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April 18, 2007

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Cho Seung-Hui, the senior Virginia Tech English major who apparently killed 32 people on campus Monday before turning the gun on himself , seems to have fancied himself a writer. Albeit one with grotesque tastes: AOL’s blog published two of his short plays Tuesday, one of which, “Mr. Brownstone,” features characters who fantasize about killing a teacher and "watch[ing] him bleed." The second, “Richard McBeef” discusses pedophilia and concludes with a stepfather killing a 13-year-old boy soon after the boy’s attempt to forcibly stuff a banana cereal bar down the stepfather’s throat.

The tenor of Cho’s writings apparently did not go unnoticed. Ian MacFarlane, a former classmate who provided the plays to AOL, told the publication that Cho’s plays were “like something out of a nightmare. The plays had really twisted, macabre violence that used weapons I wouldn't have even thought of.”

“[W]e students were talking to each other with serious worry about whether he could be a school shooter. I was even thinking of scenarios of what I would do in case he did come in with a gun, I was that freaked out about him,” McFarlane told AOL.

Nor did the creative writing faculty at Virginia Tech apparently fail to read between’s Cho’s typed lines. The Washington Post reported Tuesday that Lucinda Roy, co-director of Virginia Tech’s creative writing program, had warned university police and officials about Cho. While Virginia Tech officials were sympathetic, the Post reported, they said there was little they could do in absence of a direct threat. "I don't want to be accusatory, or blaming other people," the Post reported Roy as saying. "I do just want to say, though, it's such a shame if people don't listen very carefully, and if the law constricts them so that they can't do what is best for the student."

The new developments raise uncomfortable questions for creative writing faculty everywhere who, by nature of the craft they teach, almost inevitably end up with periodic glimpses into the destructive – or, as is more often the case, self-destructive -- attitudes that their students may hold. How to walk the fine line, to encourage expression and, in one creative writing instructor's words, “grant” students the privilege of writing, well, fiction, while of course looking out for the student, and his or her peers’, best interests?

“This is just a grotesque and terrible tragedy, but it’s a liability in teaching the arts that students in arts programs don’t always have the same boundaries that many other people have in their personal lives and in their imagined lives,” says David Fenza, executive director of the Association of Writers & Writing Programs. “It’s not an uncommon occurrence to have someone who’s got a little bit of psychiatric trouble. Oftentimes, people that need to work something out for themselves gravitate toward the arts; they need a medium in which they can recognize and work out their own problems.”

“Most teachers don’t see it as their jobs to try to cure people with psychiatric problems,” Fenza continues. “But I’d say just about anyone who has been teaching for very long knows it’s very important to refer those students to someone who is a professional in that arena.” Referrals to the psychological health center on campus, Fenza says, are standard protocol in such a case.

“It has come up a number of times for me, as a fiction writer and a teacher of fiction workshops. It’s really tricky,” says Sharon Oard Warner, director of creative writing at the University of New Mexico. “You don’t know exactly whether there’s a basis in fact in what they’re writing about. But if they’re writing something that’s excessively violent, excessively sexual, excessively morbid, I usually do speak with them individually about it.” In a couple of cases over the years, she subsequently suggested counseling to students.

Warner points out however that violent writing can often be the mark of a novice writer seeking clean endings -- the violence a signal of lack of skill more so than a dangerous intent toward the self or others. In fact, she once wrote an article about her finding that about a third of beginning fiction students will kill off their main character at the end of the story, very often by suicide. "I thought, 'Good grief, what a violent group of students,'" Warner says. "They weren't really."

Beginning writing students, Warner says, typically need boundaries – and so she offers undergraduates a number of ground rules. Among them: “Don’t kill off more than one character per semester.” She justifies the limitations by telling students that they are writing for a captive audience of their peers, not just themselves, and that a young woman in the class, for instance, “may not want to read about a serial murderer who is hacking up a group of women.” Warner does note, however, that imposing such limitations can be tricky, recalling how a middle school teacher she knew received angry calls from parents charging censorship after telling students they couldn’t write about stabbings and murders anymore. That happened, Warner says, during the O.J. Simpson trial.

