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October 6, 2005

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In case any faculty members in the natural sciences at the University of Idaho were not sure whether "intelligent design" was fair fare in the classroom, a letter from the president to all employees and students Tuesday put an end to that question.

"Because of the recent national media attention on the issue,” reads President Timothy P. White’s letter, “I write to articulate the University of Idaho’s position with respect to evolution: this is the only curriculum that is appropriate to be taught in our bio-physical sciences.” The short letter goes on to allow for the teaching of "views that differ from evolution" in other courses, like religion and philosophy, but not as a scientific principle, which is “testable and anchored in evidence.”

The president's letter noted that this view is consistent with the views of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the National Academy of Sciences, and dozens of scientific societies.

Harold Gibson, an Idaho spokesman said that White was traveling and unavailable for comment. Gibson said that  Eugenia Scott,   executive director of the National Center for Science Education, which says it wants to keep "’scientific creationism’ out" of the classroom, is speaking on campus soon, and White wanted the university’s stance to be clear. Gibson said that if he were a faculty member interested in "intelligent design," he would actually feel better because of the letter. "It clearly states there is a place for teaching of views that differ from evolution, as long as they’re in faculty approved curricula," he said.

The pro-"intelligent design" Discovery Institute, in Seattle, did not share his enthusiasm, saying that White is infringing on faculty members’ rights to make decisions in their own fields of expertise. David DeWolf, a law professor at Gonzaga University and a senior fellow with the Discovery Institute, said he is used to faculty members disavowing "intelligent design," but that “it’s something quite different when the administrator who pays the salaries of the faculty members says in effect, ‘You may not do this.’”

White is not the first university head to speak out in favor of evolution. Last week, Bob Hemenway, chancellor of the University of Kansas, distributed a similar letter to employees highlighting “the attack on evolution … across America.” He added that evolution, "the central unifying principle of modern biology," must stand as the prevailing scientific idea in order to "raise the level of scientific literacy among our citizenry because we face a critical shortage of scientists in the next two decades."

DeWolf called White’s letter "naked viewpoint discrimination," and said the letter seems like a threat to any faculty member who goes against the grain of the scientific community. “I would hope that places like the [American Association of University Professors] would recognize this as an assault on academic freedom."

Jonathan Knight, director of the Office of Academic Freedom and Tenure at AAUP, isn’t worried. "Academic freedom is not a license to teach anything you like," Knight said, noting that the letter says "views that differ from evolution may occur in faculty-approved curricula" outside the physical sciences. Knight said that the way to determine if something is scientifically grounded is "by what the community of scholars determines by decades of testing." He added that if a professor “wants to teach that the Holocaust did not occur following writing of David Irving folks in the history community would say that’s not well grounded in historic facts.”

Scott Minnich, an associate professor of microbiology at Idaho, will testify in coming months in a trial in Pennsylvania where 11 parents sued the Dover Area School District for instituting rules that encourage students to consider "intelligent design." Minnich will testify that the theory is legitimate science. Minnich said he thinks the university has “a right to oversight,” and that “the president has a right to show the public that we haven’t gone off the reservation here,” he said. Minnich said he already adheres “to the rules” in his classroom, and only talks about "intelligent design" if a student raises a question. His concern about the letter is that it might be saying he can’t even address questions. Minnich is meeting with White next week to get clarification. "I want to assure him that even if I am a proponent of 'intelligent design,' I’m not using this as part of my curriculum,” Minnich said. “A few times students have raised questions, and I respond, and I state my viewpoint, and make it clear it is my viewpoint and not the consensus.”

Patricia Hartzell, head of the Microbiology, Molecular Biology and Biochemistry Department said she was a little surprised by the letter, because there didn’t seem to be any debate among faculty members. She did note that a student evaluation last year said a lecturer who was just filling in for a semester “might have said something not quite in keeping with strictly an evolutionary background,” but that it normally is not an issue.

Hartzell said that Minnich is “an excellent scientist, and he doesn’t proselytize.” She added that some faculty members might feel a sense of relief just to have the university’s position outwardly stated, especially with what could be an impending media storm around Minnich when he testifies. “We’ve been careful to make sure people aren’t going into the classroom saying, you’ve gotta’ think about 'intelligent design.'” 

