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May 8, 2006

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Sallie Mae received the full "60 Minutes" treatment Sunday night, in a segment that highlighted criticism that the student loan giant profits on the backs of students and taxpayers.

The issues raised in the segment (some highlights of which are available on the CBS show's Web site) wouldn't surprise anyone who has kept an eye on student-loan debates over the last decade. But by focusing on individual borrowers, the show put human faces on the issues -- and reached many millions more than the reports that policy analysts regularly release on loan policy.

The show gave several examples of borrowers who were shocked to find how much greater their loan repayments were than the sums they borrowed. Each of these borrowers also had various difficulties that the show portrayed Sallie Mae as being "unforgiving" in handling. One student found himself unemployed, another was diagnosed with an illness, and a third lost his home in an earthquake.

Sallie Mae was described as refusing to help these borrowers, one of whom helped create a Web site, Student Loan Justice, that criticizes the lending industry. One expert interviewed by Lesley Stahl described student borrowers as being "served up like turkeys at a Thanksgiving dinner."

The show also made hay of the fact that the company's chairman and former chief executive, Albert L. Lord, has been highly compensated and is building a personal golf course.

Officials declined to be interviewed on camera, and provided CBS with written answers to questions. The show was the subject of speculation by student aid experts in the last week, and anticipation grew when Sallie Mae sent out a memo to colleges about the pending show and sharing the written answers it gave to "60 Minutes."

"With nine million borrowers, it is disappointing that '60 Minutes' chose to spotlight three of our former customers who have not repaid their taxpayer funded loans. It certainly does not reflect the experiences of the vast majority of our customers, who have had the opportunity to attend your schools and fulfill their dreams of obtaining a college education," said the letter from Sallie Mae to its clients.

In an e-mail response to a question about the show, Martha Holler, a spokeswoman for Sallie Mae, called it "a one-sided and error-filled attack." She said that Sallie Mae educates student borrowers on "their rights as well as their responsibilities," and provides them with "all available repayment relief and flexibility available to them under the law." She said that Sallie Mae has created and supported programs to help borrowers "in times of difficulty." She noted as examples Sallie Mae's creation of interest-free financing for those affected by Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, a fund created to help borrowers in families of those killed on 9/11, and a new program to help borrowers with serious illnesses or disabilities.

From a policy perspective, the show questioned whether the student loan system is rigged in Sallie Mae's favor because of the payments it received from students who repay loans, from the government for defaulted loans, and from agencies it owns that profit from collecting student loans. The show also noted the significant contributions that Sallie Mae and its employees have provided to members of Congress who write student-loan legislation. "Sallie Mae gets to play every hand at the poker table," Elizabeth Warren, a Harvard Law School professor and an expert on bankruptcy, said on the show.

Stahl said that several government reports had found that the direct lending program -- in which colleges provide loans directly to students rather than involving private lenders -- is more efficient than the guaranteed loan program in which Sallie Mae is the market leader. Direct lending, first enacted during the Clinton administration, has been praised in some reports by independent agencies as costing much less than the programs involving private lenders, although direct lending has also faced plenty of criticism and has seen its share of the loan market drop.

The answers provided by Sallie Mae on this question cited reports about the costs of the direct lending program. Sallie Mae also took issue with the "60 Minutes" contention that it benefits in any borrowing scenario. Sallie Mae said that it takes on real risks that students may default, and that the company does best financially when students repay on time, so that its interests and those of borrowers and the government are aligned.

The questions from "60 Minutes," Sallie Mae's statement added, "appear to accept without question that the government can administer and manager the student loan program more efficiently and less expensively than private lenders. This is not the case and, in fact, we believe that the competition and choice that schools have enjoyed ... have expanded and improved college access and fueled vast improvements in the delivery of student loans," said the company's letter.

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  • BOO HOO YOU
  • Posted by shattered*heart on October 4, 2007 at 11:35am EDT
  • For peace of mind, it is best to ignore people like BOO HOO because BOO HOO will ignore our arguments, too. But I won't. Because you get smacked in the face with this everyday, and I believe people like BOO HOO honestly do not know any better. Or won't know.

    Let's take his (or her, but we'll say his) tomfool comments piece by piece.

    BOO HOO says, "I don’t feel the least bit sorry for someone who is smart enough to get a degree in aerospace engineering but can’t figure out that he had to pay back his student loan with interest."

    Obviously, not all our degrees are in aerospace engineering. My Bachelor was English (graduated Summa Cum Laude - big whoop) and my Masters - Film (straight As and a high pass on the comprehensive - oh who cares). Seems foolish now, but at twenty, getting those degrees was the best idea in the world, and everybody around me thought it was just wonderful and marvelous and oh they were bursting and beaming with pride. I was cursed with zero math or science or business skills. My social skills weren't so great either. Being an adopted only child is kind of a double whammy, you know - it's hard to be a chatty cathy blessed with confidence when you do not where the hell you come from. Yeah, I know, boo hoo, right. But I digress. WHY was I given the particular knowledge and creative abilities I thought I had if I was not supposed to take them and do something with them? We all have different capabilities, you know. Why not just rip the humanities courses out of all institutions - I know the math folks would love that, and this world would be so terribly interesting.

    From Sallie Mae I remember getting the teeny tiny font war-and-peace-length terms and conditions, getting my highlighter out, taking notes, tearing my hair out trying to comprehend all this, asking my parents if they understood them any better than I did, making plenty of calls trying to figure out unnecessarily complicated jargon (yes, Boo Hoo, I know you are blessed with the ability to make 115% sense of it).

    ( I'd just like somebody to give me a straight answer; why are the terms so unnecessarily complicated? Just state in plain English what you will owe, what the interest will be. Why not do it that way? Huh? Why does there have to be more to it than that? )

    Finally, I threw my hands up and said, I'm going nowhere with this English degree which was my only option where I grew up, I've got to do this, Sallie Mae wouldn't let me take out this loan if I could not afford it, I have ten years, I'll get my masters in a degree tailored to my knowledge in a city where job opportunities will be widespread, be a highly desirable job candidate, start out with a $20,000 per year entry level job, work my way up, and have this mother paid off in five years. If you work hard, you treat people right, you'll be just fine, right? WRONG!!!!!!!!! That sounds downright insane now, but that is what goes on inside the minds of many twenty year olds. And without guidance, without counseling, and especially back in 1992 - no internet where you can read all the horror stories at places like studentloanjustice.org - how do you know what to do. Really? How do you know?

