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August 23, 2006

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Beloit College has released its latest "Mindset List," to help academics understand what freshmen know -- and what they don't have a clue about. This list has been prepared each August since 1998 and past lists are available online.

Here is this year's list, for the Class of 2010:

1. The Soviet Union has never existed and therefore is about as scary as the student union.
2. They have known only two presidents.
3. For most of their lives, major U.S. airlines have been bankrupt.
4. Manuel Noriega has always been in jail in the U.S.
5. They have grown up getting lost in “big boxes”.
6. There has always been only one Germany.
7. They have never heard anyone actually “ring it up” on a cash register.
8. They are wireless, yet always connected.
9. A stained blue dress is as famous to their generation as a third-rate burglary was to their parents’.
10. Thanks to pervasive head phones in the back seat, parents have always been able to speak freely in the front.
11. A coffee has always taken longer to make than a milkshake.
12. Smoking has never been permitted on U.S. airlines.
13. Faux fur has always been a necessary element of style.
14. The Moral Majority has never needed an organization.
15. They have never had to distinguish between the St. Louis Cardinals baseball and football teams.
16. DNA fingerprinting has always been admissible evidence in court.
17. They grew up pushing their own miniature shopping carts in the supermarket.
18. They grew up with and have outgrown faxing as a means of communication.
19. “Google” has always been a verb.
20. Text messaging is their e-mail.
21. Milli Vanilli has never had anything to say.
22. Mr. Rogers, not Walter Cronkite, has always been the most trusted man in America.
23. Bar codes have always been on everything, from library cards and snail mail to retail items.
24. Madden has always been a game, not a Super Bowl-winning coach.
25. Phantom of the Opera has always been on Broadway.
26. “Boogers” candy has always been a favorite for grossing out parents.
27. There has never been a “skyhook” in the NBA.
28. Carbon copies are oddities found in their grandparents’ attics.
29. Computerized player pianos have always been tinkling in the lobby.
30. Non-denominational mega-churches have always been the fastest growing. religious organizations in the U.S.
31. They grew up in minivans.
32. Reality shows have always been on television.
33. They have no idea why we needed to ask “...can we all get along?”
34. They have always known that “In the criminal justice system the people have been represented by two separate yet equally important groups.”
35. Young women’s fashions have never been concerned with where the waist is.
36. They have rarely mailed anything using a stamp.
37. Brides have always worn white for a first, second, or third wedding.
38. Being techno-savvy has always been inversely proportional to age.
39. “So” as in “Sooooo New York,” has always been a drawn-out adjective modifying a proper noun, which in turn modifies something else.
40. Affluent troubled teens in Southern California have always been the subjects of television series.
41. They have always been able to watch wars and revolutions live on television.
42. Ken Burns has always been producing very long documentaries on PBS.
43. They are not aware that “flock of seagulls hair” has nothing to do with birds flying into it.
44. Retin-A has always made America look less wrinkled.
45. Green tea has always been marketed for health purposes.
46. Public school officials have always had the right to censor school newspapers.
47. Small white holiday lights have always been in style.
48. Most of them have never had the chance to eat bad airline food .
49. They have always been searching for “Waldo”.
50. The really rich have regularly expressed exuberance with outlandish birthday parties.
51. Michael Moore has always been showing up uninvited.
52. They never played the game of state license plates in the car.
53. They have always preferred going out in groups as opposed to dating.
54. There have always been live organ donors.
55. They have always had access to their own credit cards.
56. They have never put their money in a “Savings & Loan."
57. Sara Lee has always made underwear.
58. Bad behavior has always been getting captured on amateur videos.
59. Disneyland has always been in Europe and Asia.
60. They never saw Bernard Shaw on CNN.
61. Beach volleyball has always been a recognized sport.
62. Acura, Lexus, and Infiniti have always been luxury cars of choice.
63. Television stations have never concluded the broadcast day with the national anthem.
64. LoJack transmitters have always been finding lost cars.
65. Diane Sawyer has always been live in Prime Time.
66. Dolphin-free canned tuna has always been on sale.
67. Disposable contact lenses have always been available.
68. “Outing” has always been a threat.
69. Oh, The Places You’ll Go by Dr. Seuss has always been the perfect graduation gift.
70. They have always “dissed” what they don’t like.
71. The U.S. has always been studying global warming to confirm its existence.
72. Richard M. Daley has always been the mayor of Chicago.
73. They grew up with virtual pets to feed, water, and play games with, lest they die .
74. Ringo Starr has always been clean and sober.
75. Professional athletes have always competed in the Olympics.

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  • Posted by 20yr old on February 10, 2008 at 12:05am EST
  • 1. The soviet union existed until 2000, when they finally got new maps in the area high schools.

