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Aug. 1, 2006
“We shouldn’t have to have this conference,” Roger Custer, director of the National Conservative Student Conference, said in an interview Monday after delivering the meeting’s opening address. “But these students are so isolated on campus.”
In its 28th year, the Young America’s Foundation annual college student gathering is a well-established Washington tradition — with roughly 400 attendees and a speaker list including Newt Gingrich, Robert Novak and David Brooks. Still, speakers talk with a marked sense of urgency.
There is little tolerance for the conservative viewpoint on campus, panelist after panelist agreed. The charge of a liberal slant in academe is nothing new, but the assertion found new life in each speech. The sense of victimization shone through in the organizers’ description of the conference as a place for students to “learn about conservative ideas and how to advance them in the face of liberal hostility.”
“Some people think because Republicans are in power, there is no need for conservative thought on campus,” Custer said. “But the truth is, students become liberal by osmosis.”
The five-day-long conference is designed, among other things, to arm students with strategies to deal with their liberal counterparts, Custer said. Patrick Coyle, director of campus programs for Young America’s Foundation, told students that they have to be ready with talking points when holding an event, because “the left is out there now thinking about how to attack your ideas and how to undermine the event.”
Last month, the liberal think tank Center for American Progress held its second annual Campus Progress event, where students and speakers made their calls for continued campus activism.
Coyle, the co-author of “The Conservative Guide to Campus Activism,” told the students in attendance that a major focus of their efforts should be bringing conservative speakers to campuses. He said that when he was a student at Pennsylvania State University in the mid-1990s, he was appalled by the number of liberal speakers and the dearth of conservative voices brought to campus as part of the university-sponsored series. He said students should ask trustees, alumni and state representatives to monitor how their colleges are spending taxpayer money.
Custer, who attended Ithaca College, said he compiled a report called “The Case for Intellectual Diversity,” which listed a line-item record of all the money spent by the college on bringing what he called “leftist” speakers to campus. His message — one that he said students should continue to use — is that the university should want a full range of opinions.
Tom Burton, a junior at the University of Wisconsin at Eau Claire, said that after coming to the foundation’s conference last year, he decided to become a student senator. Burton was elected chairman of the campus’s College Republicans chapter and motivated friends in his group to join the university’s speakers committee. Together, Burton said group members convinced the speakers committee to bring a conversative speaker, the Coalition on Urban Renewal and Education founder Star Parker, to campus in the coming year.
For other political action tips, Coyle said students will be given an updated copy of the “Campus Conservative Battleplan” that outlines event possibilities. Custer said he doesn’t want students to get caught in a purely reactionary mindset. Speakers urged students to celebrate the fall of Saddam Hussein on campus and to expand the scope of existing events, such as the Young America’s Foundation-sponsored “9-11: Never Forget Project,” in which students place about 3,000 flags — one for every person killed in the Sept. 11 attacks — on campus grounds.
Christina Miller, a transfer student who is attending Hillsdale College in the fall, said she looked forward to taking some of the lessons back with her to the conservative campus in Michigan. A number of students identified themselves as being from Hillsdale or other colleges that are known for their conservative leanings.
Alex Herbitter, a freshman at Auburn University’s Montgomery campus, said he has heard some of the conference’s messages before. “It is preaching to the choir,” he said. “But for some people, there has never been a preacher to preach to them.”
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Wasn’t it Michael Moore who initially coopted 9-11 for political purposes?
Patrick, at 8:20 am EDT on August 1, 2006
“Liberal hostility"? How often do these online furballs get ignited by attacks from the right? How is this not about some form of hostility when the paperwork is not called an “action plan” or some similar term, but the “Campus Conservative Battleplan”?
Not that being caught on one’s ideological heels is a good thing, but taking an approach that is not reactionary and that uses a “battleplan” sounds a great deal like preemptive war. Now, it’s a good thing there is so much “liberal hostility” out there for these students not to react to, huh?
People need to wake up and smell the language. Everyone’s language.
Andrew Purvis, at 8:20 am EDT on August 1, 2006
” .. What is it about September 11, 2001 that makes Republicans and conservatives want to co-opt it ..