    Yes, Boo Hoo, I know YOU know. Let's see, you came from a nice strict background. You had discipline, chores, curfew, brothers, sisters, friends at school, dated, went to the prom, you were valedictorian, you were thin and in good health, hey, maybe you went on to military school. I ENVY you, Boo Hoo. I had none of those things. I only say this not to get any kind of sympathy - I am anonymous here - I'm just saying, we're not all the same, ok?

    You don't feel the least bit sorry. And, can't, er, you mean, won't figure out/understand. I think that is a big problem in society and why we can never solve much - but that's just me and my worthless POV.

    Interest. I think that is what most of us are "whining" about. The interest is beyond reasonable - it's downright cruel. Is it right that I have given up my life and worked my ass off for fifteen years without a vacation, yes, taking responsibility, paying Sallie Mae $30,000 so far, and my balance is still $60,000, more than it was in 1992? Does that sound reasonable to you?????!!!!!!!! OK, I accepted the interest when I was a kid, a KID, can I say that one more time, A KID. Oh, and the student loan folks take that and run with it. I also accepted the rammed-in-my-face notion that an education was the ONLY route to a good life, a well paying job, and was a noble pursuit besides. That's all that is preached to you.

    If the interest was fair, I think a lot of us would shut up. None of us want to pay off these loans, but we would shut up and do it, if the interest was at some sort of sane level.

    BOO HOO says, "There may be problems with the student loan program but it’s neither nor fair productive to blame one lender for the practices of an entire industry. Take responsibility for your actions, and if you don’t like the law work to change it."

    BOO HOO, you work in Financial Aid? And this is your attitude? That is not productive to blame? Blame is the wrong word, first of all. It is certainly productive to bring to light problems with the student loan program and try to figure out who is responsible. You just said yourself there are problems. And exactly how do we change laws without trying to figure out who is responsible for what's wrong with the current laws?

    BOO HOO says he works in financial aid. Man. No wonder the system is screwed up. BOO HOO works for Sallie Mae. That's all there is to it. Do you COUNSEL or do you shove the sheets in the student's face and say exactly what you just said. Do you make a student understand the concept of interest before the student signs his life away, or do you just drive home the obvious point about being responsible for your debts?

    I got ZERO counseling in 1992. AFTER the damage was done and my coursework was completed in 1995 -(although it would be another year before I got my degree because I had to take a comprehensive exam - yes, I had to start paying on these loans BEFORE i graduated) I remember being given a five minute class about repayment of the debt. I felt like I was in boot camp. They snapped at you about your responsibilities and shoved you on your way.

    I got zero career help, too, from my institution. On I went applying for job after job, overqualified here and way overqualified there, settling for working temporary minimum wage jobs I was underqualified for, giving all my income and cash to Sallie Mae while my credit cards covered my other expenses (NO, NOT LUXURY ITEMS EITHER). Credit cards went sky high. I had to move back in with my parents. There I've been ever since, taking care of my dad til he died this year, while I gave up working minimum wage jobs that were not covering jack squat and went into business for myself. I fared a bit better but not well enough, and now all my business expenses had to go on my credit cards, Sallie Mae went into forebearance, and now I file for bankruptcy. But the student loans stay. It's been all work, zero play, zero vacation, zero family, zero life. I will be forever punished for going to graduate school. I would have been better off with a prison record.

    Well, BOO HOO, I am one step away from suicide. And that will probably make confident people like you very happy. This world is overcrowded and the elimination of sorry losers like me would do society good, I guess.

    I did the best I could, tried to be nice to people, worked hard. I just don't know any better.

  • Other aspect of repayment
  • Posted by Mark Frank on September 3, 2008 at 12:00pm EDT
  • Like most parents I want the best for my children, as a result I paid for the education of both of my kids. My daughter after graduating from college wished to attend Law School, which I supported to the tune of 80K. Once she graduated, which took far too long and cost more money than originally intended, she decided not to pay her loans, as co-signer loans fell upon me for repayment. I understand as co-signer I am obligated as a second on the load. The problem is the way loans are written we are treated as equals in collections.

    They call her every day and she changes her phone number, they call me and I answer, when I ask question about their efforts to collect from her they will not answer, but they expect me to pay even though they will not provide any information on their collection effort from and with her. The way this works, if I failed to pay is ultimately this would be forced into court ultimately leading to my financial ruin even though I did what was right in providing for my daughter.

    If I cosigned a car or home I would have recourse but how does one take an education (intangible) back and how does one make a child (adult) work if he/she will not. Co-signing for a Sallie Mae loan is like an unsecured loan.

    Knowing what I now know I would not co-sign a Sallie Mae loan for anyone regardless of the relationship or how much I may love that person. There are deadbeat children out there even though at the time they need the educational assistance they do not appear as such. These loans should be written so that collection effort should be exhausted with the primary signer first before coming after co-signers.

    I am more than happy to be interviewed on or off camera.

    Mark Frank
    Frisco, Texas

  • Posted by Nathen on October 14, 2008 at 1:10pm EDT
  • The defualt rate is MUCH higher than 5%. That figured is based of the amount if deferments in the first TWO years of the loan once it goes into repayment. When you look out 5 to 10 years the defualt rate is closer to 40%. I am one of the millions that went to school and am now facing 782.59 a month in payments to Sallie Mae. Im not makine that up, that figure comes straight from the website. How is anyone supposed to pay that amount a month? The problem is the private loans and almost comical fees that are attached to them. I missed a payment a few months back and the late fees were almost 800.00 dollars. Come on folks, this cant be legal. Anyone who thinks that the sub prime crisis is bad, then wait till the student loan crisis hits.

