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Michigan Votes Down Affirmative Action

Michigan voters on Tuesday approved a ban on affirmative action at the state’s public colleges and in government contracting. The vote came despite opposition to the ban from most academic and business leaders in the state — and the history in which the University of Michigan played a key role in preserving the right of colleges to consider race as a factor in admissions.

Defenders of affirmative action had been encouraged in the campaign’s closing days by polls suggesting growing skepticism for the ban. But in the end, the ban won support from more than 58 percent of voters, according to unofficial results. Michigan thus followed a pattern in which some voters appear reluctant to tell pollsters of their opposition to affirmative action.

A CNN exit poll of Michigan voters suggested that the ban passed because of support from men. Sixty percent of men, but only 47 percent of women said that they backed the ban. By educational status, support for the ban was strongest among those who were college graduates, and opposition was strongest among those with postgraduate education. Among white voters, CNN found that 59 percent backed the ban, while only 14 percent of black voters did so.

The impact of the ban — known as the Michigan Civil Rights Initiative — is expected to be greatest at the University of Michigan, which has the most competitive admissions in the state. It is unclear how Michigan will respond to the change, which would take effect in the middle of an admissions cycle.

Mary Sue Coleman, president of the university issued the following statement Tuesday night — before final results were in: “We defended affirmative action all the way to the Supreme Court because diversity is essential to our mission as educators. We must keep the doors of opportunity open to all. Regardless of what happens with Proposal 2, the University of Michigan will remain fully and completely committed to diversity. I am determined to do whatever it takes to sustain our excellence by recruiting and retaining a diverse community of students, faculty and staff.”

Coleman plans to meet with students today to discuss the vote.

Donn M. Fresard, editor in chief of The Michigan Daily, which opposed the ban, said he didn’t expect major student unrest over the vote. “You are not going to see rioting on the Diag,” he said. “The average students isn’t overly upset about this, and you’d be surprised how many students support it. Especially among white students, support was pretty high.”

The Michigan Civil Rights Initiative was the brainchild of Ward Connerly, who as a regent of the University of California led that system and then the state to bar affirmative action, with statewide action coming in 1996 vote. A similar vote two years later banned affirmative action in Washington State, but efforts by affirmative action foes then shifted largely to the courts, leading to the landmark 2003 Supreme Court decisions in two cases involving the University of Michigan.

Those decisions — one about the system used by Michigan to admit undergraduates and one about the system used by its law school — effectively said that colleges could continue to use affirmative action, but couldn’t have separate systems in which extra points were awarded across the board specifically for race and ethnicity. Many critics of affirmative action had high hopes that the Michigan cases would be used by the Supreme Court to roll back its 1978 ruling in the Bakke case, which upheld the right of colleges to consider race in admissions. When Bakke largely survived, Connerly and others shifted back to the referendum approach, with a focus on Michigan.

The effort in Michigan was controversial throughout the process. Defenders of affirmative action said that those who gathered petitions on behalf of the measure deceived citizens, leading many to sign the petitions without realizing what they were supporting. When Michigan courts said that the petitions were valid, the stage was set for the campaign that ended on Tuesday.

In that campaign, critics of affirmative action consistently talked about admissions — in black and white terms — at the University of Michigan. Defenders of affirmative action stressed the potential impact of the measure on the education of female students in schools and colleges, many of which have created special programs for them, especially in math and science. The emphasis on such programs was seen in the last week as eroding support for a ban — particularly among female voters.

Stem Cells and Gay Marriage

Affirmative action was not the only controversial social issue on the ballots Tuesday. In Missouri, voters were deciding on a measure to bar state and local governments from banning stem-cell research that is legal under federal law. While some news operations were still reporting the measure too close to call this morning, the Associated Press reported that the measure — which is supportive of scientists’ right to do research — had narrowly passed.

Eight states on Tuesday considered proposals to restrict marriage to male-female couples. For public colleges and universities, the measures have raised fears that they would not be able to offer domestic partnership benefits to gay employees for their partners. Many of the marriage proposals ban not only marriage but benefits that are similar to marriage. Where states in the past have passed such measures, challenges to domestic partner benefits have followed.

In the states for which results were available as of midnight, bans on gay marriage were comfortably ahead in South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia and Wisconsin. Academic leaders in Wisconsin have been particularly concerned about the anti-gay-marriage measure. State law currently bars the University of Wisconsin from offering domestic partner benefits although the Board of Regents wants to do so. The University of Wisconsin at Madison is the only member of the Big 10 that doesn’t offer domestic partnership benefits, and some professors have indicated that they would consider leaving for other institutions if the state locked in its policy against offering domestic partner benefits.

The Board of Regents had adopted a resolution opposing the gay marriage ban.

Scott Jaschik

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I am a black female who has did a dozen of reports on affirmative action. Kelly was clearly right.you go girl! Us females of all creed or color are effected by this repeal. We have to fight for whats right. Also just to let you know I’m extremely intellegent and 12. Thank You!Bye!!

jantae’, at 2:10 pm EST on March 7, 2008

Before everyone gets the wrong idea what this referendum means: there is no constitutional requirement that universities engage in affirmative action. Instead, the Supreme Court has only said that, in some case, it AA is permissible. The referendum only means that one state chooses not to engage in it.

On the other hand, there may be constitutional reasons why public universities must offer the same benefits to domestic partners. Likewise, many state constitutional amendments may be subject to challenge under Romer v. Evans.

Larry, at 6:35 am EST on November 8, 2006

Thank you Michigan and Mr. Connerly! 47 States and one U.S. Constitution still to go to end this last remnant of legally-sanctioned discrimination.

Relieved, at 6:40 am EST on November 8, 2006

Black’s Must Be Helped to Catch-up

White America refused to allow Blacks the right to learn to read or own property or borrow money for over 100 years. The negative effects of those past practices exist today.

On the basics, we must provide Blacks with support to overcome these past practices.

The vote went too deep into the social fabric to be justice.

My hope is that rational thought overcomes this example that bigotry is alive and well in America.

William Sumner Scott, J.D.Judicial Equality Foundation, Inc.

wss@jefound.org

William Sumner Scott, J.D., at 6:55 am EST on November 8, 2006

Well, Mr. Scott, It’s interesting to note that you’ve defined my vote in support of equal treatment for everyone as evidence of bigotry. I wonder about the future of our country when “responsible” people find it necessary to define any opposing view as inherently bigoted.

L. Adler, at 7:55 am EST on November 8, 2006

Look what happened in CA

The results of the Connerly-supported initiative in CA have been quite obvious—already small minority enrollments have plunged in the years since the measure took effect.

Treating people equally is ultimately the goal, but I don’t believe for a second that the playing field in this country is level for everyone. All this initiative will do is make it harder underrepresented minorities to compete with upper-class and upper-middle-class students.

Also, when you’re voting in league with a racist group (the only group to come out in favor of this measure was a KKK offshoot), you’ve got to wonder if the measure is sound.

AE Ismail, at 8:15 am EST on November 8, 2006

reporting

Could you put the some or all of the language of the “ban on affirmative action” in the article. I’d like to see what the voters were actually voting on, not your characterization of such a contentious topic.