  • The Class of 1966
  • Posted by Jim Kissel on March 2, 2008 at 11:15am EST
  • Here is the list, for the Class of 1966:
    1. The Cuban missile criss was just 4 years ago.
    2. Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson
    3. The 707 was the long distance workhorse. The 747 would make it first flight for three years
    4. Fidel Castro was the boggy man on the U.S.A's southern doorstap.
    5. Northland Center, Detroit had been open for 12 years, and you needed to remember which sector (color) and row (number) you parked in.
    6. The Iron curtain was real. The Czechoslovakia would enjoy a brief breath of freedom in about 2 years. Hungarian revolution of 1956 saw about 250,000 people flee.
    7. I worked for Hamidies Bros. (sp) for a while as a bagger and the tills did ring.
    8. TCP/IP was still 4 years in the future.
    9. Nobody talked about sex.
    10. I always wanted to sit in the front seat.
    11. A coffee has always taken longer to make than a milkshake?
    12. L.S.M.F.T.
    13. A mink stole was still the height of fashion for the Nouveau riche
    14. Race riots didn't get much press.
    15. The first Superbowl will be played in 1967
    16. Crick and Watson published the outline double helix structure of DNA just 13 years ago.
    17. The girls up pushing their own miniature baby buggys.
    18. Snail mail was in vogue but you make a long distance phone call if you needed to.
    19. Fink was a somewhat trendy a noun/verb.
    20. Western Union and telegraph still enjoyed a communication niche. Telex was a work horse of business that could afford it.
    21. Jerry Lee Lewis's third wife was 13 when they married.
    22. The Huntley-Brinkley Report was 10 years old.
    23. Bar codes started to be used commercially in 1966!
    24. 'Risk' was a popular board game.
    25. Lon Chaney Sr. stared in Phantom of the Opera
    26. “Boogers” were black/gray gobs found in your nose.
    27. Skyhooks were high-altitude ballons. Joseph Kittinger free-fall jumped from one at an altitude of 102,800 feet.
    28. Carbon copies were less messy than mimeograph machines.
    29. Hamon was the best electric organ built.
    30. The Second Vatican Council took place 1962-1965
    31. They grew up in 55 Chevy's and pickup trucks.
    32. “This is your life” ran on NBC from 1952 until 1961 and again in 1972.
    33. We had no idea why they needed to ask “...can we all get along?”
    34. They have always known that “In the criminal justice system the people have been represented by two separate yet equally important groups.”
    35. Don't remember about young women’s fashions. I was just interested in young women.
    36. I rarely mailed anything using a stamp.
    37. Brides have always worn white for a first, second, or third wedding.
    38. Mr Wizard made us a generation of nerds.
    39. “Like man....”
    40. “Leave it to beaver” and “Ozzie and Harriet (Rick Nelson)” not forgetting Dick Clark's American Bandstand...”it's got a good beat....It's easy to dance to...”
    41. Vietnam on the 6 o'clock news was just around the corner.
    42. nothing comes to mind....
    43. Back-combed bouffant + hair spray for the girls, “a littly dab 'ill do ya” for the boys until the Beatles arived.
    44. Wrinklies had a face lift if they could afford it.
    45. Liption “Brisk!”
    46. Public school officials had the right to tell you where you could buy a class ring.
    47. Blue only holiday lights were in style.
    48. Most of us and never been on an airline let alone sampled their food.
    49. nothing comes to mind...
    50. The really rich have regularly expressed exuberance with outlandish birthday parties (same in 1966).
    51. Ralf Nader was always making a splash.
    52. They never played the game of state license plates in the car (same 1966).
    53. Going steady meant you always had a date on Saturday night.
    54. The first human to human heart transplant wouldn't take place until next year.
    55. BankAmericard was introduced in 1958. Mastercard came along in 1966. My dad gave me a gas (petrol) credit card my last year at university (1970).
    56. Everybody used “Savings & Loan.”
    57. Sara Lee only made pastry.
    58. Bad behavior was so un-cool.
    59. Walt Disney World, Florida wouldn't open for 5 years.
    60. Ted Turner won't found CNN for another 14 years.
    61. Beach are a place where you can swim.
    62. The Beetle was ok if you were a nerd.
    63. Cinemas stilled played the national anthem at the close.
    64. no match in my parallel universe...
    65. David Frost has always been on television.
    66. “Chicken of the Sea” was a favorite canned tuna.
    67. One of my friends wore hard contact lens.
    68. You could always squeal your tires as you drove through the local A&W,
    69. “The Cat in the Hat” by Dr. Seuss was a childhood favorite.
    70. We just to “give it the finger”.
    71. What good for General Motors is good for the USA.
    72. Richard J. Daley has always been the mayor of Chicago.
    73. We have real cats and dogs for pets that you had to feed, water, and play games with, lest they die.
    74. Ringo Starr was the drummer for the Beatles.
    75. Professional athletes have always competed in the Olympics (same in 1966).

  • to archie bunker
  • Posted by rob on March 4, 2008 at 2:05pm EST
  • born in 1957 and most of my early years we only had screw in bulbs (like in your dinning room light )no little white lights

  • License plates?
  • Posted by Earnest Iconoclast on March 5, 2008 at 1:25pm EST
  • My kids definitely play the license plate game in cars even though they have DVD players and portable game systems. My daughter is especially interested in spotting all 50 states.