Oh, maybe ridiculous, bizarre far-left non-engineers like Mr. Kevin Barrett —
http://insidehighered.com/news/2006/07/12/barrett
Some people never want to get it. That is why their government stipends have to be terminated. Even Stalin, Mao and Fidel used that technique. Shock therapy can work.
A.D., at 8:35 am EDT on August 1, 2006
” .. taking an approach that is not reactionary and that uses a “battleplan” sounds a great deal like preemptive war ..”
Holy good night .. numerous empirically-based studies that have *never* been significantly disproven about 40:1 political ratios in departments such as English and Sociology — and those departments think they are the victims?
Talk about chuzpah! It would be laughable, if so much time, money, and effort wasn’t being poured down the toilet. Even moderate Democrats find it hard to dispute 40:1 political ratios.
Bart J., at 9:00 am EDT on August 1, 2006
It is laughable to assume that the YAF has any interest in “intellectual diversity.” They hew to a strict party line in true Stalinist fashion and what they and most conservatives hate about academe, mainstream churches, the media and several other U.S. institutions is that they do not give exclusive sanction to that party line. Whenever conservative “thinkers” get power they establish a party line on others with relish (think of private religious colleges and their faith statements or conservative think tinks who fire dissenters). That the YAF is not serious can be seen from this quote: “they have to be ready with talking points when holding an event, because “the left is out there now thinking about how to attack your ideas and how to undermine the event.”"In other words they do not want the conservative student to hold out the possibility of objective exploration of issues (which may result in them honestly rejecting some of the party line) but instead want to give them apologetics for stances they already have. This is part of a very calculated effort by very dishonest folks on the right to discredit any voice that does not fall into line with what they want to hear...
Ken Wagner, Radford, at 9:00 am EDT on August 1, 2006
It’s always nice to see more ideological diversity on campuses, no matter what the viewpoint.
K.T., U.Va., at 9:15 am EDT on August 1, 2006
Pointing to one clearly screwball professor with a laughable argument does not prove that the left has sought to co-opt 9/11 for political purposes. What does prove such an agenda are attempts at conservative conferences such as the one reference in the lead article where large numbers of participants are exhorted to go back to their home institutions and exploit 9/11 in the interest of furthering a conservative agenda.
Norman Keul, at 9:15 am EDT on August 1, 2006
”.. What is it about September 11, 2001 that makes Republicans and conservatives want to co-opt it...”
The “teach-ins” on my campus, including only the left-of-center perspective, would be one reason. These events were more like indoctrination events than educational events.
K.T., at 9:15 am EDT on August 1, 2006
At the moment, the conservative pespective dominates nearly every facit of public discourse in the U.S.; some universitie are an exception and this drives them crazy. The Republican party has already convinced many in America that critical thinking is unAmerican and unpatriotic, and I doubt they’ll rest until they’ve completely dismantled the basis of our civilization—free speech, critical thinking, and a government that is accountable to the people.
As for Michael Moore and 9/11, why not read one of America’s younder conservative writer’s thoughts on this matter? Paul Sperry (formerly of Worldnet Daily.com) wrote _Crude Politics_ before Moore’s movie was released, and (shock, surprise) when he did his own indepenedent research found the same evidence and came to remarkably similar conclusions.
Paul Sperry is not what I would describe as a “big brain,” but somewhere along the way he learned how to do research and analyze his findings. He’s an example of what the right wants to erode in U.S. universities because despite his strong conservative position, he still thinks for himself.
The Untenured Observer, at 9:15 am EDT on August 1, 2006
Just because conservative students want to establish a forum or institution to counter the ideas with which they disagree does not make them dishonest or fascist! It only makes them like liberal students and faculty members who already have such vehicles to counter the ideas with which they disagree. So who actually feel threatened here?
Ben Morris, at 9:15 am EDT on August 1, 2006
“This is part of a very calculated effort by very dishonest folks on the right to discredit any voice that does not fall into line with what they want to hear...”
I’m fascinated how you gained ESP to read the minds of “most conservatives.” Or did you poll most conservatives in the country?
