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February 27, 2006

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Google’s quest to “organize the world’s information” is supposed to make life easier.  But the issues surrounding the company’s book search program have complicated many academics' views of copyright, because they involve many nuances surrounding security, infrastructure and compensation.

While the project, which is currently released online in beta version, is dividing academe, some professors are trying to find common ground. On Friday, the American Enterprise Institute-Brookings Joint Center for Regulatory Studies hosted a lively discussion on Google’s process for implementing the controversial program.

In December 2004, the company reached an agreement with Harvard and Stanford Universities, the Universities of Michigan and Oxford, and the New York Public Library to digitally scan millions of their books, including many that are copyrighted. Ever since the plans were unfurled, many publishers have been angry, with some arguing that the federal copyright laws do not allow for such digitization. 

In August 2005, the company made a move to pacify publishers, by saying it wouldn’t scan copyrighted books until November to give “any and all copyright holders” time to tell Google “which books they’d prefer that we not scan if we find them in a library.” In September, the Authors Guild filed a class action against the company, saying that only copyright holders should have the right to decide how their works are copied.

Google has since gone forward with its plans and many books -- and portions of books -- are now just a few mouse clicks away.

At Friday's event, Hal R. Varian, a professor of economics and founding dean of the School of Information Management Systems at the University of California at Berkeley, said that the Google project is fulfilling an important service by helping people find texts, oftentimes those that have been out of print for decades. Varian noted that he has previously consulted for the company on issues he said were unrelated to the book search program.

Doug G. Lichtman, a law professor at the University of Chicago, while agreeing that the program is technologically “amazing,” said that Google unfairly puts a burden on copyright holders by forcing them to have to contact the company to “opt out” if they do not want their books included in the search database. “We’ve got to draw some careful lines,” he said, arguing that the company “shouldn’t get everything in its interest.” He also asked why the onus should fall on authors or publishers to “opt out” to make sure that Google’s search system isn’t allowing third parties to unlawfully use their works.

Google does make limited parts of copyrighted texts available online unless an author or publisher contacts the company to pull the book from its searchable list. Google searchers can also see a “sample pages view” if an author or publisher has given the company permission, or a “full book view” if the book is out of copyright. In all cases, notes Google, one sees a “buy this book” link on the screen next to the book search results, which points readers to online bookstores.

One audience member, who works in the file-sharing technology field, said that it would be relatively easy for a company like his to quickly piece together snippets of the books until entire chapters or texts were available online.  

Lichtman said that Google has done a poor job at thinking through such “security” issues. He also said that radio stations have developed an effective infrastructure for asking artists and recording companies for permission to play their songs, and he said that a clearinghouse should be created that would put the onus on Google and any other Web-based company to ask permission before displaying any portions of books.

Varian said that it would be costly for Google to have to find every copyright holder, and said that it “would be crazy” if Google had to ask every Web site for permission to include its information in the search engine. Google is “helping people to find works,” he said. At the same time, he said he wouldn’t be surprised if the company supported a “rights clearinghouse” system in the future.

Lichtman responded that Google needs to be part of a clearinghouse solution “right now,” before publishers and authors lose money due to copyright and security issues.

Edward Timberlake, who said he works at the U.S. Copyright Office, noted that after Google scans a portion of a book from one of the libraries it has teamed with, an electronic version of the work is provided back to the institution. “What’s happening with that copy?” Timberlake asked. He said that the libraries are doing “a lot of stuff” with those electronic versions that authors and publishers don’t believe they have permission to do. He said it would be interesting to see whether that issue comes to be argued in court.

“Librarians doing something illegal with their copies is wrong,” said Varian. But he argued that the fault would lie with the individual library involved, not with Google.

Both Lichtman and Varian agreed that the Google book program could bring about huge benefits for society, but that new technology often brings about new challenges when it comes to copyright law.

Near the conclusion of the discussion, a reporter asked Robert W. Hahn, executive director of the American Enterprise Institute-Brookings Joint Center for Regulatory Studies, whether the organization sought permission from copyright holders to use Google’s logo and cartoon images of books and a computer screen on a Power Point presentation that was prepared as a backdrop for the session.

“I’ll withhold my response,” he said, to laughter from the audience.

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Comments on Google's Not-So-Simple Side

  • There they go again
  • Posted by Retired Prof on February 27, 2006 at 9:50am EST
  • What the.....?