Which brings up another reality: “We live in such a violent culture,” Fenza says. “If you write about inner city life today, if you write about global politics today in a comprehensive or meaningful way, violence is going to enter into it.... How do you discern between a violent world as it’s portrayed realistically in a work of fiction or poetry for that matter and the expression of someone who may be imbalanced and gravitating toward a violent act?”

“It’s such a hard thing to do.”

Kate Gadbow, director of the creative writing program at the University of Montana, says that, for her, the answer lies in the distance students maintain between themselves and their subject matters. “In a writing classroom, we grant our students fiction. We don’t say, ‘Because they write about a sociopathic murder they have had these fantasies or that they are intending to do something like that themselves.'”

However, she says, if students can’t clearly delineate between their artistic work and their own lives in a workshop or classroom discussion, that’s cause to worry. “If you realize as a teacher that there isn’t any artistic distance, that they are not open to criticism, they’re not open to discussion, they’re not open to changing for artistic purposes, you realize you’ve touched a sensitive area,” Gadbow says.

“It is very difficult,” she adds. "What you're trying to create in a creative writing class is a safe place for imagination and for the playing out of fantasy as well as reality."

“Exploration of the human psyche is what we’re doing."

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Comments on When Creative Writing Provides a Clue

  • More than writing provides clues
  • Posted by Marie , Administrative Secretary on April 18, 2007 at 7:45am EDT
  • As a high school art instructor in a private school, I first identified a "life risk" student - dark, deathly, violent artwork from a seemingly wonderful, intelligent young man. Fortunately, my boss and principal listened to my concerns, we met with the parents - and the student himself - and formed an immediate plan to get the student into serious counseling. My situation, however, was very different - the school at which I taught only had 250 students...I could not imagine dealing with 23,000 students.

  • Creative Writing
  • Posted by Joseph Duemer , Professor at Clarkson University on April 18, 2007 at 7:55am EDT
  • I teach creative writing & I have once or twice read student work that seemed to lack aesthetic distance when dealing with violent acts. In those cases, I worked with the students in private & both revise their stories. In one case, I received a story in a final portfolio that really bothered me, but by the time I read it, the class was effectively over. I struggled about what to do & finally did nothing. The writer seemed -- as far as I could tell -- well integrated socially. I concluded that the student -- a skillful writer -- was "showing off," doing a set piece" of sexual violence of the sort one might find in popular films. But it chills me to think about what I would have done had I had Cho Seung-Hui in class.

    One of the things you do when you teach the arts is encourage students to take aesthetic (& thus emotional) risks -- to extend themselves. Sometimes this involves the sort of self-revelation that makes an instructor -- to say nothing of fellow students -- uncomfortable. But that freedom to explore is a fundamental part of the project; without it, we might as well not teach the arts. Obviously, in a tiny number of cases, the self-revelation is evidence of an underlying pathology that may express itself violently. Statistically, a vanishingly small number of writing students will fall into this category. I hope we creative writing teachers won't now be rushing any student who writes a violent scene off to the counseling center.

  • Understanding Creative Writing Clues
  • Posted by Jerry Pattengale , AVP for Scholarship & Grants at Indiana Wesleyan University on April 18, 2007 at 8:10am EDT
  • Dear Elizabeth,
    This article is rather helpful for someone trained in a different discipline, ancient history. And, it also reveals the earnest efforts of Doug, Scott and the Inside team to be immediately relevant to key issues. This online medium is proving rather effective. Your reflection on Kate Gadbow's notion of "artistic distance" is a brilliant and timely piece of advice. In fact, it seems to provide an avenue in which to outline a caution for those of us not officially educated in such matters. Perhaps like many educators, my teaching and administrative duties have often placed creative writing assignments before me, whether in a first-year seminar or a writing-across-the-curriculum program. This winter I found Lisa Zunshine's work helpful, "Why We Read Fiction: Theory of Mind and the Novel" (Ohio University Press, 2006). Although I had no Cho Seung-Hui in mind, I had found on various occasions that creative writing exercises revealed a tremendous amount about my students, and sometimes I found myself trying to ascertain what was actually true. About Zunshine's work I write elsewhere that her research sheds light on readers' "enduring preoccupation with the thorny issue of the 'truth' of literary narrative and the distinction between 'theory' and 'fiction.' And, that fiction "enables us to pattern our thoughts in 'newly nuanced' ways, allowing for new application of learning to our lives." (Brief Guide to Objective Inquiry, '07).When the learning, such as in Cho's case, has warped application it becomes more than a private matter, or even a student-professor matter. It still isn't clear, however, what FERPA allows in the way of sharing homework stories, but your advice, common sense, and communal safety seem to be tied to a trump power over privacy. If you, or the editors, could post some helps for approaching this clue of artistic difference, it would likely prove helpful. I can only imagine that a melange of seminars and articles will surface on tips or guides to help those of us non-creative writing teachers to become better informed on such matters. Again, this very article, generated hours after the horrific events at Virginia Tech, is a testimony this online journal format. Thanks for your timely and informative article, I'm sharing it with our campus. JP

