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The Students Weigh In

As the scrutiny on the college/lender relationship has intensified, and more allegations of “kickbacks,” improper inducements and stock sales by financial aid officials have come to light, the “student” has consistently been a critical figure in the debate, albeit an anonymous one.

Champions of the ever-broadening inquiry not unjustifiably depict themselves as the voice of the “student,” the defender of “the student.” By exerting legal and public pressure, meaningful reform can ensue — and “the student,” they say, will no longer be the one paying the price (with interest) for all those back-room deals.

“Across New York and throughout the nation, people are struggling to keep up with the rising costs of college tuition, and allegations of trips and gifts from lenders to higher education officials raise significant concerns,” New York Attorney General Andrew M. Cuomo said in a February statement when he began his inquiry into potential conflicts of interest in the student loan industry. “When making recommendations on how to make tuition more affordable, there must be absolutely no conflict of interest at the expense of students and their families.”

Meanwhile, financial aid directors have publicly and repeatedly said that “the student” will only be harmed if all this bad news serves to erode trust in college financial aid officers — the vast majority of whom, they stress, are highly ethical and committed to making college affordable. If financial aid personnel end up having their hands tied (or tying their own) in order to avoid any appearance of impropriety, “the student” might end up getting barraged with more direct to consumer information, they say — and worse deals.

Amid all this, one key question has almost been overlooked: Frankly, Andrew Cuomo, do students give a damn?

Well, it seems the short answer so far is ... kinda. They certainly care about their own loans, and college affordability — though they may not be inclined to follow the intricate allegations at campuses that aren’t their own and regarding an industry that isn’t exactly perceived as user-friendly.

On the one hand, news of alleged conflicts of interest at colleges nationwide hasn’t seemed to cross many parents’ and students’ radar screens so far, despite some prominent national news coverage. “We haven’t received one phone call from a parent or student,” said Sarah Bauder, director of the office of financial aid at the University of Maryland at College Park. Nor have any of the financial aid directors on a listserv she’s involved in heard a peep. And no student group at Maryland has contacted Bauder to express concern about what’s happening on the national stage either — not even the student newspaper.

“It’s getting to an individual level now,” Bauder said. “If I were sitting at Johns Hopkins [where news broke Monday that the financial aid director, Ellen Frishberg, had been paid $65,000 in consulting fees and $1,200 in travel expenses since 2002], I would probably say yes, because it’s been highlighted.”

If the students filtering in and out of Maryland’s financial services office Wednesday were at all representative, it seems as though many students are just barely aware of the developments — having heard just a sound bite on the subject that triggered a flicker of concern — and others are altogether out of the loop. But while some students are fairly apathetic about the whole topic, others expressed concern about the news and, in fact, did seem to give a damn. After all, student loans are pretty personal things to those who know they’ll be paying theirs off someday.

“I’m not really that aware of the system, which is kind of shameful because I’m in it,” said Rowena Njie, a junior. A community college transfer student who kept the same lender when she came to Maryland, she said that she’s curious to learn more about the entire process: “If they’re ripping anyone off, I would like to know. They’re not going to tell me they’re ripping me off, are they?”

“I saw it on PBS last night,” added Zhengrong Ma, an M.B.A. student at Maryland who said that he was just now becoming aware of what was happening nationally. He said Cuomo and the members of Congress looking into the industry “want a transparent loan system. I think a transparent system is important.”

“I heard it on NPR, they were talking about it, some schools were telling students to get some loans and getting some money from the lenders, “ said Thomas Rumeau, a senior. “I find this industry to be so complicated,” he said, explaining that he depends on his university to screen lenders for him and that he picked his provider off Maryland’s preferred lender list basically by its name alone.

“I still feel confident” in Maryland’s guidance, he said, “But as I said before, because of the [other] schools, I might be more interested about it, to see if the school finds the right loans for us.”

The students seemed particularly interested in this topic of full disclosure, which Bauder said is one of the major reforms she thinks will end up resulting from the controversy. Universities, she said, will probably have to make very clear to students how and why lenders end up on their preferred lender lists (at Maryland, the seven lenders are chosen for “technology, customer service and pricing” — all offer zero fees to students).

“I don’t think that students not being on top of the scandal is evidence that it doesn’t matter or doesn’t affect them,” said Luke Swarthout, director of the State PIRGs Higher Education Project. Students, he said, might not care about the scandals per se, but they care to the degree that they could reflect underlying structural problems they’re paying for as borrowers.