  • Sallie Mae Rip Off
  • Posted by Lindy on September 15, 2009 at 7:30pm EDT
  • I was just visiting this web site looking for
    others who has been dealt a blow in the face from Sallie Mae.
    We are parents who co-signed with our son on a Sallie Mae private loan.
    Through out the last 7 yrs we have undergone one problem after another. But thats life, still Sallie Mae refused to work with us on this loan. We were also told that if we paid what was past due that they would talk with us on lowering the payments where our son could afford them. No way!
    My husband co-signed with our son on a school loan in 2002, and unfortunately our son became sick with Chrohn's disease, lost one foot of his colon and then this economic situation hit him hard. I became disabled in
    2000 and my husband hurt his back in 2007 had to have surgery, went back to work for a year rehurt his back and became totally disabled.
    I have written to Sallie Mae numerous times and e-mailed concerning our situation. I began adding up everything we have paid to Sallie Mae over the last 7 yrs and we have paid $15000.00 on a $160000.00 loan. Yes, I realize there is finance charges and we realize this loan was made by us. But we never ever expected to have these things in life happen, nor would we want them to happen.
    As I said we have written to Sallie Mae concerning a settlement but now that I have read the other comments I know there is no way in H_ _ _ that they will settle with us.
    Anyway, just another voice that is going unheard in the Sallie Mae saga.

  • Posted by Steven D. Krause on May 8, 2006 at 6:05am EDT
  • I thought that the report was interesting-- perhaps a little one-sided, but from the point of view of student borrowers, it's all a bit one-sided.

    What I was disappointed about though was no where in the report did anyone mention that the reason why students loans are such a big deal in the first place is that states and the feds are essentially opting out of higher education. If the feds took, say, 1/10th of the budget given for defense and put it instead into funding public universities in this country (or, for example, if over the course of the last 5 or so years we had spent $280 billion on programs in higher ed rather than the war in Iraq), student loans would be a non-issue.

    But what's happened, of course, is that the government at all levels is getting out of funding for education, forcing students to pay for it themselves, and forcing them to take on these silly high student loan debts.

  • Student loan industry
  • Posted by Feudi Pandola on May 8, 2006 at 8:20am EDT
  • I am sorry I missed the Sixty Minutes segment. It doesn't sound like they addressed the recent legislation raising the interest rates to 6.8% effective July 1, 2006. Although that may sound like a reasonable rate of return, it represents over a 30% increase in rates and poses a severe future burden on students across the nation once they graduate. Why? What has changed within the economy to justify such a massive increase in cost?

    I understand the need for a balanced budget.
    I suggest that Congress re-wire next years budget and make Medicare Part D income based, the same as most federal higher education programs are income based. That way, there is at least generational equity in how we spedn our tax dollars.

  • Sallie Mae on "60 Minutes"
  • Posted by Paul Roden , Training Manager at La Salle University on May 8, 2006 at 9:25am EDT
  • I watched the program also. Sallie Mae was given the opportunity to respond to the questions raised by the investigation but they declined. They said that they didn't want to exposed to an on air attack.

    It seems the whole mentality of outsourcing and downsizing government is begining to show its face in things like Sallie Mae. There has to be a way of partnering with the private sector to guarantee student loans without the abuses as shown in this expose.
    Part of the strategy of student financial aid seems to me to be getting away from grants and moving more toward loans. This puts students and their families at risk, especially in these trying times.

  • Posted by thomassowellfan on May 8, 2006 at 10:20am EDT
  • By guaranteeing students loans we have created a moral hazard, that is we provide an incentive for bad or reckless behavior. Students are encouraged to borrow more money than they can ever hope to repay. Students thus choose an expensive college or major in subjects that have traditionally provided lower incomes to graduates.

    I watched the segement last night and I do see a need to reconfigure some of the stipulations regarding student loans especially when something catastrophic happens to a student (i.e. major illness, natural disaster)and maybe some tighter controls on penalties. One gentleman though was upset because he did not earn enough money at his job with a non-profit organization to repay his loan. Well the answer for him is rather simple, get a job that pays more, or work part-time, or reduce living expenses.

    I would also hope that 60 Minutes would take the time to investigate some of the admissions and financial aid offices at our colleges and universities in order to help build an understanding of the awful advice incoming students often receive about financing their tuition. Students must understand that they are expected to repay money they borrow. A loan is not a grant and if they are borrowing more money than they can afford to pay back later then they must come up with an alternate plan. Maybe they can go to a community college for two years. Maybe they could go to a technical college for two years, get a job with that degree and then finance the rest of their education themselves by working and going to school part-time. A student who is under the age of 21 could decide to wait until they turn 21 so that the expected family contribution used in calculating federal aid won't have as big an impact (or possibly no impact at all) on the amount of aid the student is eligible to receive.

    Finally, it would have been nice for 60 Minutes to interview Richard Vedder, a former Economics professor at Ohio University who wrote the book, "Going Broke by Degree: Why College Costs Too Much". He would have been able to cogently explain how federal grants and loans have actually contributed to the rising cost of tuition making it all the more difficult for people to afford college in the first place. I guess investigating the booming industry of higher education bureaucracy doesn't appeal to a mass audience.

  • Piling on?
  • Posted by R.A.S. on May 8, 2006 at 10:55am EDT
  • Quick comments: First, I'm all for capitalism and free markets. But after pouring on all the penalty fees, actualized interest rates (with a GUB-MINT guarantee) of more than 1500 basis points above prime seem a bit like piling on. As in, absurd and ridiculous.

    Second, Vedder (Ohio U), as well as Greene (U-Ark.) have pointed out the absurdity in higher education costs and benefits. Easy lending is like giving an addict more dope. Further -- what the heck are we getting for our money? Cost controls and quality-performance standards are missing, and easy lending does NOT help.

    Third, if Prof. Warren, PIRG, and their kind want to attack lenders and college costs -- go after medical insurance companies, medical malpractice attorneys (big Democrat donors) and rich MDs. It is the rising cost of medical care that is playing a big role in rising tuition costs. More loans will NOT fix that problem -- only gives the medico's more $$$.