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Comments on Drawing a Line in the Academic Sand

  • This is My School and You Must Teach What I say!
  • Posted by Donnell , Civil Engineering (Structures) Graduate at Georgia Instititute of Technology on October 6, 2005 at 5:34am EDT
  • Isn't that amazing? A major university president sending a letter to the bio-physical science faculty saying that they must teach "Evolution" and that's it?

    For a second I thought he was the administrator and this was a public high school district. However, I realized that this was actually a university.

    Intelligent Design is definitely a sketchy issue but some of the foundational principles of Evolution, though widely accepted, are also highly debatable.

    A university is the one place where we hope that students could develop into independent thinkers. If they cannot even discuss the validity of a contentious scientific theory with the faculty in a Bio-Physical Science class then some of that independence is lost.

    It is unfortunate that a public university administration chooses to be one sided instead of allowing competing theories fair exposure. If faculty can't give students all the facts, students will be encouraged to lean in a particular direction.

    Regards, Donnell Duncan, President and Founder, The Cracked Door, "If the Door is Cracked, the Door is Open!"

  • Not About Academic Freedom
  • Posted by Kurt Daw on October 6, 2005 at 8:40am EDT
  • It has been a long time since I have been as proud of my alma mater as I am this morning. President White has drawn the line exactly where it needs to be drawn. Academic freedom does not allow one to teach anything one chooses, and never did. The curriculum belongs to the faculty collectively not to each individual faculty member. Students have a right to an education that represents the discipline in which they are studying fairly. Especially in the sciences where there is a kind of credentialling going on, it is not unreasonable to declare that science needs to be taught in science classrooms. Of course, as the article makes clear, even the professor at the U of I who is a proponent of intellegent design understands this principle. Good for the AAUP for clarifying this.

  • It's about Critical Thinking
  • Posted by Bill Frantz on October 6, 2005 at 9:00am EDT
  • It's unfortunate that the President is missing the point about learning. Our objective as teachers is to give the students the tools with which they can think and decide! Exploring both sides within a crticial thinking process gives the students the tools to decide what is the truth as they see it. Without the ability to discuss and assess the issues, leads to the loss of one's freedom.

  • Posted by jmg , Science is Not a Ministry on October 6, 2005 at 9:21am EDT
  • From another site: ===============================
    Hi Everyone,
    My name is Donnell Duncan and in Atlanta, Georgia we just launched a brand new online ministry called "The Cracked Door" (http://www.thecrackeddoor.com). Here, we promote the Word of God 24 hours a day via the internet. We have a daily column called, "A Daily Walk with God" (http://thecrackeddoor.com/message-main.php?blog=4) and two weekly columns called, "I Am" (http://thecrackeddoor.com/message-main.php?blog=2) and "I Curse Death" (http://thecrackeddoor.com/message-main.php?blog=3).

    We also have a randomly updated column called, "Cutting Edge Prophecy" (http://thecrackeddoor.com/message-main.php?blog=6) and audio clips (http://www.thecrackeddoor.com/message-prophecy.php) of dynamic messages from the Bible. For those who like interaction, each reader can leave a comment after each article and can also join our lively discussion forums (http://www.thecrackeddoor.com/forum/). Check us out today at www.thecrackeddoor.com.
    ================
    Of course, a ministry is properly devoted to spreading the gospel it propounds.

    University science classes, on the other hand, exist to teach critical thinking and how to use the scientific method.

  • Posted by Doug Cey on October 6, 2005 at 9:45am EDT
  • To say that Evolution is “testable and anchored in evidence” is much like saying that "Lord of the Rings" is based on a true story. These statements from the president are based in fear: He is afraid that real scientific investigation will prove beyond any doubt that to believe in evolution requires more faith than to conclude their must be a creator. Then he will have to face the truth about himself; so he hides behind the farce of evolution. I feel bad for the students at the U o I, but worse for this poor soul, lost in darknes and afraid of the light.

  • AAUP Support
  • Posted by David Eberhardt on October 6, 2005 at 10:28am EDT
  • I find it interesting that the AAUP supports the President of Idaho on this issue. While I understand their reasoning about generally accepted scientific ideas, my experience with this organization is that they do not want anyone at anytime infringing on their decisions about classroom curricula. Had the President strongly encouraged science professors to discuss intelligent design when teaching about evolution, I wonder if the AAUP would have reacted differently? My guess is they would have.