    Why on earth would Google simpley assume it has the right to copy a work owned by another individual? I worked at an institution of higher education for over 30 years and dealt with copyright issues all the time. (I always had a copy in my desk drawer, for reference.) On the one hand, the copyright law is the only section of the constitution that states a reason for being -- "To promote science and the useful arts..." On the other hand, U.S. law gives copyright owners the exclusive right to make and distribute copies, with exceptions for teaching, research, and public commentary. As far as I know, there have been no constitutional challenges to this law, so it stands as written.

    Google is a public company whose objective is profit and, while it may be doing something that promotes science and the useful arts, it does hope to make money. I am astounded at their arrogance and hope they get the pants sued off of them.

  • Access
  • Posted by Kevin , Undergraduate on February 27, 2006 at 11:02am EST
  • This will be very helpful for allowing much greater access to texts.

    As for the concerns about people piecing together books bit by bit, it would be alot easier to just go to a library and use a photocopier. What prevents someone from doing that? (Its certainly alot less than stops them from taking from Google.)

    The whole books that are online will be ones where the copyright has expired - which means that no one has a legal right to prevent it from being posted. This may be the best feature - access to older texts that may be hard to find in print, especially at a reasonable price.

  • Misguided protests
  • Posted by L. Shlensky on February 27, 2006 at 12:30pm EST
  • It's astounding to me that publishers are so vehemently objecting to Google's plans, which stand to benefit them enormously. If I know which books contain information I need because I've done a Google search for key terms, I am likely to buy these books or to request that my library buy them. The copyright issue is a red herring: Google is not redistributing these books, except when given permission by the publisher. The company is merely letting readers gain access to a comprehensive index of words and phrases that the books contain. This is of great benefit, in an age of information overload, to readers who simply cannot keep up with advertising circulars that publishers vainly hope will serve to announce a deluge of new (and older) releases. Of course Google is making money by providing this service; we consumers are getting in exchange a new and much needed service that takes away nothing from the owners of copyrights.

  • Google Legislature
  • Posted by Christine Valada, Esq. on February 27, 2006 at 12:30pm EST
  • How nice that Google has surplanted Congress as the institution which can make laws regarding copyright. The last time I looked, what Google is doing doesn't constitute fair use and is surplanting the market for books which are still under copyright protection. Copyright gives the author the right to authorize copies. If what Google is doing isn't making copies, I don't know wha it is. If they haven't looked lately, Napster and the ilk all got in trouble for doing the same thing with music. You can't build your brand using illegal tactics. I do not have to "opt out" of what Google is doing, they have to ask me permission to use my work and I have the right to say no. Tough that they might have to do due dilligence and clearance.

    I wholeheartedly support the American Publishers Association and their allies in the effort to stop this wholesale attempt at theft.

    By the way NO ONE objects to works which have fallen into the public domain being preserved this way. Libraries have long had the right to preserve works that are out of print (but not out of copyright protection) by making a single copy of a work they already own. But there are lots of living authors and estates who could benefit from sales of works which are out of print but are not going to generate enough income to interest a publisher. When Google offers to pay royalties per hit, I'm sure a lot of authors will be happy to sign on. Until then...

  • Posted by Larry on February 27, 2006 at 12:35pm EST
  • Retired Prof, Two points. First of all, Google’s use might come under the doctrine of “fair use” which attempts to reconcile the first amendment with the “useful arts” clause. But since I am no IP expert, I will simply state that the issue is not at all clear.

    Secondly, while the second amendment is vague, it does provide a reason for its existence. (“being necessary to the security of a free state”).

  • Posted by math prof on February 27, 2006 at 2:25pm EST
  • See the article "Everything to Everyone",
    where this issue is being addressed and where there are a number of comments from readers (including one from me).

    There is a link to that article at the top of this one.

  • Google's Not-So-Simple Side
  • Posted by Gary Carlson on February 27, 2006 at 3:30pm EST
  • It's clear that Google (and presumably their cohorts in the academic library community) respects neither copyright law, nor authors and publishers' long-standing rights to control distribution of their work. Does this mean that Google will not object to anyone accessing and distributing their proprietary programs and codes? It does appear that they have become masters of the double standard (witness their motto and recent actions related to China).

    On another point, there are many wives, children and others who represent deceased authors (whose copyright is still active), authors who are disabled, or authors who have moved on to other vocations or avocations who are not conversant or current on copyright law and recent events involving Google. Through lack of action on their part should they automatically lose control of copyrighted works to Google?

  • Posted by Larry on February 27, 2006 at 4:05pm EST
  • Mr. Carlson,

    Nobody is losing control of anything. A holder of a copyright is free to seek an injunction and/or damages against Google, and a copyright lawyer is a phonecall away.

