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November 22, 2006

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A week ago, it looked like David Horowitz had a few things to be thankful for in the emerging report of the Pennsylvania legislative panel that was looking for examples of violations of students' rights because of their political views.

Sure, the committee had reported that it didn't really find examples of the alleged oppression that he maintains is widespread. But Horowitz pointed to the committee's recommendation that colleges adopt policies to protect student rights. And he liked the many pages included in the draft report that summarized testimony by Horowitz and some of his allies. Those are all gone in the final version of the report the committee approved Tuesday, which is being hailed by academic groups as completely vindicating their views.

Horowitz said that he was furious about the "breathtaking audacity of this theft of the report by the Democrats and the unions," and that a "cabal" of faculty leaders had convinced "weak-spined Republicans" (who controlled the committee) to go along with the "theft." He maintained, however, that despite the "travesty and the cover-up," he was in fact pleased with what he accomplished in Pennsylvania.

In the end, though, the panel on Tuesday stripped away what he had been citing as points of victory. The final report kept the language saying that it couldn't find evidence of problems with students' rights. On whether colleges need new policies, the report's language changed, noting that some colleges have such policies and need only review them. On student evaluations of faculty members, the report shifted from urging colleges to change them to urging colleges to look at them and make their own decisions.

Two other things struck academic observers as significant: By removing all the pages summarizing testimony (a summary that many college officials believed was one-sided in favor of Horowitz), the committee removed a permanent record that seemed unfavorable and many thought unfair to academe. And because the final vote on the report was unanimous -- on a committee controlled by Republicans -- the committee made it more difficult for Horowitz to blame his problems on liberals.

Under the heading "Victory in Pennsylvania," the blog Free Exchange on Campus -- which is produced by a coalition of groups opposed to Horowitz's "Academic Bill of Rights" -- declared Tuesday that the committee had backed what faculty members have been saying all along. "Institutions should continue to do what they are doing," the blog urged.

Horowitz's movement originally was pushing for states to adopt his "Bill of Rights," which calls for balance in classroom instruction and for students not to be punished for their views. While those sound like innocuous goals, many professors view them as potentially forcing them to give up control over their classrooms, and to have to welcome creationism or Holocaust denial as being on equal footing with real biology and history. And while professors have not generally disputed Horowitz's complaints that a majority of faculty lean left, academic groups have said he has failed consistently to show that this lopsidedness is having any meaningful impact on students.

In getting the Pennsylvania House of Representative to create a panel to study these issues, Horowitz won his major legislative victory last year, so the report's outcome has been highly anticipated. Last week, he said he viewed Pennsylvania as a model for what he hoped to accomplish elsewhere and that he would be working to create similar panels in other states next year. On Tuesday, he said that despite his disappointment in the panel's vote, he still viewed it as a model -- as long as he can find states where faculty unions can't sway legislators.

Craig Smith, a spokesman for the AFT and Free Exchange on Campus, said that if Pennsylvania is a model, he's not worried at all. "He counted his chickens before they were hatched," thinking the committee would back his claims, but in the end the panel rejected Horowitz's ideas, Smith said. "And that's going to happen in any state where people look at what's really going on in higher education."

Asked how he could claim victory when the legislative panel had worked so hard to identify student victims, and failed, Horowitz offered more stories of students who were being hurt. He said that he had spoken to a dance student who was upset about her paper's grade and that he had encouraged her to file a grievance. She didn't want to. Horowitz acknowledged that there was no political issue in the paper, but said her reluctance to go through the grievance machinery showed the problems that students face.

Then Horowitz said that he had heard that a political science professor at Bloomsburg University of Pennsylvania, Diana Zoelle, had given a test in which students were forced to explain why the war in Iraq is wrong, with the implication that their grade would be lower if they did not back that position. Horowitz acknowledged that he had not checked out the report, although Zoelle reported that she has been hearing from others that Horowitz has been speaking about the alleged exam.

Reached while en route to her Thanksgiving vacation, Zoelle said that Horowitz was "absolutely incorrect." She said that Horowitz and his staff never called to ask her about the exam, although she asked around when she heard that he was telling people about some complaint about her. She said that she has never used a test question about the Iraq war. She said that the closest thing she can think of is a question a few years ago in which she asked students to analyze an essay in which a scholar suggested that the United States has a double standard on human rights. Students needed to summarize and comment on the scholar's argument. Zoelle said that students had to explain what this scholar was saying -- before they either endorsed or criticized it. She noted that this is a common pedagogical tool. "You have to explain what the argument is before you discuss it."

Zoelle said that students were not graded based on their view of the argument, only their ability to explain and comment on it. She said she would gladly have explained this to Horowitz had he ever called.

"I think this is just a desperate attempt on his part to try to make a point," she said. "It's really childish."

Horowitz, asked why he couldn't document more of the cases of students being hurt -- the basis of his movement -- said: "Why do I have to run around the country finding these kids?"

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Comments on From Bad to Worse for David Horowitz

  • Most amusing?
  • Posted by L.L. on November 22, 2006 at 5:45am EST
  • What is perhaps most amusing about U.S. academia is that 17 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, U.S. academia appears to contain the highest percentage of apologists for the failed politics of Karl Marx, anywhere in the world.

    http://www.michaelnovak.net/Module/Article/ArticleView.aspx?id=105

    Most of the Marxists that I meet represent arms merchants with Swiss bank accounts. How enlightening.

    But, then, professors who lecture in 300-seat auditoriums and give multiple-choice exams are at the zenith of the knowledge-sharing process, correct?

    Happy Thanksgiving, Larry, et al.

  • Another ho-him day.
  • Posted by Diogenes on November 22, 2006 at 7:15am EST
  • And a happy right wing stereotype to you too, Larry, or Chuck, or whatever name Netvocates has you folks posting under now. Horowitz is getting precisely what he deserves.

  • Someone Get Him a Binkie
  • Posted by Andrew Purvis on November 22, 2006 at 7:15am EST
  • Horowitz didn't get what he wanted. His solution? Throw a tantrum and blame Democrats and unions. Blame Republicans who caved. He will, of course, be glad to reiterate his position that this is not about left and right, that which way influence pulls in a classroom is irrelevant since it's all bad. Somehow it just doesn't ring true. Then again, it never did.