Douglas, at 8:45 am EST on November 8, 2006

Some of the comments here reflect the faulty thinking of race based thinking. Scott implores us to help “blacks” who are disadvantaged. But AA does not do that, it helps blacks whether they are disadvantaged or not. Colin Powell’s son gets points over a white janitors son. Most of America opposes race based affirmative action (rightly I think), but it would (and I would) support a race neutral alternative to help out disadvantaged folks of all races.

Ken, at 8:50 am EST on November 8, 2006

Wrong, Ismail

Enrollments of blacks and hispanics did indeed plunge after the ban on affirmative action in California, but hispanic levels have climbed back to their previous levels and black rates have risen, but not to their old levels.

Regardless, the problems lay in secondary education. Best to focus your efforts there, rather than penalizing whites.

Affirmative action is a horrible idea and the faster it’s done away with, the better.

Bob, at 9:15 am EST on November 8, 2006

End the Double Standards Shuck & Jive Now.......

The voters of Michigan, like those in Washington and California, when given the chance to vote on it, overwhelmingly showed how much they despise and loath all the race-baiting, ethnic hustling, and box-checking schemes so beloved by university folks.

The arrogant, brown-shirted thugs from BAMN who opposed proposal 2 in Michigan showed by vicious, anti-democratic example throughout the campaign how personally odious and nasty defenders of race and gender preferences have become.

Larry’s special pleadings ignore this shattering defeat of the whole double standards industry in Michigan and its widespread but very shallow support.

Verily, it seems more likely that in the next few years the Supreme Court may well revisit the issue, and probably drive a spike into the heart, or many nails into the coffin of, what has degenerated into a divisive, racist, sexist and mean-spirited scam operation that needs to be excised as soon as possible.

Chuck, at 9:35 am EST on November 8, 2006

Ken has a point.Examine what Texas A&M has done in an effort to diversify their campus. They targeted students who qualify for admission and are the first in their family to attend college providing finacial, academic, and counseling support. Diversity increased. Of course, they were willing to fund this effort. Are those who voted for the ban on AA willing to use A&M’s approach and fund it accordingly.

Linda Greene, at 9:35 am EST on November 8, 2006

Ken writes, “Scott implores us to help ‘blacks’ who are disadvantaged. But AA does not do that, it helps blacks whether they are disadvantaged or not.”

I think that’s a largely ignorant way to perceive AA. In reality, AA “helps” all citizens by helping to provide learning environments that have many of the characteristics that a diverse society and global world market will entail. We all benefit from AA.

Look, I know that many white males think that they are being discriminated against when AA comes into play. But, many folks apparently fail to realize that white males have an advantage on the competition because of our nation’s pervasive and deep-rooted discrimination that gave white males a form of AA for most of our history. The Supreme Court just a few years ago noted that they, “expect that 25 years from now, the use of racial preferences will no longer be necessary to further the interest approved today.” That’s not very long, but mostly white voters were too greedy to wait.

sean, Associate Professor at Grand Valley State University, at 9:36 am EST on November 8, 2006

Actual Ballot Language

Actual Ballot Languate

A PROPOSAL TO AMEND THE STATE CONSTITUTION TO BAN AFFIRMATIVE ACTION PROGRAMS THAT GIVE PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT TO GROUPS OR INDIVIDUALS BASED ON THEIR RACE, GENDER, COLOR, ETHNICITY OR NATIONAL ORIGIN FOR PUBLIC EMPLOYMENT, EDUCATION OR CONTRACTING PURPOSES The proposed constitutional amendment would: • Ban public institutions from using affirmative action programs that give preferential treatment to groups or individuals based on their race, gender, color, ethnicity or national origin for public employment, education or contracting purposes. Public institutions affected by the proposal include state government, local governments, public colleges and universities, community colleges and school districts. • Prohibit public institutions from discriminating against groups or individuals due to their gender, ethnicity, race, color or national origin. (A separate provision of the state constitution already prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color or national origin.) Should this proposal be adopted?

Val Meyers, Assoc Dir, Fin Aid at Michigan State University, at 9:45 am EST on November 8, 2006

Answer to Douglas

Douglas, From time to time I have posted source materials on here, but most academics were not interested. You can read the text of the amendment here: http://www.crcmich.org/election/Prop2language.pdf

Larry, at 9:50 am EST on November 8, 2006

I have to disagree with Mr. Scott. I do not believe that Blacks are inherently inferior to others. Nor do I believe that setting people up for failure, by inserting them into positions for which they are unqualified, is in their best interests.

What I do believe is that we should direct our efforts to ensuring that every grade school child, regardless of race, ethnicity, or other useless categorization, has a sound foundation to prepare them for their future education.

sjz, at 9:50 am EST on November 8, 2006

How can the people who supported this ban say they are for fairness and equity, but yet will not put forth an initiative to ban other types of affirmative action, like the one based on income and wealth? By not doing this, it is crystal clear what their true agenda is — limiting access for minorities, but keeping legacy and policies that favor wealth over hard work, motivation, and merit.

(If your parents can afford to send you to an SAT camp for 2 weeks in the summer and spend thousands on private tutoring and college prep. activities, the kind of preparation most of us are not privy to, it doesn’t mean you’re smarter or have more merit, it just means you have more money).

PS, at 10:01 am EST on November 8, 2006

Sins of the fathers, Sean?

Sean, do you really believe that an 18 year old white kid should pay for the sins of his/her fathers, and grandfathers unto the tenth generation? I live and teach in West Virginia and there are thousands of blond-haired, blue-eyed white kids living in abject poverty who also need “affirmative action". Eliminating race-based favoritism and replacing it with assistance based on economic/social factors is the only “fair” way to go.

Besides, Sean, you teach at Grand Valley State, so your school is likely to benefit from the increased diversity resulting from any decreased racial diversity at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor. Enjoy!

Mountaineer, Associate Professor at West Virginia University, at 10:01 am EST on November 8, 2006

frustration!

As a straight, white, middle-class, post-graduate degreed female; I am livid over the results of this election. I will never understand why we continue to vote in oppressive legislation. As a white person, I try to fight for equal rights for minorities and as a straight person I am very active in lgbt education and activism. People need to look around, see the big picture, and move beyond their personal beliefs to fight for equality.

Kelly, at 10:05 am EST on November 8, 2006

“I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character...”

S. Debray, University of Arizona, at 10:25 am EST on November 8, 2006

Reply to Kelly

As a straight, white, middle-class, post-graduate degreed male, I am thrilled over the results of this election. I will never understand why we continue to support oppressive practices; this measure is long overdue. As a American, I try to fight for equal rights for all Americans and don’t believe that people should be treated differently because of the color of their skin or their sexual orientation. People need to look around, see the big picture, and move beyond their personal bigotry to fight for equality.

Reply to Kelly, at 11:05 am EST on November 8, 2006

Congratulations

Congratulations to Michigan. Reverse racism and reverse sexism are annoying echoes of the past when people didn’t have equal rights.

Many members of various admission committees have been expected to add additional bias into their decisions in order to increase “diversity". No one would ever have the full freedom to say that these things were just wrong. There’s so much hypocricy and fraud in these matters that it makes the work of various committees unpleasant.

The biased decisions also make many institutions less efficient and they make the employees less satisfied with their position because the positions are assigned partly by an ideological key instead of the merit.

In Michigan, the people now can not only say that it is wrong to add points to someone because of her or his race of sex. It is, in fact, illegal to be deciding unequally because of someone’s desire to social-engineer all percentages of people in various jobs according to her or his irrational, ideological preconceptions.