  • Correction
  • Posted by thomassowellfan on May 8, 2006 at 11:05am EDT
  • In my previous post I noted that the expected financial contribution calculation changes at the age of 21. The correct age is 24.

    Sorry for the error.

  • Sallie Mae
  • Posted by Christine on May 8, 2006 at 11:05am EDT
  • I watched the 60 minutes segment on Sallie Mae and found it to be the show's usual, frustrating mix of tabloid journalism, insinuation and insightful investigative reporting. Putting a human face on the issue can be overdone, as it was here; whatever the policy or issue there are always human examples that belie. I'd like to know the percentages that fit the profile described by Leslie Stahl to see how widespread problems are and if specific measures can be undertaken to address these situations. Are the problems policy-based and intrinsic, as stated by Harvard's bankruptcy expert Elizabeth Warren, or bureaucratic? It's unfortunate that Sallie Mae declined to appear but issued a statement questioning the underlying premise that the government can and does do a better job than the private sector. After all, the boys and girls on Capitol Hill don't actually produce any money, they just spend ours. If we, the taxpayers, are shielding Sallie Mae from the consequences of it own policies, it should stop. On the other hand, borrowers do need to pay back their loans (some years back there were major default problems) and, while it is in the best interest of the nation to educate its youth, there is a real need for a policy debate on how best to fund this (loans, grants, personal money, income cutoffs, individual college initiatives, government programs), minus the unquestioned ideological biases favoring more government involvement and third-party money that emanate from the educational establishment.

  • Sallie Mae
  • Posted by Jerry Pattengale , AVP for Scholarship & Grants at Indiana Wesleyan University on May 8, 2006 at 11:40am EDT
  • Dear Scott;

    Thanks for your balanced treatment of this provocative TV show. I drive by the Sallie Mae headquarters on a regular basis en route to meetings in Indy--the complex looks like a city from a Tolkein scene. These former USA Group offices sprawl over a well-pointed and attractive village. However, I'm also aware that funds from this operation/transition helped to fund the amazing Lumina Foundation--one of the largest foundations in the world devoted to funding educational projects, and ones of considerable substance. Also, various study skills and student help programs are provided free to Sallie Mae schools. As for the building of a personal golf course, it appears that "60 Minutes" invoked the logical fallacy of personal appeal here. Given the net assets of Sallie Mae, I can only assume that the chairman and others are paid at the level of similar CEOs. I ran the foundation for an investor who built his own golf course while living only two miles from one of Michigan's best courses. Although I didn't understand the expenditure, or his buying an English castle for our second office, it was his money—and I also saw him give millions to colleges as well. When he passed away, those following could not maintain the same profit margins of his business interests, or the same philanthropic donations. Also, a few salaries are likely statistically insignificant in a study of Sallie Mae’s overall financial picture. Perhaps the chairman in question has made decisions like my former patron that have been mutually beneficial to students and the company, ones worth many millions. I think Milton Friedman is correct here about the marketplace, and I think students are benefiting because of fewer regulations. Vedders' "Going Broke by Degree" sheds some light on this topic, but the tuitions at most schools are the real costs--minus the 20-30% subsidized per student. I'm not finding a conspiracy. I realize I'm playing the Wormwood here, but I'm one who benefited tremendously from loan grants, as noted in the 2006 PBS documentary, "Leading the Way out of Poverty" (WIPB/2006), which covers my story. I relied on the loan grant program to escape poverty, but realize that the tandem Pell Grants were of much more value in 1979 (99% of public tuition & 36% of privates; v. 68% & 19% today). However, multiple reports are showing the increased buying power over a college graduate’s lifetime ($1.2 m. or so). For balance, the “National Student Loan Debt Clock” appearing next to this article should also have a “National Student Loan Increased Buying Power Clock” as well, which would significantly dwarf the loan amount. The main contribution of the "60 Minutes" report, and your article, is that that they provoke a more intense accountability. The same is true of the annual CT posting of presidential salaries. BTW, while speaking out west last month I saw a professor in a new Mercedes. Does this lessen her integrity or effectiveness? Or, does it reflect well (or ill) on her financial savvy? Also, look at the original backers of key educational loan programs, and some current political backers for educational access. They are indeed wealthy--and no apparent self-serving agenda. And, if you enjoy Camellias, visit the highly praised Harry P. Leu Gardens in Orlando. When you enter the estate’s house, remind yourself that it was owned and by Duncan C. Pell, who, in a sense, built his wife a botanical golf course there in 1902. According to Kay from the Gardens, his money and relatives helped fund educational grants, the precursor of the Pell Grants named after Senator Claiborne Pell in ’72. Sometimes it’s okay to salute or tolerate esoteric golf courses and to smell others’ Camellias. At least our education helps us to frame such observations.

  • Shame on 60 minutes
  • Posted by CC on May 8, 2006 at 11:50am EDT
  • Student loans have evolved into a necessary evil. It is not Sallie Mae's fault that students need private loans to pay for college or that the rates are what they are. It is our government that has caused this crisis. Not only have they cut financial support to needy students, they have increased student loan interest rates and kept govenment grants even. If this was not enough they cut back with subsidies paid directly to colleges thus the increase in tuition.

    It is a vicious circle students are caught up in most definately. Let's place the blame where it lies, squarely on our government for not appropriating enough aid to college students and colleges.

    Pell grants and other federal educational grants have not kept pace with inflation let alone the rise in college costs. Poor and middle income students and their parents must take out student loans to enroll in college and earn a degree. The only reason Sallie Mae has become so powerful is because the government has not supported increasing stafford loan amounts and the before mentioned Pell amounts for decades.

    Sallie Mae is capitolizing on the govenments lack of action but as we encourage free enterprise I see nothing wrong with it.

    Should their interest rates be lower, yes should they have more loans released due to circumstances yes. But Sallie Mae has not done anything wrong in filling a need created by our governments ignorance.

  • Posted by Extremely Disappointed , Sallie Mae + Obnoxious Collection Practices on May 8, 2006 at 12:45pm EDT
  • I work with students at a community college and recently had the unpleasant experience of helping a student deal with a collection agency hired by Sallie Mae.