  • Happy Thanksgiving
  • Posted by Larry on November 22, 2006 at 7:15am EST
  • LL, As you might have guessed, this report exemplifies why I don’t like legislators, popular votes, and politics. Government is best run by experts (like you and me), and most of these people did not even have the degrees required to be academics. Many – in fact all – of them are beholden to constituents, and the founding fathers (of the US and PA) never intended legislatures to make such decisions. For this reason, I urged everyone I know to boycott elections. Popular votes have done nothing but harm to the US.

    I am curious as to what Marx has to do with this. I didn’t see him mentioned anywhere. Likewise, I don’t really know what Marx’ politics exactly was, though he seems more famous for the ways that other people took his ideas and used them to justify all sorts of things. But, I am sure that a rigorous academic like you has those answers. Same with Harpo.

    I doubt that you meet many arms merchants, and I doubt that they tell you about their finances. Unless, maybe, they are Swiss. Or Nigerian Email scammers. I meet lots of those.

    As to whether something “fails,” I think it is quite dangerous (in an intellectual way) to say that a given set of ideas fails, even if you conflate its implementation with the idea itself. Unless we can all agree on a definition of “success” (which probably requires a set time), then the conversation goes nowhere. For example, communism “succeeded” for a few years. American-style Democracy “failed” in the first 20 years, because it required a new constitution and has yet to build a single city on the moon! Likewise, where is no guarantee that the USA will exist in 300 years. This seems like a string of unbroken failures to me. It makes me embarrassed to live in the US. (I don’t know how many cities on the moon absolute monarchies have built, but I am sure the number is high.)

    Regarding multiple choice tests, they are good and bad. They are not my preference, but they are definitely easier to grade. Unfortunately, many are poorly designed, and the methods of scoring are defective. But, standardized testing works in many fields.

  • Left and Right vs Merits
  • Posted by William Sumner Scott, J.D. on November 22, 2006 at 8:05am EST
  • The issues are confused by partisan politics and job protection bias. Until an impartial presenter is heard before an impartial tribunal - the claims of all of parties involved are smoke.

    The positioning of this article out of the top three and number of comments thus far demonstrates the differences of opinion on the importance of the efforts of both sides.

    The Department of Education Advisory Committee hearings from December 4 to 6 on accreditation could clear the air.

    William Sumner Scott, J.D.

    wss@jefound.org

  • Democratization of Knowledge
  • Posted by Jerry Pattengale , AVP for Scholarship and Grants at Indiana Wesleyan University on November 22, 2006 at 8:10am EST
  • Dear Scott,

    Once again, thanks for your summary of another important story. It's difficult to discuss such matters when emotional responses often overtake reasonable ones. These Inside articles remind me a bit of Abelard’s "Sic et non" -- giving enough of both sides for readers to chew, and then with exchange, begin to digest. In order to try to have a balanced response to an earlier article you posted, I purchased Horowitz' tome, 101 Worst Pro"F"fessors. I'd be curious to know how many others did the same (or borrowed a copy), to afford them the same scrutiny that we're finding fault with his research--e.g., not having consulted Zoelle and others. Yes, he evidently made mistakes in such cases. The methodology of his Professors book is not at all farfetched, in fact, it even lists the person researching each section and established the criteria for inclusions. Does this mean I agree with all of his findings--no. The professor at Earlham College, for example, cannot be one of the worst (or "best") professors if she hasn't published--according to his own methodology. In the case at-hand, the PA case, I can only speak anecdotally, though I actually have a sizeable "n" had I surveyed all of my conference sessions over the years. As a conservative Christian I studied at Miami University (OH), selecting it over a college in England--and with no regrets. Although there was a pronounced left leaning in my department, I was always treated with the utmost respect, and even invited back to speak. You might recall that this campus has had its share of fights over gender issues, etc., and I was there when some of this occurred--but the administration was never guilty of infringing upon my rights as a professor (fellow) or as a student. And, after many dozens of campus visits and conferences elsewehere I've rarely had any incident when I present research on "purpose-guided education," besides the once case of being cursed out by an attendee five minutes into the session. As I read about Horowitz, I try to separate personality from principles. It appears that he has a swagger that irritates many, and that's unfortunate for the entire dialogue. I don't know him, but if that's true, a well-read person like himself should know the pitfalls of hubris. I have written elsewhere that the amazing thing about Horowitz is that he has managed to raise questions nationally through his own ambitious, self-imposed agenda. Proactive or reactive? Not sure. Productive, seems to be. But I don't immediately dismiss what people like Horowitz say, though his over abundance of superlatives is always difficult to stomach. The same is true of Moore (who seems to have serious research credibility issues as well) and more popular writers like Dan Brown (seriously in error on many research matters). One thing I'd be a bit concerned about, however, is that if the academy is largely left-leaning, why would professors be encouraged that their views have not had a "meaningful" influence on their students? Through normal critical thinking lessons, like Zoelle aptly calls for, it appears that this would occur. I'd recommend that readers also review the previous article linked above (emerging). The comments from Michael Berube seem appropriate, and tactful. There is a Puritan maxim -- "In all things essential, unity; in all things non-essential, liberty; but in all things love." Also, it’s difficult to read about student opinions on such matters without reflecting on the excellent article by Brock Read on Wikipedia (Chronicle, Oct. 27). There is a democratization of knowledge taking place. Here, in the comment section, we are reflecting. There, in the Wikireality, they are creating knowledge by consensus, but with little authority or expertise. That seems to be a much more pressing issue, and one relative to this case. If 30,000 "contributors," nearly all non-professors, are constantly weighing in on such matters, it certainly seems like an easy reference to whether our liberal education isn't simply liberal or conservative, but whether it's producing capable articulate thinkers.

  • Diogenes and political thought
  • Posted by Larry on November 22, 2006 at 8:10am EST
  • Diogenes, What are you talking about. If anyone thinks Horowitz is misguided it is me. And, for what it is worth, I usually oppose Chuck.