Lubos Motl, physicist at Harvard University, at 11:10 am EST on November 8, 2006

I am very concerned that so many people hold up “treating everyone exactly the same” as “equality,” including ethnic, gender, and sexual equality.

As a heterosexual European-American male, and an evangelical Christian, I recognize that putting forward an argument of “sameness” only serves to reinforce social advantages of the “majority” (note that people like me are the majority, even when the population includes more women).

There is something people who claim to be supporting “equality” while opposing Affirmative Action should consider — the existence of privileged irresponsibility. Unfortunately there’s no Wiki page on this, but however you do so, before arguing that everyone must be treated the same, please inform yourselves about privileged irresponsibility and selective history. When I learned about them, I could not deny their existence; and when I recognized their existence, I had to change my views.

It is not to say that anyone opposed to me is a “bigot;” we all have our assumptions, which feed into our bigotries. But it is to say that, when we are properly informed, we recognize that not everyone is the same, and society does not treat everyone in the same way. Therefore, establishing laws based on sameness is a very poor way to regulate our society.

Many people will disagree with me — more power to you for caring. But if you really care, please, for your own sake, inform yourself of privileged irresponsibility and selective history. My life is so much better for it — I would wish this change on everyone (hey, I can’t help it — I’m an evangelical!).

Kirk

Kirk, PhD Student at Syracuse University, at 11:10 am EST on November 8, 2006

First I, and many who supported the MCRI, agree that other unfair preference (i.e., legacy admits) should be banned as well. But on other issues, Mountaineer could not have said my reply better concerning disadvantaged whites who are dealt with badly by affirmative action. I would add one thing: many of these kids not only should not bear the punishment for the sins of their fathers, but many of their fathers have little sins to bear. Many whites fought and died in struggles to give minorities equal rights (the Civil War, the Civil Rights movement, etc). Should one of those person’s sons or daughters be discriminated against now? You see, this is the problem with racial preferences, it makes no allowance for individuals and what they morally deserve (even if one admits what they deserve is determined by their ancestors actions). Also, Sean says “white males have an advantage on the competition because of our nation’s pervasive and deep-rooted discrimination that gave white males a form of AA for most of our history. ” Sean makes a similarly morally suspect move here: who are the “whites” he speaks of? The poor whites who are as bad off as poor blacks and minorities, or the rich whites? It is true that the average income and wealth for “whites” is higher than that of “blacks", and sadly true that these factors give de facto advantages, but this says nothing about any individual white or black person. The majority of whites are not rich, indeed the majority of poor folks in the US are white. The supporter of AA needs to argue why those poor whites should be discriminated against, because this is what AA does. It makes no allowance for this, just race.Lastly someone claimed that we “all” benefit from the diversity AA brings. One could reply that given this compelling interest it is still immoral to sacrifice a poor white kid on that altar, that racial diversity may not approximate cultural/intellectual diversity best, or that the resentment and stigma producing effects that AA may also produce are not worth the diversity benefit, but the better answer is to simply point out that the poor white kid who is denied entry or a scholarship because he or she is white is most certainly not part of this “all” that allegedly benefit.

Ken, at 11:35 am EST on November 8, 2006

Here we go AGAIN...

It never ceases to amaze me how, when people here the term “Affirmative Action,” they automatically focus on race. Then, there’s the pervasive myth of minorities — particularly Blacks — being underqualified. (You know, those Negros were never too bright. I mean, their ancestors got caught & sent here, didn’t they?) No one ever, ever, ever talks about gender. Heavens no. White women have benefitted MORE from Affirmative Action than anyone else; however, folks still think that college admissions personnel are grabbing every Black kid off the street and admitting them to their institutions.

Dear me. When oh when did we think that Whites are always qualified? When oh when did we always think that White men are qualified? Still, people go on about how slavery ended eons ago and such; yet, Jim Crow legistlation isn’t even retirement age, last I checked. Oh me oh my. Our own president is an Affirmative Action case, is he not? I mean hell, who else can come from a powerful, wealthy family, gradaute from an Ivy school with a barely passing GPA, have run-ins with the law and STILL steal an election? The conservatives are saying, “America’s becoming to Hip-Hoppety, too brown. Let’s keep THEM out, especially if it means my kid will have to suffer!”

Yee-ha. Class and race in America are so closely aligned that it’s hard to differentiate one from the other. Yes there are poor whites. Yes there are wealthy Blacks. However, the percentages still fall in favor of Blacks, because Black America is STILL recovering from centuries of institutionalized racism (Affirmative Action for whites) that denied them even the privilege to vote. Tut-tut. Remember, Jim Crow legislation hasn’t yet reached the tender old age of 65... If one were to check demographics, there were more Blacks in the South than in the North, so, how much do you think has been done to rectify all the damage “White-only” affirmative action has caused? Oh, by the way, Brown vs. Board of Ed isn’t retirement age yet EITHER. So see? One doesn’t have to go back generations, just ask your parents or an older relative. I wonder how many of YOU who are pleased with these election results got to drink from that coveted water fountain. Hmmm... How many of YOUR parents, uncles, aunts and so on got to sit in the front of the bus, and felt entitled to do so. Hmmm... Uh-oh, have I touched a nerve? Well, good. Let’s continue.

So we should address how many WHITE WOMEN are reaping the benefits of Affirmative Action. Think of ANY major university and then consider how many recently appointed a female President. BOOM! There you have it: Affirmative Action strikes again! Didn’t anyone learn anything about Harvard’s now past President? Women no excelling in the hard sciences is a fact. Still, programs that recruit women to chemistry or engineering are Affirmative Action, and are now deemed as UNFAIR. So no, Little Suzie, you’ll have no special treatment, even though you are top in your class and you’re of an infinitesimally small percentage of female students here, no retention programs for you! Now strap on those stilettos and work that bunsen burner!

Where was I? Oh, rambling...yes, yes, yes...

I attended UMich and I always find it interesting that the largest Black population was in its body of althete-students. Well, come to think of it, MOST of the major NCAA sports-programs are really good about allowing those Negros to run and jump, unfettered in the recruitment process. But then, one arrives on campus and finds the majority of brown faces working at the cafeteria, or sweeping up some fratboy’s vomit. Hmmm...is this mere coincidence? Honestly, I didn’t realize that the Negroid race was overrunning any desirable collegiate institution. I mean, really. What sane White student’s trying to attend an Historically Black College? Uh-oh Spelman! Look out Morehouse! The ANGLOS are a’coming! Maybe, just maybe, what will happen is that Blacks will go BACK to segregation and enroll their kids in HBCUs. I assure you, there will be more for these parents to consider, especially when the average Black student at the predominantly White college constantly encounters hostility for being an Affirmative Action case. Remember all those cases of kids dressing in blackface? Hmmm. I wonder if there’s a connection to this newfound resentment...