    The individual that was trying to collect from the student (not work out a financial plan) was the rudest, nastiest, most aggressive individual I personally had ever come into contact with. I was appalled that any student loan program would hire such a degenerate group of crude, insulting, and uneducated people. I was sickened!

    Shouldn't a company like this be helping students find constructive ways of organizing and planning financially to repay the commitments they made for their own education?

    I hope this is the only contact I ever have with institution EVER and will fight to use any company/bank/lending institution etc. other than Sallie Mae to find funding for students.

  • Student Loans
  • Posted by Elaine Bloomer on May 8, 2006 at 1:45pm EDT
  • In adult education, many students borrow in excess of tuition for "living expenses." These are working adults who already have a home, etc. They borrow $ above tuition for such things as plastic surgery, home renovations, etc. because the rates are lower. This is not what the money is supposed to be used for and they sign documents stating that - but once the money is in their hands use it for their own purposes. Then they cry "wolf" when their loans go into repayment. I just don't think people in general act as responsible adults and believe me, I deal with these people everyday.

  • Posted by Rich on May 8, 2006 at 3:30pm EDT
  • Lending agencies, like everything else associated with a capitalist, monetarily inefficient government, takes advantage of the working class citizen trying to make a better life by gaining an education. Society is taught that, in order to succeed, you need a significant level of education and that's a fact. However, while the American economy spins out of control (Want to argue that? See recent polls and statistics on how many Americans are changing all of their financial habits to put gas in their vehicles. The mounting financial crisis will be staggering.) it's becoming easier to get large amounts of money to finance that education meaning more students will have access but not the future means for repayment. You think the lending agencies are going to tell them, "you may want to reconsider this major because it will be more difficult to repay the loan at that university?" Hell no. Like every other lender Sallie Mae is in the business of making money, not educating students. That's why there are universities. It's just too bad the lenders get to the students first.
    Don't even get me started on credit card representatives on campus during move-in weekend!

  • Sallie Mae
  • Posted by Alan , Founder on May 8, 2006 at 4:00pm EDT
  • I really appreciate this discourse. I hope you all will go to the website mentioned in the piece, studentloanjustice.org, and check out the testimonials from real borrowers. There are thousands more soon to be posted.

  • Posted by Mary on May 8, 2006 at 4:50pm EDT
  • I wish that I had seen the report on 60 minutes regarding Sallie Mae. I have a quick comment about what I have read regarding the report. I am a 40 year old college student, and yes I do have a home, however, and I borrow the maximum amount each year, but it is not for home improvements or plastic surgery as was stated in another post. I wanted to return to school and took a job that paid less than what I was previously making so that I could return to school. So not all borrowers are taking the money to just do with it what they want, some of us are using it for legitimate living expenses. I know going through my own financial aid nightmare when returning to school that it is not explained very clearly to the students about the "capitalized interest" and had I not had a close friend in the business, I most likely would have been shocked about how much my payback was to what I borrowed. If the financial aid professionals that work in the schools would explain better, maybe this issue of defaulted loans would be not such a great big issue when the student borrowers graduate. I know that when I did my Entrance interview, I was given the option of doing it on line, which most schools offer, do you really think that most of those students read what it is let alone understand or know what questions to ask. Those meetings should be scheduled with a financial aid professional and they should be requried attendance in order to take delivery of the first aid check , whether it be a FFELP or Direct loan, or for that matter even a Pell overage check. That might eliminate a lot of the "I had no idea" statements that come from the borrowers when it is time to repay.

  • 60 minutes came close
  • Posted by NW on May 8, 2006 at 4:50pm EDT
  • 60 Minutes got off track when concentrating on a few students defaulting on loans. Although, that will be a bigger story in the years to come as default rates climb over 5%.

    The main point is that the FFELP industry is making billions of dollars of profit that could be earned by the Department of Ed through the Direct Loan program and diverted into more Pell grants.

    Why do we allow the billions of dollars in interest on Stafford and PLUS loans to subsidize the banking industry instead of helping poor students?

    That should have been the real story. 60 Minutes did point out that there is a better alternative than FFELP for Stafford loans and that Rep. Boehner and other elected officials are on the take and repay those campaign contributions with laws that help FFELP and harm DL.

    Because of large dollars and lobbying, our nation is not doing what is best for our students and the Financial Aid community remains silent!

    For more information see http://ticas.org. Click on the "Cost-Efficient Student Loans" link and I think you will learn things that may affect your opinion on this subject. Take a look at the "History of Loan Programs" and "Cost Estimates" links on the left side the page.

  • How'd they get so upside down?
  • Posted by R.A.S. on May 8, 2006 at 8:40pm EDT
  • Two more quick points: First, how did the borrowers in the story get so upside-down on their loans? Why didn't they go "income-contingent" on their loans? That is, $100/month and a clear credit record is better than a serious default.

    Second, as to any "profits" from direct lending, or funds from elsewhere in the federal budget -- keep dreaming. New loan programs were created because government lending programs were becoming so expensive to operate.

    And, again, looking for funds for higher ed? Take a look at the frightening amount of money that his going to Medicare, Medicare Part D ($100 BILLION/year est.), and Medicaid. That is what happens when there are no controls on government spending -- like inflation in pre-Nazi Germany.

  • 60 Minutes vs. Sallie Mae
  • Posted by Tip of the Iceberg on May 9, 2006 at 4:35am EDT
  • I've worked for almost twenty years in higher education regulation at the state level. Sixty minutes brought no surprises to me regarding the student loan business. I've been on both sides of the issue both as a borrower for my childrens' schooling and as a regulator dealing with the schools lenders, loan servicing organizations including Sallie Mae, the U.S. Dept. of Ed. and my counterparts in other states. There indeed does seem to be much to be concerned about among the mix of education providers, lenders, and loan servicers with student borrowers all too often coming up as the ultimate losers. Sixty minutes didn't mention and probably didn't know about the misdeeds of the recent past which continue to some extent today. From approximately the late seventies till about 1990 unscrupulous school recruiting and lending practices were rampent plundering public money, leaving students with poor or no training and unrepayable student loans that haunt them to this day. No one was minding the store or at least weren't provided the resources to do so.