Please say you are not in the classroom teaching students how to stereotype entire populations and generalize where no generalization is possible (an increasingly disturbing trend among our own Ph.D. students).
And, as a conservative faculty member, I am concerned with intellectual diversity and encourging all faculty members — left, right, and center — to teach students critical thinking skills by presenting diverse perspectives, not using the classroom to present their own viewpoints. But, I forgot I am “dishonest” so everyone may ignore these comments.
K.T., U.Va., at 9:15 am EDT on August 1, 2006
I am all for balance, but most campus speakers here at my university are not “liberal” or “conservative” If there is ever a politician, candidate or outspoken person, the campus tries to balance it.
Since the Fairness Doctrine has been overturned the mainstream media has been dominated by conservative and Republican Party paroting of the party line. Every one has a bias. So I am not afraid or concerned about the “liberal attack". Academe should be exposing students to all points of view and teaching critical thinking of all points of view. Society and students are already brainwashed by the right. It is the duty of the opposition to oppose. “Let a thousand flowers bloom.”
Paul Roden, Training Manager at La Salle University, at 9:25 am EDT on August 1, 2006
I think it is wonderful that the campus right is sponsoring the “9-11: Never Forget Project.” This is something both the campus right and the campus left can rally around, as both conservatives and liberals were murdured that day. Why don’t the two sides join...one liberal and one conservative and the pairs can post flags together (cue folk music here!). But really, what a powerful united front in the face of terrorists who aimed to strike fear and create division among us.
Honoring 9/11 heroes, at 9:35 am EDT on August 1, 2006
Patrick Coyle’s memory of Penn State not welcoming conservative speakers is not very accurate. Here is a list of conservative speakers who have appeared at Penn State in the past couple years — and the list for the years Coyle attended Penn State would be very similar.
* George H.W. Bush, president of the United States.
* George W. Bush, president of the United States.
* Linda Chavez, conservative columnist and author.
* Ward Connerly, president of the American Civil Rights Institute and chairman of California’s Proposition 209.
* Ann Coulter, best-selling author, commentator and lawyer.
* Dinesh D’Souza, renowned author and speaker, senior domestic policy analyst at the White House during the Reagan administration.
* Larry Elder, talk show host.
* M. Stanton Evans, author, syndicated columnist, and former editor of the Indianapolis News.
* Suzanne Fields, syndicated columnist.
* Mike Gallagher, nationally syndicated radio talk show host and Fox News Channel contributor.
* Bernard Goldberg, veteran CBS correspondent and best-selling author.
* David Horowitz, author of “The Professors: 101 Most Dangerous Academics in America.”
* Reginald Jones, entertainer and entrepreneur.
* Jeane Kirkpatrick, former U.S. representative to the United Nations and Reagan cabinet member.
* Alan Kors, University of Pennsylvania professor of history, editor-in-chief for Defense of Academic Freedom and Values.
* G. Gordon Liddy, former FBI agent and adviser to President Richard M. Nixon.
* John Lott, professor and author of “More Guns, Less Crime.”
* Michelle Malkin, syndicated columnist and Fox News Channel contributor.
* Oliver North, nationally syndicated radio talk show host, special assistant to President Ronald Reagan.
* Robert D. Novak, reporter, author and political commentator.
* Star Parker, president and founder of the Coalition on Urban Renewal and Education (CURE).
* Marci Rossell, former chief economist for CNBC.
* Rick Santorum, Republican U.S. senator from Pennsylvania.
* Phyllis Schlafly, columnist, radio commentator and opponent of the Equal Rights Amendment.
* Peter Schweizer, author of “Do As I Say (Not As I Do).”
* Ben Stein, speechwriter and lawyer for Presidents Richard M. Nixon and Gerald Ford.
* Walter E. Williams, the John M. Olin distinguished professor of economics at George Mason University and adjunct scholar at the Heritage Foundation and the CATO Institute.
Bill, at 9:50 am EDT on August 1, 2006
” .. At the moment, the conservative pespective dominates nearly every facit of public discourse ..
