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April 10, 2007

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Lasting improvements to the K-12 school system may well end up starting in the classrooms – and so colleges of education are logical starting places for education reform. Yet, while teacher education gets plenty of scrutiny, a new, nationwide initiative goes straight to the top of the food chain in an attempt to catalyze change in the education of education’s leaders.

A new project to re-envision the education doctorate, or the Ed.D., at 21 universities nationwide grows out of the basic premise that there’s no clear distinction between the Ed.D., in theory the professional practice degree, and the more research-oriented Ph.D. in education -- and, as a result, that the quality of the Ed.D. and of the education Ph.D. is not what it should or could be.

In theory, the two degrees are expected to have completely different focuses, with one often designed for working educators hoping to climb the administrative chain and master the skill sets (including data analysis skills) needed for effective educational leadership, while the other, more research-oriented degree is meant to fit the traditional social science Ph.D. model. But in practice, the Ed.D., in the words of Lee S. Shulman, president of the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching (a sponsor of the project), has come to be seen as little more than "Ph.D.-lite." And the education Ph.D. has likewise suffered from the lack of distinction.

“You’re trying to make the degree fit for both audiences, so we’ve wound up watering down the expectations for our Ph.D. students of what they need to know,” says Catherine Emihovich, professor and dean of the University of Florida’s College of Education, a participating university in the initiative. At Florida, Emihovich says, professional educators seeking administrative jobs in the K-12 sector have traditionally pursued the Ph.D. track because the Ph.D. was perceived, essentially, as equivalent to the Ed.D. but with more prestige.

Without a clear academic distinction between the two paths, the Ph.D. students traditionally enjoy relatively lax requirements when it comes to research while, on the other hand, the Ed.D. students in many cases spend too much time on “academic” as opposed to “applied” research, and too little time learning the skills they’ll actually need to run their school or district effectively. And, then, of course there's that pesky problem of respect....

"An Ed.D is not, or at least, should not, be viewed as a sub-standard degree; it is a practitioners degree," says (via e-mail) Larry L. Dlugosh, professor and chair of the educational administration department at the University of Nebraska at Lincoln, also a participating university. "All that being said, the Ed.D. has been maligned enough that it may be the appropriate time to construct a vibrant doctoral degree designed with professional educators (in practice) as the target audience."

Simply put, both the Ph.D. and the Ed.D. need to be better, says David G. Imig, a professor of practice at the University of Maryland at College Park and coordinator of the three-year project to “reclaim” the educational doctorate, launched last month by the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching and the Council of Academic Deans from Research Education Institutions. “And one way to make them better," he says, "is to invest the time to really look seriously at the distinction between them.”

The initiative will focus on re-evaluating capstone experiences, re-imagining the Ed.D. dissertation, crafting coherent and distinct admissions policies for both degree paths and rethinking everything from the basic course requirements to the oral examinations. “In other words, we’re going to solve every problem in the next three years,” Imig, the former long-time leader of the American Association of Colleges for Teacher Education, says with a laugh.

In all seriousness, he adds: “What do we want out of this? What we really want is 22, 25 places that have done this, [so] at the end of this, they’ll be able to say, ‘We’ve got a better Ed.D. than we had before. We’ve got some real differences from our Ph.D.'”

Within three to five years, hopefully, he says, "What we've got is a lot of conversation on campus; you've got some very serious engagement of faculty on these issues."

At Florida, for example, where Emihovich says in five years she hopes to offer two clearly distinct and well-articulated degrees, the new Ed.D. will likely incorporate courses tailored to fit the practical needs expressed by local community colleges and K-12 districts, as well as an increased focus on distance education. Meanwhile, the Ph.D. would be more heavily based in theory.

On the Ed.D. dissertation side, Imig describes the possibility of more collaborative work involving the analysis of data collected by others. Rather than generating their own data and hypothesis-testing, as Ph.D. students would, a group of Ed.D. students would analyze a specific pool of data from a number of different angles, each writing an individual dissertation on a specific aspect of the data which, when pooled together with the other dissertations, would combine to offer a comprehensive solution to a real-world problem. For example, in an analysis of achievement gaps in a particular county, one Ed.D. student could focus on race, another on math and science, another on parental engagement. “What they’re trying to do is provide original solutions, original answers that would provide direction for the school system, the superintendent, whatever," says Imig.