As for the faculty issue, what’s hilarious to me is that there is already a significant underrepresentation for minority faculty, especially when it comes to tenure. I mean, maybe the Black race is just as dumb and lazy as many bigoted White males were SO openly willing to point out. (THANK YOU, great White Man, for your honesty. I shall be a credit to my race! I just have to be!) Hmmm. Maybe women and that confounded maternity-leave just need to stay their pretty little heads home in their kitchens, and let men handle men’s work: research and publication. That’s right little-missy! You benefit too. You know, I won’t even get to the discrimination and bias endured by those who are on the opposite of that lively binary, especially people who are openly gay or are of an unfamiliar religion. Let’s just keep watching “Will & Grace” and believe that they embody the typical gay experience in America. Yes! You can be independently wealthy or a lawyer and be safe all the time! Oh, and never mind those who are sad and downtrodden, being gay is a full-time party! You’ll never require Affirmative Action policies to help you out. Dear me, no. Besides, when it’s time to redecorate the office, they’ll need you. You’re in!!

So yeah, let’s celebrate moving the social-progress back several decades. Let’s rejoice in re-instituting systematic bias an dprejudice against ALL who are the lesser-represented. I wonder how many White women really believe they just worked so hard and were rewarded. I wonder how many White men believe that they aren’t privileged, just because they’re struggling to get by. Race privilege in this country, and in this world, exist in ways people would never imagine. I take that back — WHITE PRIVILEGE exists in this country in ways people would never imagine. Yes, even you Billy Bob, in your trailer park have more privilege than you realize. Some may call it a myth, but let’s see them try to catch a taxi or be accidentally shot in the back by police or followed in the store or asked about intimately personal data when applying for a mortgage or...well, maybe I’m imagining things. In the latest film, “The Departed,” Jack Nicholson’s character says in the opening lines that what’s wrong with Blacks (he says Niggers in the film) is that they expect everything to be handed to them. Maybe he’s right. Maybe I’m too sensitive. I’m such a woman! Hmmm, maybe it’s all going on in my pretty little head.

SAM, at 12:25 pm EST on November 8, 2006

the next step

What is done is done. Perhaps educators should try to come up with solutions to actually obtain their stated goals. Maybe undergraduate education should strive to not discriminate against minorities, by genuinely making all opportunities available to all students, not just the students whose upbringing tells them what to do in order to be noticed by faculty.

In my view, the way that faculty treat students from poor backgrounds causes a lot more oppression than simply the race of a poor student.

Larry, at 12:30 pm EST on November 8, 2006

I am an african american male and am a supporter of socioeconomically based version of affirmative action. The disparity between the quality of life of the average white males vs. that of their respective minority counterparts is very evident. That being said I used to be a supporter of race based affirmative action but for the reasons listed by various commentators, it does not work as it should. The help given to those minorities who from a socioeconomic standpoint do not need it is just as wrong as when disadvantaged, poor whites are lumped into the same boat as their more affluent bretheren. AA has been utilized because it is hte best thing that is on the book. I would be less upset about his vote in California if it were paired with an economically based form of affirmative action because make no mistake it is necessary. The decrease of minority representation in both Texas and California gives a dark vision of what is in store in Michigan if constituents and legislators do not place more focus on the overall education policy from headstart all the way through high school. If the quality of education where even, then the playing field would be even, but until America is truly a free country, free of constraints placed on paricular individuals because of race, economics, and a historical factors.But what we as minorities should be more upset with is the historic lack of voter turnout by minorities. Until we are willing to take part in the democratic process we do not and will not live in a democracy. Even the feeling of disenfranchised voters does not give rationale to not voting. There needs to be a consistent and aggressive drive in “get out hte vote” for all Americans so that the fate of cities, states, and a country aren’t determined by a few willing to make their voice heard.

Dean, at 12:30 pm EST on November 8, 2006

Pre-Prop 2 EEO Pledge

The University of Michigan is committed to a policy of nondiscrimination and equal opportunity for all persons regardless of race, sex, color, religion, creed, national origin or ancestry, age, marital status, sexual orientation, disability, or Vietnam-era veteran status in employment, educational programs and activities, and admissions.” (emphasis added)

Maybe the voters of Michigan thought it was time to make those apparently empty promises a reality.

An institution’s desire to design their own demographics does not trump the right of individuals to not be discriminated on the basis of their race, gender, etc.

Civil liberties are granted to individuals, not demographic groups.

eddy, at 1:20 pm EST on November 8, 2006

Equality

This issue all comes down to how you view equality. Some individuals believe that the only way to achieve equality is to have everyone start with the same advantages. Others believe that equality only requires everyone be under the same rules. How one views the outcome of the Michigan decision is greatly defined by ones opinion on the definition of equality.

James, at 1:50 pm EST on November 8, 2006

EQUALITY

James, that is definitly one the very important thing to think about. I have been pondering on that topic but really don’t have a good argument that can convience myself yet. Anyone have a thought?

Duncan, at 3:55 pm EST on November 8, 2006

AA supporters don’t want to fix the real problem

It’s interesting that both sides assume white males are the primary victims of AA. But there is solid empirical research (e.g. by Espenshade and Chung of Princeton) to show that the true victims are Asians. Sure, whites lose some slots to AA, but they make it up on legacy and athletic admits (after all, most of those cross country and lacrosse rosters aren’t filled with folks of color).

Meanwhile, William Scott is completely right to remind us that African-Americans still suffer from the after-effects of slavery. As a white Republican who supported MCRI, I freely admit that it is our duty as a nation (and as taxpayers) to ensure that educational justice is finally served for the great great grandchildren of the slaves.

But AA as it currently exists does not accomplish this noble and necessary goal, it’s just an entitlement program for the black middle class, Many of its beneficiaries are in fact of African or Carribean rather than true African-American descent (think Obama at Harvard).

AA at elite colleges and law schools intervenes far too late in life to help African-American children overcome the still living legacy of slavery. To solve the real problem, Democrats and Republicans will have to join hands to fix the hideous educational death trap that our urban public schools have become. In a nutshell, this means raising property taxes on well-off white home owners and breaking the power of the teachers’ unions to resist the introduction of market competition and parental choice (aka vouchers).

Both conditions are indispensable. Right now it doesn’t look like either side is willing to sacrifice its sacred cows. A little leadership from the Democratic side of the fence might help right now — as a Republican, I’m telling you that I and many like me are willing to talk turkey about taxes. But I’m not holding my breath.

Jeff, at 3:55 pm EST on November 8, 2006

Individuals or Groups

James — To amplify your point, there are those who believe that equal group results are the preferred measure of fairness. It is a collectivist view that relies on the ‘fallacy of division’. It presumes demographic co-ops where being equitable to groups inures to the benefits of all its individual constituents.

The individualist view recognizes that civil liberties are granted in individually sized portions, not bulk grants to whole demographic groups.

The collectivist view suggests that whites and Hispanics are surely discriminated against in the NBA, and somehow Jews have concocted a conspiracy to dominate in media ownership, law, and medicine.

Unless you live in an unusual neighborhood, in my locality we white males aren’t pooling our resources. Any unjust enrichment gained by white males aren’t being shared equitably with white males in the trailer park.

Individual fairness is the only viable option.

eddy, at 3:55 pm EST on November 8, 2006

Real Affirmative Action

Contrary to what many of my fellow commentators in this forum have said, affirmative action is not relevant for every higher education institution, neither is it about admitting those who are unqualified. The book Shape of the River by Bowen and Bok does an excellent job of demonstrating that affirmative action policies are only relevant for and practiced by the 200 or so moderate to highly selective postsecondary institutions in the U.S. Out of over 4000 postsecondary institutions nationwide, this is a mere drop in the bucket. Related to this point though is the fact that for most college students, regardless of race, gender, or ethnicity, they are attending a college or university that is NOT practicing affirmative action. Let’s take note of the fact that there is a difference between having a equal opportunity statement and an affirmative action statement. The University of Michigan used affirmative action, Wayne State University does not and does not need to in order to achieve racial, ethnic, or gender diversity. Why is this important to know? Because contrary to popular belief, the vast majority of White traditional age college students were not likely denied admission to their preferred college on the basis of affirmative action since the institutions that use affirmative action do not admit any where near a majority of college students.