Sweet Mary and Joseph .. when William F. Buckley publicly questions the conservatism of G.W. Bush — to imply that “conservatism” is some political monolith is to fly directly into the face of reality. Please get real, some day, sir.
The Ward Churchills of the world yearn for a return to the sixties. Yo — that was 40 years ago! The U.S. had no economic competition, at that time. Now — millions have lost their jobs.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/31/business/31men.html
Looking forward, the parents of my students wonder if their financial sacrifices to send their kids to college will be worth it. Everyone is concerned.
IMHO, those parents have about five seconds for Ward-type malarky. If it were up to them, they’d fire his sloppy, unproductive kind in two seconds, for wasting their money, time and effort.
Bart J., at 9:50 am EDT on August 1, 2006
My favorite line is the one about how students become liberal by “osmosis.” I guess it bothers conservatives that the more education one has, the more one is likely to reject conservative ideology. Hmmm... perhaps there’s an alternative reason — students may begin to reject rigid conservative views in college because they learn to think critically. I would hope they would also reject knee jerk ‘liberalism’ as well.
JCO, at 9:50 am EDT on August 1, 2006
” .. Society and students are already brainwashed by the right. It is the duty of the opposition to oppose. “Let a thousand flowers bloom.”
The “flowers” thing was used by Mao, the U.S. left’s darling.
If memory serves correctly, Mao got academics to speak openly and freely. Then, once identified, Mao had them tortured and imprisoned. And probably a few were murdered.
Are we sure, we want to use, that theme?
A.D., at 10:55 am EDT on August 1, 2006
Bart, there is a difference between what a person believes personally and how a person acts professionally. Claims that no such difference exists are precisely the kinds of attacks I addressed earlier.
It is one thing to generate raw data, but don’t make leaps the data don’t support. I have seen legion studies that report on what the instructors and professors believe or to which parties they belong, but I have yet to see one that proves a corelation between any of that data and bias that affects students, regardless of political stripe.
Andrew Purvis, at 10:55 am EDT on August 1, 2006
The article, the convention, and the comments are extremely silly. First of all, the only good reason to be a “campus activist” is to get a job after college. Getting such a job doesn’t guarantee you riches or even a comfortable livelihood, or even that you will make a difference. To do this you need to go to law school, and law schools don’t really care if you were a campus “liberal” or “conservative.” (The lower-ranked ones sometimes claim to, but they are just trying to excuse their inability to attract people with high LSAT scores.)
Second of all, “campus activists” are not learning how to address deep issues. Instead, at best, they are forsaking any real education for experience chanting, putting up signs, and perhaps hobnobbing to get a job.
Third, this convention is nothing but a bunch of whining. The difference is that the kid that whines the loudest gets a $40,000 per year job, which is how much a first year associate attorney makes in three months.
Probably most important, is that the terms “liberal” and “conservative” are, at best, oversimplifications, and, at worst, describe sets of ill-defined policy goals advanced by a one partisan interest or another. Campus “activists” by not identify with specificity (e.g. knowing what statutes or regulations they wish to change) and connecting them with a coherent ideology are doing nothing that requires a college education and are simply acting like silly pawns.
Larry, at 10:55 am EDT on August 1, 2006
“guess it bothers conservatives that the more education one has, the more one is likely to reject conservative ideology.”
As someone who has conducted similar studies with regard to student development and political affiliation, most of the studies I have seen that look to correlate educational levels with political ideology are faulty because of the lack of depth when defining political ideology. They are sound bite studies, another disturbing trend in academe.
More thoughtful studies that dive deeper into the nuances of political ideology show such correlations.
There is a surprising lack of specificity when we study political ideology on campuses. For example, I would not identify half of the individuals listed by Bill as conservative. For example, neo-conservatives are the old nationalistic hawkish liberals who just switched parties.
The more appropriate standard which I am now interested in researching is the dichotomy of power vs. choice. My guess is that there are more revealing correlations here since my own sense is that the true political dichotomy emerging is between these two opposites. Liberals and conservatives alike (particularly in the mainstream) are highly power oriented. It seems the mainstream of liberalism and conservativism believe in large government with highly concentrated national power. I am usually hard-pressed to find a “liberal” or “conservative” who can stick to a purely “power” or “choice” outlook.