  • Posted by John Fembup on August 23, 2006 at 7:55am EDT
  • Yes indeed . . . but what is this one doing in the list>

    52. They never played the game of state license plates in the car.

  • Who cares
  • Posted by Archie Bunker , Vice Principal at Welton Middle School on August 23, 2006 at 9:35am EDT
  • What's the point of this? Much of the claims are wrong: "Small white holiday lights have always been in style." Really? It just serves to illustrate how far out of touch the Baby Boom generation is with everything.

  • And what is next?
  • Posted by MDG , Director of Graduate Studies at Kentucky State University on August 23, 2006 at 9:35am EDT
  • My daughter and oldest son (20 and 22), both learned to drive a standard shift and are very good at it. My daughter, who needed a car for where she went to school (had to drive to several remote sites for classes) acquired a 1993 5-speed Honda. Upon returning from school, she complained that it would lose power going up long hills. They are bright and alert to the world, and would have few problems with the 75 items in the list, including having played the "state liscence plate game." My most recent failing as a father, though? Not having taught them to downshift.

    Herein lies the metaphor for my wireless, connected, hip, confident, friends-all-over- the-world children: They do not know how to downshift. After a couple of runs to Starbucks, I am not sure they ever will.

  • Posted by MWJ on August 23, 2006 at 9:40am EDT
  • There is no need--they are listening to ipods and watching DVDs in the back seat. Who needs to make up silly games for entertainment?

  • Posted by RPD on August 23, 2006 at 9:40am EDT
  • 72 Richard M Daley has always been mayor of Chicago.

    I'm 42, and Richard Daley HAS always been mayor of Chicago (with a very brief intereggnum.

  • License Plates
  • Posted by Unapologetically Tenured on August 23, 2006 at 9:45am EDT
  • Yeah, that one got me, too, at first. I think it means that today's young travelers have so many entertainment options (hand held video games, DVD players, i-Pods, etc.) that parents no longer have to come up with ways to keep them from getting bored during long car trips.

    Too bad. I used to love the license plate game.

  • Posted by Wentworth Flexner on August 23, 2006 at 9:46am EDT
  • 76. Democrats have always acted like Republicans, and Republicans have always balooned debts.

  • Posted by Keith on August 23, 2006 at 9:50am EDT
  • 76. There has always been a "Mindset List" from Beloit College.

  • Snail Mail
  • Posted by Unapologetically Tenured on August 23, 2006 at 9:55am EDT
  • I'm not so sure about this one:

    "36. They have rarely mailed anything using a stamp."

    The line at the campus post office is almost always fairly long. They must be doing something there...

    And I don't get this one at all:

    "14. The Moral Majority has never needed an organization."

    Do they mean that it has never *been* an organization?

  • Posted by Jim Browne on August 23, 2006 at 10:20am EDT
  • This used to be an interesting list when it had about 10 items on it.....

  • this is terrifying
  • Posted by Paul Gowder on August 23, 2006 at 10:50am EDT
  • I'm about to go back to grad school after already going through law school and a few years working -- I've finally reached the age where this stuff is truly scary. Before, ho-hum, these lists didn't faze me. But now... but now... can they really be so young that the Soviet Union has never existed to them? (Well, if it were true.)

    (They must have seen 3 presidents, incidentally. An 18 year old today would have been born in 1988: Bush Sr., Clinton, and Bush Jr.)

    #27 is the one that really threw me for a loop. Anyone who doesn't love Kareem is dead to me.

  • Posted by Keith on August 23, 2006 at 10:50am EDT
  • I think the Moral Majority statement means that in general this generation is more conservative than ones in the past, and they haven't needed a distinct organization to fight for those values.

  • Posted by David on August 23, 2006 at 11:10am EDT
  • What they mean on the one about presidents is not the ones that have been in office while they were alive, but instead the ones they've "known", or were aware of. I think two is probably right.

  • Posted by 40-year old on August 23, 2006 at 11:55am EDT
  • My understanding of #52 is that there ARE no long car trips any more. If you need to travel across states, you fly. If you can not afford to fly, chances are you have no reason to travel across states.

  • Posted by Bill Adams on August 23, 2006 at 11:55am EDT
  • I don't really get #46: "Public school officials have always had the right to censor school newspapers." Yeah, I realize that the issue went up to the Supreme Court in the last twenty years or so, but the decision just reaffirmed the status quo ante. The principal could always censor, or at least shut down, the paper at will, whether anyone thought it very Constitutional or not. There may have been five years or so there where a lot of kids thought their school paper had First Amendment rights -- as long as they didn't test them -- but that's about it.

  • Posted by Janice on August 23, 2006 at 11:55am EDT
  • Am I just getting old, or is this year's list pretty lame? (Or both?) Their use of "always" and "never" is used with much artistic license, which kind of makes the list rather useless.