  • Virginia Tech
  • Posted by Dr. K on April 18, 2007 at 10:01am EDT
  • Myheart goes out to all those families especially the family whose son committed the acts of violence. I wonder if FERPS prevented the school from contacting his family? Does anyone know?

  • Posted by MB on April 18, 2007 at 10:01am EDT
  • Ironically, directors like Quentin Tarantino also produce material that is excessively violent and disturbing. Somehow we consider him okay.

  • Miss O'Connor, about your stories...
  • Posted by David Matthew PhD on April 18, 2007 at 10:15am EDT
  • This is a complex issue, to be sure, and I do not want to belittle it. Yet some of our finest young writers have used violence in their narratives. I can only imagine what the great Flannery O'Connor, a young "misfit" if there ever was one, might have said to a writing instructor who reported her to the police and the counseling center...

  • Posted by Mathew on April 18, 2007 at 10:41am EDT
  • My heart goes out to the the Virginia Tech community, particularly the professors. I just want to pick up on Marie's comment about identifying and offering help to troubled students. It would be wrong of me to make generalizations or to second guess any one's actions. Based on my experience, however, I would like to add that while those of us in higher education are specialists in our subject matter, we are not always adequately trained to identify troubled studnets and deal with the social, emotional, cultural, and economic stresses under which they labor. Even in situations where our commonsense and untrained eyes enable us to spot disturbed minds, we are unsure what to do for them other than refer them to counseling. I wonder, especially at a time such as this, whether we as professors might want to focus more on our own professional preparation to deal with our students more efectively, especially those students from backgrounds that are different from ours.

  • Mental Health v Creative Writing
  • Posted by William Sumner Scott, J.D. on April 18, 2007 at 11:05am EDT
  • Unreal to expect college professors in any discipline other than mental health to be held accountable for recognition of troubled students.

    Better to teach parents and young adults how to recognized abnormal thought process and behavior early to seek treatment to prevent adverse action.

    Mental health should be a fitness component to the same extent as all others.

    William Sumner Scott, J.D.

    Judicial Equality Foundation, Inc.

    wss@jefound.org

  • FERPA
  • Posted by Red Stater on April 18, 2007 at 11:31am EDT
  • Dr. K,

    "I wonder if FERPS prevented the school from contacting his family?"

    I listened to the news conference by the VT police this morning. The answer is that FERPA or a similar law does prevent U's from contacting the parents. Amazing, we've gone overboard in our privacy rights.

  • We Have Met The Scorpion ... And It Is Us!
  • Posted by RWH on April 18, 2007 at 12:25pm EDT
  • I’m not trying to start a debate – I promise – and I truly appreciate the work and thoughts of all those quoted in this article ... and I am definitely not an expert in this field. I would, however, like to comment on – and perhaps misinterpret -- the statement by [David] Fenza; to wit, “We live in such a violent culture ...”

    I cannot deny the truth of his statement; nevertheless, this – anger, hatred, hostility, violence, disregard for life – is much, much broader than a matter of cultural concern ... and I’m afraid that our trying to address the issue from that perspective will be fruitless. This is a matter of us, the species homo sapiens, exhibiting behavior central to our nature ... like the tale of the scorpion and the fox. And it is nothing new.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpion_(Voyager_episode)

    In “The God Delusion” Richard Dawkins writes “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

    I happen to agree, and I’m astounded that we are inclined to worship that guy!

    The Greek tragedies are replete with massacres of innocent victims.