Regardless, to lump everyone into one of two camps and draw some generalizations based on unrigorous scholarship is poor research.
K.T., U.Va., at 11:00 am EDT on August 1, 2006
I think Tom Burton (the jr at Wisconsin) does a nice job of proving that most campuses are open. If you don’t like the speakers at your campus, get on the speakers/cultural committee and suggest a few speakers! If you still think your campus is too liberal, well there are PLENTY of conservative campuses around.
LiberalLibrarian, at 11:00 am EDT on August 1, 2006
Not only am I not “editor-in-chief for Defense of Academic Freedom and Values"—-I was editor in chief of the OUP Encyclopedia of the Enlightenment—-but I’m afraid to say that I never heard of it. I did speak, however, at Penn State.
Alan Charles Kors
Alan Charles Kors, Professor of History at University of Pennsylvania, at 11:00 am EDT on August 1, 2006
Why is it when conservatives “audit” the balance of speakers sponsored by a college they never look at what the college spends to support the campus’s faith community? Priests, rabbis, chaplains literally preach a largely conservative religious point of view day in and day out and yet somehow we aren’t supposed to count this as part of the campus dialogue? Should we be looking to balance this point of view by funding anti-religious speakers at the same level we fund the campus’s faith community? Of course not. However, we shouldn’t discount the impact this college-supported discourse has on the views of the students.
TT, at 11:00 am EDT on August 1, 2006
Thanks to Bill for posting the list of speakers at PSU. As a PA resident, I immediately questioned the accuracy of the statement about PSU’s “liberal bias,” and am glad somebody had enough energy to do the research.
Bart J. makes a good point in the first part of his post about conservatism not being a “monolith.” I have conservative colleagues who are appalled at the current administration on the grounds that it has betrayed long-held conservative values. But then, in the second part of his post, Bart J. commits the very same intellectual crime that he exposes in the first—by insinuating that all liberal academics are under the spell of Ward Churchill and his ilk. Evidently, critical thinking, which appropriately makes one skeptical about broad generalizations, has its limits.
Mark Graybill, at 11:15 am EDT on August 1, 2006
JCO wrote, “students may begin to reject rigid conservative views in college because they learn to think critically.”
What vanity. I rejected the conservative views I had been raised with because I was attempting to assert my independence by rebelling against the status quo. I voted for George McGovern and then Jimmy Carter. I have not voted for a Democrat since. “When I was a child, I thought as a child, I perceived as a child,…, but when I became a man, I put away childish things”.
JD, at 11:15 am EDT on August 1, 2006
TT, I would not necessarily equate campus chaplains with a “conservative” viewpoint. (Chaplains can be of any religion or denomination.) Indeed, many people who want to know what “persuasion” a campus is will simply look at the written work of the chaplains to see if they appear “progressive” or “conservative.” Although nobody really cares to articulate a coherent ideology for “liberals” or “conservatives” I probably should not say note that I know a few chaplains who are active in amnesty international, and others who have been politically (or legally) active on behalf of human-rights-type causes. As a practical matter, I know that at just about every campus, anyone can say any dumb thing they want, and the above-mentioned conference was just hobnobbing and public whining. I don’t think that chaplains, most of whom are trying to do a difficult job the best they can, really need to be dragged into this.
KT, I am glad that someone is at least noticing that the study of campus politics isn’t taken nearly as seriously as the activity, itself. As you say, it is an embarrassment to academe that it can’t engage in rigorous discussion of its own politics, or the politics of its members.