    Google’s practices indicate that they “respect” the law, but they might interpret it in a different way than you would. They have never disobeyed an injunction, and my guess is that they spend a lot more time figuring out what they think the law means, then you do.

  • Back at you, Larry...
  • Posted by Retired Prof on February 28, 2006 at 4:35am EST
  • Google's copying of works not in the public domain would not stand the test of fair use. To qualify for fair use the copying needs to have some basis in the curriculum, i.e., it must be done in support of some specific objective of a lesson. Commercial, non-educational entities have, to date in case law, no standing to make copies. Any copying must meet the four requirements of fair use as read into the congressional record back in the 1970's when VCRs first made video copying easy to do.

    Now, you might say that Google is simply doing the copying for teachers. That argument has never held up. The copying must be done by or at the direction of a teacher. A media department could not, say, tape a network program in anticipation that a teacher would want to use it in class; the teacher must make the request.

    There are all kinds of guidelines for various media out there that meet the requirements of the law and were agreed upon by publishers and the educational community, e.g., Association of Media Producers, ALA, etc. Google's actions don't really fit any of them. They can't just grab another's intellectual property and reproduce it as they like any more than they could snatch your sandwich out of your hand, just because it's a simple process to do.

    For a good overview (and specifics, should you want to delve into it) the University of Texas has an excellent site that explains the ins and outs of copyright from a teacher's perspective. So does the University of Indiana at Indianapolis, with a site containing content overseen by Ken Crews, perhapst the foremost legal mind (he is a lawyer) in the land regarding copyright. Crews is also a university professor. A couple of other sites that would be useful to explore are the North Carolina State University Copyright primer and the Dow, Lohns, and Albertson law firm of Washington, D.C.,which handles many copyright and media issues. D.C. I've included links, below.

    http://www.copyright.iupui.edu/

    http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/scc/tutorial/

    http://www.utsystem.edu/ogc/intellectualproperty/copypol2.htm

    http://www.dlalaw.com/site/list_1.asp?section=4&subsection=3&seqa=0&seqb=0&seqc=0&PgId=500

  • back at me ?
  • Posted by Larry on February 28, 2006 at 9:45am EST
  • Retired, Generally I don’t look on websites unless specific cases are cited (too much “junk” from the web is found on them). Your cites, being from academe might be better than Geocities, but I have learned the hard way not to take the risk. Since you didn’t provide any actual citations, I think that it behooves as, as Americans to trace the statutes at issue. 17 USC 107 is the statutory provision for fair use, which comes from the 1976 Copyright Act. It is incredibly vague. Why? Because it is a codification of, ironically, a trial court’s decision (by Justice Story) Folsom v. Marsh, 9 F.Cas. 342 (CCD Mass. 1841).

    At the time trial Circuit Courts often sat as trial courts, and Supreme Court Justices would sometimes sit on the trial courts. Luckily, in Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, 510 US 569 (1994), 2 Live Crew, forced the Supreme Court to shed some light on the issue – at least is the parody context. First, the court acknowledged that the legislative history of the copyright act reveals that it is intended to be a codification of the doctrine. The court then went to explain how, original ideas are hard to come by, any borrowing must be analyzed on a case-by-case basis.

    Many, “guidelines” for the media are nothing more than research by counsel for certain clients, or overly-cautious pronouncements from people that fear lawsuits. But, Google doesn’t necessarily want to be cautious. Perhaps they are big enough to conclude that the potential damages that they might pay out are bigger than the business they will get will overshadow any lawsuits (in which they think they will ultimately be victorious). Whatever the case, these are difficult issues, which the holders of the copyrights should address themselves, and not just condemn Google for taking an aggressive position on.

    At some point, however, the courts will resolve whether Google is infringing or not. Until then, you are just stating the position of clients that you don’t have.

  • To Larry
  • Posted by Retired Prof on March 2, 2006 at 4:35am EST
  • Larry:
    Apologies for my last title being obtuse. “Back at you” is an idiom for “I am replying to you.”

    The copyright resource sites I mentioned are well reasoned and well designed guides created by institutions of higher education from which faculty members can determine whether or not their actions fall within copyright law boundries as we currently know them. The sites are either reviewed or created by campus legal departments or faculty. You won't find any academic detrius on them. You really should give them a look if you are interested in copyright in academia and not dismiss them out of hand. I certainly wouldn't dismiss the credentials of Ken Crews at IUPUI. The sites mentioned don't deal much in a discussion of case law but that is not their purpose; they are faculty guides for practical applications based on case law.

    You are absolutely correct. The copyright law of 1976 is incredibly vague, as are the four criteria for fair use, and offers little in the way of hard and fast tests for academics. The Digital Millennium Copyright act does clear some things up a bit, but still leaves others a bit murky.