  • Posted by John Parodi on October 6, 2005 at 11:03am EDT
  • The Theory of Evolution has two aspects. The first is that the occurrence of is an observed (in the fossil record) and observable
    (in the ever-changing characteristics of disease microbes,
    for example) fact.

    The other aspect is the mechanisms that drive evolution.
    The basic idea is vary-select-inherit but the details of
    the biology, chemistry, and physics involved are indeed
    topics of scientific inquiry and debate.

    Evolution, like any scientific theory, is not "truth." It is
    simply the best available explanation of our observations at
    this time. Riches and fame await the first person who can provide
    a better explanation for those observations.

    But overturning evolution can only be done in a way that conforms
    to the scientific method. That is, any competing theory must,
    at least in principle, be falsifiable. In other words, you have
    to be able to conceive of an experiment whose outcome would
    distinguish between the competing theories.

    Intelligent design is not a scientific theory because no one
    has ever proposed an experiment that could falisify it. (Note
    that the notion of "irreducable complexity" is an example of the
    well known fallacy of "argument from incredulity" -- and that the
    appearance of every "irreduceably complex" biological feature proposed
    so far has been explained within the current understanding of
    the Theory of Evolution.)

    Intelligent Design is equivalent to an assertion
    that the motion of the planets is determined by angels who push
    them around in their orbits. Both ID and the "Angel Theory of Planetary
    Motion" may be true. But this is because we can think of no experimental
    outcome that would tell us whether they are right or wrong. And this
    is precisely why neither theory belongs in a science course.

    It is rather amazing to me that any high school graduate could fail
    to understand what is and is not science. But failure to understand
    this point certainly ought to disqualify one from helping to decide what
    goes into a science curriculum.

  • Conserving resources
  • Posted by A.D. , Faculty at Little college on October 6, 2005 at 11:24am EDT
  • As regular Darwinist and lapsed Catholic -- let me suggest some other issues to consider before the pseudo-controversy of ID --

    * Graduation rates for colleges, public & private.

    * Student debt loads.

    * Lack of overall intellectual diversity (1% in soft-sciences, 50% in hard-sciences).

    * Stagnant U.S. student performance v. Chindia.

    Aren't there bigger issues to consider than ID?

  • Sola Darwinia?
  • Posted by ClioSmith , Associate Professor at Trinity Bible College on October 6, 2005 at 11:24am EDT
  • The principles of natural selection as lucidly explained by Darwin are essential not only to life in the past, but life in the present. As I like to tell my students, none of us could live without evolution. It was the strongest (or among the strongest) of a few million sperm that fertilized the egg we were conceived from, and the other sperms all died. Natural selection is going on this very moment inside our guts and our bloodstreams. When we get sick with an infection or virus, we trust that the evolutionary processes within our system will provide remedies for what is ailing us. Natural selection and its cousin, human-directed selection, are the processes that have supplied the lovely cafeteria food I eat most every day. And I don't mean that as a slap against evolution--or cafeteria food. The delicacies at the Olive Garden and the French Bistro downtown also come by way of principles elegantly described in Darwin's Origin of Species.

    So, we have a marvelously adaptive theory that illumines many corners of knowledge. It would be sheer folly to evict it from the classroom. "Antievolutionism," as outright denial of the processes Darwin identified, should regarded as a woeful error, indeed a transgression against learning. I'd endorse the censure of any public university professor--in any discipline--who flat-out denied the realities described in the above paragraph.

    That said, I often wonder about folks who demand the virtual deification of evolution, to the extent that no facet of physical reality is allowed to testify to any other avenue of form or descent. Do they really think that Darwinian evolution, apart from any and all preceding intelligence, can create a universe, tune it to a state of great readiness, bring living entities from nonliving matter, and equip some of those entities with enough brains to be the President of the University of Idaho? I guess they do. And judging by the current debates, a lot of them are determined to make that position a primary dogma in academia. And to make publicly questioning it a cardinal sin.

    Best,

  • ID = Infallible Drogulus?
  • Posted by jmg on October 6, 2005 at 11:28am EDT
  • The Oxford University Press offers a daily "weird word of the day" by e-mail. Today's happened to be this, which was a happy coincidence given the ongoing discussion of the "intelligent designer" who has no detectable physical effects:

    drogulus [DRAH-gyuh-lus]

    Something the presence of which cannot be verified, usually a disembodied being, because it has no physical effects. Coined by the philosopher A. J. Ayer, possibly by association with dragon.