Bart, You need to differentiate between peoples’ ideologies, peoples’ jobs, and peoples’ partisan interests. In the real world, it is quite common for someone to wear multiple hats and change them when they change positions and sometimes when they come home. For instance, there are many (probably tens of thousands) of prosecutors or government attorneys that disagree with statutes, but nevertheless argue for their enforcement, because it is their job. For example, most of the time, juries and judges have little idea that said actor, if he was a one-person legislature, would repeal all laws regarding controlled substances. This is the way of the world. Likewise, many biology professors go to church. They don’t see a conflict. Finally, many professors (and perhaps prosecutors) will be politically active simply for their self-interest (frequently they are both unionized). Their political “self-interest” might conflict with their own scholarship or positions in court, but it is necessary to ensure a comfortable retirement. Unless and until you can show that someone is incompetently litigating or studying something because of a political belief, you should probably re-evaluate your position.
Larry, at 11:20 am EDT on August 1, 2006
JD, That’s funny, I just heard someone call your original candidates “childish” and “liberals” “grown-up.” I guess it is all perspective and name-calling.
Larry, at 11:25 am EDT on August 1, 2006
Larry — I think you do have to “drag” the campus’s faith community into this. If you’re going to accuse a campus of supporting a political bias than you need to take the full measure of what the campus supports. While it can be argued that there are “conservative” and “progressive” religious leaders on a campus, I think when you look at the wedge issues as defined by the republican party – abortion, stem cell research, homosexual marriage, etc., — you will find that the leaders of campus faith communities are coming down strongly on the conservative side of those issues. We can’t pretend that the students aren’t influenced by the sermonizing of the leaders in the campus’s faith community who they see and listen to on a very regular basis and at the same time argue that they are highly influenced by a speaker who make a single one hour speech.
TT, at 12:35 pm EDT on August 1, 2006
Whether it is abortion, gay marriage, marginal tax rates, minimum wage, price gouging, national security, immigration, or some other social, political, economic issue, the conservative perspective is either ignored or riduculed on many of our college campuses.
What is worse is that in order to ridicule the conservative perspective often times huge ammounts of empirical data has to be ignored that supports the conservative argument. Raising the minimum wage, or establishing a livable wage, is a perfect example of this. Numerous studies show that raising the minimum wage hurts low-skilled workers. It would be my bet though that a majority of the faculty members at our nation’s colleges would support raising the minimum wage.
Even issues which are not inherently political develop lines where conservatives fall to one side and liberals to the other side. Issues such as whole language reading instruction, and the use of learning styles and multiple intelligences in the classroom tend to be favored more by liberals than conservatives. As with other issues liberals ignore data that show these theories to be without merit and promote them anyway.
The biggest complaint everyone should be raising regarding our colleges is the determined push to move away from logic, reason, and empirical evidence when engaging in the search for truth. While both conservatives and liberals are guilty of eschewing sound research methodologies in order to promote their theories, it has been my experience that it is a much greater problem in the liberal camp than it is in the conservative camp at least in regards to college faculty.
thomassowellfan, at 12:50 pm EDT on August 1, 2006
Larry,
Your response is confusing. Can you explain yourself better?
JD, at 12:50 pm EDT on August 1, 2006
Okay, TT, I will take your bait. Assuming, for the sake of argument that campuses have a “liberal” or “conservative” tilt (a concept which I think is incoherent), it follows that those campuses will select chaplains whose doctrinal positions within their denomination does not conflict with the school’s tilt. To my knowledge, no school professors an ideology that “hates” religion, and all schools have some provision for faith. Therefore, for most schools, it is simply a matter of selecting clergy that won’t conflict with any fundamental mission of the school. This isn’t too hard, actually, since there are many clergy who would like a steady paycheck, and not be bound by a need to placate a flock with a certain politics. In short, I would be willing to bet that it is easy to find clergy who will tolerate and bless just about anything from the war in Iraq, to stem-cell-research, to an interfaith orgy, to evolution, wiretapping, and let’s not forget and homosexual marriage.
Larry, at 12:50 pm EDT on August 1, 2006
JD, Let me make it clear. While you say you “matured” into “conservatism” others say they “matured” into liberalism. Calling one set of beliefs (if such terms really make sense, anyway) more “mature” than another, is just a form of name-calling directed against those who don’t hold those beliefs.