    The New Testament, of course, begins with King Herod the Great ordering the massacre of all young male children in and around the village of Bethlehem (often estimated to be between 14,000 and 64,000 youngsters) ... and for strictly political reasons.

    Shakespeare’s Titus Andronicus is incredibly violent with deaths as gruesome as you could possibly imagine. Nineteen individuals are murdered in Hamlet.

    http://www.insidehighered.com/views/2007/04/11/mclemee

    I’m quite certain I don’t have to mention Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and a whole host of grotesque ethnic cleansers, some of whom are very effectively practicing today, even with the tacit “approval” of us ... the U.S.

    http://www.sangam.org/articles/view2/?uid=985&PHPSESSID=9f74941dc78d2c31703b935881813518

    And you know what ... I haven’t even come close to touching the very top of the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

    There are differences, of course, but the similarities between Cho Seung-Hui’s massacre of 32 innocent individuals at Virginia Tech and Saddam Hussein’s murder of 180,000 Kurds in Northern Iraq in 1988 far outweigh the differences. For the most part, it was all a matter of opportunity and resources.

    Even more to the point Tobe Hooper’s “Texas Chainsaw Massacre” series, Oliver Stone’s “Natural Born Killers,” and Quentin Tarantino’s “Kill Bill I & II” were – and continue to be – hugely successful in this country. Tarantino is quoted as saying about Kill Bill I that he tried to keep track of the number of deaths – all violent – but he lost count. [By the way, I actually enjoyed the Stone and Tarantino flicks.]

    It is easy to call the Virginia Tech tragedy an isolated incident. It is not. It is Saddam Hussein all over again, albeit on a much, much smaller scale. It is easy to say it is a consequence of cultural circumstance. It is not. This is who we are ... and you only have to go to your local movie theater or tune into HBO or Showtime to recognize that we love it.

  • A primary distinction
  • Posted by Andy Shupala, EdD, MA, MSW on April 18, 2007 at 12:26pm EDT
  • The article cites a primary distinction made by Kate Gadbow: making first the distinction between student art and student artists.

    Schools wanting to teach art shouldn't confuse normality, or expressions of social and political appropriateness, with aesthetic criteria.

    A key question is whether or not schools want to teach art to student artists who exhibit behavior that's abnormal or socially and politically inappropriate.

    For schools willing to tolerate student eccentricity and originality, another question is, what types and to what degree would such behavior be tolerated?

  • Appropriate?
  • Posted by Joseph Duemer , Professor at Clarkson University on April 18, 2007 at 2:31pm EDT
  • Andy, a whole lot of great art deals with things that are socially and politically inappropriate. That is the great power of the arts. Socially inappropriate behavior, on the other hand . . .

  • Spotting troubled students
  • Posted by Mathew on April 18, 2007 at 2:55pm EDT
  • In response to Scoatt, J.D.'s comment, above, I would still say that all teachers at all levels should have minimal training in educational psychology, which includes some understanding of abnormnal mental processes. To be an effective teacher, one should know one's subject and understand one's students. I agree that teachers cannot be held accountable, in a legal sense, for incidents like this. I am referring to something more basic than legal liability, such as being perceptive observers and good mentors. Most parents, regardless of the level of their education, know when something is wrong with their children. So should the teachers, all teachers, who see their students on a regular basis, in the context of teaching, be able to identify abnormal behaviors.

  • Social Behaviors as distinct from Creative Writing
  • Posted by Advisor on April 18, 2007 at 4:31pm EDT
  • In reading *******s of what disturbed other students and faculty about the shooter, it strikes me that creative writing was the least of his problems.

    The constant use of sun-glasses, the lack of response to questions, the taking photos of others in class, the name signed as a question mark--all these behaviors signal a deep disconnection from both self and others. The photography in class without the consent of others is perhaps the most disturbing. This implies his objectification of peers, and a basic a lack of respect for other peoples' boundaries.

    At the school where I teach and advise undergraduates, there are mandatory counselling leaves. If the college deems it necessary for a student to be placed on such a leave, then the student must agree to take time off and get help in the form of counselling. The counsellor who treats the student can be of the student's choice, but must sign paperwork indicating that the student is mentally fit to return to full-time studies. Counsellors who work for the school must also evaluate the student and determine that they are fit to return.