    However, unlike others, I see Horowitz’s failures as not being political, but rather begin with a failure to actually attempt to define what each subject is, and identify its core assumptions, so that we might begin to isolate political thought.

  • Posted by Larry on November 22, 2006 at 8:25am EST
  • Mr. Scott, Do you really think that hearings on accreditation will “clear the air.” Did any such hearings ever clear the air?

    Ms. Pattengale, I think everyone on this board read his book. Although I spotted some silly mistakes, I was disturbed by the fact that he made little attempt to separate out philosophical assumptions from political bias.

    “Critical thinking lessons.” I wonder what those mean. In my experience, people seem to always use “critical thinking” as a proxy for “agreement.” For instance, if I disagree with someone, I say that they need “critical thinking lessons.” This is a great way to avoid the merits of an argument, and while it isn’t proper legal argument, it does provide a means to declare oneself to be right.

    (Strangely, most law firms consider the use of the term to support a position to be malpractice, because lawyers tend to at least try and define their terms and argue in the context of substantive law.)

  • David Horowitz and the politics of education
  • Posted by feudi pandola on November 22, 2006 at 8:50am EST
  • As a Pennsylvanian, why am I not surprised by this report? Horowitz is annoying, but the education unions in my state are even more so. The report did state that there is a significant left wing bias among faculty. Hard to imagine that this prediliction has no effect whatsoever on the educational process...

    Isn't it just human nature to favor those who agree with your position?

  • Horoworst
  • Posted by M Cecil Smith , Professor at Northern Illinois University on November 22, 2006 at 10:15am EST
  • A student doesn't like the grade on her paper, but doesn't want to file a grievance...This is the best Horowitz can do? What a sad clown. It would be interesting to know the total in tax dollars that were wasted in Pennsylvania by the legislators who initially took up this character's misguided cause.

  • Chuck's Errors and Failings
  • Posted by Chuck on November 22, 2006 at 11:45am EST
  • Like many others, I am often chagrined and annoyed at the way "Chuck" hammers away at his pet peeves.

    Why does "Chuck" constantly attack guilt-ridden P.C. hacks who support and excuse racial, gender, or ethnic double standards?

    How dare him claim that the development of general cognitive abilities such as classifying and categorizing ideas, distinguishing cause from effect and offering counter-arguments to assertions are all that important.

    "Chuck" demonstrates he's a stodgy retard by his insistence that extensive reading and writing are the keys to nurturing these abilities which, in turn, underlie virtually any complex task in fields as widely divergent as business and the creative arts, political leadership, scholarship or legal judgments (hello Larry).

    Finally, I am sick and tired of "Chuck" claiming that a strong academic work ethic, the ability to perform under pressure, and a sense of initiative and responsibility should count far more than "diversity" in the university.

    I join with many others in wishing "Chuck" and his critics a happy, stress-free, sweet, and productive Thanksgiving.

  • Horowitz and Bloomsburg University
  • Posted by Jim on November 22, 2006 at 12:20pm EST
  • According to Horowitz, Scott Jaschik, the author of this article, spoke only with
    Professor Diane Zoelle, the one who allegedly was indoctrinating her class. He spoke with no one else. He certainly didn't cite anyone else involved in his article.

    Scott, why didn't you speak with the students Horowitz mentions in his article?
    Jason Boyer and Jason Walters, the two students, could have given you the students' perspective on the situation.

    Scott, your bias and agenda come through loud and clear.

  • Posted by Philip Nord , Professor of History at Princeton on November 22, 2006 at 1:01pm EST
  • I certainly disagree with David Horowitz on much of this, but he is not entirely wrong. He overstates his case, and he is personally excessive, but that's no excuse for Scott doing such a poor job (again!) with a story of some importance.

  • Let's give thanks for Larry
  • Posted by L.L. on November 22, 2006 at 2:50pm EST
  • " .. this report exemplifies why I don’t like legislators .."

    What can I say, Lar? If Mr. Berube and his kind are so wonderful and grand, why do they slave away in taxpayer-funded academia? Why doesn't he and his like-suffering pals quit and maximize their earning capacity in the content-rich Google-sphere?

    (Answer: they know they are having their lifestyles subsidized by the great unwashed masses -- and laughing all the way to the bank.)

    " .. I am curious as to what Marx has to do with this .."

    Mr. Horowitz appears to be most-upset that the majority of soft-side academe is focused on why non-Marxists are such selfish, rotten swine. Also, that the world would be better, if Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Ho, Fidel, Kim Jung Il, et al., would have won. How fortunate, they provide students and "The Daily Show" with so much comedy material.

    " .. I doubt that you meet many arms merchants .."

    Mostly Chinese (former PLA -- People's Liberation Army).

    http://www.jstor.org/view/03057410/ap020123/02a00090/0

    A few former KGB (a.k.a., "Russian Mafia").

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Mafia

    Ain't Marx (and Marxism) grand? So much better than the USA .. NOT!

    Have a drum-stick on me, Lar.

  • spendpublican wastes PA tax dollars
  • Posted by KJL on November 22, 2006 at 7:10pm EST
  • Horowitz wasted a lot of money and energey. The foolish people in the PA legislature took his false allegations seriously. Universities and politicians should define their missions and defend them rather than faslling for facile claims about non-problems like those raised by Horowitz.

  • Yet one more 'biased' study
  • Posted by B.D. on November 23, 2006 at 8:45am EST
  • As to those horrible claims that U.S. academia is beholden to one of the two major political parties --

    http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NGEyZTRhNTNmMGNjNTdkYmRiNWQwMTc2MWI3NzgyM2M=

    As Jon Stewart might emote -- "Darn you, mathematics!"

  • What has the GOP done to earn academe's respect?
  • Posted by Eveningsun at Small Public College on November 23, 2006 at 11:50am EST
  • Let's see. Republicans suck up to creationists, and lose the biologists and the geologists. They reject the scientific consensus on global warming, and lose the atmospheric scientists, the climatologists, and the oceanographers. They advocate torture and lose the ethical philosophers, the political philosophers, and the theologians. They compare their Iraqi puppets to America's Founding Fathers (and themselves to (Churchill and Roosevelt), and lose the historians. Etc. How very odd that so many academics are Democrats! Quick! We must do something about the bias in academe! God forbid the GOP should consider returning to reality.... God forbid the GOP should consider EARNING the academic respect they now so rightly lack.