The University of Southern California is now in its fourth year of taking this type of approach toward the dissertation, in which a group of Ed.D. students signs onto a faculty research project, each individual to analyze a particular slice. “It’s helping them understand, not to break new ground and to put something in a refereed journal, but to understand how as an administrator you would get information about a problem that confronts a school,” says Karen Symms Gallagher, dean of USC’s Rossier School of Education, where work to re-design the Ed.D. program began back in 2001 when, she says, hardly anyone else was thinking along these lines. “We’re not trying to prepare them for individual research, but when they become a principal or a superintendent, they’re going to be asking questions, and they want to get answers that are based on authentic methodology."

Furthermore, says Gallagher, USC’s newly revamped three-year Ed.D. program, designed for working educators, requires four core courses, in learning, leadership, accountability and diversity, and two courses in inquiry designed to help students be “consumers of research” and design studies around "problems of practice." Meanwhile, five to seven Ph.D. students are accepted for full-time study at USC each year, with full funding and a $25,000 stipend, to pursue much higher standards of research and, ultimately, careers in academe or policy.

“We’re clear on what we are preparing our students to do,” says Gallagher, who hopes to further strengthen the distinctions over the next three years as a participating university in the Carnegie initiative.

“We also know who we’re looking for. Just because you say you want a Ph.D., if you want to do something in practice, we will not accept you. We want people who are clear going into this where they are going to end up.”

Many administrators also stress that currently there's a relative lack of common expectations across education graduate schools. “One of the problems with education is that we really don’t have a real clear knowledge base that everyone is expected to know,” says Jeffrey A. Miller, associate dean for graduate studies and research in the School of Education at Duquesne University, another participating institution. “We believe one of the things we need to do is clarify: ‘What are the knowledge bases for a practitioner; what are the knowledge bases for a Ph.D. program?'”

Imig, the project coordinator, concedes that there will be resistance to the Carnegie initiative, both from those who prefer the status quo (faculty, after all, are typically trained in the types of academic inquiry this new model of the Ed.D. would move away from), and from those who want a more radical solution. Arthur Levine, for instance, the former president of Teachers College at Columbia University, recently called for an end to the Ed.D. altogether. He advocates for the creation of a M.B.A.-equivalent, a rigorous, two-year master’s of educational administration program. "It's not obvious why practitioners need a doctorate," he says.

Yet, he adds, “given the fact that my recommendation is unlikely to be picked up, it would be just a wonderful thing to give integrity to the Ed.D.”

“I wish the Carnegie Foundation good luck in doing that, but it’s hard, it’s a real challenge,” Levine says.

Administrators say that the change won’t come overnight. Still, many have real hope for this initiative, given the number of institutions on board. (The other participants are the Universities of Connecticut, Houston, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisville, Maryland, Missouri-Columbia, Oklahoma, South Florida and Vermont, as well as Northern Illinois, Pennsylvania State, Rutgers, Vanderbilt, Virginia Commonwealth, Virginia Tech and Washington State Universities. Imig says he’s in conversation with several others who also want in, but is unsure of how much he can grow the project).

The Carnegie Foundation and the Council of Academic Deans from Research Education Institutions (CADREI) both have “considerable prestige and influence in the academic community,” says Carol Smith, vice president for professional issues and partnerships at the American Association of Colleges for Teacher Education. “For CADREI and the Carnegie Foundation to join forces is really something that one would expect to have a lot of impact.”

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Comments on Envisioning a New Ed.D.

  • EdD vs PhD
  • Posted by T. Kidd on September 5, 2007 at 10:50am EDT
  • This is an interesting discussion. The question that should be asked is what is the aim and purpose of the doctoral degree.

    Whether the title is a PhD, an Ed.D, a LitD, ScD, etc, is the goal to produce researchers, practitioners, or a combination of both?

    Regardless of the title of the degree, it should be about the rigor and structure of the program.