    In my experience, students benefit tremendously from counselling leaves, and often return as changed people: academically, socially, emotionally, and otherwise. Of course, long-term problems do tend to persist, as they do in all walks of life. No one is "cured" in a year, but people do get better.

    Stigmas against counselling and psychiatric treatment still prevail, however, and many students (perhaps especially students from countries where such stigmas are even stronger) resist counselling. I think discussing and dismantling these barriers should become a focal point in freshmen orientations across America.

    What's worse: a year off and some serious self-analysis, or this sort of suppressed anger and alienation that spreads and grows until it explodes? I can't believe that despite all of the warnings and urging on the part of the Virginia Tech English department, someone did not exercise their judgement and finally demand that this student take a counselling leave or leave the college. It's mind-blowing.

  • RE: Appropriate?
  • Posted by Andy Shupala, EdD, MA, MSW on April 18, 2007 at 4:31pm EDT
  • Yes, thank you: I used the word intentionally. "Appropriate" is overused and misused--even in academia. Before it's relied upon to determine curriculum or construct policy/procedure (and it certainly is often enough), its definition should be part of the discussion.

  • TV and Movies
  • Posted by Chris on April 18, 2007 at 4:31pm EDT
  • If commercials are worth a million dollars a minute to influence purchases, what is the value of 45 minutes of violence.

  • Violence in Student Writing
  • Posted by Betty Robbins, Ph.D. at University of Oklahoma on April 18, 2007 at 5:26pm EDT
  • I teach a course titled "Violence in American Cinema," which looks at codes, formulas, gender issues and styles of violence in various film genres. Students in the course may opt to write a screenplay in lieu of two required papers. What determines the nature of the violence in their scripts for me is whether the film narratives critique violence--make a social comment on violence, that is--and whether the violence leads to suffering for the perpetrator, which, invariably it does.

  • Accountability--Get a Clue
  • Posted by Dr. C , Behaviorist on April 18, 2007 at 5:26pm EDT
  • While we debate whether to allow students the academic freedom we so valiantly argue for we miss the point. It is not about this individual or a group of people dropping the ball and missing signs of whether or not they should have done something, they did what they could within the frame of their profession. They were not professionally trained therapists and should not harbor responsibility for predicting the outcome of this disturbed person. And making note of his student violent writing is above and beyond what many would have done in a similar situation. The point is this; they or anyone else for that matter can not predict psychopathic behavior. Universities can not prohibit or even write administrative codes prohibiting an individual's thoughts or actions. Ultimately, the decision to kill is a choice. Crazy or not, Cho made a choice on Monday and he acted. The fact that his writings were disturbing may be an indicator but I doubt that they were the only one. Do we need to take pot shots at the Student Life staff because his RA was not involved enough to know he was a danger? Or better yet, how about his faculty advisor? Shouldn’t that person have been more responsible? Let’s face it. This was a terrible tragedy and we are focused on the wrong emphasis. We focus on numbers, blame, limiting classes, destroying FERPA. Screw that stuff what we really need to thinking of is how terrible survivors, families and those who knew the assailant feel. Also-try to remember how our fellow academicians feel who are now taking on all this extra guilt for a massacre (they did not commit) because people like this discussion group are making them accountable.

  • Posted by Elisa on April 18, 2007 at 5:26pm EDT
  • As previous posters have dicussed, any dark or disturbing materials for writing assignments and projects had to be reported in my county high school system. As a student I didn't think much of it. Now I understand why it's there.
    As for FERP, it also extends after the student's death, so the family will never see the child(ren)'s academic records.

  • Identifying Students at Risk
  • Posted by J Stokes-Brown , Dance Educator on April 18, 2007 at 7:11pm EDT
  • This is a violent...focus on the negative society that we live in. As educators it is our duty to be scholars in our fields and make it our business to get to know our students and not be so self absorbed that we don't take the time to notice students that may be at risk. If you are an educator and don't feel qualified to identify troubling behavior that may be expressed in many ways....then take the time and invest in a workshop or course of continuing education to step up your game...become pro-active. You hold a valuable position in this society as an educator. We have the power to make or break a student...that is an awesome responsibility.

    I commend Dr. Roy for her insight and integrity.