    The case law you cited might not be the closest analogy to the Google flap one could use for this issue, as it involves a "parody" defense (part of the first consideration for fair use). Clearly, Google is not making an attempt a levity or social comment. That case you cited is, actually, Acuff-Rose Music Inc. v. Campbell a/k/a/ Luke Skywalker and Others (1991:1992). Acuff-Rose claimed that 2 Live Crew's comedic version of "Oh Pretty Woman" attempted to ride the song's popularity to riches. 2 Live Crew had informed Acuff-Rose in advance that it intended to do the parody and that the authors and publishing company would be credited for the work. (Nice of them, since that is a legal requirement.) The group also said it would pay the going rate for the use of the work. Acuff-Rose denied the group the use of the song and sued. 2 Live Crew depostited about $14,000 in escrow for the amount it figured it owed the publisher under statutes. The court then applied section 107 of the copyright law (the fair use section) and deemed that the group's use qualified as fair use and granted the defendent's motion for summary judgement.

    But the above case is quite unlike the one we have under discussion. A more similar candidate would be Encyclopedia Britannica v. Crooks, 3, Med. Law Rptr. 1945 (W.D. N.Y. 1978) in which the plaintiffs successfully sued an educational entity. The Erie County School Board videotaped programs off-air from a local educational channel and distributed them to schools in the district. Erie County copied many things, but the one they were “busted” for was a film owned by EB Corp. and Time Warner. Erie County lost. An injunction and, if I remember my reading from those years, a judgement may have been set against it.

    The Erie County Board of Cooperative Educational Services (BOCES) had been copying films since 1968, openly distributing catalogues of the films, and making them available to public school teachers. They had video equipment worth one-half million dollars and from five to eight employees to make multiple copies of programs they recorded off-air. In just two years, BOCES distributed around 10,000 videotapes! BOCES had a license or two, but for the almost all films copied it did not. BOCES simply figured what they were doing was fair use.

    Fair Use (Section 107) incorporates four tests: (And these are directly from my copy of the copyright law, except for text in parentheses, which are my comments.)

    1. The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for non-profit educational purposes. (And parody, commentary, and news gathering are considered allowable purposes.)

    2. The nature of the copyrighted work. (An example of “nature” would be making copies of a workbook for class. It is a consumable material, meant to be used and discarded, so copying would be quickly frowned upon.)
    3. The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole.

    4. The effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

    Keep in mind you must meet all four conditions in order for copying to be considered fair use.

    1. Google’s use is commercial. There is no question they are a commercial enterprise whose purpose is not to provide information, but to make money from providing information, much as television programs are merely something to fill the black spaces between commercials. Even for profit educational institutions do not qualify. Google has lost the battle in round one.

    2. Nature of the works? I’m not sure how the court will look at this factor.

    3. Google may be doing partial works or whole works. But even if they are doing partial works, what they copy may be judged “substantial.” Here’s what has been legally explained to me. If a teacher copies only the final scene from Citizen Kane (“Rosebud!”, only a few seconds worth) to display in class, but the attourneys argue and the judge deems that that one scene is the essence of the film that ties all themes together, makes the critical literary point, and is the seminal moment, the copier would not qualify under fair use. Google could do that. Then again, they may not, but they’ve already violated item one of fair use. If Google copies all or large portions or critical information contained in works that is the very thing for which people purchase the book, they have not met fair use. I don’t know if they have or will, but you can believe the lawyers will be arguing this point. And with so many works to be copied, the lawyers are almost bound to win a few of these.

    4. The publishers and authors will have to demonstrate that what Google copied deprived them of revenue to make this point. However, no one I know of has successfully argued that putting illegally copied works on display has added to the financial well being of the offended party.

    Again, all four tests must be met, not just one, two, or three.

    The similarity between BOCES and Google is that they both copied (or want to copy) large numbers of works, wholesale, and distribute them widely without seeking a license. BOCES had a leg up on Google in that it was an educational institution, and even then it couldn’t beat the rap. Google could afford to license via an agreement similar to BMI or ASCAP or SESAC licensing.

