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Sept. 11, 2006
— Scott Jaschik and Elia Powers
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So where were all these historians to complain when Fahrenheit 9-11 was released?
Joe Smith, at 8:45 am EDT on September 11, 2006
Let’s compare this list of distinquished scholars with the one that called for Clinton’s impeachment for his bold-faced, and very public lies — “I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky” — calling into question his credibility as a person, and the weakening of the presidency to the point where his ability to influence the legislative agenda of the 104th — 106th sessions of Congress was seriously compromised. If liberals want to cite the results of those sessions, they need to accept the fact that their president was preoccupied with sexual activities that he mysteriously couldn’t recall, but that he seemed to find time for, in spite of the pressures of maintaining his focus on the Nation’s welfare. These folks only find moral turpitude to be an issue if the perpetrator is a Republican; and they are quite comfortable with the unadulterated bias of network shows such as West Wing and movies like “The American President.” It’s all fair play unless it’s their ox that is being gored. The fact that standards of scholarship no longer require either high intelligence or objective perspective seems to have brought about a decided lack of both in the higher education community.
Scott, at 9:45 am EDT on September 11, 2006
I see your point, Mr. Smith, but would like to respectfully point out that there is a big difference between a clearly ideologically-driven movie, intended to make a specific case (whether you believe it has merit or not) and a “docu-drama” aired on the eve of a historical event which is marketed and presented not as entertainment but as a representation of the truth of the event and features public figures portryed by actors with fictional lines. I hated the Moore film, but let’s be honest here, there was no actor playing the President. There was footage, clipped to make a point and surrounded by voice-over assertions of opinion. A very different animal. And I remember many, many talking heads going point by point picking it apart and challenging the content. That is exactly what is happening here.
J, at 9:45 am EDT on September 11, 2006
Joe Smith simplistically asked::
“So where were all these historians to complain when Fahrenheit 9-11 was released?”
Mr. Smith fails to realize that Fahrenheit 9-11 was shown in theaters and people had to PAY to see it. In contrast, ‘The Path to Lieberman” received millions in corporate sponsorship to broadcast this piece of biased fiction FREE to peoples’ homes.
Dr. RingDing, at 10:36 am EDT on September 11, 2006
The debate is not about the merits of the content, as you so righteously state, but rather the call is for the show to be pulled off the air, at which time the subject of the debate disappears. How disengenuous of you to play the game of semantic charades!
Scott, at 11:01 am EDT on September 11, 2006
Scott, I’m a little confused by your response (and why you are attacking me as righteous and disingenuous when I’m just trying to have a polite conversation). I was just pointing out that I don’t think that the movie and the docu-drama work as two sides of an equivalent comparison. I was just saying that I can see why the historians would respond to this but not the other.
J, at 2:25 pm EDT on September 11, 2006
My intent was not to attack you personally, but rather to point out that drawing the distinction between media is a straw man. Many in academic circles refuse to acknowledge their inconsistency when it comes to objecting to misleading, inaccurate or improper messages, choosing only to question viewpoints or images that are unflattering to their political inclinations. That is the only issue of substance in this case, all the rhetoric about funding sources (who funded Farenheit 911 — certainly not movie-goers before in advance of production) and images of the public being forced to watch the current ABC production notwithstanding. Your viewpoint is legitimate and proper, but it seems to support the specious objections of historians whose call for historical accuracy goes silent when inaccuracy serves their interests. Let me know if you dig up some evidence to the contrary, and I would challenge them to do likewise. Wanna give it a try Arthur?
Scott, at 4:05 pm EDT on September 11, 2006
What was false in Fahrenheit 9/11?
Nancy, at 5:50 am EDT on September 12, 2006
I’m with Nancy here. You’ve got to prove your case. If you want to say _Fahrenheit 911_ is equivalent to _The Path to 911_, we need to see some historical falsehood presented as fact (not opinion) in _Fahrenheit 911_. We know about the Sandy Berger episode in the Rush’s-buddy production.
Perhaps you’d like to forget the less-than-stellar moments of Bush that Moore put into his film, but there’s no denying that they happened. The difference between disliking what happened and was shown in _Fahrenheit 911_ and disliking what didn’t happen but was presented as having happened in _Path to 911_ is vast—not equivalent at all.
Thane Doss, at 12:45 pm EDT on September 12, 2006
http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm
Just for an example. I would venture to say that ANY book or documentary that tries so hard to push an agenda: whether “right” or “left” is going to be this way.
Now does Kopel list ‘distortions’ or ‘lies’? Good question. I would like too see what is considered a lie in the movie in questin and see if they are distortions or outright lies.
rayner, at 12:45 pm EDT on September 12, 2006
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“We write as professional historians, who are deeply concerned by the continuing reports about ABC’s scheduled broadcast of “The Path to 9/11.” These reports document that this drama contains numerous flagrant falsehoods about critical events in recent American history. The key participants and eyewitnesses to these events state that the script distorts and even fabricates evidence into order to mislead viewers about the responsibility of numerous American officials for allegedly ignoring the terrorist threat before 2000.”
What, specifically, was false in what was aired last night?
JBM, at 7:30 am EDT on September 11, 2006