  • Let Students Think for Themselves
  • Posted by Donnell , Civil Engineering (Structures) Graduate at Georgia Instititute of Technology on October 6, 2005 at 12:23pm EDT
  • I would like to respond to the comments made in several earlier posts, including those made by jmg.

    If you carefully read my initial post you will recognize that I did not pick sides concerning the science of evolution versus ID.

    All I asked for is that students be given the opportunity to make their own decisions. If the science proves one and disproves the other, then go ahead and show that to the students?

    However, completely ignoring one theory in favor of another limits the student's ability to critically evaluate the subject in question.

    By the way, thanks jmg, for doing the background research on me and I always welcome informed responses to the exact words written in my comments. (smile)

    Regards, Donnell Duncan, Founder and President, The Cracked Door, "If the Door is Cracked, the Door is Open"

  • Think
  • Posted by Kevin , Undergraduate on October 6, 2005 at 1:14pm EDT
  • The arguement that people should think for themselves is fine and well, but there is a difference between needing to think for yourself and needing to be taught all opinions in hard sciences. Science, unlike the humanities, is not terribly contingent on opinions or "dogma" - its statements are based on empiricle evidence - at the moment, ID proponents are offering philosophy, not empiricle evidence, which seems to make the thought more appropriate to a philosophy course.

    It concerns me that ID proponents start asking if thing sound plausible to you, as though an intuitive reaction to a statement establishes fact. If and when there is proof to your beliefs, I don't doubt scientists will be willing to discuss it with you, but simply saying that all (or at least your) opinion needs to be taught is absurd.

  • Posted by Andrew Purvis on October 6, 2005 at 1:50pm EDT
  • I was recently engaged in a discussion about ID with the creator of a blog on he subject. I, an English intructor with no experience in any life sciences, managed to pose questions regarding ID that the author of a book and founder of a minor blog could not answer.

    In response to one of my questions, he indicated that the elevation of evolution to a scientific law (beyond theory) was the only method by which ID could be falsified. At that point, he spent a long paragraph pointing out the wonders of the world and telling me that God made it all for me. He followed that with scriptural citations and quotes to "prove" (internally) the accuracy of biblical prophecy.

    I am a former Sunday School teacher and youth group leader. I will attend church or hold discussions with my friends who are in the business of studying the bible when I want that. Keep it out science classes.

    Now, if students want to hold that discussion in my English class, it's a whole new ball game. I will not only allow the discussion—with strict rules governing respectful behavior—I will encourage it. I have no reason to refuse disccussion of a hypothesis that stands (almost) in opposition to a theory.

  • Assumptions make science fun
  • Posted by Donnell , Civil Engineering (Structures) Graduate at Georgia Instititute of Technology on October 6, 2005 at 2:40pm EDT
  • I would like to respond to some comments made concerning my post about a university student's freedom to think critically.

    First, let's make this clear, we are talking about ID and not creation! Creation involves all the scripture quoting, ID does not.

    Second, I do not discount scientific evidence. In fact, I think that the use of science to disprove incorrect theories can strengthen the scientific thinker.

    For instance, while I pursued my degree in Physics I participated in a research project at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory.

    The project involved the development of a Rotating Polarimeter that could be used to detect the Cosmic Microwave Background. This evidence would further strengthen the argument for the Big Bang.

    While presenting my findings from the project, the question arose from another scientist concerning my belief in creation. I responded by pointing out that my personal beliefs did not disprove the scientific facts that I presented.

    In a high school, I am all for giving students only evolution if that's all that can be proven. However, in a university, students should be allowed the liberty to discuss competing theories.

    I don't dispute evidence and I am a scientist just like many proponents of evolution. I also agree with the concept of Natural Selection and Selective Adaptation.

    However, the questions that are left after accepting all of these theories are still vaild questions. Let the university science students get a chance to ask these questions and find answers.

    Regards, Donnell Duncan, Founder and President, The Cracked Door, "If the Door is Cracked, the Door is Open."