Secondly, AA has nothing to do with admitting those who are unqualified for admission. For instance, let’s say Selective University has a minimum GPA requirement of 3.3 and minimum SAT requirement of 1200. You have Joe App who has a GPA of 3.9 and an SAT of 1400 and Bill App with a GPA of 3.3 and SAT of 1250. Only one spot remains in the first year class, so only one of these can be admitted. Guess what, they are BOTH qualified for admission to Selective University because they BOTH have scores equal to or above the university’s minimum requirements. How do I break this tie? Well, Selective University has a racial/ethnic population that’s 93% White, 3% non-White, and 4% international with very few first-generation students and a lot of upper-middle and upper class students. Having a diverse student body is important to Selective U. so I look now at race/ethnicity. Bill App is a person of color(he could also be first generation and/or working class). Joe App looks like most of the students who are already there (White, parents attended college, upper-middle class), so Selective admits Bill App, a QUALIFIED applicant and denies Joe App, who is ALSO qualified. Has Selective denied Joe App his equal rights by denying him admission? NO. Selective has simply exercised its right to practice academic freedom to choose its first-year class.

Under the same example, none of those who are applauding the vote in Michigan would have a problem with denying Joe App if Bill App was working class, first generation, and White. Why do you have a problem denying Joe App when the difference is race? Consider that a rhetorical question.

Dafina Stewart, Ph.D., Assistant Professor at Bowling Green State University, at 3:55 pm EST on November 8, 2006

1.) Academics have defined admissions criteria to universities upon academic achievement. They seek to have the brightest of the bright in their classrooms. Then they are “surprised” that their rosters are filled with the children of privilege, whose socio-economic benefits allow them to excel at such criteria. Never is the idea that a lesser student might benefit more from exposure to an “elite” professoriate more than a child of privilege would. That child of privilege is already equipped to excel just about anywhere.

2.) Affirmative Action was conceived of by the Court as one possible remedy for past illegal discrimination. As conceived, it would serve to break ties between two candidates of EQUAL qualification, offering the selection to the qualified candidate from a group that has historically suffered from said illegal discrimination. As used, it has served to promote those of lesser qualification over the more qualified. Clearly, it has done more to pit groups against each other than it has to remedy past discrimination.

3.) Generalizations and name-calling have done nothing to advance the debate here. There never will be a solution to such social issues if people cannot disagree with one another without being accused of crimes and sins. Until folks begin to search for the truth and goodness in each other’s points of view, no satisfactory solution will ever be found to any of our social ills.

Michael, at 3:55 pm EST on November 8, 2006

This issue all comes down to how you view equality. Some individuals believe that the only way to achieve equality is to have everyone start with the same advantages. Others believe that equality only requires everyone be under the same rules. How one views the outcome of the Michigan decision is greatly defined by ones opinion on the definition of equality.

The most astute observation of the day... the accusations on both sides that others are willfully bigoted or discriminatory is rather juvenile.

K.T., at 3:55 pm EST on November 8, 2006

Equality means EQUAL!!!!!

I always thought equality means equal...not some people get more quality “points” because they belong to some oppressed minority. Several years ago, when this initiative was first being booted around, a friend of mine applied a ficticious individual to the University of Michigan...he was white, went to a western Michigan high school, had above average grades, was an athlete (but not terribly talented)...the applicant was rejected...the “real” name of the applicant was Gerald R. Ford...go figure.

Richard A. Vail, Ph.D., at 6:25 pm EST on November 8, 2006

The Public Has Spoken

The public has definitely spoken on the issue of affirmative action. This is the third time that a state has passed a ballot initiative banning state supported affirmative action.

The MCRI was opposed by the major newspapers, university administrations, the unions, the civil rights organizations and many religious organizations. The proponents of the measure were routinely caricatured as prejudiced or at best misguided. The opponents outspent the supporters by at least three to one. Yet the measure passed with an almost 3 to 2 majority.

The thing is that most of the people who are in the college administrations and are leaders of civic organizations occupy positions of privilege in our society. Most people who vote do not. They are not legacies, they are not rich, and they have not ever had anything handed to them on a silver platter. When their children apply to college nobody is looking out for their kid’s applications. The opponents of MCRI are asking the majority of people to work very hard to make the money to pay the taxes to support the elite state universities where their children are discriminated against. Did anyone really expect them to vote against a measure that to most people is simply a matter of fairness?

I have one question for the President of the University of Michigan.

What part of no don’t you understand?

The admissions policies of the University were flagrant violations of the fourteenth amendment and now they will be violations of Michigan State Law.

The pros and cons of AA have been debated for years. What the MCRI vote tells us is that as far as the American public is concerned the issue is essentially settled with a sizeable majority of people opposed to it.

Jonathan Cohen, at 6:25 pm EST on November 8, 2006

Is Elitism Progressive?

Re-read the article above, focusing on the class implications. It’s a story about the elites and the non-elites. It’s a story about contempt that flows down hill toward the less elite. It’s a story about elites who quite simply do not want to obey the law, and who feel that their station in life and their estimation of their own moral worth excuses non-compliance. Now, class-based sympathy for lower classes is hardly absent on campuses. Are there any professors out there uncomfortable with the privilege-hubris being shown by UM administrators?

Bernardo O’Boyle, at 7:05 pm EST on November 8, 2006

Hail to the Victors?

As a UM alumna, I am not surprised that the state of Michigan finally got rid of Affirmative Action. It IS Klan country after all. I’m actually shocked it took this long to do away with the policy. It was working too well, after all.

Oh, note, these people will cheer for the athlete, but they vehemently oppose ANY possible threat to their status and privilege. I do recall that after orientation, there was an unofficial “Black orientation” where students warned freshmen where NOT to go, even during sunrise. It seems that the Klan’s beloved Grand Dragon was also a “neighbor” who lived not too far away from good-ole A-Squared (Ann Arbor).

I also came across this lovely tidbit while net-surfing: http://www.mediamouse.org/features/101306racis.php

Yes, there are some towns, like Howell, MI, where non-whites are virtually non-existent. There was a significant amount of racial hostility and tension on campus when I was there nearly a decade ago. I wonder, now that everyone’s being held to the same standard (although many have a greater head-start), what will the new sources of tension be?

How does one view equality? Well, it’s hard to say when the Western paradigm as always been to play with a stacked deck...