    19. “Google” has always been a verb. (Google didn't really take off until 1998, and even if it became a part of our lexicon right away, which I don't think it did, these freshmen would have been 9 or 10. Perhaps somebody should alert Beloit College folks that this time span doesn't constitute "always." This item shouldn't make it into this list until at least 2010.)

    60. They never saw Bernard Shaw on CNN. ("Never" might be overstating it, as he just retired six years ago.)

  • 76
  • Posted by Znosko Borovsky on August 23, 2006 at 12:25pm EDT
  • 76. Usama bin Laden has always roamed free. The "war on terror" has been waged since they were 12, congress has aways been republican and a tool of the presidency. And ever since puberty: democracy has been subjgated by leaders who rule by fear.

  • I'm not supposed to know that?
  • Posted by Jessica Stier on August 23, 2006 at 12:25pm EDT
  • My father found this and thought it was funny, so he decided to show it to me. I must say I feel like the intelligence of my generation is being vastly understated. Only about a fourth of those applied to me, and I'm pretty average.

  • This list is dumb.
  • Posted by trish on August 23, 2006 at 1:25pm EDT
  • Number 33: Isn't it "Can't we all just get along?"

  • Freshmen Don't Know
  • Posted by James on August 23, 2006 at 1:45pm EDT
  • 57. Sara Lee has always made underwear.

    Is Sara Lee making candy coated Paris Hilton panties?

  • #77
  • Posted by Christopher Burgis on August 23, 2006 at 1:45pm EDT
  • They have never dressed as, or even dared to coinsider being, a Hobo for Halloween.

  • Posted by madachode on August 23, 2006 at 1:45pm EDT
  • Kids, when you can go thourgh college without having your parents pay your rent, then you have a right to post messages on the Internets, till then shut up and color.

  • Posted by Covarde Anonimo on August 23, 2006 at 2:05pm EDT
  • Jessica, older generations _ALWAYS_ underestimate the newer ones. i remember reading an arcticle about how some famous ancient greek philosophers used to complain about how the young of their time we spoiled, dumb and alienated.

    you'll probably make the same mistake with your own children. it's part of growing old.

  • Twas always thus
  • Posted by normalvision , Prof. of English (ret.) on August 23, 2006 at 2:05pm EDT
  • I recall standing in a classroom exactly 40 years ago quoting from a text on the illegitimacy of name-calling in arguments. After I read off a few of the stigmatizing terms, a student raised a hand to ask, "What's a 'fellow traveler?'"

  • Posted by bob on August 23, 2006 at 2:10pm EDT
  • How about the fact that todays freshman has always had a zillion channels on TV to choose from? And they have no idea that TV's used to require an antenna to get the few channels that were available.

  • This is a joke.
  • Posted by Proffessor Slacker , Dr. at UCF on August 23, 2006 at 2:50pm EDT
  • Dont you guys understand that.

  • TV..
  • Posted by Stefanie on August 23, 2006 at 2:50pm EDT
  • or how about TV has always been in color and come with a remote? My kids can't fathom how TV worked without a remote. "A dial? what's that?"

  • I'm 21.
  • Posted by Chris on August 23, 2006 at 2:50pm EDT
  • I must be a genius. I am more world aware than most of my peers, but I get more than 65 of these items. The only ones I have trouble with are the names. I'm Canadian, and it just makes me wonder if all the American youth are idiots, or this list is a bunch of phooey.

  • Posted by Zac on August 23, 2006 at 3:00pm EDT
  • Hey madachode, do you count someone doing well enough to have scholarships pay for expenses or someone taking out student loans, not to mention jobs we have during college, because some of us do that, you know. Granted, I'm a college senior at this point, but I'm sure there are still kids doing this. Try to be less ignorant in your condescension; otherwise why should we take you seriously?

  • Posted by Jeff on August 23, 2006 at 3:25pm EDT
  • The Simpsons have always been on the air.

  • Germany?
  • Posted by Dan on August 23, 2006 at 3:35pm EDT
  • Regarding item #6:
    Germany was unified October 3, 1990. That's not yet 16 years ago. Students entering college might not REMEMBER two Germanys, but they were there for them.

  • Losing its value...
  • Posted by The Dude , Manager/Student at Colorado State University on August 23, 2006 at 3:45pm EDT
  • This list seems to be degenerating into a sensationalist attempt to exhibit the newer generation's ignorance. Earlier on, the list was a pretty good compendium of 'reality checks' for modern administrators, but now it is nothing more than a bunch of semi-accurate assumptions thrown together to make old people feel more 'worldly'. I would add that many of the points are either flatly inaccurate (19, 36, 57) or absolutely pointless (the rich throw parties? No way. People like white holiday lights? Get out!)

  • Take him seriously?!!
  • Posted by dedigger on August 23, 2006 at 3:50pm EDT
  • Zac, we shouldn't...that's the whole point, he was joking. Glad to see your college education is paying off!