    My personal thought is that the goal is to produce graduates who can think and design innovative solutions for solving educational problems.

    Should it matter what type of degree one holds as long as the job gets done with positive and optimal results?

    If we in the education field cannot come to a consensus on the degrees we grant, how can we expect K-12 education, community colleges, etc to function properly, when we at the university are disjointed, disconnected, and battling each other over the type of doctoral degree one receives.

  • Torn
  • Posted by PMR on September 15, 2007 at 7:55pm EDT
  • I will soon be applying to Ed.D. programs. After reading everyone's comments, I am torn. My career ambition is to work as an administrator (director) at the district level, at a community college, or a university. I have no burden about research within my Ed.D program, but I do not want to make a career in educational research. I don't want to work my tail off in an Ed.D program only to feel I have earned the equivalent of a "toy degree". As I understand it, the Ed.D. is a practitioner degree and the Ph.D., a researcher degree. Is this the current thinking, or does the snobbery with the Ph.D persist?

  • Insight and Inquiry from a Rising School Leader
  • Posted by Weldon B. Williams, III on November 21, 2007 at 9:25am EST
  • At this juncture in my career, I am seeking an academically engaging doctoral program in educational leadership and administration k-12. My desire is to learn in a program that will challenge me on various leves of intelligences and thought systems.

    Part of the problem with our public school system is that many of our leader are not academians. Instead, many are people who earn poitions through status or the "good old boy network". Even more so, several have "earned" degrees from schools with flatline requirements for admissions and learning. The idea of education being big business is realized in the public school arena and in so called higher education. We are trifiling with the minds and development of human beings.

    In all of the fields that affect humans as directly as education does (i.e. medicine and law)there is a requirement of a certian level of expertise and proficiency. But, when it comes to the intellectual development of children, seriousness toward the training and proficiency of the school leadership candidate are not as important.

    Conversely, I point to the fact that there are many people that are excellent school leaders that did not go to the institutions of academic rigor. School leaders for many years did not earn doctorates, but produced great things and engaged children. Some of the greatest minds that colleges and universities invite to teach or lecture have no college degrees at all! Many of the worlds richest and most shrewd business men and women do not have college degrees. They pay the ones that do so that their system of money acquisition can be maintained and improved daily.

    I appreciate research and academic rigor. All three of my degrees are from excellent institutions that provide academic rigor. We must get past egocentrisim and move toward the real work at hand. Ed.D vs. Ph.D should be a moot point. "CAN YOU DO THE JOB AND DO IT EFFECTIVELY?" is what is really important. I fully intend to earn a doctorate from a fine research institution because I want to be the most thorough representation of what I want others to be, and I wish to utilize the knowledge and expriences I shall acquire to make me the best in my service to humanity.

    Finally, if any of you know a school that has an excellent doctorate degree program in educational leadership and administration (Ph.D or Ed.D) that will allow me to work as I complete the degree, please email me. I wish to work as an assistant principal in a district that pays well and whose positioning will allow me to go to school at the same time. I look forward to hearing from anyone with a possible in-road to realizing my goal very soon.

  • Ed.D and Ph.D
  • Posted by Bernard Luskin , Executive Vice President at Fielding Graduate University on December 26, 2007 at 7:20am EST
  • I am completing a study of twelve university leadership programs on a grant from the W.K. Kellogg Foundation. All twelve universities offered the Ph.D and Ed.D. The only consistent difference between the programs at these universities is that the Ph.D had a language requirement in most of the universities. The Ed.D did not have that requirement, and in its place allowed the choice of various cognate fields. The degree programs were equivalent and the was generally no identifiable difference between the Ed.D and Ph.D in these programs except for the language requirement, which was inconsistant.

  • Posted by Ed on May 22, 2008 at 1:30pm EDT
  • The majority of students I know in an Ed.D. or Ph.D. in education degree program have years of experience in the career field of education. Also, they are working full time while completing their graduate studies and plan to utilize the new degree to gain consideration for a higher level administrative position.