  • Posted by hard grader on November 23, 2006 at 9:45pm EST
  • Jim, the claim was that "Zoelle, had given a test in which students were forced to explain why the war in Iraq is wrong, with the implication that their grade would be lower if they did not back that position."

    So it's not a dispute in which there are different sides to the story -- the exam question said what DH claims or it didn't. Students have a right to get their exams back, so if Zoelle is not telling the truth it would be very easy to demonstrate that with copies of the actual exam.

    You got your hearings, your publicly-funded search for evidence, in a state full of higher ed, and came up with bupkis. At some point, you all need to start being a little more ashamed at the poor quality of evidence produced by DH and his allies, and his amply-documented tendency to, shall we say, exaggerate. There's a certain inconsistency in claiming to uphold standards at the same time that you flout them.

  • Posted by Hard Grader on November 23, 2006 at 9:45pm EST
  • ... and I'm most curious, BD, to know who or what you think you're refuting in your jocular reference to "those horrible claims." Far as I can see nobody claims that the party affiliations of academics, any more than the party affiliations of career military officers or doctors or business executives, match those of the public at large. I see no reason to believe that I'm being served poorly by the U.S. armed forces because of their disproportionate Republican voting, or that my postman, who is likely to be a Democrat, delivers my mail in biased fashion.

    What you all have been unable to demonstrate is that the political difference between the average academic and the average nonacademic has led to teaching malfeasance. Even DH's dangerous-prof book, where he could cherry-pick the worst cases, focuses overwhelmingly on people's activities outside the classroom.

  • Blind but for the labels
  • Posted by Andrew Purvis on November 23, 2006 at 9:45pm EST
  • The problem with B.D. (and many who would follow his line of so-called argumentation) is that the label becomes more important than the person behind it.

    Is it possible that the candidates being backed in these instances are, first and foremost, candidates who back funding and initiatives the schools want? Is this any different from the way Detroit and Big Oil almost complete avoid candidates who favor increased fuel economies and non-petroleum enegery sources?

    People back—and this backing can be with money, time, or votes—those candidates who will, in theory, provide the most help once elected. That Republicans have made a mockery of much education is no secret, so they aren't exactly offering up too many options around the country.

  • A Note Toward Definitions
  • Posted by Andrew Purvis on November 23, 2006 at 9:45pm EST
  • I favor interaction with non-Martians, but does this make me an anti-Martian?

    Disliking people who happen not to be Marxists (there are relatively few Marxists to dislike by comparison) does not make one a supporter of Marxism.

  • Thank you for supporting privatization
  • Posted by B.D. on November 24, 2006 at 7:45pm EST
  • My, my. All this bleating about, "just because we're all non-Republicans, doesn't mean there is anything wrong in academia." How amusing.

    The U.S. was founded on resistance to concentration of power -- political, social, economic. By admitting how overwhelmingly one-sided academia is, those bleating admit and concede the problem.

    Their position is unsustainable. When <80% of workers are concentrated in one sector, reduction in the concentrated sector is the only envitable outcome. Get used to it.

  • ...he could be right
  • Posted by Larry on November 25, 2006 at 5:31am EST
  • BD, People try and address your points, but you still come back to the same soundbites, which does not advance the conversation.

    There are two reason why reason why Horowitz et al fail. Strangely, neither of them indicates for a certainty that he was wrong.

    First his crowd does not even bother to attempt to isolate the philosophical assumptions underlying each discipline. This is a complex task, because it means understanding the discipline on a fairly deep level. This isn’t easy. It often requires years. Essentially, if your level of education is that of an undergrad or less, you really don’t know the subject. (Personally, I don’t know why people think that they can be experts on economics when they have minimal formal education in the subject. They should be ashamed of themselves.)

    Second, his failure to provide specifics: people, graded papers, etc. is somewhat damning of his case. Nevertheless, just because he can’t prove it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

    There are interesting questions about political party membership. However, most of them remain unanswered, because, in the US, political party membership is 1) almost meaningless (it is free, and can be changed for free); 2) does not obligate anyone to vote for anyone. While many do not like the idea of there only being two major parties in the US, both parties exhibit a fair amount of diversity – both ideological and interest-based. Therefore, the mere fact that a person is a Democrat or a Republican does not say that much about him. (And, in many circles, it is even common to donate to candidates from both parties.) People might be “Arlen Specter Republicans” or “Lieberman Democrats.” And, more important to your analysis, a professor might be a, for example “Lincoln Chafee Republican, ” or a “Ted Kennedy Democrat” just because these particular Congressmen are particularly good at securing funds for their projects. Indeed, just like a “corporation” academics may see that certain politicians are better at servicing their interests than others.For your statistics to have meaning, you would have to account for these things. (Also, I noted that academics in Massachusetts, probably saw a strong affinity to Kerry, because he was not only from the Bay State, but likely knew many of them personally.)

  • Merry Christmas, Larry
  • Posted by B.D. on November 25, 2006 at 11:25am EST
  • " .. First his crowd does not even bother to attempt to isolate the philosophical assumptions underlying each discipline .."

    Well, Lar .. I could go into 25,000-word rant about the negative aspects of concentration of power ..

    But isn't that what the non-Republicans were bleating about, before this fall's Congressional elections? That the non-Democrats controlled U.S. government?

    So -- now that non-Republicans have won the U.S. House and U.S. Senate, it is OK for non-Republicans to live off the public soft-side academia teat? Is that logical?

    Nah -- it is not. As just a little fuzz-ball, everytime that I see the concentration of power, I know that it has to be taken apart. Isn't that what the Founders did with King George III?

    Further, simple math and statistics will tell you, everyone in English, anthropology, social work, etc., CANNOT be of one political mind-set. That is: 100% of English PhDs and MAs are Democrats? That flies in the face of basic statistical sampling and common sense.