    Now, the particular media guidelines I mentioned in my last post are much more than “…research by counsel for certain clients…” While the guidelines undoubtedly contained research by corporation counselors, they were negotiated and agreed upon by producers and educational users. (Producers don’t really want to sue us; they want to sell us their stuff.) Take, for example, the guidelines for off-air recording, which have been in effect for a bit over 25 years. The educator can tape any off-air program, use it in class for up to ten days and then, use it a second time for reinforcement (say, in a media center), and keep it for forty-five days for evaluation, at which time one must make a decision whether to purchase the program or erase it. The producers have given and gained something and the educators have done the same. It works for both parties. Neither probably likes the situation fully, but both can live with it.
    I don’t think the copyright holders are kicking up an out of proportion fuss at all. Remember, copyright gives the copyright holder the exclusive right to make and distribute copies (or enter into agreements to have these actions done for them – a license). If they condemn Google, well, condemn away, and probably rightfully so. I imagine if you wrote an extremely popular book that was the basis of your income, you would take it as an affront if someone made copies to distribute without your consent.

    I’m afraid you’ve got it wrong when you say, “…you are just stating the position of clients you don’t have.” It almost sounds as if you believe I am a lawyer; I am not. (And I have no clients.) I am – rather, was – simply the person on campus to whom people came to consult with on copyright issues (as one of my duties) for over 35 years. No, I’m not a lawyer but I’ve been following these issues for a long time, reading about them, consulting with lawyers and other experts, watching cases, and issuing judgements on what actions my institution would take.

    Lastly, because of my long experience, I know you are soooooooooooo right when you say, “At some point, however, the courts will resolve whether Google is infringing or not.” You've found the crux of the matter. No matter what logic you or I may follow, it still comes down to the judge, and that’s always been the scary part. No one really knows what’s going to happen.

  • Posted by Larry on March 2, 2006 at 11:55am EST
  • Retired,

    The reason I think that the 2 Live Crew case is the best authority on the issue is that it is, as far as I know, the best guidance the Supreme Court has given us. But, in doing so, it pointed out that the Copyright Act’s fair use provision is, itself, a codification of the Supreme Court’s doctrine of fair use, which is an attempt to balance the 1st Amendment and the Copyright clause. So, while it may be that Congress attempted a more “aggressive” (or “pro-originator”) interpretation of the doctrine, Google, and anyone else would be able to avail themselves of the more “pure” constitutional doctrine without any deference being paid to Congress. For this reason, the views of a judge in the Western District of New York don’t bind anyone, though they may provide helpful guidance.

    The guidelines you mention, even if negotiated by parties with differing parties, still don’t bind any court.

    Now, I appreciate that you have been advising people on copyright issues. Indeed, I have not. I only rarely deal with IP issues in my position. But, I should note that not everyone seeks a cautious interpretation of the law. For better or worse, many in academe take the view that laws are there to be hid behind, and using the law to justify no action is a good choice. (I see this all the time on here with people talking about the FERPA). But, outside academe, lawyers may write aggressive “tax” and “civil liberties” opinions, arguing that nothing is taxable an individuals have no rights. In extreme cases, putting these opinions into writing, and charging for it, may be unethical, but that is another issue.

    This is probably what happened with Google. Google took the statute, the 2 Live Crew Case, and decided that what it was doing came within the bounds of fair use. To be extra careful, it probably assigned a couple people to field complaints, and remove things from the web if someone offered a cogent reason why THEIR rights were being violated. Google is often at war with various trade associations and others, but I am unsure whether Google could afford to license things where Google’s viewship is so great.

  • You're Right Again, Larry
  • Posted by Retired Prof on March 2, 2006 at 8:20pm EST
  • You are insightful in your observation that most folks at educational institutions are very -- perhaps too -- cautious regarding copyright. I was, at first, but as I learned about the law as I aged (some would say, "decomposed) I discovered what could and could not be done. One of my better strategies? When in doubt, ask. You cannot believe how cooperative some publishers/authors can be when you just ask to make copies. In most cases they will not even require any payment. The trick is to be very specific about what you intend to do. I mention this strategy to some people and they say, "Gee. I never thought of that."

    I suspect folks get overly cautious because they would very much like not to put on their CV under, "reason for leaving last position" the phrase, "Involved university in 55 bazillion dollar lawsuit." I can understand.

    I do know this. If we copy indiscriminately from the works of people who depend on their IP for their livlihood, we run the risk that the pool of creative talent will no longer produce the work we very much want to use.

    Let's see what the courts say, eh Larry?

  • Google's strategy
  • Posted by Larry on March 4, 2006 at 12:35pm EST
  • My guess is that Google will be able to head of a lot of litigation by 1) showing authors how it restricts access to most of its texts (in fact, people discuss ways to “hack” google on message boards and lists so that they can download the whole book); and 2) removing the books upon request. In fact, I am pretty sure that Google, when faced with someone with a valid copyright will back down in that case alone, or try and convince them that their controls are tight enough that people will read pages from their book and be convinced to buy the whole one.