Grad Student, at 7:20 pm EST on November 8, 2006

I’ve been so concerned lately about right wing ideologues targeting academe I forgot at how silly some on the academic left can be (those right wing boogeymen do have some truth to them after all). How else to account for claims such as “Michigan is Klan country” and Sam’s abusive rant about “white Billy Bobs in trailer parks?” Not only is reverse discrimination OK for these folks, but reverse bigotry in general it seems. But there have been some arguments offered in favor of affirmative action. Dr. Stewart makes a commonly heard argument that may very well be generalizably true (I say may because most institutions fight hard to keep their admissions preferences secret): “Joe App who has a GPA of 3.9 and an SAT of 1400 and Bill App with a GPA of 3.3 and SAT of 1250. Only one spot remains in the first year class, so only one of these can be admitted. Guess what, they are BOTH qualified for admission to Selective University because they BOTH have scores equal to or above the university’s minimum requirements. How do I break this tie? ” I’m afraid my answer is all too easy Dr. Stewart, that is not a tie. One person clearly is MORE qualified than the other. Now perhaps the fact that one has higher grades and test scores is not the best indicator of qualified, but it certainly has the advantage of being reasonably relevant to academic success and achievement, which skin color does not possess.Lastly Sam seems to elude to a position that the MCRI opponents focused on recently, that white women benefit the most from affirmative action. Do they? How many points were awarded for being a white women? I’m not aware of any such thing, in fact this is why the plaintif in the SCOTUS case was a white woman. Do white women, or for that matter many minority group members, often get promoted or chosen for less than ‘meritorious’ reasons (such as public relations, political, etc)? Sure, so do white men at times. But this is again a de facto thing not an institutionalized legally sanctioned thing. Both may be bad, and we may want to askour government to take active steps to combat de facto discrimination, but certainly we will want to first end de jure discrimination. This is what Michigan’s voters did.

Ken, at 8:25 pm EST on November 8, 2006

Thank you, Michiganders

The comment by Jonathan Cohen is compelling, poignant, and powerful. It says it all with brevity and accuracy.

The weeping, hand-wringing, racist allegations, guilt-tripping, finger-pointing, and enraged charges from the brown-shirted thugs of BAMN and their preferences supporters will continue to rain down on the voters, the campuses and chat rooms for months on end.

The bottom line truth is that the American people have repudiated racist double standards and group differences in treatment for public employment, contracting and admissions.

The diversity zealot President at Ann Arbor can stomp, fume and stammer all she likes, eerily resembling George Wallace standing in the school doorway vowing “never.”

But a brigade of lawyers will be watching UofM and public contracting agencies like hawks and at the first sign of their law breaking, down will come the hammer and the gavel.

“Whenever the railroad train of history goes around a sharp curve,” observed Lenin, “a certain group of intellectuals fall off.”

Adios, Mary Sue Coleman and her desperate band of race-thinkers. Thank you Michiganders for booting them into mid-air.

Shawna, at 6:30 am EST on November 9, 2006

“This issue all comes down to how you view equality. Some individuals believe that the only way to achieve equality is to have everyone start with the same advantages. Others believe that equality only requires everyone be under the same rules. How one views the outcome of the Michigan decision is greatly defined by ones opinion on the definition of equality.”

This is the most intelligent comment I’ve read on this topic.

Thanks, too, to Ken for answer Sam as I would have liked to. The shame of all this is that Sam actually believes that the two students in his scenario are “tied.” Sometimes, I really get discouraged when I see how unfair people are. . .

Lynn, at 6:35 am EST on November 9, 2006

2nd reply to Kelly

According to the national Department of Education, 133 women will graduate from college for every 100 men this year. By the decade’s end, projections show that there will be 142 female graduates for every 100 male graduates.

Kelly, for the good of all of us minorities (non-white non-females) please drop out of college and do your part to stop the white female oppression of everyone else.

Thanks!

Mike H, at 6:35 am EST on November 9, 2006

A long overdue step !

I’ve read with interest some of the comments on this site. Most present some very lucid arguements on both sides of the issue. However, let’s get down to the ‘basics’ here. Many of those who opposed this voter initiative say that Affirmative Action is to correct historic ‘wrongs’...and perhaps this is a legitimate viewpoint....But my question is...for how long ? “Affirmative Action’ has been in effect in the United States in one form or another since 1965, over 40 years. When will this ‘historic injustice’ be considered ‘rectified’ ? 50 years ? 100 years ? 1000 years ? Affirmative action cannot be an open-ended endeavor, because the ‘historic injustice’ was not open-ended to begin with. So, the logical conclusion is that this Affirmative Action experiment in ’social justice’ must at some point reach it’s finale. And, it just so happens that the citizens of the state of Michigan had determined that the time is now....and bravo for them !

Karl, SUNY, at 6:40 am EST on November 9, 2006

Affirmative Action

“Michigan as Klan country?” You must be joking — it is the Upper Midwest (not Indiana), a “blue” state, home of the UAW, two liberal Democratic Senators, etc. etc.

As a Michigan native I am ecstatic that we finally got rid of affirmative action. Now U of M alumni have to make sure it is not brought in the back door through changes to the weighting of various application criteria.

Univ of Wash PhD Student, at 6:40 am EST on November 9, 2006

The issue regarding Affirmative Action is that it defeats the purpose for which it is created. University admissions should be a merit-based system.

I graduated from high school 4 years ago, where only 2 black students were in the top 10% of graduating class of 500. The two black students got in very good colleges, more than they deserved. My high school was 30% black, throughout high school, they were the people starting the fights, taunting students who strive to learn. This is a similar pattern seen in all New York City schools.

There is a serious problem in the values of African American/Latino communities that needs to be addressed, and the push should be toward the education and preparation for college, and not increasing URM enrollment at top 25 schools, where most URMs are not qualified/prepared to do the work.

Mary Sue Coleman is smart, I highly doubt that she truly supports affirmative action, but there is really no other position that she can take.

Joshua, The University of Michigan, at 12:10 pm EST on November 10, 2006

Joshua falls into a trap that has hand-cuffed academia for decades: he defines “merit” as test-scores and class-rank. Undoubtedly, students worked hard for high grades, lofty class-ranks, and test-scores approaching perfect. The question is “what do these things have to do with meriting a seat in a classroom to be taught by one of the best"? The academy has defined merit along these lines, and while they may be one logical definition of merit, they are not by any means the only let alone the best definition. Other definitions that could be used are: purpose for which said education is desired; desire to learn (achievement is not the only analog that could be used here to measure desire); or previous family access to this education (perhaps you eliminate legacies because their families have already had access to a particular school). These are just a few examples of how one might otherwise define merit. When one is arguing about “fairness” and what one “deserves” one needs to be a bit more open-minded. One person’s definition of merit is another’s definition of road-block. The current definition of merit is far more a definition of the lottery of life (born into a family from a “good” zip code) than it is a measure of what anyone has achieved, or merited. To claim anything else is to deny what the research has shown. The number one predictor of academic success in higher education is your zip code, and that prediction is the earliest one we have as it holds true from the birth of the candidates.

Michael, at 4:50 pm EST on November 10, 2006

Michael,

So, let me see if I understand your argument: people will be rejected from position in the student body or faculty because of who they are rather than any describable measure.

Luckily, I know lots of people who are quite good at convincing people that although their objective measures are quite low, they have all the indescribable criteria you mention.

Academe has never been “handcuffed” by the use of numerical factors. Students with lower grades are admitted based on “legacies” or “motivation” all the time.

Larry, at 7:30 am EST on November 11, 2006

Tim Wise Piece: Affirmative Action for Whites

May 24, 2003

The Mother of All Racial Preferences:

Reflections on Affirmative Action for White Folks

By Tim Wise

A slightly different version of this essay appeared as a ZNet Commentary, 5/24/03

Ask a fish what water is and you’ll get no answer, and not only because fish can’t speak. Even if they were capable of vocalizing a reply, they wouldn’t have one for such a question. When water surrounds you every minute of the day, explaining what it is becomes impossible. It simply is. It’s taken for granted.