    Lar -- a bit more on the concentration of power:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herfindahl_index

    And some of my best friends:

    http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/

    http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NGEyZTRhNTNmMGNjNTdkYmRiNWQwMTc2MWI3NzgyM2M=

    Concluding: if USDOJ/ATR investigates Microsoft for dominating PC-DOS -- it is NOT OK for taxpayers to investigate why it seems that only non-Republicans are hired in public soft-side academia? Perhaps a one-year 80% cut-off of funding would help clarify their thinking -- let them look for funding alternatives.

    Well, shop it up, Lar. Santa wants it that way. Besides, he's just a front for, and a puppet of, the Eastern retail establishment -- oppressing Mrs. Claus, tormenting elves of the Third World, and abusing reindeer.

  • whats all this about political parties?
  • Posted by Larry on November 25, 2006 at 4:55pm EST
  • BD, You seem awfully wed to political parties. Since I don’t belong to one, your obsession seems, well, silly. I also fear that if people like you were taken seriously, your desire that people be hired on the basis of not even their preferred method of government, but their voting record, would end up discriminating most against people like me: non-voting unaffiliated, registered voters, who have an extremely nuanced view of the way government should operate. I can just imagine being interviewed by the likes of you, who would demand to know who I voted for in the last election, and say “Don’t call us, we will call you” if I reply “Nobody. Voting is silly.”

    While the federal government is divided between Republicans and Democrats, individuals, regardless of political parties will continue to seek jobs in academe. This is the way it was, and the way it will be. People, regardless of political party will seek jobs in government, and the military, and the private sector as well.

    There are Republicans in “soft side” academe, and I challenge you to find a single hiring committee that asks for political affiliation in an interview. If you can’t provide the name of a single faculty member who asked an interviewee to disclosure his political affiliation during an interview – so that we can ask him to confirm or deny it – I suspect that you made the whole political discrimination thing up. Also, provide the name of the interviewee.

    The thing is, that before you can get into rants about “concentrations” of power, you have to do a better job demonstrating that people are actually acting in concert with one another. You have not even shown with any degree of specificity that they are acting. All you have is a few unsupported anecdotes, and a couple of statistics which could mean anything.

    Finally, taxpayers can, via their elected representatives, investigate just about anything they want. (As a legal matter, most likely who an individual voted for is off limits, but I have already told you who I voted for and why.) However, the taxpayers in Pennsylvania did just that, and a complete failure by people that agree with you to provide specifics indicated that there is nothing to be concerned about.

  • Posted by Bman on November 25, 2006 at 9:00pm EST
  • Larry, do you honestly believe that a faculty hiring committee member is going to confirm that he asked the political affiliation of a prospective faculty member? He could lose his job over that. That doesn't mean, however, that he didn't do it. Being that faculty hiring committees are overwhelming left-wing, he wouldn't have any trouble lying about such a thing. After all, it is the typical left-wing response to lie about something that will get one in trouble or make the left-wing look bad. Bill Clinton continually lied about his relations with "that woman", hoping that the media would cover for him and people would forget about it. Well, they didn't, and he was finally forced to admit the truth.

  • was it sqaundered?
  • Posted by Larry on November 26, 2006 at 7:50pm EST
  • BMan, While many people offer initial denials, these hearings, which I think were conducted by a body with the power to subpoena witnesses would have been the perfect opportunity to investigate and cross-examine witnesses. Just think: Pro-Horowitz legislatures could have interrogated a professor that denied asking the “affiliation” question for three hours or so. (And three hours is how long I think it would take a prosecutor with two years experience to break someone of that kind of lie.)

    But, it didn’t happen. In fact, nobody even submitted an affidavit alleging that a hiring committee inquired into their political beliefs.

    Indeed, in the US (outside of Puerto Rico), political discrimination, though actionable under 42 USC 1983, in universities is quite rare.

    So, instead of the specifics that people actually writing legislation crave, all we got were continued political speeches.

  • Philip Nord is right on the money
  • Posted by rxm76 on November 26, 2006 at 9:15pm EST
  • Philip, I could not agree with you more.
    rxm76

  • You Just Can't Reason with These People
  • Posted by T.R.M. on November 27, 2006 at 4:20am EST
  • I don't know whether to find it amusing or sad that, in the wake of the Pennsylvania hearings that turned up no convincing evidence that professors are "indoctrinating" students, David Horowitz and his disciples are behaving much like fervent believers in alien abduction or the various 9/11 conspiracy theories. In the twisted world of such "true believers," the absence of evidence is transformed into evidence: "Gee, if we haven't found what we were looking for, it must really be there, because people are really afraid of the big bad (insert your favorite bogeyman here, such as CIA, Bush administration, Clinton administration, military-alien-industrial complex) conspiracy.

    Get over it, folks. The Pennsylvania hearings proved that (at least in Pennsylvania) Horowitz, ACTA, FIRE, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, etc., are all dead wrong. Take your time and energy and spend it on something productive.

  • Hello, B.D.
  • Posted by T.R.M. on November 27, 2006 at 4:20am EST
  • Hello, B.D.--

    I've been reading your comments on these blogs for some time now, and wanted to say the following:

    I'm a tenured professor in what you call "soft side" academia at a public university. I'm also a registered Republican, which at first glance should provide anecdotal refutation to your repeated assertions that "soft side" academia completely shuts out Republicans. (If you want further anecdotal evidence, I can tell you that out of 25 full-time faculty members in the English department at the university where I teach, I know that eight are Republicans, five are Democrats, and the rest I'm not sure about. Out of eight full-time members of the philosophy department, I know that four are Republicans, one is a Democrat, one is a Green, and the others I'm not sure about. And in Anthropology, out of six full-timers, I know we have three Democrats, one Green, one Republican, and the rest I'm not sure about. How do I know all of this? I ceratianly never asked anyone about political affiliation at a job interview, just as no one ever asked me. But I've been around here more than two decades, and I talk to people at lunch, and I've been interested in the political affiliations of professors ever since the radical right wing started making a crisis out of the issue.)