“The extent to which students do care, and the extent to which we really care, is that this is a system that isn’t providing students with the best opportunities, the cheapest loans and the best deals and where billions of dollars are being tied up in inefficiency,” Swarthout said.

In fact, while some Maryland students seemed genuinely, if somewhat passively, concerned to find out more about what was happening nationally, others quite politely said Wednesday they had enough to worry about already, thanks very much. One second-year student who didn’t give his name (“I don’t like being quoted,” he said) seemed perfectly content with his current lender, which his mother researched. “It doesn’t really affect me that much,” he said of the developments. “It’s more important to me that I continue getting financial aid and going to college.”

Elizabeth Redden

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Student Loans and Lenders

Well I think the whole situation points out that Higher Education is Business. Yes we are attending for education, but it is also keeping the economy going. I have to say I am not too happy with what I got for 100,000. I am not so surprised about kickbacks, they occur everywhere and with everything, even government. I just wish it was illegal or not allowable for a Student to fund there entire College career on loans. I hope to assist College students of the future TO NOT DO WHAT I DID. I don’t know if I blame the Lender or the College or the Financial Aid Officer, Mainly I blame myself. But I ADVISE any future student to NOT TAKE LOANS OUT on THEIR ENTIRE 4 YEAR TUITION!!! Also you do NOT want an interest rate any higher than 8%!!!! YOU WANT 3% APR. And DON"T TAKE anymore than 20,000!!!!! And stay away from Private Lenders and Bank Loans!!!!!!!!!!

Shannon, Elmira College, at 3:20 am EDT on August 3, 2007

I wonder ...

if independent students care more about Cuomo’s probe into student loan practices. I wonder what those non-traditional and adult students, who tend to be working full-time or heads of households, who have taken out loans to finance their postsecondary educations have to say about all this.

Helen, at 10:00 am EDT on April 12, 2007

I agree that it is wrong for schools to take cash kickbacks from lenders, but no student is FORCED to use any one lender by an institution. The students aren’t too concerned because they know that they chose their lender, or at least had the option to choose their own lender. If they were passive during this process, they don’t want to draw attention to that. If you go to a Realtor’s website, you will likely find preferred lenders who paid someone off to get there. If you go to a car dealership, the financing department will likely show you a lender, say your approved, and you will sign the paperwork. This is lending. If there is something wrong with the process of student lending, then there is something wrong with every type of lending out there. I believe that there are some unscrupulous Financial Aid Administrators out there taking bribes from lenders, but I do not believe that the students are suffering terribly because of it. Nobody held a gun to their head and forced them to use a certain lender. That would be newsworthy.

Shelley, at 11:05 am EDT on April 12, 2007

Were these kickbacks at the expense of students? Were financial aid officers steering students to loans with higher interest rates? or were they steering them to loans that were the best for students, or not significantly any different from the loans offered by other lenders? It hasn’t been clear to me from the articles I’ve read which is the case. And if the former is the case, is there a way for students to seek compensation for their losses? If the later is the case, Cuomo should stop putting himself forward as the great seeker of justice.

Sharon, at 12:11 pm EDT on April 12, 2007

Student Lending Issues

Two major things fail to come out in all this misery: 1)If federal GRANTS and all state GRANT programs had increased steadily along with costs, lending (loans) wouldn’t be as big of an issues, and 2)The US Congress sets the interest rates on federal stafford loans and federal parent loans, which are the programs that most financial aid offices have preferred lender lists for, not “private loans", so for stafford and parent loans, if a lender offers any benefits at all, either front end or backend, the student is going to pay less, so there is no way they can get “ripped off” or less than a good deal.

“Private” loans, on the other hand, are credit based loans, just like a mortgage or car loan. Just because a student applies for the cheapest private loan, whether the FA office recommends it or not, doesn’t mean they will be approved. If their credit or income to debt ratio, or that of their co-signer’s, doesn’t meet the lenders standard, they are out of luck. That is why most private student lenders today have “tiered” products, to help students from all types of credit situations, just like mortgages or car lons.

John R. Smith, Associate Director of Financial Aid at Roberts Wesleyan College, at 2:36 pm EDT on April 12, 2007

Most students can’t tell you if they even have a loan, much less what the interest rate is even after they accept their loan on their award letter, visit the website, sign the promissory note, have an entrance counseling session and attend a financial aid orientation session. And that includes the upperclassmen who have been through it for two, three or four times in a row.