    I first became suspicious of Sallie Mae when I applied for my first parent plus loan. Sallie Mae made the initial loan application process very easy but when the loan papers came for me to sign it had been assigned to their own lending institution and not the local bank (on their list) I had requested. It took a lot of phone calling on my part and "back-peddling" on their part before the situation was rectified. Up until that time I wasn't aware that Sallie Mae had its own lending affiliate.

    In 2002 some states began taking action against Sallie Mae when it was discovered that Sallie Mae had made student loans to students who were enrolled at fraudulent schools operating unapproved and illegally in the states where they were located. Sallie Mae has since greatly revised its lending practices but the situation shouldn't have occured in the first place. They simply didn't bother to check whether the schools receiving the loan distributions were even legitmate operations. Initially students were left holding the bag for thousands of dollars in student loans with no education to show for it when the schools closed their doors and walked away with money. Action by the states involved resulted in at least some of the loans being forgiven and absorbed by Sallie Mae. We need more not less regulation of student loan industry.

  • fyi: Student loans and higher-ed costs @ AEI conference
  • Posted by R.A.S. on May 9, 2006 at 8:15am EDT
  • Also, this week on ABC News, the focus is on this issue.

    http://www.aei.org/events/eventID.1330/event_detail.asp

  • “Thanks” Alan
  • Posted by RWH on May 9, 2006 at 2:20pm EDT
  • I took your advice and started reading the “testimonials” at ...

    http://www.studentloanjustice.org/

    the web-cite listed in Scott’s article.

    For the rest of you, I don’t recommend it. It was so depressing I could only read a half-dozen or so. Admitting I cannot frame a cogent argument against all of you apologists for Sallie Mae – sure, they’re only making a buck the way any good capitalist organization would – but there is something seriously wrong with our support for higher education in the United States when so many of our students must rely on a lending agency like Sallie Mae.

    Especially in America!

  • Get the Government out
  • Posted by Kevin , Undergraduate on May 9, 2006 at 2:45pm EDT
  • It is high time the government stopped fiddling with the banking market. Sallie Mae doesn't respond as well to market forces because it is a government controlled entity wrapped up in the same red tape that strangles everything the government decided it could do better.

    It is not the government's fault that education is expensive either. Look to social justice wages, medical insurance and fringe benefits for all, student organization funding, administrative waste, tenure, and other unnecessary wastes. Having taxpayers subsidize your mess doesn't make it less expensive, it just pushes the cost onto someone elses shoulders. Its about time colleges take responsibility for their own mess and put their own house in order.

  • Boo Hoo
  • Posted by WGR on May 9, 2006 at 3:05pm EDT
  • I don't feel the least bit sorry for someone who is smart enough to get a degree in aerospace engineering but can't figure out that he had to pay back his student loan with interest. I don't want to pay back my student loans either, but I know that I have a legal and moral obligation to do so.
    Sallie Mae didn't hold a gun to anyone's head and make them borrow money. There may be problems with the student loan program but it's neither nor fair productive to blame one lender for the practices of an entire industry. Take responsibility for your actions, and if you don't like the law work to change it.
    By the way, those of us in the financial aid profession do our best to counsel students about their rights and responsibilities when borrowing money. If I had a nickel for every lame excuse I heard as to why a student won't repay his loans I would have retired a long time ago!

  • Posted by Larry on May 11, 2006 at 5:55pm EDT
  • Thomassowellfan, I am curious. How do you figure that “guaranteeing” student loans creates a moral hazard when student loans are difficult (some would say impossible) to discharge in bankruptcy? As an academic, I am sure that you understand the importance of understanding the subject matter that you speak of, and therefore I am curious as to why you did not familiarize yourself with 11 U.S.C. 523, because you seem to have no idea how the law of student loans functions.

    Unfortunately, most of the laws involved in student loan finance would take too long for 60 Minutes to discuss, and most academics would find them boring, and, instead opt for broad policy-statements.

    CC, Why was 60 Minutes behavior “shameful.” They did the best that a non-lawyer could do, and, as frequently happens in most legal matters, they simply report the loser’s point of view.

    Extremely Disappointed, But not getting your student to a lawyer you did them more harm than good. They will (and probably should) eat you for lunch.

    Kevin, Students are free to take loans from any source on earth. In fact, there may be some merit to that, as non-guaranteed non-student loans are dischargable in bankruptcy. But for some silly reason, Congress decided that poor people (that is, children of parents that can’t write a check for $200,000 to cover college and expenses) should have a chance to go to college. I don’t like these people, as I think it is the responsibility of all Americans to pick rich parents, but Congress was corrupted by the awesome lobbying power of poor people.

    Rich, There is nothing wrong with credit card representatives on campus. People that don’t obtain and build credit, in my mind, have something wrong with them. Moreover, people without credit cards simply cannot buy many things (e.g. airline tickets) with the easy that real people with credit cards can. Finally, “don’t get me started” is not a logical argument.

    As RAS points out, income-contingent loans (which forgive after 20 or 30 years) are probably the best for these students.

  • Response to Larry
  • Posted by Kevin , Undergraduate on May 12, 2006 at 11:25pm EDT
  • Larry, there is no reason to believe that no "poor" person would be able to go to college without government assistance.

  • In shock
  • Posted by Debra Harrison on May 17, 2006 at 9:00pm EDT
  • My daughter graduated from High School In 2004. In the full of the same year she registered to attend California Culinary School of Pasadena for 35,000. We had no money to pay for The school so they introduce us to Sallie Mae and said they could help her get a loan for the full term. I thought this was a good idea, she would apply for grants and she would use that money to pay off the loan or as much of it as she could with whatever amounts she got from the grants. Well for all the grants she applied for she was turned down she got not one red cent in grants they said I made to much money. I work for a telecommunication Co. as a Dept. Clerk. Recently Sallie Mae sent the both my daughter and I a statement showing how much she owes 45,000 10 thousand accured interest rate and a payment of around 637.00 per month. At the end of the loan she would have paid 117,000.00 for the loan to attend this school. I feel so violated. Shocked can't afford to pay neither can she. I don't know what to do. My only thoughts is to convience my child to file bankruptcy. Please help if you know anyone I can contact in regards to my complaint. Someone to help us figure out away to pay for this. Thank you.