Larry, at 1:40 pm EDT on August 1, 2006
Interesting to note that when discussing liberal forums, nobody comments much.see->http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2006/07/13/activism
However the second someone even breathes that we need more conservative thought, and more diversity on the campus, liberals come streaming out of the woodwork to be cruel and merciless with their thoughts. I particularly like the one person that said, “The more education one has, the more they reject conservative ideology.” It is pretty funny to state opinion as fact. Way to globalize your conjecture. How about some statistics to prove your point? Or a research paper? You could at least state that it is your ‘opinion’.
Liberals are now the new ‘mean’ people.
RC, Interesting, at 1:55 pm EDT on August 1, 2006
RC: In the IHE article you cite the leftist groups involved are not calling for purging the business schools of capitalists. If YAF was merely calling for conservative students to get involved in student government and the like, it would not be an issue. There are of course bullies on the left too; I have known people in groups that in the past organized efforts to physically block conservative speakers. But, at the present time intolerance is more of a problem on the campus right than it is on the left, IMHO.
An important exception would be certain animal rights groups that have engaged in real violence on campuses. Conservative groups have done nothing like this on campuses, although extremists among abortion opponents have used deadly violence — just not on college campuses.
Conscientious conservatives and liberals should both stand up against political bullies of any ideology.
Mike, Math Prof, at 2:45 pm EDT on August 1, 2006
In looking at the comments here, I note at least three comments that can be summarized as thus: 1) I am a very fair-minded and level-headed person; 2) people should be like me and think rationally; but 3) in my experience people on the (left or right) are more prone to think irrationally.
Is this really what academics are trained to do? (And I see these arguments a lot.) None of this even identifies a coherent political ideology, nor offers a critique of it.
Larry, at 3:15 pm EDT on August 1, 2006
“Liberals are now the new ‘mean’ people.”
That bizarre post really made me giggle.
Meanie, at 5:30 pm EDT on August 1, 2006
Am I the only citizen who has noticed a gradual drift to the ‘right’ in this country since 911? It seems like that event was a tipping point (an tired out concept now — but still probably an accurate characterization). I say “drift” because it seems like those of us of a liberal bent sense the decline of liberalism but seem powerless to stop it. On the other hand, those of use of a conservative bent bask in the change but really don’t know (a) how they initiated it (they didn’t), (b) how to control it for political purposes, or (3) where the nation is going. Our ideologies are the driven, not the driver. Justice is blind. Sometimes I think ‘Uncle Sam’ is deaf, dumb, blind and a damn fool. If he’s our enemy, the enemy is us. 50 years from now we’ll know where we are today.
Bruce Harvey, at 4:40 am EDT on August 2, 2006
Bill’s “facts” are wrong. His list includes speakers that have appeared on campus since 1992 – some 14 years ago! Furthermore, 19 of the 27 speakers listed would not have appeared on campus if it wasn’t for Young America’s Foundation working with conservative students to make those events happen.
Since 1992, Penn State invited only four of these speakers! If left to Penn State, students would only have an opportunity to hear a conservative speaker ONCE during their four years of college.
PXC, at 8:55 am EDT on August 2, 2006
“Is this really what academics are trained to do?”
Good ones, yes.
K.T., U.Va., at 9:20 am EDT on August 2, 2006
KT, Are you saying that academics just engage in self-promoting critiques of other’s partisan politics without even trying to recognize or apply any philosophical theories?
Quite frankly, I am would be embarrassed if any family member of mine was this “politically active.” These kids are just being used. The best they can do is get a job that pays very little. They are learning no real skills. What is even sadder is that professors are jumping on these bandwagons, too, and, in encouraging students to be politically active are screwing them them, too.
Larry, at 10:30 am EDT on August 2, 2006
TT- You said: While it can be argued that there are “conservative” and “progressive” religious leaders on a campus, I think when you look at the wedge issues as defined by the republican party – abortion, stem cell research, homosexual marriage, etc., — you will find that the leaders of campus faith communities are coming down strongly on the conservative side of those issues.”