    Regardless of which degree a student desires the coursework needs to be updated and deal with modern day administrative challenges. The commonly used curriculum is out of date and a number of the faculty members have not been in the field for a number of years. Some faculty members are teaching classes on areas and specialties they have never worked in.

    In more than one graduate course I was asked to help teach the class due to my work background. They proved to be a rewarding but challenging position related to not attempting to expose the textbooks and opinions in the course were not correct. I successfully completed this process but it was not a good educational experience.

    Many students end up being silent about their true opinions, not sharing valuable personal work experiences which contradict the textbook and professor’s opinions, write papers based upon what is expected and play the overall academic game to graduate. Once you complete the program and meet co-workers who have completed the same program at another university, they express feeling the same way about their experiences.

  • New Ed. D.
  • Posted by Phoebe Helm on April 10, 2007 at 7:56am EDT
  • I completed my Ed.D. in Education at the U of Ky in 1980 and at that time, the only difference was that I was not required to meet a foreign language requirement. My dissertation required 'classical research' and while I hated portions of it at the time, I now see that as work that required more rigor than any other aspect of my graduate work. My 35 years in administration were better because that level of thought, planning and analysis was required. Later, I had colleagues with Ph.D.'s who did not do 'classical research' and was shocked to find that this was not required. I am not convinced that the need to 'distinguish' between the two degrees should result in a lack of rigor in thought, study, or research.

  • Elitism won't work
  • Posted by Glen S. McGhee , Dir., at Florida Higher Education Accountability Project on April 10, 2007 at 8:57am EDT
  • The attempt to create an elite cadre of education graduate programs at 25 institutions will not help the problems that beset teacher education.

    In his book, The Trouble with Ed Schools (Yale, 2004), David F. Labaree surveys the whole sorry mess, from the emergence of normal schools to supply teachers for public education, the feminization of teaching, to the consumer pressures that transformed the normal schools into “people’s colleges,” that then became the state and regional universities. (His chapter on progressivism and the ed schools is a ‘must read.’)

    The result has been low status for schools/colleges of education, and low prestige for their graduate degrees. No one disputes this. Labaree painstakingly and lovingly details the history and contexts, saying that the problem is that the ed schools have done just what the country needed them to do: to produce droves of teacher educators, education researchers, and education professors.

    Yet the cross-cutting tensions at work in the background, the semi-professional status of teaching itself, and what Labaree calls “The Ed School’s Romance with Progressivism,” have consistently pulled down attempts at elitism.

    The complete turn-around of the Holmes Group over the course of its three reports (1986, 1990, 1995) typifies these problems, and the present set of proposals promise to end the same way -- for the simple reason that they ignore the social institutions in which they are embedded. As Labaree shows in The Trouble with Ed Schools, structure matters.

  • A better train wreck?
  • Posted by Ken , A better train wreck? on April 10, 2007 at 11:56am EDT
  • This plan won't work unless it addresses the basic flaw with most doctoral programs in education, which is the ridiculous premise that every student is involved in a process of discovering "new" knowledge. When I was in a leading education Ph.D. program several years ago a professor told me that every Ph.D. student ought to have published 6 or 7 papers by the time of graduation. It's simply absurd to think that everyone can come up with anything authentically new and important enough to write about while a student. So, as James predicted, the field is driven into trivia. This mindless addiction to publication has driven the field to worship trivia. These are the papers doctoral education students constantly write and read. Students and professors actively support one another in an elaborate shared fantasy that their own small patch in this mountain of trivia is vitally important. At the same time, the great authors go unread. You can graduate from a Ph.D. program after six years and never have read any of the leading thinkers of our past, such as for example Max Weber, William James or John Dewey. The system is simply a train wreck which minor tinkering cannot fix.

  • Elite Cadre?
  • Posted by Kevin Guidry on April 10, 2007 at 11:56am EDT
  • Glen,

    I'm not sure where you're reading the "attempt to create an elite cadre of education graduate programs at 25 institutions" as I don't see that in this article or the related discussion. I'm not quite sure what is wrong with a group of schools cooperating to improve their graduate programs in education; such an effort does not say "elite" to me. Do you know something about this specific effort that I do not or are you reading more into this given your particular background, experiences, education, etc.?