  • Sallie Mae
  • Posted by F.A.A. , Financial Aid Advisor on May 22, 2006 at 7:20pm EDT
  • As a Financial Aid Advisor at a proprietary school I see many walks of life come into my office. They have different needs and wants. As of January 2006 our company swithched to Sallie Mae as our ONLY
    lender/servicer. My boss and I were not happy with the change. We went from American Student Assistance; a great company in the North East that was our Guarantor to Sallie Mae. Sallie Mae said to our company "If you give us ALL of your business we will give you a better rate on your Private Loans" (Sallie Mae Career Traning Loan). And so it was done. ASA was out Sallie Mae in. This loan helps bridge the GAP between what the student is eligible for and the total charges. This Career Training Loan is for the birds. We still have not seen any benifit. I offer this loan to the student as last case. They start the interest out at Prime which when I last cked was around eight percent and then depending apon your credit they add 1 to 20% on top of the prime rate. So, If someone wants to take out a C.T.L. for $1,500.00 with ineterst and financing charges and depending apon the length of the loan they could pay over $3,000.00. Most schools that are not Title IV Funded offer this loan to the student or if the student is over the max amount they can take out this loan is offered. If the student has a GAP tell them about SCHOLARSHIPS!!! In my opinon most high school student's don't have a clue about scholarships. There are Billions of dollars out there and no one is using it because the student dosen't want to write an essay. When a student meets with me I ask them if they have checked out this website? It's www.scholarships.com. If not, why don't you. Unfortunately, Sallie Mae is our only choice. But hopefully people will learn to fill the GAP without Sallie Mae.

  • 60 Minutes vs. Sallie Mae
  • Posted by KG on June 9, 2006 at 10:45am EDT
  • If a mortgage company was to lend money to an individual for a home that individual could not pay for, it would be considered predatory lending. Sallie Mae does not give options even for repayment. It's either pay what we say or else no matter if you are sick, injured or whatever the circumstance.
    There is truly no one watching the hen-house but the fox.

  • To all the Nay Sayers
  • Posted by JD on July 11, 2006 at 5:00pm EDT
  • I am in the process of repaying my student loan that started out as a 30k note. I have paid over 14k back and my current payoff is over 30k. Now does that make sense? I believe that any financial institution has the right to charge interest for loans but to get 200%+ return on your investment is extreme. By the time I finish paying off this loan I will have paid them over 64k. Capitalism is great! By the way not everyone who attends college gets the triple digit incomes or even close to that. I chose the field I am in currently not for the almighty dollar but to enjoy doing what I do. I attended the best institution that I could get into and it was expensive. I worked two jobs to pay for my living expenses while attending school full time. My loans only covered my classes. I purchased all my supplies and went without some books because I couldn't afford it at times.
    Since I wasn't born with a silver spoon up my a** like so many of the persons who have made comments (boo hoo), I struggle to pay back the loans, but I do it. I just don't feel that it should be legal to have a license to steal.

  • Sallie Mae Victim
  • Posted by Michel on August 6, 2006 at 12:45pm EDT
  • I just finished reading the comments on the 60 Minutes broadcast re: the Sallie Mae Scam. I felt I needed to add my story. I have been paying Sallie Mae for the past 16 years. I now owe more than my original amount. This is fair??? This is just??? I am waiting for a response from Sallie Mae, as I have, since June 2006, refused to continue paying my loan until I receive a statement of my account. So for everyone out there that is not dealing with this nightmare, I just wanted you to know that all of us are not refusing to pay our loans, but would like it to be a fair payback. I have other loans--house, vehicles, credit cards, etc. and have an excellent credit rating. I am looking forward to retiring after working 40 years, but have a fear that Sallie Mae will attach my Social Security checks. They do have the power to do this.

  • Consolidation nightmare
  • Posted by Karen Pardue , Instructor on August 10, 2006 at 2:20pm EDT
  • Sallie Mae seems more commercialized than most student loan lenders. I knew that when I took out two private loans to complete the financing for my graduate degree, which the mainstream governments loans barely covered (I had to pay out of state tuition). I decided recently to consolidate the two loans. To my surprise, after the loan consolidation, I still had a large balance left on the old loans. When I called customer service I was told this amount represented the interest on the former loans that accrued during the consolidation process. Sallie Mae had taken the total amount I owed at the moment I began the consolidation process and that was the total they paid off. It took three months to process the application, so I have three months of interest due on the old loan that was not included in the consolidation loan. For the next 3 months I will be responsible for the interest on the old loans and a new payment on the new consolidation loan, in effect, an amount close to double the payment I had been making. I have never heard of this manner of doing business with student loans. Every consolidation loan I know of completely clears out the old balances. I will be taking this issue up with the appropriate consumer advocates and will never do business with Sallie Mae again.

  • Repaying Sallie Mae: Neutral
  • Posted by Chantelle Newbury on December 3, 2006 at 4:45am EST
  • I am learning it is very easy to get greater in debt with this loan even while repaying. I did some math figuring on my own. If my payments per month exceed the interest my loan gains per month then I will have the loan paid off faster and the debt from the interest will not exceed what I owe by too terribly much. In other words if I don't pay more than the interest per month then I am not even making a dent in the loan and they continue to make more money.

    Easy way to check. Multiply what you owe, by the interest rate (example 10% is .10 *% is .08) then multiply by again .083 to get the total interest your loan gains each month, if you are paying more a month than what your interest per month gained on the loan in about two years the loan should start to become much less.

    Mathematically it seems that the lower your monthly payments are and the larger the loan the more money Sallie Mae will make off of you, and the greater the debt will eventually become. So yes it is horrible and scary how one can pay and pay and loan grow and grow.