  • Ageism
  • Posted by Nick at RHIT on August 23, 2006 at 4:00pm EDT
  • As a member of the college class of 2007 (and a rent- and tuition-payer for the past few years), I can say with authority that this list was written from the perspective of someone who knows very little about teens and views them stereotypically. I don't know exactly what is meant by "Beloit College", but I'll wager it's not "the students of Beloit College" who composed the wording of this list.

  • Posted by Joseph on August 23, 2006 at 4:10pm EDT
  • All they did was list a bunch of developments that occurred in the past six years and say things have "always" or "never" been a certain way as though people don't remember anything before the age of thirteen.
    If adults actually buy this type of thing, then THEY are the naive ones, not me.
    Also take my word for it: this generation has access to a lot of information, and we can absorb it very quickly. This will become more and more apparent as you get dumber and dumber relative the younger population, and you can take that one to the bank (since you don't know how to do it electronically.)

  • Posted by Joseph on August 23, 2006 at 4:10pm EDT
  • And madachode was obviously not entirely joking.

  • Way Off
  • Posted by College Student on August 23, 2006 at 5:45pm EDT
  • I'm a college student, maybe 10% of these applied to me. This list is more for older generations to reminisce their childhood than actual facts about today's youth. Sure there are a couple dim lightbulbs in today's youth- but they're in every generation.

    And as for "pay your own rent or go color" would you rather us enter the workforce immediately or become educated? With tuition the way it is, I work a full time and a part time job on top of being more than a fulltime student, and I still can't afford to put myself through college. Why don't you fund a scholarship program to fix that? That's what I thought.

  • Posted by Bizzy on August 23, 2006 at 5:45pm EDT
  • They have never needed to lick a stamp.
    They have never been to, or even know what, a drive-in is.

  • Posted by Amy on August 23, 2006 at 5:45pm EDT
  • I think it's about what they remember and "know" versus what they lived through. For instance, I have a niece entering college this year, and she was too young to remember the first Gulf War, even though her father (my brother) was IN it!

    That one was a scary one for me.

    Amy

  • Bernard Shaw? Diane Sawyer?
  • Posted by lollard at University of Arizona on August 23, 2006 at 5:45pm EDT
  • They've never seen Bernard Shaw on CNN? Diane Sawyer has always been on Primetime Live? Good grief, but the makers of this list are out of touch. It'd be more accurate to say that most of them have never heard of Bernard Shaw, Diane Sawyer or Primetime, and that they're far more likely to enjoy the "fake news" from Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, and draw conclusions from those shows.

  • Posted by Nell on August 23, 2006 at 5:45pm EDT
  • Those mini-shopping carts have not been around that long. I'm 22 and was well into my later teens before those came about.

  • Quality of the list
  • Posted by Bill on August 23, 2006 at 5:50pm EDT
  • The list used to be produced by professor at Beloit in the the Lit dept. I think. Im sure whats happened is he stopped doing it, maybe it wasn't fun anymore so the development office took over, not really understanding how to do it...

  • Posted by Bee on August 23, 2006 at 6:00pm EDT
  • This list is sort of insulting. Most of the historical things all happened after my class was born (the college class of 2010 was mostly born 1987-88). Which means there were four presidents: Reagan, Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43. I remember watching the news and hearing the announcement that the USSR fell in 1991, when I was just about 4. And I know a lot of kids who, in an attempt to be environmentally conscious, are learning to drive manual transmission cars because they get better gas mileage. And a lot of these "always" things happened within the last 5 or 6 years, which is implying most of my peers can't remember anything before junior high.

  • Hah...
  • Posted by Emhilradim on August 23, 2006 at 7:10pm EDT
  • Your responses definitely help the point of this list. You're just as clueless as your children. Get a clue.

  • Posted by Amanda G , What in the world? on August 23, 2006 at 8:40pm EDT
  • Alright... I am a Freshman, and hardly any of these applied to me.

    USSR - Alright, I was 3, because it ended 1991...but I was alive.

    Presidents - 4, I was born before George H.W. Bush was voted president. I REMEMBER three, but I lived through four.

    Stamps - Still use 'em, still love em. Hate the fact that they raised the prices again. Must resort to email.

    Dissing - I didn't pick that up until I was 13.

    Googling - Not a verb until I was 15, although, unfortunately, it's now made the dictionary.

    Licence plate game - Do it...heck, I still do it while I'm driving.

    Headphones in the backseat - They weren't invented until the late '90's, which means that most freshmen can't put it under the "growing up" stage, more of the "teen" stage, and still very few people had them until 00's. By the time they were very prolific, most teens were driving. What should have been put on the list was walkmans or cd players in the backseat.

    About the only thing I really agree with is the statement that every civil war or revolution is broadcast live. Unfortunately, that is also much to my chagrin, as an entire nation was villanized by media during the Balkan conflicts.