So too with this thing we hear so much about called “racial preference.” While many whites apparently are convinced that the notion originated with affirmative action programs, intended to expand opportunities for historically marginalized people of color, racial preference has actually had a long and very white history.

Affirmative action for whites was embodied in the abolition of European indentured servitude, which left black (and occasionally indigenous) slaves as the only unfree labor in the colonies that would become the U.S. Affirmative action for whites was the essence of the 1790 Naturalization Act, which allowed any European immigrant to become a full citizen, even while blacks, Asians, and American Indians could not. Affirmative action for whites was the guiding principle of segregation, Asian exclusion, and the theft of half of Mexico for the fulfillment of Manifest Destiny.

In recent history, affirmative action for whites motivated racially-restrictive housing policies that helped 15 million white families procure homes with FHA loans from the 1930s to the ’60s, while people of color were mostly excluded from the same programs. In other words, on balance, white America is the biggest collective recipient of racial preference in history. Such preference has skewed our laws, shaped our public policy and helped create the glaring inequalities with which we still live.

White racial preference explains why white families, on average, have a net worth eleven times that of black families: a gap that remains substantial even when only comparing families of like size, composition, education and income status; and it also helps explain, at least in part, why a full-time black male worker in 2003 made less in real dollar terms than similar white men were earning in 1967. Such realities do not merely indicate the disadvantages faced by blacks, but indeed are evidence of the preferences afforded whites: the necessary flipside of discrimination.

Indeed, the value of preferences to whites over the years is so enormous that the current baby-boomer generation of whites is currently in the process of inheriting between $7-10 trillion in assets from their parents and grandparents: property handed down by those who were able to accumulate assets at a time when people of color couldn’t. To place this in perspective, we should note that this amount of money is more than all the outstanding mortgage debt, all the credit card debt, all the savings account assets, all the money in IRA’s and 401k retirement plans, all the annual profits for U.S. manufacturers, and our entire merchandise trade deficit combined.

Yet few whites think of our position as resulting from racial preference. Indeed, we pride ourselves on our hard work and ambition, as if we invented the concepts; as if we have worked harder than the folks who were forced to pick cotton and build levees for free; harder than the Latino immigrants who spend ten hours a day in fields picking strawberries or tomatoes; harder than the (mostly) women of color who clean up messy hotel rooms, or change bedpans in hospitals, or the (mostly) men of color who collect our garbage: a crucial service without which we would face not only unpleasant smells but the spread of disease.

We strike the pose of self-sufficiency while ignoring the advantages we have been afforded in every realm of activity: housing, education, employment, criminal justice, politics and business. We ignore that at every turn, our hard work has been met with access to an opportunity structure to which millions of others have been denied similar access. Privilege, to us, is like water to the fish: invisible precisely because we cannot imagine life without it.

It is that context that best explains the duplicity of the President’s critique of affirmative action at the University of Michigan, during the recent court battle over so-called “racial preferences” at that institution. President Bush, himself a lifelong recipient of affirmative action — the kind set-aside for the rich and mediocre — proclaimed that the school’s policies were unfair. Yet in doing so he not only showed a profound ignorance of the Michigan policy, but also made clear the inability of yet another white person to grasp the magnitude of white privilege still in operation; an inability sadly ratified by the Supreme Court when it ruled in favor of the plaintiffs in the Michigan case, in June 2003.

To wit, the President, and ultimately the Supreme Court, attacked Michigan’s policy of awarding twenty points (on a 150-point evaluation scale) to undergraduate applicants who were members of underrepresented minorities, which at U of M means blacks, Latinos and American Indians. To many whites such a “preference” was blatantly discriminatory. Yet what Bush and the Court failed to mention were the greater numbers of points awarded for other things, and which had the clear effect of preferencing whites to the exclusion of people of color.

For example, Michigan awarded twenty points to any student from a low-income background, regardless of race. Since those points could not be combined with those for minority status (in other words poor blacks don’t get forty points), in effect this was a preference for poor whites. Then Michigan awarded sixteen points to students from the Upper Peninsula of the state: a rural and almost completely white area.

Of course both preferences were fair, based as they were on the recognition that economic status and geography (as with race) can have a profound effect on the quality of schooling that one receives, and that no one should be punished for such things that are beyond their control. But note that such preferences, though disproportionately awarded to whites, remained uncriticized throughout the litigation on this case, while preferences for people of color become the target for reactionary anger. Once again, white preference remained hidden because it wasn’t called white preference, even if that was the effect.

But that’s not all. Ten points were awarded under the Michigan plan to students who attended top high schools, and another eight points were given to students who took an especially demanding AP and Honors curriculum. As with points for those from the Upper Peninsula, these preferences may have been race-neutral in theory, but in practice they were anything but. Because of intense racial isolation (and Michigan’s schools are the most segregated in America for blacks according to research by the Harvard Civil Rights Project), students of color will rarely attend the “best” schools, and on average, schools serving mostly black and Latino students offer only a third as many AP and honors courses as schools serving mostly whites. So even truly talented students of color would have been unable to access those extra points simply because of where they live, their economic status, and ultimately their race, which is intertwined with both.

Then up to twelve points were awarded for a student’s SAT score, which is itself directly correlated with a student’s socioeconomic status, which in turn is highly correlated with race in a way that favors whites and disadvantages most students of color.

Four more points were awarded to students with a parent who attended the U of M: a kind of affirmative action with which the President is intimately familiar, and which almost exclusively goes to whites.

In other words, Michigan was offering twenty “extra” points to the typical black, Latino or indigenous applicant, while offering various combinations worth up to 70 extra points for students who would almost all be white. But while the first of these were seen as examples of racial preferences, the second were not, hidden as they were behind the structure of social inequities that limit where people live, where they go to school, and the kinds of opportunities they have been afforded. White preferences, by being the result of the normal workings of a racist society, can remain out of sight and out of mind, while the power of the state is turned against the paltry preferences meant to offset them.

To recognize just how blind so many white Americans are to the workings of white privilege, one need only consider the oft-heard comment by whites that “if I had only been black I would have gotten into my first-choice college.” Such a statement not only ignores the fact that whites are more likely than members of any group, even with affirmative action, to get into their first-choice school, but it also presumes, as anti-racist activist Paul Marcus explains, “that if these whites were black, everything else about their life would have remained the same: that it would have made no negative difference as to where they went to school, what their family income was, or anything else.”

But this ability to believe that being black would have made no difference (other than a beneficial one when it came time for college), and that being white has made no positive difference, is rooted in privilege itself: the privilege of not having one’s intelligence questioned by books like The Bell Curve, or one’s culture attacked as dysfunctional by politicians and so-called scholars; the privilege of not having to worry about being viewed as “out of place” when driving, shopping, buying a home, or attending the University of Michigan; the privilege of not being denied an interview for a job because your name sounds “too black,” as a recent study discovered happens often to African American job-seekers.

So long as those privileges remain firmly in place and the preferential treatment that flows from those privileges continues to work to the benefit of whites, all talk of ending affirmative action is not only premature but a slap in the face to those who have fought and died for equal opportunity.