  • New Ed.D
  • Posted by Derek Mpinga , VP of Instruction at Brookhaven College on April 10, 2007 at 11:56am EDT
  • I received my Ed.D in 1979 and I liked the rigor of the program. It is a doctorate and should have high standards no matter what the focus is. No elitism should be created between the Ph.D and Ed.D other than the different foci. Therefore whatever revisions are to be considered, they should not waterdown either of the degrees.

  • EdD
  • Posted by Mickey at MU on April 10, 2007 at 12:11pm EDT
  • I have an EdD that should be considered a PhD based on rigor and dissertation expectation but it was from a College of Education so the logic of adminstration was that we earned an EdD. It is a constant battle for me to be seen as an equal with a PhD lite perception. I will be glad for the day when the distinctions are made and accepted by the Higer Education and k-12 worlds. One is not better than the other but they are and should be different. please keep us updated so I can advise my students on the paths to take for them.

  • Posted by Dan at Penn State Hazleton on April 10, 2007 at 1:36pm EDT
  • I went through the D.Ed. program in Earth Sciences at Penn State during the early 90s. This degree wa considered to be more of a teaching degree rather than a research degree and so required me to have some background in meteorology and geography as well as geology. I have found that this broader background has given me an advantage in the branch campuses of Penn State. I also needed to take some education courses which proven useful for my teaching at the Penn State Hazleton and Penn State Schuylkill campuses.

  • Clear as Mud.D
  • Posted by Katalyst , doctoral student on April 10, 2007 at 3:50pm EDT
  • Please help me with the logic. The quality of Ed.D and Ph.D programs is suffering because they are too similar? Granted, education at every level needs rigor but where is it to be found when those seeking clarification of program criteria and quality of outcomes muddy the water with terms like "authentic methodology"? This is an important discussion to have and I commend you for getting it started on a national level.

  • The view from philosophy
  • Posted by Susan on April 10, 2007 at 5:10pm EDT
  • What we need is a new terminal education degree that is designed by scholars who have nothing at all to do with current Ph.D. or Ed.D. programs.

    At the three universities where I have taught over the past 32 years, I have always been underwhelmed by the quality of "scholarship" and reasoning abilities found in the famed education departments.

  • Posted by docswan on April 10, 2007 at 10:36pm EDT
  • After completing an Ed.D. program in higher education administration in the 90's requiring an emphasis in theory and research, I was amazed to find colleagues who had finished their Ph.D. who did not share similar experiences. I believed for quite some time that the determination of whether one was admitted to either program of study had more to do with the politics within an institution and not reflective of career focus. In my case, administrators and faculty in the College of Education were determined to demonstrate that the rigor of the Ed.D. program was equal to (and greater than) the Ph.D. To support that argument, every student admitted to graduate study that year entered the Ed.D. track. While our experiences were similar, the required number of classes in statistical methods greater, the experiment was not successful in eliminating the "stigma" within the university of the superiority of the Ph.D. Twelve years later, despite significant dialogue within the academy, very few outside the education community have ever inquired as to the difference. It may be the case--in the attempt to maintain a "distinction" between the two degrees--we miss the opportunity to ensure that those granted the "license" inherent in a doctorate are prepared to meet the needs of our communities. Whether Ed.D., Ph.D. or any of the other "D's" one may find (at least 62 that I am aware of), let's move beyond the differences and determine how we can develop strong programs responsive to communities that are in dire need for direction, guidance and assistance. Let's move on!

  • A Doctorate By ANy Other Name?
  • Posted by DrVL at Hofstra University on April 11, 2007 at 8:10am EDT
  • Since I hold a DA (Doctor of Arts) degree, I read this article with mixed feelings. Many people do not even know that this degree exists.

    When I went into the program, it was explained to me that this was "a teaching oriented degree" as opposed to the research oriented Ph.D. Besides that, we were asked to do the same things as any other doctoral students.

    I think the call to find similarities is not as important as to define direction for all doctoral programs in order to better meet the needs of the students we serve.