  • Posted by Marty on August 23, 2006 at 9:55pm EDT
  • I don't particularly see the point of the list anyway. Does it really affect my ability to contribute to the future of the planet that my house has ALWAYS had little white Christmas lights? Does the fact that I like to text message because it is a quick, portable, and convenient way to communicate minor messages to my friends mean that I am in some way incapable of doing anything with my life or in some other way less qualified or less intelligent? Or is it more important for me at the age of 21 to know about the current Iraq War, Hurricane Katrina, Global Warming, etc? I mean, I know that Katrina's no Bernard Shaw, but come on...

  • Headphones weren't invented until late 1990's?
  • Posted by Joe on August 24, 2006 at 4:35am EDT
  • I guess I was using something else for my walkman back in the 80's. Perhaps I was using earphones? There must be a difference there somewhere, although I don't see it.

  • No need for heat!
  • Posted by Erica on August 24, 2006 at 4:35am EDT
  • I agree some of these are lame this year. But originally, I think the lists were meant to provide a reality check about the generation gap... They weren't meant to imply value judgements - that younger people are clueless or older people are out of the loop. Take them more like simple observations - a reminder that different people have lived through different events and aren't always starting from the same frame of reference.

  • what they do not know
  • Posted by fred lapides on August 24, 2006 at 8:40am EDT
  • Incoming college students never know that the cost of college tuition rises well above the rate of inflation and does so each year but parents are never given an explanation why this is so.

  • Posted by Victoria G. on August 24, 2006 at 11:10am EDT
  • I hope this list was a joke. I'm quite ashamed to say that I read the whole list, as worthless as it was. How is this information valuable? Children don't play games on road trips anymore unless the game has batteries? This impacts their study how? Commenting has been a further waste of time. Damn your boring articles, America!

  • Posted by Kevin , Misunderstanding on August 24, 2006 at 2:00pm EDT
  • Most of the people who have read this list thinks it applies to college freshman starting this year. This list is titled the college class of 2010. If you go to their website which is included in this post, it has lists dating back to 2002. If you click the list for 2010, you will be providing with the list from above, however the heading for this list was not included in the post.
    Below is the heading.
    BELOIT COLLEGE'S MINDSET LIST®
    FOR THE CLASS OF 2010

    Members of the class of 2010, entering college this fall, were mostly born in 1988. For them: Billy Carter, Lucille Ball, Gilda Radner, Billy Martin, Andy Gibb, and Secretariat have always been dead.

    Below is a copy of the link directing you to their website.

    http://www.beloit.edu/~pubaff/mindset/index.html

    Go there and read the list that is representational of your first year for attending college.

  • The entire list
  • Posted by Scott at U.S. Government employee on August 24, 2006 at 3:35pm EDT
  • Quite honestly who gives a rip about this list, it is all history that should be touched on and explained by the parents and teachers to explain how much technology has evolved or how the world has be come less tolerant of each others actions ( Religions, Wars we should not be in and ethnicity). The focus should be on preparing our children to help make a better world for them and for us when we are old and our opinion doesn't matter anymore.In summary let's prepare them to fix it with the technology and know how that they do and will understand better than us elder people. by the way Iam only 36 with three children 18,17 and 8

  • Posted by Izzy on August 24, 2006 at 3:35pm EDT
  • >> They have never *used* an electric typewriter and have never *seen* a manual typewriter outside of a museum.

  • text messaging is ruining the world
  • Posted by Mike , pimp at Case Western Reserve University on August 24, 2006 at 3:55pm EDT
  • "Does the fact that I like to text message because it is a quick, portable, and convenient way to communicate minor messages to my friends mean that I am in some way incapable of doing anything with my life or in some other way less qualified or less intelligent?"

    Yes Marty, it does, and don't forget "less sociable and personable."

    Im 18, a college sophomore, by the way.

  • Pluto
  • Posted by Scott on August 24, 2006 at 8:25pm EDT
  • Now Iam really screwed up, I will have to explain that the Pluto used to be planet and now it is not. How do I do that? Just athought for next years list.

  • Posted by Danielle on August 25, 2006 at 5:30am EDT
  • Cheers for the list, it's a real brightener amongst the many trivial ideas on the web...the question remains, however, as to whether those of the baby boomer generation would feel a need to experience or remember many of the things that the technology of their day superseded? I still can't believe this list is updated yearly!

  • The Class of 1978-1984
  • Posted by Unapologetically Tenured on August 25, 2006 at 4:00pm EDT
  • Just to avoid work, I tried to think of what sort of things might have made the list for those of us who entered college during the period from 1974-1980 (i.e., those of us now in our late 40s). This is what I came up with:

    Alaska and Hawaii have always been states.

    Cuba has always been Communist.

    The Dodgers and Giants have always been in California.

    Polio has never been anything to worry about.

    James Dean and Marilyn Monroe have always been dead.

    Rock and roll music has always played on the radio.

    Ronald Reagan has always been a politician.

    Paul VI has always been pope.

    Man has always been in space.

    "OK," I can hear you say, "get a life..."