So fao’s use their expertise and experience to “steer” borrowers to lenders that they have screened for low or no fees, low interest rates, decent approval rates, good service and ease of administration.

Given the implications for the college, eg high default rates, low graduation rates, low alumni fundraising it would be irresponsible to do otherwise.

BTW, we waited three years for a 3% cola. I can’t wait for my stock options and porsche. Believe me, you don’t apply for a financial aid officer position if greed is your main motivator. And you don’t screw up your own office. You could work at the school long enough to be there when the bad loans and drop outs come home to roost.

Bob, at 2:36 pm EDT on April 12, 2007

I did not realize how dependant we’ve become as a society...and it’s very sad. Maybe I’m the exception, but I made a decision on my own regarding my student loans. I attended a Financial Aid Night, packed with those “nasty” lenders, as a Senior in High School and then met with my “corrupted” student loan counselor later that spring. I still somehow managed to make an educated decision and picked a lender. Did I sell myself short during this process? Should I have expected a parade for my ability to use free will and fill out a FAFSA with my parents?

I’m about to enter the “real world” and am leaning toward a postion that makes the current student loan environment close to my heart. It scares me to death that adults like yourselves have gone to such lengths to display your lack of independence.

It’s true, everything I needed to know I learned in kindergarten.

1)If you don’t think someone is playing nice...don’t play with them. No one at any time sat me on a mat next to an individual and declared that this person will be my friend because his parents paid the principal to make it happen and the principal instructed the teacher of how things are going to work for the time being, or until the contract with the parents has completed.

2)If someone offers you something, always say, “please,” and, “thank you.” No other obligations are necesary at that time. I don’t remember, but I think it’s safe to assume that when I received my first milk at school, I was not obligated to only drink said milk my entire time at school, nor was said milk receiving any type of unfair promotion in the sand box.

3) I’m somebody special. I’m an individual who over time will learn to think, speak, and read independant of the environment around me.

I know this entry is laced with sarcasm, and I hope some of you found humor in the simplicity of my explainations. My point, directed to Cuomo, Kennedy, and my soon to be peers, pure and simple is this:

“We’re all adults capable of making important decisions. We can either lead, follow, or get out of the way, but we must accept the fact that our actions are our own.”

-anonymous

Thank you for your time,

A future colleague

Student — Peer, The Students Weigh In, at 2:42 pm EDT on April 12, 2007

A STUDENT’S OPINION

As a student, paying 6%+ interest on my student loans, I am not happy to know that from this interest, financial aid officers are enjoying elaborate dinners at Ruth Chris. I am not happy that my choices are made for me because the college STRONGLY pushes you towards the “preferred lender list", which is comprised of lender rep’s that are the financial aid Director’s best friends. It’s about time all this comes to the surface.

Peggy, I’m a student... at ALL OF FLORIDA, at 6:56 pm EDT on April 12, 2007

STUDENT WEIGHS IN

As a student, I am going to college to become a Vet Tech, not to become Master of the FAFSA. I expect my financial aid office to hand me the paperwork, and provide FAIRNESS. Obviously every one on this discussion board works in the financial aid industry. If all of these “freebies” weren’t offered to the colleges, then maybe my interest wouldn’t be so high!

STUDENT, STUDENT WEIGHS IN, at 6:56 pm EDT on April 12, 2007

Peggy and Student,

The interest rates are capped by law, and you will see extremely small variations, if any, from one lender to the next. For students borrowing $10,000, even a one percent difference in the interest rate makes a difference of less than $5 per month when you’re repaying your loan, and you’re very unlikely to find a fluctuation of interest rates as high as one percent. They’re all selling, essentially, the exact same loan. As a result, the lenders an ethical aid administrator will recommend are usually based on their record of service. And as egregious as some of the conflicts of interest we’ve seen have been, there is still no evidence that the loans those isolated individuals recommended to their students were inferior loan products.

You have every right to go to your Financial Aid Office and ask questions, ask hard questions. But make no accusations without facts. It is unfair to assume that because you’ve heard a few stories that all financial aid professionals are on the take.

DS, at 9:53 am EDT on April 13, 2007

A point of clarification on an prior comment — interest rates on federal student loans are established by Congress and interest rates on private loans are set by individual lenders.

Mostly I just wanted to echo the comment from the student who urged others to accept personal responsibility for their choices. Do your homework — and research. If your education is important to you — then you should know exactly how you’re paying for it.

Adults are expected to make a lot of financial choices — the best ones are the informed ones.

Former Student, at 11:15 am EDT on April 13, 2007

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