  • It's not about thinking
  • Posted by Andrew Purvis on October 6, 2005 at 4:09pm EDT
  • I've seen too many comments here suggesting that a hypothesis should be taught in science classes. Note that one test ID fails when attempting to move from hypothesis to theory is falsifiability.

    The scientific method works in this way:

    An observation of the physical universe leads to the formulation of a hhypothesis. That hypothesis gets tested using an experiment that can, depending on its results and the structure of the hypothesis, reasonably prove the hypothesis false. Observations of experimental data are then evaluated and used to support, alter, or refute the original hypothesis.

    No one has yet proposed, much less performed, an experiment to test the hypothesis of ID. When I took physics in high school, the teacher would have been irresponsible to suggest that the speed of light was provably not a constant, yet a few years ago, Australian scientists presented observations that suggest precisely that. Science is about asking questions. Science classes (text books and lectures) are about showing what is known or strongly supported by evidence. ID misses on every point.

  • My Point Has Been Proven
  • Posted by Donnell , Civil Engineering (Structures) Graduate at Georgia Instititute of Technology on October 6, 2005 at 5:49pm EDT
  • Quote from my previous post; Second, I do not discount scientific evidence. In fact, I think that the use of science to disprove incorrect theories can strengthen the scientific thinker.

    Thank you Andrew, you just proved my point. You used the scientific method to prove that ID does not fit into science.

    That's exactly what a science college professor can conclude after broaching a discussion on ID versus Evolution in the classroom!

    You supported my last post and I appreciate it. I could not have said it better myself. (smile)

    Regards, Donnell Duncan, Founder and President, The Cracked Door, "If the Door is Cracked, the Door is Open"

  • Evolution vs Creation
  • Posted by JD on October 6, 2005 at 6:03pm EDT
  • This is a perpetual debate to which I see no resolve. Neither side can 100% absolutley without question prove their "Theory". If you can not prove it then it should not be presented as the only option or fact. I agree with some of the comments that the academic community should present students with all of the information and research that exists and allow them to think for themselves and make their own decisions. Once you can provide 100% indisputable evicence, then you can teach it as fact, until then don't limit the academic freedom of students on your campus.

  • Posted by anonymous, of course on October 6, 2005 at 6:04pm EDT
  • Needless to say this is a dark day for the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (google us!) We have more than a few adherents in Idaho, and our efforts to encourage a science curriculum which would give a fair hearing to all sides have now received a rude and uncalled-for setback. Obviously President White is afraid that real scientific investigation will prove beyond any doubt that we are all creatures of His Noodly Appendage.

    It is unfortunate that a public university administration chooses to be one sided instead of allowing competing theories fair exposure. Exploring all sides within a critical thinking process gives the students the tools to decide what is the truth as they see it. Completely ignoring one theory in favor of others limits the student’s ability to critically evaluate the subject in question. Let the university science students get a chance to ask these questions and find answers!

  • What questions?
  • Posted by Robert on October 6, 2005 at 6:50pm EDT
  • Donnell writes:

    'I don’t dispute evidence and I am a scientist just like many proponents of evolution. I also agree with the concept of Natural Selection and Selective Adaptation.

    'However, the questions that are left after accepting all of these theories are still vaild questions. Let the university science students get a chance to ask these questions and find answers.'

    Which questions are 'left over'? If they're empirical questions then they might well be addressed in a biology class; but in addressing them there is no need to bring ID into the picture; and if ID has nothing empirical to say, what is the point of pairing it off against current evolutionary biology?

    If the further questions are about the meaning and purpose of human life, the source of values, or why there is something rather than nothing, for example, they are not amenable to empirical resolution and are best taken up in other courses, or in the coffee shop, or a congenial bar. Even though scientists and students in the sciences may be interested in them, they are not, for all of that, scientific questions.

  • Posted by Andrew Purvis on October 6, 2005 at 9:16pm EDT
  • If the sole purpose for bringing ID up in class is to prove that it has no scientific value, it has no place in the classroom. The only point that proves is that ID should not be taught in the classroom.

    If Donell Duncan represents, in any way, the current state of scientific inquiry, it is a dark day science. I would like to invite Mr. Duncan to take one of my college composition courses in which we discuss fallacies. He may find it eenlightening.