  • Still Chucklin'
  • Posted by Born in '54 on August 26, 2006 at 9:00am EDT
  • The list was great fun; even more hilarious were comments by some of the offended.

    Reagan, Bush, Sr. and Bush may have been elected, but they never knew how to be what I would consider a President...

  • YES, we do know things....
  • Posted by Lori , I AM a College Freshman at Ohio Northern University on August 26, 2006 at 10:15pm EDT
  • This is demeaning. I am a college freshman at one of the top 5 schools in the Midwest. Yes, I have played the license plate game, yes, I have mailed MANY MANY a letter with a stamp, and YES we have heard the sound of a cash register. I have also been on dates...without a large group. I think it is demeaning that someone would publish this list and try to say that this is who we are. It upsets me that people make our generation look bad everytime a new style comes out, or a new song comes on the radio. Three months ago as I stood at graduation, I heard the speaker sit there and say "Your generation is amazing. You are the leaders of tomorrow and we believe in YOU!" At the time I thought that was true, but after seeing this list, it makes me second guess that speaker who so believed just three months ago.

  • Posted by madachode on August 28, 2006 at 10:20am EDT
  • No Zac I wasn't joking. Lazy people come up with the biggest and longest of excuses on "Oh it's so hard", whatever. Work full time and go to school full time, it will make you a well rounded citizen and prepare you for the REAL world. Cut the ties from your mommy and daddy and be a man. get to work.

  • Just home from taking freshman (18) to college
  • Posted by Charlotte , Prof at Division I on August 28, 2006 at 9:45pm EDT
  • When my daughter was 4, she asked me what war was..the gulf war. After my trying to explain, she questioned, "Don't they know about time out?"
    Have no fear.... 2010 is brillant.

  • Posted by emcee fleshy on August 28, 2006 at 11:00pm EDT
  • They've never changed the channel with a pair of pliers.

  • Posted by Steve , papaw on August 29, 2006 at 2:35pm EDT
  • I'm 50 and Andy Griffith has always been on TV

  • lists, Beloit approach, arachnology?
  • Posted by Lilli Kuzma on August 30, 2006 at 10:10am EDT
  • I love the Beloit lists. However, I think any well-educated 18 year-old would have knowledge of the former Soviet Union. My high school sophomore, 16, has certainly acquired this knowledge in taking courses like world history, and from my husband and I telling him our view on the "Cold War", and anecdotes about when the wall came down (we were in London at the time). Also, we played silly road trip games, but then we took road trips (until this past year when gas prices made flying more practicable!). Because our son is an only child, "entertaining" him was probably more of a focus. . .also, he loves the interaction, even at an older age. He loves to watch "The Daily Show" and the "Stephen Colbert Report" with us. I am 49, and considering encouraging my son to attend Beloit. . .love the uniqueness of the school, its unabashed focus on the importance of a liberal arts education (something you don't see emphasized as much). . .and the "free spirit" attitude that has underscored Beloit's approach for so many years. My only concern? My son wants to be an arachnologist (spider scientist), and I am not sure the Beloit curriculum has specialized courses that would prepare my son for graduate studies in this specialty. Anyone know?

  • Posted by Gina on August 31, 2006 at 6:10am EDT
  • A few observations...

    Just because we didn't live through something doesn't mean we have no clue about it. I'm 31, so I don't remember the Vietnam era, but my mom has talked about it enough (her brother was stationed there) that it has become part of my consciousness.

    On the other hand...as I get older, I do notice that there are certain things that people younger than I haven't heard of. Last year, it came up at work that a 22-year-old co-worker had never heard of the show "Electric Company" - you know, the one that used to air around the same time as Sesame Street? ;)

    Oh yeah, and Richard Daley HAS always been mayor of Chicago ;) Right now it's Richard M. Daley, and before that it was his father, Richard J. Daley...that pretty much covers my whole lifetime...

  • Posted by Zac on August 31, 2006 at 2:47pm EDT
  • Madachode, once again you display your ignorance. I realized full well you weren't joking, which you would have noticed were you paying any attention. My point was that not all of us rely on our parents to pay for everything. I work two jobs and have scholarships. I have friends that work one or two jobs and have student loans. And none of us are complaining. I actually prefer not to have to depend on my parents for everything. I'm tired of people like you grouping everyone below the age of 25 together as one big worthless bunch of moochers. Get off your generational high horse.

  • Posted by Youngin' , wrong wrong wrong on August 31, 2006 at 3:46pm EDT
  • I'm in college and I've licked a stamp, gone to the drive ins. I had typewritting class in high school, on a typewritter. Lots of these are WAY WAY off and it makes me not believe the other ones because of the huge lack of credibilty. My younger sister doesn't know about maunual roll up levers in cars...she thinks they've always had buttons. It would be fun to see a list that was more correct.