    I believe that I, as a Republican, have much more in common with my Democratic colleagues that I have with you, B.D. What do I mean? It's the old "lesser of two evils" issue. Almost all of my colleagues--though they vary widely in their political beliefs--agree with me that the two-party system in our country provides us with a series of false either-or choices and forces us into the unenviable position of voting against what we hate rather than for what we believe. Some of us, like me, find that affiliating ourselves with the Republicans is the best available option. Others choose the Democrats. But most of us wish we had better options.

    If you knew me, B.D., I have little doubt that you would deride me as a "RINO" Republican. I've had that thoughtless slur directed at me more times than I can count. But hey, I can handle it. I'm tenured, after all. As long as I teach my classes well, serve my university well, and as long as my scholarship passes muster with my disciplinary colleagues nationwide,--people like you, B.D., can't touch me. You can bloviate mindlessly (as you so often do) about 80% cuts in funding for academia, about tenured folks being replaced cheaply with un- or under-employed Ph.D.s, and about all those other things so apparently near and dear to your heart. But your bloviation accomplishes nothing. If you really believe in thes things, why not run for public office or endeavor to get these things paced on voting ballots in your home state, wherever that is?

    As long as you continue to throw tantrums on this site, I hope you realize that you are accomplishing nothing. It really bother you that you can't touch the tenured class, deosn't it? Your blood pressure is rising just reading my post here, isn't it? In response to what I've written, you'll probably direct readers to a couple of unrelated web sites, won't you? But in the final analysis, you won't effect any real change whatsoever, will you? Before you dash off an angry response, why don't you think about all of that?

  • Posted by hard grader on November 27, 2006 at 4:20am EST
  • http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5964655/
    Military vote softens but doesn't shift
    Brock N. Meeks
    MSNBC
    Sept 15, 2004

    "A poll conducted late last year by the Military Times found that 57 percent of those surveyed consider themselves Republican, while 13 percent identified with the Democrats. Among the officer corps the numbers were different. Nearly 66 percent of officers considered themselves Republican compared with 9 percent Democratic."

    I await calls to investigate the scandalous failure of the military to promote Democrats in numbers proportionate to their representation in the general population.

    Seriously, FWIW, I've never been asked about my politics as a job candidate, and from the hiring side I've been on a half-dozen search committees, and played roles in at least three times as many hires, and never have I heard a candidate asked about their party registration, voting, or anything remotely related. It would be way out of line. You don't ask about religion, you don't ask about marital status or kids ... what you can ask about is actually pretty restricted. I'm also sure the U.S. military as an institution promotes on merit and not on the basis of party affiliation. I can't vouch personally for the behavior of every college prof in the United States. But the people who make these weird charges have no idea how academic hiring and promotion works.

  • Posted by Prof Rob , He Could be Right? on November 27, 2006 at 12:00pm EST
  • Well Larry, I think much of what you say makes sense--even the claim that Horowitz's failure (for all the reasons you cite) to prove his case doesn't mean he can't possibly be right.

    But it is a basic principle of sound rational thinking that if I make a claim I have the burden of proof. And if the suppression of student freedom by repressive Left professors is so widespread and serious a matter as he claims, there ought to be viable evidence that he could have offered. If he failed to make his case after being given the opportunity to do so, then probably he didn't have a case or he is an incompetent representative of his cause.

    Moreover, if--and that's a big "if"--extensive search also fails to turn up evidence of this Left repression of students, then the inadequate job done by Horowitz only makes more likely that his claims lack merit.

    There is a point where absence of evidence doesn become evidence of absence--though I'm not sure whether that is the case here.

  • Posted by Larry on November 27, 2006 at 12:31pm EST
  • Rob, I agree. I welcomed the Pennsylvania committee, because it would give him an structured forum for his grievances. Indeed, even though legislative committees don’t have burdens of proof in the way that courts do, one could still import such principles into them. Horowitz didn’t deliver. Despite the opportunity, it doesn’t even look like he tried. So, I don’t think that we need to even reach the issue of whether a lack of evidence indicates such an impossibility.

    Now, I am still open to the possibility that there are outlying cases out there, where a wayward professor actually discriminates solely for political reasons against a student or faculty member. The courts are well-suited to deal with this. So far, there really is not any proof. There are complaints, and people who swear that everything in the complaint is true, but little more.

    And, a note on military officers: maybe I am naive, but I can’t discern any particular party membership trends in the many active duty and retired officers I know well enough to discuss politics with. Of course, this might be due to people I prefer to keep company with. Heck, there might be a large concentration of officers that detest all lawyers, but they probably wouldn’t have anything to do with me. Strangely enough, I think (based on a quick look at their websites), the of the ex-military types in the next Congress, the Democrats will have the majority of them.

  • Can't touch this?
  • Posted by B.D. on November 27, 2006 at 11:00pm EST
  • " .. It (sic) really bother (sic) you that you can’t touch the tenured class, deosn’t (sic) it?"

    Dear quality-spelling fan of Mr. Berube:

    You obviously don't understand the concept of financial exigency --

    http://www.google.com/search?as_q=financial+exigency+college&num=100&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=images

    In a world where students are allowed to borrow $165,000.00 --

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/credit/2006-11-26-young-debt-schopp-profile_x.htm

    One easily have the makings of a national declaration of "financial exigency" in higher education.

    Which allows for layoffs of tenured deadwood. In English departments.

    Your outburst is an obvious reaction of fear. How unfortunate -- you should ask Mommy and Daddy to help. Good luck, and have a nice day.

  • BD does not like academics, right?
  • Posted by Larry on November 28, 2006 at 7:15am EST
  • BD, Okay, me see if I get your point: You don’t like academics. They are comfortably employed and you don’t understand what they do. You think they are going to lose their jobs, and this would make you happy.

    You also are against the notion that students, as adults, should be allowed to enter into contracts, in which their counterparty pays money up front, in return for money later on down the road with interest.

    Also, you like to use Google.

    Anyway, TRM’s comments had me singing “God Bless America” as they were moving and pretty much summed up whatever debate you are involved in.

  • Hullo, Larry the economist
  • Posted by B.D. on November 28, 2006 at 7:50am EST
  • " .. You don’t like academics."