I would be interested in knowing where you “found” this information. The religious communities on college campuses that I have attended or worked at were much more liberal than their counterparts in the outside world. Since proof by anecdote is never a good idea, I’d appreciate seeing the data upon which you base your claim.
mrjim, Response to TT, at 1:46 pm EDT on August 2, 2006
mrjim, For what it is worth, I don’t think we will be able to come up with statistics on these issues, because, quite frankly, it is extremely difficult to quantify political AND religious leanings. (I can’t even imagine how one would go about setting up such a study.) My guess is that religious “communities” track the general attitudes of everyone else on campus. After all, since chaplains generally self-select, no clergy member wants to feel alienated from the people they deal with. Moreover, assuming that an individual clergy member holds views diametrically opposed to whatever the “orthodox” view is on campus (if there is one, and I doubt that there really is), he probably will temper it if asked, preferring to advise “prayer”and “contemplation” rather than “condemnation.”
Larry, at 2:15 pm EDT on August 2, 2006
mrjim wrote “Since proof by anecdote is never a good idea, I’d appreciate seeing the data upon which you base your claim.”
You got me mrjim. It’s true I can’t prove that the majority of religious leaders on campuses aren’t preaching positions diametrically opposed to the teachings of their church. For all I know, for example, catholic priests on campuses all around this country are telling students to get abortions, use birth control and marry their homosexual partners. I guess it was just a gut feeling that campus religious leaders were preaching the doctrine as set forth by their religions. I’ll back off my supposition. My bad.
TT, at 8:05 pm EDT on August 2, 2006
At a time when most college students are disengaged and want nothing to do with politics, it is nice to see young people awake and participating in something — anything! Should we care if their actions are motivated by liberal causes or conservative ones? I think not. I am only glad that they are awake and paying attention to politics at all. This type of discourse is what deliberative democracy is all about. It is good for the students and it is good for the county.
Kelly232, at 4:45 am EDT on August 3, 2006
TT, College priests might not be encouraging people to have abortions (and, I think it is rare for people to encourage people to do this), but they do temper the Vatican’s line at more “liberal” colleges, advising students to “think about it” or “pray.” Indeed, as a rule when asked about the question, they will generally not provide answers in political terms, as they know that will discredit them.
Kelley, I differ with you. Every hour a student spends at a rally or making posters is one less hour he can spend learning and making himself smarter. There will be plenty of time for political activism after college, by which time, the student should know how to effect change without acting like a cheerleader. It is a shame that most of these activists are completely unable to read legislation, and even convince people of technical changes. Many of them speak of judicial opinions without reading them! Is this what colleges are training people to do. You seem to not care of the students are acting in an immature manner. You just want “activism” for its own sake.
Larry, at 8:25 am EDT on August 3, 2006
First, I never claimed that thinking skills are not important or that activism for its own sake is good. Nor did I claim that this is the best use of students’ time. I only said that, on a bright note, at least they are paying attention and engaged, which is more than I can say for most. Of course we all want them to be informed and read judicial opinions before commenting on them — this is a non-argument. What you fail to recognize is that interest in politics proceeds political knowledge and that students don’t automatically become engaged in politics after gaining an education — something has to spark an interest. If this is the spark, fine by me. Their methods of participation will mature in time, but even this unsophisticated form of participation may be beneficial — their interest in politics will expose them to new perspectives and viewpoints and this will help them to develop their critical thinking skills.
Second, while it is true that every hour spent at one activity is time not spent at another, you make some pretty big assumptions about the alternative uses of time in this game. There is no evidence that participating in political rallies takes time away from studies — it probably only takes time away from video games, “my space", online chat rooms, or something far worse. This is especially true since this “conference” took place over summer break. Let’s be realistic about how students would be spending their time if not here. And perhaps you can look at this activity in terms of “social capital” gained?
kelly232, at 11:10 am EDT on August 3, 2006
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Republican co-optation of 9-11
What is it about September 11, 2001 that makes Republicans and conservatives want to co-opt it for political purposes? The terrorist actions that day will certainly be burned in the American conscience for decades to come, and rather than turning the memorial to victims killed at the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, or in the crash of flight 93 in Pennsylvania into a moment of patriotism focused on civilian war casualties?
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Dan, at 7:30 am EDT on August 1, 2006