  • Posted by Art Cohen on April 11, 2007 at 2:55pm EDT
  • It has taken well over a half century to get a concerted effort at returning the Ed.D to where it began. The degree was designed originally as a practitioner's degree but modified (ruined)in an effort to shed its rapidly acquired second-class status. We in education move slowly but often do the right things eventually.

    Art Cohen

  • Rigor of Ed.D.
  • Posted by Dr. Donne Kampel , Associatre Dean at Touro College on April 12, 2007 at 10:35am EDT
  • When I was first recruited for the Ed.D. program, I believed the degree to be more of a practical, clinical degree for educators, rather than a rigorous, research-based degree. However, the program from which I earned my degree made few distinctions between the Ph.D. and the Ed.D. I completed rigorous coursework and my dissertation included orginal data gathered through many, many hours of field work, interviews, analysis, and writing. After passing a two-hour defense and holding a copy of my book, I no longer feel that my Ed.D. is less than a hard won, rigorous research degree. I suppose, though, that the bottom line of any advanced degree relates to the intentions of the granting institution(mine was NYU) and the determination of the student. I am happy, however, with the open debate. I hope it means that someday the Ed.D. will be given its proper credit alongside of the Ph.D. Donne Kampel, Ed.D.

  • That Normal School Stigma
  • Posted by Glen S. McGhee , Dir., at FHEAP on April 13, 2007 at 3:26pm EDT
  • David Labaree’s remarks concerning the Holmes Group report, *Tomorrow’s Teachers* (1986), strike the heart of this proposal are like a laser-guided stealth missile.

    This report, Labaree says, “is perhaps better designed to enhance the professional status of the teacher educator than that of the teacher. The effort to install academic research at the center of the professional curriculum serves to displace the CLINICAL knowledge of the practitioner and establish the teacher educator *rather* than the teacher as the prime authority on correct professional practice. This strategy may actually increase the position of the teacher educator at the expense of the teacher. In addition, it is designed to shore up the status of teacher educators within the university, by highlighting *their* credentials as academic researchers and knowledge producers. But that leads to a second problem with this strategy: There is little reason to think that this effort to model themselves after the other professions in the university will in fact yield teacher educators the kind of respect we desire.” (David F. Labaree, The Trouble with Ed Schools, 2004, page 124. Emphasis added.)

    Considering the history of the emergence of the normal schools, Labaree reminds us that “it was concerns about their own professional status rather than the professionalization of teaching that pushed teacher educators to launch full force into the task of constructing a body of academic research about education. Therefore [it] actually emerged as a side effect of the effort by education professors to professionalize ourselves in ways that were more in tune with academic norms than teacher practice. … these efforts failed miserably. ‘Being as academic as possible’ – by engaging in funded research, employing scientific methodology, writing strictly for an academic audience, producing mountains of refereed journal articles – could not erase the stigma of the normal school from the brow of the education professor.” (125-126)

  • Ed.D. vs. Ph.D.
  • Posted by Anthony Pina , University Administrator on May 11, 2007 at 5:50am EDT
  • The Ed.D. was developed at Harvard in the 1920's as a "practitioner" degree that could be controlled by a college of education, rather than by the university's graduate college. That vision, unfortunately, was never realized. I possess copies of every research study comparing the Ed.D. with the Ph.D. in education since the 1950s and, with a few exceptions at individual institutions, the studies are consistent in demonstrating that there is no appreciable difference between an Ed.D. and a Ph.D. in education.

  • Ed.D / Ph.D
  • Posted by Rosalind on May 19, 2007 at 10:25pm EDT
  • I am starting the Ed.D program at a university in Spetember. I've often wondered what the fundemental differences were between the two doctoral programs (Ed.D/ Ph.D). Through my research and taking a close look at the curriculums of both programs from various colleges and universities, I do not see a huge difference. The course work of boh programs were very similiar-to my dismay-the Ed.D programs required extensive "new" research on the part of the students.

    My husband is a medical doctor; he often tells me the Ph.D's, Ed.D's, or any of the other "D's" don't mean $..* to those with medical degrees. He really doesn't respect the fact that there are other doctoral programs out there.