    An Urban Middle School Dance Educator
    (Formally a University Professor)

  • Shoot in self defense first, placate the media later
  • Posted by John C. Bonnell , Professor of English at Macomb Comm. College on April 19, 2007 at 4:15am EDT
  • Some of the discussion here reminds me of Jean Paul Sartre's reaction to his country's "intellectuals" after 1940, intellectuals who felt it necessary to "understand" Nazism rather than to resist it with every bullet they might muster. While we work on trying to define "abnormality" (personally, my mission in life is to invite students to become quite "abnormal," which is what happens when they take the Socratic dictum seriously, the dictum to lead the examined life), and then to identify "abnormal" students, we might seriously consider arming students and teachers--at least the ones who would rather shoot a madman than helplessly watch while they or their fellow teachers and students get slaughtered before their eyes. Laws against arms on campus only empower killers,
    killers who are doubtless grateful for the space granted their devastating intent.

  • FERPA misunderstandings
  • Posted by Jeff , FERPA on April 19, 2007 at 4:15am EDT
  • I'm not sure why the family of a high school student would not receive the results of a student's records, as the parents of a minor, and not the minor him/herself, can review those records. You can find more information at http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/fpco/ferpa/index.html And also, I believe that the legal "right of privacy" ends with one's death.

  • specifics needed on FERPA and privacy
  • Posted by Larry on April 19, 2007 at 10:05am EDT
  • Jeff, I cannot overstate how important it is, in legal matters to refer to precisely the authority that you are relying upon. In this case, it means statutes or regulations that have the force of law. These are weighty issues that can’t be resolved with vague references to websites. The commentators here are proposing some rather radical ideas, namely that students should be isolated and punished for acting different (yet not illegally). Forcing a student into counseling or off campus is a form of punishment since 1) the student is made to do something he doesn’t want to do; and 2) it will be a black mark against him for the rest of his life, destroying many career prospects.

    Finally, as a general matter, the “right of privacy” is a term that has a few definitions. In the constitutional context, it refers to the group of rights that are encompassed (or implicated) by the 1st, 4th, 5th,a 9th and 14th amendments. Since dead people don’t speak and can’t incriminate themselves, the constitutional right to privacy is somewhat attenuated for dead people. (The issue of “4th amendment” searches of dead people is somewhat nuanced, but I will set that aside.) On other by statute, states and the federal government can and do extend statutory or common law privacy protections to dead people, and their estates.

    So, if you want to talk FERPA, provide the sections you are referring to.

  • FERPA as gumby toy
  • Posted by John C. Bonnell , Professor of English at Macomb Comm. College on April 19, 2007 at 12:10pm EDT
  • As far as I have been able to determine, no college has ever been punished by the federal government for real or imagined violations of FERPA. Moreover, no student nor any parent of any student has ever succeeded in a suit against any college for any alleged violation of FERPA, though some have tried. It is the role of the Depatment of Education, I have been advised, to assist colleges in compliance, not to punish them when they fail. Colleges, then, can often do as they please, pleading immune-worthy ignorance if caught off base. At my own college, FERPA is used as a dodge to suppress public discussion of student efforts to practice censorship, efforts eagerly supported by administrators. "My" college claims that documents without names (and with no easily traceable identity elements) are as sacrosanct as students themselves. It does this in blatant contravention of what FERPA prescribes, knowing that its maverick distortion of the words "privacy" and "confidentiality" will find copious support in the judiciary.

  • Posted by Larry on April 19, 2007 at 1:26pm EDT
  • Mr. Bonnell, FERPA, by its own terms is not privately enforceable, and the Supreme Court has so held. See, Gonzaga University v. Doe ( http://laws.findlaw.com/us/000/01-679.html ) (“In sum, if Congress wishes to create new rights enforceable under §1983, it must do so in clear and unambiguous terms--no less and no more than what is required for Congress to create new rights enforceable under an implied private right of action.”). This doesn’t mean that schools do not abide by it. In fact, in many areas, the mere threat of action, is enough to get people to comply. This is true in many areas of the law, and, depending on your perspective, it works quite well. Placing the executive branch in a position to “punish” schools might not achieve FERPA’s goals, because schools would have every incentive to avoid responsibility rather than fix any existing problems.

    That said, students do have state-law remedies available to them (e.g. tort suits) for disclosure of private facts.