    Academic deadwood, Lar.

    " .. They are comfortably employed and you don’t understand what they do .."

    Most don't give a crap about the massive government-backed debt loads their slovenly work-habits create for students, Lar. It's about money -- the students', yours, mine, Doug's, everyone's.

    " .. You think they are going to lose their jobs, and this would make you happy .."

    If general performance were a criteria, a lot would be returning to Starbucks. That's their problem -- no one else's.

    " .. You also are against the notion that students, as adults, should be allowed to enter into contracts .."

    Larry -- have you ever see a student loan form and the $$$ amounts involved? It can be staggering.

    Have you ever seen someone, after graduating from private, fifth-tier law school with $125,000 in debt, begin crying that his only job offer as a $9.50/hour loan collector?

    On a hypothetical level -- I don't care if someone borrows themselves into financial bankruptcy.

    On a moral level -- when the debt load hits $50,000, $75,000, $100,000 -- should someone ask, "how is it going?" Is there a moral hazard involved?

    Especially if that debt is underwritten by U.S. taxpayers (e.g, ol' Lar, et al.). Who, BTW, are on the hook for the $$$, in default. Remember the S&L crisis?

    Merry Christmas, Larry. Happy writ-filing, lil' buddy.

    P.S: BTW -- complaints about MBA programs, et al., with so many non-Democrats v. non-Republicans. The ratio is about 1:1, as opposed to 1:100 in some soft-side academic departments.

    If the critics want to "even" things out in academica -- bring it on. The world could use more Starbucks servers with MA degrees in English and anthropology.

  • Posted by Larry on November 28, 2006 at 9:16am EST
  • BD, Yes, I know what student loans look like and I know what the forms look like. However, I have never once heard of a student being forced to sign one. (I have heard of identity-theft issues, which involves an actual crime.) Moreover, if a student really was legally coerced into taking a student loan, it could be invalidated. I don’t see what is immoral about this. Moreover, for motivated students, scholarships are available. Unfortunately, many students watched TV or drank in high school and college, so they just are not scholarly material.

    Secondly, as you know, most student loans are guaranteed by the government. While it is true that in some cases the government might need to make good on these loans, since they are largely not subject to discharge in bankruptcy (with some small exceptions), the system is fairly robust.

    Third, and I know I am opening a mare’s nest here, but I wonder what, in your mind is not “deadwood.” We know that you think that academics are deadwood. Obviously the military doesn’t produce anything, so they are deadwood. Likewise, people in government are not producing. Criminals don’t help, nor do people working in hospitals. So, besides the guy making the lattes, who isn’t deadwood?

    Finally, your figures on party affiliation in academe have been shown time and time again here to be based, at best on “preliminary” guesses in studies that concede that it is impossible to count accurately, or just stuff that people made up.

    Whatever the case, as TRM eloquently pointed out: most educated people have more in common with each other then they do with uneducated people who hate them.

  • Larry -- get a calculator
  • Posted by B.D. on November 28, 2006 at 10:01am EST
  • " .. the system is fairly robust."

    Larry -- how do you know? Where's are your calculations?

    Many of these students are looking at 25-year repayments, at the lowest-possible amounts. So, it is possible that some will die with signficant balances still owed.

    I won't be around in 2031, but maybe you will. Good luck, paying those bills -- you got warned.

    As for this .. " ..your figures on party affiliation in academe have been shown time and time again .."

    Larry, you are getting boring. I show the studies; you don't have any studies and attack the existing studies; and so on. It is boring. Until you get some studies of your own, this matter is settled.

  • B.D.'s Hypocrisy
  • Posted by T.R.M. on November 28, 2006 at 10:05am EST
  • I’ll admit it, B.D. You caught several egregious spelling errors in my post. Those errors are my fault, and I’ve now vowed to myself that I will never again post to “Inside Higher Ed” immediately after an eight hour shift of grading papers, and I will never again post here without first editing my submission in a word processing window. Quite frankly, the errors in my post embarrass me.

    I do find it deliciously ironic, however, that the post in which you critique my spelling also includes this bit of grammatical brilliance:

    “One easily have [sic] the makings of a national declaration of ‘financial exigency’ in higher education.”

    It’s been a while, hasn’t it, since you’ve reviewed the principles of subject-verb agreement? While we’re at it, I should note that one of your posts in another thread, probably a couple of weeks ago, includes not one but two examples of a serious mechanical error: a comma placed directly between a subject and a verb.

    Even more problematic, though, is that you don’t seem to understand the very concept you accuse me of not understanding: financial exigency. First of all, I don’t know of any university or university system that could use a declaration of exigency the way you seem to want it used: to fire tenured professors and replace them with cheaper (presumably adjunct) faculty members. Sorry, but it doesn’t work that way. In fact, there are provisions in most faculty union contracts, and in many university charters, that specifically prohibit that kind of action. When a state of exigency is actually declared, whole programs are eliminated and courses are taken off the books. No one is hired to replace the faculty members who lose their jobs. And there is usually a set period of time in which universities cannot reinstate these programs and courses without rehiring (or first offering to rehire) the faculty members who lost their jobs. Second, I’d like to see you explain who would have the authority to declare a national state of exigency in higher education. Under what circumstances could such a thing possibly happen? It might be something you fervently wish for, but I don’t know whether to shudder or chuckle at the thought of the constitutional crisis that might ensue if anyone attempted to declare a national state of exigency for higher education.

  • Is it boring to read more than National Review ?
  • Posted by Larry on November 28, 2006 at 11:00am EST
  • BD, Actually, in many cases the terms of the loan indicate that income-contingent loans are “cancelled” if the full balance is not repaid after a set amount of time. Many student loans (actually, I think all of them) are also cancelled at death or serious disability. This is a risk that the lender needs to take, and the lenders usually purchase some insurance to shift the risk to someone else. Yes, bankers are a crafty sort. They see a need, they see a risk, they fill the need, and pass the risk.

