to deal with it. I am also sorry that you find my suggestions “appalling.”

    To respond:

    First: In my experience, frats and sororities that called themselves dry did not actually result in their members drinking less. While I despise these groups and their members for a host of reasons, I can say that most of these protestations that they are a “dry” house are for show only. They still drink.

    Second: In my social class, and the social class of most professors, there is a shame in going to community college. It is not something that we would admit proudly. We can sugar-coat it all we want, but the fact is that we don’t want our kids associating with members of the lower classes. Welcome to the real world. (And yes, I realize that I am taking a Marxist position.)

    As an addendum to the second: I find many women to be quite anti-intellectual when it comes to courses with numbers. While it is all well and good that they like poetry, pottery, and sociology (the non-empirical kind), in order to be a well-rounded person they need to take courses that didn’t come easy for them in highschool and prove that they have at least some familiarity with subjects outside traditionally feminine topics. This familiarity is not achieved by watered-down “earth science” or “intro” courses, but by simply requiring that everyone take at least the first two course in a sequence. I expect nothing less of the women in my family.

    Third: In my culture, we are ashamed of our kids. We don’t mince words. We don’t sugar-coat failures. I understand it is different in your culture. You need to be more tolerant of other cultures.

    Finally, Rich, I really don’t care whether you like badgers or not. Sports are silly, but, I guess, necessary for raising money. If you want to admit undergrads that are going to drink, you reap what you sew.

  • Response to all the earlier posts
  • Posted by Neil Holman on September 19, 2005 at 5:03pm EDT
  • This has certainly brought out some interesting responses.

    First, my views on UW-Madison stand. It is a wonderful place to go to school, whether one chooses to spend one's free time partying or not. The reputation for being a party school in no way denigrates the academic excellence or social awareness of the institution. It is too bad that some people overdo it. Sometimes that comes with the territory - being young, away from home for the first time, and needing to get away from the pressures of life.

    My thoughts on community colleges come from having worked in several of them. I found the quality of students there to be no less than that of students in other, larger institutions. In fact, summers see large numbers of the students from those larger institutions taking classes at the community college in their home towns, right next to those who attend during the year.

    Much too much is made of the "stigma" of attending the community college. These institutions serve a purpose, providing a college education to many who could not afford to attend elsewhere.

    Some of the comments written here reminded me of just how far we have to go in this society. Are we forever to be a nation of the privileged vs. the "lower classes"?

    No matter what school you attend, no matter what its reputation, what you get out of a higher education is up to you.

  • Larry
  • Posted by Melissa on October 18, 2005 at 4:36am EDT
  • Larry, your comments are demeaning to women, student athletes, and anyone who has ever taken even one course at a community college. If you are a professor, I pity anyone who has taken your courses. You live in the ivory tower.

  • Larry
  • Posted by peter on October 23, 2005 at 8:49pm EDT
  • From reading your posts, i realized that you think engineers are the geniuses of the modern world. If girls in liberal arts majors need to take engineer courses, boys in engineering majors need to take liberal arts courses, and I can assure you that Georgia Tech's English Department is very rigorous, or maybe not.

  • Larry's statements
  • Posted by anon Madison student at UW-Madison on October 30, 2005 at 8:07pm EST
  • You are so incorrectly informed on UW-Madison it cracks me up.
    1) Gopher: Halloween is NOT sponsered by the university. The university has always hated the Halloween celebration and it is not held on campus. Last year 95% of arrests at State Street were non-UW students. We (yes, I currently attend and indulge in drinking as a freshman, deal with it) respect our campus and don't destroy it.
    2) The majority of parties are held at students' houses or apartments, not the frats or sororities. The frats aren't even that popular for parties since they usually don't allow non-frat guys in.
    3) Courses here are extremely hard. Everyone on my floor that isn't on course for dropping out is studying every night Sunday-Thursday. We have a motto... Study hard, party harder.
    4) In case you didn't see the U.S. News and Reports ranking, we are the 8th best public university in the nation, so all these "bimbos" never even made it into the school anyway. I was waitlisted with a 3.6 GPA and 29 on my ACT. Classes do start at 7:45 am every day and some start as late as 7:30 pm. Sorry that we have too many courses to be able to make everyone wake up at 7.
    5) Mike: you would be hard pressed to not see people drinking openly outside before a football game at any university, or stadium for that matter.
    6) Would you be ashamed of your kid if they wanted to go to a community college for 2 years to save you money? I know plenty of people that have gone to a 2-year UW school and transfer to Madison eventhough they could get in from the start.