    JD also misses the point. This is not an issue of limiting students' academic freedoms. Exposure to untestable hypotheses is not only bad science, it is bad education. A hypothesis is not the same as a theory, and JD (among others) would do well to remember that simple fact. Furthermore, the only things that are 100% provable in science are those things we call laws. It may seem, to some, that I am splitting linguistic hairs here, but if I am, these are hairs commonly split by, and quite important to, real scientists.

    The problem still remains that ID proposes an unfalsifiable hypothesis to explain the first cell (one that contains DNA and RNA and can thus self-replicate and reproduce). Evolution proposes a falsifiable and tested theory regarding how plant and animal life develops over time, adapting and changing through the millennia. This exposes both key problems with the inclusion of ID in the classroom: first, it is a hypothesis and is thus not suited to the science classroom; second, it does not speak to the issues its proponents claim.

    Until ID supporters start using logic, reason, and sound thinking rather than fallacies, we must recognize that it is not the just door that is cracked.

  • Laws
  • Posted by Kenny , student on October 7, 2005 at 4:39am EDT
  • Andrew said: The only things that are 100% provable in science are those things we call laws.

    Unfortunately, this isn't the case. Proof basically only exists in mathematics. There's no real difference between a "law" and a "theory" in science. They're both just good explanations for the world, and one term rather than the other is used mainly for historical reasons.

    Science is not about the presentation of "facts" - it's about explaining our observations of the world. We don't have access to the underlying facts. But just like a jury in a trial, scientists have to find the best explanation for all the pieces of evidence that have been gathered. We can't "prove" evolution any more than we can "prove" that JFK was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald. All we can do is give convincing evidence that this is the case, and show that other attempted explanations are no good. Intelligent Design is like rejecting the Oswald theory by saying "it can't be proven he was shot by Oswald, therefore we should teach the alternative theory that Malcolm X did it and give the students both sides of the story".

  • Posted by Kenny , student on October 7, 2005 at 4:39am EDT
  • Kevin - please don't call Intelligent Design "philosophy". Philosophy is about explaining the world and making convincing arguments. Intelligent Design is about substituting non-explanations for explanations ("the reason there is intelligence in the world is because an intelligent designer decided there should be - don't ask where the designer came from!") and ignoring evidence.

    There are plenty of gaps in evolutionary theory (just as there are in gravitational theory, and every other part of science). But intelligent design takes a naively Popperian view and thinks this falsifies the entire project of evolutionary biology. Instead, we need to investigate things like the nature of units of selection (genes, individuals, or groups?), the particular historical forms evolution takes (gradualism or punctuated equilibrium?), and the particular evolutionary histories of different species (what drove the ancestors of whales into the water? why is the panda's thumb so poorly adapted for its job?) Intelligent design ignores all these questions and replaces them with a "theory" that explains nothing.

  • Kenny
  • Posted by Kevin , Undergraduate on October 7, 2005 at 11:25am EDT
  • Actually, there are a number of philosophy departments that I have considered or do have offering based on intelligent design thoughts.

    I'm not sure that they are wrong to do so and I'm not sure it would be a good idea to jump to the conclusion that they are.

    Philosophy often tries to explain using logic and intuition rather than empirical evidence - which is basically what the intelligent design advocates have done - created a rudimentary natural philosophy.

    As science, it may be invalid - but as a philosophical concept, the discussion is not without merit. It just is important not to confuse the two.

  • Donnell Duncan
  • Posted by Arthur Ide, PhD, MD, DA at Lima, Peru on October 24, 2005 at 11:18am EDT
  • Mr. Duncan is a theologian, not a scientist. Rather than spend his time on academic pursuits, Duncan spends his time (by his own admission: "24 hours a day") on "spreading the gospel." But what gospel? The gospels are suspect at best, with none being written at the time of the alleged Jesus of Nazareth, nor within a reasonable amount of time after his "death" (which has no foundation in history or historical recores; the reference to Josepheus at weak, and those to Tacitus are spurious).

    The Creation narrative of Genesis is a bad plagarism of far more ancient documents, including the famed Gilgamesh, and various Babylonian texts. The same is the case with the plagarism of both Old and New Testament tracts, with very little being authentic or scientifically valid--much in the same manner that the infamous Shroud of Turin has been scientifically proven to be a hoax.

    It is time to turn to science and leave religion for itself and those who do not want to investigate, learn, or understand.