  • for Lilli
  • Posted by Ellen , Beloit Alum on August 31, 2006 at 10:15pm EDT
  • I graduated from Beloit so long ago that there weren't Mindset Lists!
    My advice for your son is that he'll learn to be a spider scientist in grad school. In undergrad school he should get a well-rounded multi-faceted liberal arts education such as Beloit offers--learn about himself and about the world. He'll have the rest of his life to specialize.

  • in 10 years freshman won't remember 9/11
  • Posted by natalie on September 5, 2006 at 3:55pm EDT
  • I was reading the mindset list for 2010 and decided to scroll down to the message boards against my better judgement. Some of the comments were seriously hostile--I wanted to post a "lighten up folks!" but then I went to have a look at the one for someone born 1980/class of 2002 (like me)...ugh. Terrible. It seems that the problem with the list isn't so much that they underestimate the intelligence of the average college freshman, or that it is some comment on nostalgia or a generation gap, but rather they overestimate the tax bracket of the incoming college freshman. They do seem to have little grasp on what a child may remember--while the berlin wall wasn't terribly significant to me, I remember it well. I also remember the challenger well. I remember doing duck and cover drills in school--pre-1992. I remember 3 presidents, our B+W TV set with the plier-dial and antennae, our 8 track player and record player, and so forth. I remember 8 tracks, record players, 13 channels, black and white TV, stove-top popcorn, etc--because we couldn't afford CD players, cable, a new TV set, or a microwave. If you grew up poor (like me and many others coming to college in the age of unlimited student loans and tuition hikes) then you lived with the technology of the decade before.
    And tell me this much--if the reagan years passed me by without my notice, why would black monday 1987 mean a thing to me? A better way to phrase these would be, "this person was only 6 when such and such happened." to put a better perspective on how old the child was when a significant moment in history occured.
    Think about this one: The incoming class of 1918 would never have known a time without escalators.

  • Hilarious!!
  • Posted by Gerry Mats on September 6, 2006 at 5:45am EDT
  • Not the list, which is becoming predictable, but the comments. Way too serious indeed! Perhaps one or two of you should read the disclaimer on the Beloit College web page (http://www.beloit.edu/~pubaff/mindset/index.html).

    It's still clever because it serves as an ice-breaker for a first class. I select about 10 items for a class and list them. It also makes us over-the-hill types stop and think that what we take for granted is not what the students in our classes take for granted. Yes Virginia, there is a generation gap....

  • Cry babies
  • Posted by Ryan on September 26, 2006 at 8:25pm EDT
  • It amazes me how thin skinned the kids are today. Everything said must be carefuly analyzed so as not to offend anyone. This list just points out simple facts that are for entertainment purposes only. I was born in early 1979 yet even though a lot was going on (Iran hostage crisis a good example) I dont claimt to have lived through them. If you want to use the argument of having lived through things as opposed to being aware of them, I have been through 5 presidents, and 8 conflicts both national and international. However since I have only been fully aware of my surroundings since the age of 4 I can only claim to have noticed Panama, the cold war until its demise, Yugoslavia, Ehtiopia, Gulf War 1 and Gulf war 2. The Falklands and Grenada were not in my frame of social awareness. Am I offended if this is pointed out? Not in the least. I have no need to point out how "old school" I am to prove how cool I am. People being so easily offended are a threat to one thing....the first ammendment. i get the feeling youd be the ones to let it slip by the wayside in the future to stifle any offensive comments for any reason. If one thing can be claimed its the youth of today....or say class of 2010 has never had thick skin or been un-offended by much.

  • Posted by Lizzie on October 13, 2006 at 1:35pm EDT
  • I don't think that war is an experience that is foreign to our children. I had a boyfriend who was a soldier in the VIet Nam war to whom I wrote stamped letters on a reugular basis. My daughter, 20, writes daily toher boyfriend in Iraq, and her letters are stamped too. Just watching her live through it makes me understand that she is, indeed, thicker skinned than I am.

  • Posted by Grad on February 10, 2007 at 5:20pm EST
  • Hmmm...what if your freshman (or both of their parents) didn't grow up in the United States...

  • My son's speech at his high school graduation.
  • Posted by blair on February 13, 2007 at 10:35pm EST
  • #69. He actually read the whole book, a teacher suggested it. Actually, I was surprised how well people listened. Who knew? Dr. Seuss. He's now a junior in college doing well.

  • You'll all be hypocritical someday
  • Posted by Dirk Struthers on May 5, 2007 at 4:05pm EDT
  • You're all missing the point of this list. The people of Beloit college were never trying to compile a list of things kids don't "know", as this would be deliciously easy. The list, as it purports to be, is trying to establish a GENERAL consensus for the MINDSET of children of this age. I don't care how much you learned about The Soviet Union and the Cold War and M.A.D., you never experienced it and had it fully soaked into your consciousness during formative years. You could read book afer book and never UNDERSTAND what it means to live every day in fear of a bomb ending your life in a heartbeat. Years from now your kids will be "offended" when they are told they don't completely understand 9/11 - but this shouldn't be offensive! It will merely be true. They can never fully understand, and you as parents will understand that then.