    If student loans were not robust, people simply would not write them. Obviously some people would like to make more money, and some people would like to pay less money, but everyone I know goes to school, and everyone I know repays their loans. Moreover, you show studies, but you have never once responded to any criticisms that people leveled against proffer of them. Why? Because you do little more than read what some website tells you the study said.

    Anyway, good luck on trying to end TRM's career. While I don't think you will succeed, it will be comical, and make me laugh.

  • Multiple Choice Tests
  • Posted by Darrel Walters , Professor at Temple University on November 28, 2006 at 2:01pm EST
  • The derogatory inference that multiple-choice tests are inferior modes of assessment (Larry et al) shows ignorance of the medium's power. A well crafted multiple choice test is an outstanding tool for assessing knowledge and understanding, promoting complex thinking over memorization, and prompting insightful discussion following the test. Critics of the multiple choice format commonly cite banal multiple choice items to support their position. The impression they leave is that no one writes multiple choice items that contain rich content and provoke inferential thinking. Like other convenient labels (liberal, conservative, pro-life, pro-choice), the label "multiple choice" encourages us to decide that we know the nature of something (or someone)without having to bother with details.

    Darrel Walters, Temple University

  • read what I wrote
  • Posted by Larry on November 28, 2006 at 3:10pm EST
  • Mr. Walters, Read what I wrote. I said they can be good or bad.

  • Larry don't know student debt?
  • Posted by B.D. on November 28, 2006 at 3:10pm EST
  • " .. the lenders usually purchase some insurance to shift the risk to someone else .."

    So show me that clause, counselor. I'm tired of looking up your data. And talk is cheap (unless you are a D.C. attorney, being charged-off at $200+/hour.

    http://www.ed.gov/offices/OSFAP/DirectLoan/index.html

    As to eliminating tenured English departments at Tier III and below colleges, that would be simple.

    A declaration that taxpayer-subsidized loans could no longer be used to fund first-year English at four-year colleges, that students should either have that ability upon entrance (SAT-V @ 600) or get it at a lower-cost community college or AP course.

    At that point, billions of dollars of future student debt could be eliminated.

  • More "dialogue" with B.D.
  • Posted by T.R.M. on November 28, 2006 at 6:00pm EST
  • Dear B.D.,

    I really have to admit that I admire your tenacity. You stick to your arguments no matter what anyone else says, and I have to think that you believe passionately in what you say, or else you wouldn’t be posting here so often.

    At the same time, I’m struck by how often you seem to have no idea what you’re talking about. Your proposal for eliminating “tenured English departments at Tier III and below” universities is absurd. Who would have the authority to make a “national declaration” that student loans could not fund first-year English courses? I suppose Congress could pass legislation to that effect, and the President could sign it. (Perhaps you might contact your Senators and Representative in order to get the ball rolling. I don’t suspect you’ll have much luck, but you could give it a try.) Anyway, even if someone were willing to do that, we’re talking about one course here. How exactly do you calculate that billions of dollars in debt could be saved by putting three measly credits in each college student’s career (oh, excuse me, not each college student, but only those at “Tier III and below” institutions) off limits for coverage by student loan funds? How would you even enforce such a thing? Furthermore, first-year English courses tend to be real money-makers for the university. Staffing costs are generally very low, because so many of the sections are taught by adjuncts who earn next to nothing and receive no benefits. And there are usually no excessive equipment costs, as any old classroom with some desks and a blackboard will do. Certainly, some sections of first-year English these days are taught in classrooms equipped with computers, but universities would have those classrooms anyway, even if first-year English were eliminated.

    I’ve seen some compelling arguments for eliminating first-year English as a requirement (though your particular argument, B.D., is not compelling at all). And there are some schools where, if that happened, the size of the English department would probably be reduced. But in no way would that eliminate any of the things about “soft side academia” against which you rail so much on this web site.

    Think of it this way: If your proposal were enacted tomorrow, Michael Berube (against whom you seem to have a particular animus) would still have his job, and would suffer no ill effects. “How unfortunate,” indeed, for you.

  • A regular laugh-factory
  • Posted by B.D. on November 28, 2006 at 7:45pm EST
  • " .. But in no way would that eliminate any of the things .."

    What is perhaps most-laughable about TRMs is how they claim "it can't be done."

    Sure. And government pensions are bullet-proof.

    http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50D11FC3A5B0C758CDDA80994DE404482&showabstract=1

    And Ward Churchill could never be fired.

    http://www.colorado.edu/news/reports/churchill/churchill062606.html

    Keep providing the joke material, TRMs. You've provided Mr. Horowitz with at least five years' of funding. And Limbaugh, Hannity, and O'Reilly have climbed aboard. You've done a wonderful job, providing funding for all of them, with your positive, productive pedagogy. Keep it up, you hip cats!

  • Not Laughing
  • Posted by T.R.M. on November 29, 2006 at 12:50pm EST
  • This is probably an exercise in futility, but:

    I never said "It can't be done." That's a distortion of my argument.

    With regard to someone declaring a national state of financial exigency for higher education, I did say that I'm not aware of the existence of any person or agency with the power or the authority to do so. If such a person or agency currently exists, please let me know. If the answer stands up to scrutiny, I will freely admit I was wrong.

    With regard to some sort of national prohibition on the use of student loan funds to cover tuition for first-year English courses, I never claimed that couldn't be done. I did say I thought it would be extremely difficult, but not that it's impossible. The more substantive part of my argument (and it seems that substance is routinely ignored by certain posters to this forum) was that such a change in student loan regulations would not, by itself, bring about a radical restructuring of "soft side academia."

    And Ward Churchill? I just wish people would stop dragging out his name every time they run out of legitimate arguments. For what it's worth, I believe he deserved to be fired. He never should have been hired in the first place. But Horowitz and his ilk will probably continue to try to put people on the defensive by linking them to Churchill. I'm glad the Republicans on the Select Committee on Academic Freedom in Pennsylvania saw through that charade.

  • What?
  • Posted by B.D. on December 1, 2006 at 7:30am EST
  • " .. such a change in student loan regulations would not, by itself, bring about a radical restructuring of “soft side academia.”

    Oh. Yes. Like the G.I. Bill didn't change academia after WWII. Right -- you so right.