    Unfortunatly people who are ill and have economic hardship and disadvantages can't pay more than the interest and eventually become overwhelmed by the loan. It does not seem fair for a Loan to ever exceed more than the individual could have possibly paid even from the start. One would think the goverment or the lender could do somthing to remedy this to prevent it from happening during "hard times", like preventing the monthly interest to exceeding the monthly payment.

    Either I am ignorant or just an idiot to think this way but it almost seems to me that a profit is to be made for deferments due to illness and economic hardship. Is it possible that it might prove profitable in the long run for the lender the longer the deferment period(since interest increased the loan amount) and the smaller the monthy payment may be ...in theory.

    Money is strange since those who make it want more of it, those who have it to keep save it, and those who need it the most can't afford to keep it.

  • Posted by Brandon on January 20, 2007 at 8:50am EST
  • I have been dealing with sallie mae for about 3 years now. And having to put up with their harassment, thier threats and their ignorant collectors. I was 19 when I started going to ITT-TECH. I went for one year, then the law changed saying you had to be 26 to be considered independent. So then I was not allowed to apply for the rest of my loan to finish my education. They only thing they would let me do is to try to get someone to cosign so I could get the rest of my loan. the problem with this was is that my parents could not afford to cosign on my loan. And another thing is I dont see how that did not consider me independent. It was me and my girlfriend living in a house that we had moved into.Now I had planned on paying back my loan as soon as I had left college when I was into my career which my major was architectural drafting. So you can see that I probably would have been able to pay back the loan with no problem.right? well being basicly kicked out of college and having to work 2 full time jobs i still could not manage to make enough money to pay for living expences and pay back a 18,000 dollar loan which is now over 35,000 with all the interest combined.I have lost my house and am now in the means of filing bankruptcy.One loan is a federal loan which is not that bad the interest is only at 7.14% and didn't go about 3,000 dollars but I also had recieved a Private student loan that i was not aware that i was getting at the time of me signing up for student educationi found that out after i had left school 6 months later.which the interest is at 15.730%. now I have talked to them about consolidating these loans into one low interest payment to try to help me make these payments but they wont let me. they have told me that since i have a private student loan they cannot consolidate my loans so basicly im stuck with paying them back at over 23%. and how I get this is that they will not let me pay on one of the loans at a time they put them together so i have a really high interest rate and a large loan.now the only way i can stop them from garnishing my pay is to sign up for this interest only payment which you choose to have it done for 2 or 4 years.I really think something should be done about these people they are crooks and they are not there to help you.and there should also be something done with the law saying that you have to either be 26 to be considered independed so you can apply for a student loan or either be married or have kids."just when i thought that when i turned 21 i didnt have another age law to go through, I was proven wrong." I think that student loans should be dischargable in a bankruptcy if you can prove you have no possible way of being able to pay for it."LIKE BEING KICKED OUT OF COLLEGE BECAUSE OF YOUR AGE!"I pray that no other kids have to go through this pain and torture it has completly screwed my life up.

  • Sallie Mae Student Loans
  • Posted by Kelly Ferraro on February 8, 2007 at 3:51pm EST
  • I have had a horrible time with Sallie Mae Customer Service & Collections since September of 2006. I do not know what to do and I cannot get through to anyone who knows what is going on. My husband has been unemployed since July 2007. We requested a forbearance due to financial hardship in September, but we were declined saying my husband used all of the time alloted for his loan. I thought this was odd & decided to call back in November. I spoke with someone I thought was helpful (Tricia Ryan - beware of this character), all she did was lie to me so that I set up payments & advised that a forbearance would be going through as soon as payments were made. Months go by and we receive at least 30 calls per day. Not only do we receive calls at our home, but they call my wifes work, they call our landlord, and they call my husbands mother. I start calling them back last month and I speak to a Melanie Portman and she says that Tricia never set up a forbearance and she just lied to get money... Apparently they get a commission from accounts that are in collections. So Melanie sets up my forbearance (supposedly) and it never got done. Another agent just wanting to log a payment under her name. So here we are credit score plummeting, no forbearance, no deferrment - financial hardships & Nothing. I try and leave a message with the manager Mike Bonacore and his mailbox is full... This is driving me crazy. For the first time ever - I feel helpless.

  • Sallie Mae / Lumina
  • Posted by Suzanne Arundel on February 11, 2007 at 12:10pm EST
  • Can't believe your first post commented about Lumina - Lumina was renamed from the USA Group Foundation. USA Group being a part of Sallie Mae. Lumina is funded by SLM and others in the student loan cartel. Lumina is managed by ex SLM board memebers. And, Lumina does some good things.

    But beware - Lumina is being set up as a quasi "independent" foundation to issue press releases and slanted research to advance SLM's agenda.

    SLM is slimey - they are anti-competitive. The scenario will change. 60 minutes is always slanted - but the management of SLM knew they didn't have a leg to stand on so they would not agree to be interviewed. I don't blame them - if you're guilty, don't take the stand.

  • Sallie Mae... honest?
  • Posted by Todd on March 1, 2007 at 2:39pm EST
  • Being a victim of Sallie Mae, I question how anyone could consider them to be even close to honest. In one year alone, they raised my interest rate to 10% when it was not, contractually, to go over 8%. Their response to me was "well, refinance and consolidate" which I did.

    Their offer of a 3% fixed rate at that time seemed appealing, it was however just a load of bunk. After reading through their document, in which 3% was the only fgure stated, and signing the contract they only lowered my rate to 6%. I called them on it and their answer was “To bad, you signed.” Now I am stuck with these crooks who charge well over prime and refuse to allow me to refinance or to have my loan bought out by another company at a lower rate.

    So, all you free market economists can bitch about how Sallie Mae is being unfairly treated, but think about this.

    How would you feel if you were locked into a 10% interest rate on your home loan, were unable to refinance or sell? Would you complain? I think so.

    To all parents with children beginning college… Stay away from these federally sanctioned crooks. They won’t hurt you, but they sure as hell will rip off your children. The fact is this, our country spends hundreds of billions of dollars a year in the Middle East, but we can’t help our children get a decent education with out putting them into major debt? Our priorities are screwed up!