Nikki, Maybe you will listen to a white guy at UCLA where there is NO diversity, at 4:05 pm EST on November 11, 2006

Nikki, that article obviously is aimed at letting people know how, historically, whites have had the advantage. The writer’s goal is to no doubt help people realize that these advantages were unfair. So here’s the basic question: Why would a society want to perpetuate such unfairness by doing the same thing in reverse (i.e., giving women and minorities preferences)? It’s cliche to say but true: Two wrongs don’t make a right.

I’m a woman who came from a poor family in a rural area. My school did not have any bells and whistles (certainly no computers), and yet, I graduated at the top of my class. Do you know why? Discipline—from the teachers and my parents. They taught all of us that hard work would help us to achieve what we wanted. When we screwed up, we were called on it, not coddled. Today, liberal teachers and irresponsible parents who play the blame-game because their precious son or daughter can do no wrong, make excuses for why someone can’t achieve. Unfortunately, excuses enable people rather than challenging them to succeed. It’s easier to blame someone ("the man") or something (past injustices) for our failure to succeed than it is to blame ourselves. But if we don’t acknowledge our personal weaknesses, how will we ever improve them? Even though as a female I would benefit from affirmative action, I know it is an inherently unfair practice. Minorities and women: Stop blaming the system. Just do the work, and most likely, you’ll succeed.

Lynn, at 9:50 pm EST on November 11, 2006

Ban not Bigotry

Couple points: As noted, it doesn’t make much sense to call a ban on state discrimation “bigoted".

Secondly, minority enrollment in the UC system did not “plunge” after Prop 209 was passed. In fact, minority enrollment overall increased, while white enrollment decreased. (This is partly because asians, who also suffered historical discrimination, were now being judged fairly against their white counterparts.)

Even latino/african-american enrollment has remained fairly constant in the UC system. The only difference is that they are now (to a greater degree) attending those UC schools where their admissions numbers make them competitive. One can also argue this provides them with a better educational experience than if they were somewhere where everyone else had higher admissions standards.

Finally, the problem with race-based AA, as also noted, is that it does not focus on those people who are disadvantaged, but rather makes blanket assumptions that all latinos/blacks need help, while no whites do. The truth is that we can help those minorities who are in fact disadvantaged without use to blanket ethnic preferences. We can do so by programs that focus on educational and economic opportunity. In that way, we won’t unfairly reward privileged minorities (1/3 of all african-american households earn more than the average white household) or unfairly punish underprivileged whites. (1/3 of all white households earn less than the average african-american household.) We also won’t perpetuate divisiveness and negative stereotypes the way that current AA does.

John, at 1:20 pm EST on November 12, 2006

Enforcement

Blah Blah Blah

I agree with an earlier poster-What part of “NO” does the academic elite fail to understand?

Be forewarned, the game is now set for a class action suit for damages arising from AA that will deplete an institution’s endowment or the public treasury. In which case state lawmakers will develop an intense dislike of the offending institution and its officials. Who knows, some of those officials might end up spending a little jail time for contempt of court.

Yes, I know, this sounds like a threat. But it is not coming from me, it is coming from the Michigan voters.

Bruce Harvey, at 4:31 am EST on November 14, 2006

I cannot believe that the clip of Tim Wise’s discussion about race and white privilege is not heard by rational people. And as for the “two wrongs don’t make a right” argument, give me a break. You cannot “fix” racial discrimiation on the backs of those historically discriminated against-it can only occur by those who have received the advantages. The cycle has to be broken-leveling the unlevel playing field, which took hundreds of years to create, will take many years to undo. It will take reasonable people to understand the long-term effects of the racial problems of this country which Tim Wise describes in a very rational way. But I understand that racism and racial fear is irrational and after reading these posts from so-called educated people, I fear will never end.

andy, at 8:36 am EST on November 14, 2006

I feel that the public was misled on this issue. It really does make me very angry to see this happen. White men in this country have every advantage! Even with affirmative action in Michigan men still made more money then women did for the same jobs. Women make 67 cents on the dollar to men! That was with affirmative action, with a law that required schools and businesses to enroll and hire women and minorities! I can be just as educated as man, have worked just as hard and still only expect to make 67 percent of what he makes? Now with the ban on affirmative action how will this drop? The same thing goes with race. White men get more opportunities in this government then any other gender or race! That is why affirmative action was created, to make things a little bit more equal. In a perfect world where our Constitution (that is based on equality and justice for all) could be upheld Affirmative Action would not be needed. Unfortunately we are not in a perfect world, we see injustices in this society everyday, and without affirmative action we are going to see more. It is very discouraging to know how hard I work and how many hours I put in I will still be less superior then a white man.

Then of course the race issue, in Michigan it is a big deal. Minorities in this state live in such poor areas that there children get under funded education. I am not saying all minorities, but statistically, most do live in poor areas. I have talked to Detroit teachers who will tell you that they are scared to go teach and that their schools cannot keep teachers because of how dangerous they feel it is. The result being teachers who are not qualified are teaching. Meaning those children going to those schools will get a poorer education, meaning they wont get the ACT or SAT scores needed to enter college. Again, an injustice we need to account for somewhere. If only we could all be white and male!

I truly get the some of the opposition to Affirmative Action, but it just needed a little tweaking, to totally ban in, especially in the views of eliminating discrimination, was not the answer. I can only hope that when this is brought in front of the Supreme Court, because it will be, that the Supreme Court realizes that Michigan needs this in light of Justice.

Rachael, Very Upset, at 11:25 am EST on November 16, 2006

It is interesting that we can still vote behind closed curtains to pass laws which have the affect to limit access based on race (Remember Jim Crow laws), yet we all know, especially in higher education, that preferences which have an adverse affect on the admissions of racial/ethnic minority groups are prevalent in admissions. Further, we all know (if we as a society are honest) that race still does matter in hiring, promotion, contracting, where we go to church, etc. I always remain hopeful that Dr. ML King’s dream of equality will be realized in the US but that is still just a dream when you see efforts like this to hamper the progress of a group of people because of who they are.

Many forget that the purpose of affirmative action is to right a wrong and the number of those benefiting is all so small! These very laws are perhaps discriminatory in and of themselves in that they only attack racial preferences and leave all other preferences alone.

Hope, at 10:05 am EST on November 17, 2006

The flag which you are born under is your nationality like it or not.Why whine about the past?, “"!,you move or you fail and only you control your fate. You make things happen you have to have the desire and it is not only in America it works world wide.Try living in other countries , I have, try it sometime and report back in time.Thank you

John Dunne, at 5:50 pm EST on February 20, 2007

Affirmative Action’s Shifting Demographics

Advocates who cite slavery and Jim Crow laws as the justification for affirmative action programs are ignoring demographic changes that are making a mockery of affirmative action. Hispanic Americans have surpassed African Americans as the nation’s largest minority. Hispanics are becoming the majority in California, Texas, and most of the Southwest. In my hometown, a border city of about 750,000 residents, 80 percent of the population is Hispanics. Intermarriage between Anglos and Hispanics is common, yet the offspring of these unions (think Camneron Diaz) are also eligible for affirmative action. Once the city’s African American, Native American, Asian and non-Hispanic white females are counted, about 95 percent of the city’s population is eligible for affrimative action programs. As you might imagine, this make affirmative action extremely popular.

Blair, at 1:46 pm EDT on March 18, 2007

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