    That said, I have argued that the only way to keep counseling records truly secret is to impose strict liability on counselors (and their employers) for any disclosure, based on a flat amount per disclosure (e.g. $10,000). This can (and should) be done as a matter of state law. Perhaps an exception could be made for “privileged” disclose to the police for IMMEDIATE AND FUTURE VIOLENT CRIMES, but the state would have to indemnify the counselor, in writing, for such disclosures, and such indemnification would have to be filed in advance to be valid.

  • Posted by Jeff , Uh, Really? on April 22, 2007 at 7:00am EDT
  • Larry, while I would like to appreciate your attention to detail, the website to which I refer is the official website maintained by the U.S. Government (as noted by the .gov domain), and therefore, I consider it to be authoritative on the matter of the law which it has been designed to reflect.

  • violation of FERPA
  • Posted by Lynda on April 24, 2007 at 3:05pm EDT
  • I agree that FERPA has been used as a means of protecting the guilty and keeping help from those who need it most. In the name of Civil Liberties we cannot use student work, given freely and anonymously for research. We are also not allowed to notify student services that a student has a learning problem and don't even touch the subject of reporting Plagarism!! As an educator I feel once again our hands are tied. As a parent, paying for my children's education, I am appalled that I would not be notified if they were in danger through drug, alcohol or other forms of abuse. Do the writers of this law have to teach or parent under its restrictions?

  • Born ``Mute", Suffering, and Creative Writing
  • Posted by sunatinsidehighered on May 1, 2007 at 7:20am EDT
  • One: It seems to be the case that:

    1. Cho was born with certain genetic defects -- ``extremely shy" may be a crude casual description.

    ( I would like to assume that the blood samples have been taken for analyses. It may be learned sometime how the puberty -- individuality and independence begin to shape -- physiologically massive running of new hormones -- makes the individual's ability to express himself worse.)

    2. Cho's are bullied in schools to devastating extents.

    (It may be learned sometime which hormones -- overabundance or lack of -- operate under such insults and how they cause more fear, withdrawl, frustration, and despair; And, may be fantacized desire that loses contact with the reality. Given the genetic condition.)

    3. The ``mental deaths" Cho's experience by the bullies in schools are not considered serious assaults.

    4. There are many commercial products -- movies, books, ... -- that are violent in nature, and the abundant supply indicates an abundant demand by the consumers, and it is very likely that the consumers satisfy whatever the innate needs through the INDIRECT means. Then, there are producers of the products who are called artists.

    Cho seems to have indulged himself in online computer games in high school -- particularly in Counterstrike.

    5. Creative writings reflect human experiences -- literal and imagined. If we look at aliens in movies, they are so uncreative and limited. Fantastic creations seem to be intelligent reflection of human experiences of the reality of nature. Defective genes are also a part of the nature.

    Two: These are what I have been wondering reading about and watching Cho's writings (poetry and plays, and video of himself and ``manifesto" sent to NBC, ).

    1. Is it possible that the violent games resonanted with his innate needs or his perception of life? (If so, it would have been a great means of indirect experience.)

    2. Is it possible that he wanted to be a writer?

    3. Is it possible that he knew only those he played online and he read in classes and plagiarize them?

    4. Do the vulgar languages reflect that he wasn't mature in expressions, which may be symptomatic of the chain of events originally derived from the genetic condition and vulgar society (bullying)?

    5. Is it possible that the video, pictures, and writings sent to NBC was a project he was proving to himself that he could complete?

    6. Is it possible that the best counseling would have been to help him to make the low form of violence into something like art? A process of polishing the raw rage in a plagiarized plot into something like delicate weaving of story telling? Cho might have learned the pleasure of artistic controlling of the story and so himself?

    7. I can not help wondering, ``How did he get into the college?" What was his essay like? Given what I read about him, it seems that it is impossible for him to have written a reasonable essay.

    Is it possible that his sister who is said to have been attending Princeton University at that time wrote the essay for him?

    Then what did the high school teachers write about him? Did they write that he was extremely isolated? He might need extra help and care? How did he do in high school? Don't they have to write numerous essays and reports? Including creative writings? How were they? Were they fine? Or, scare the teachers out of their wits?

    If he was fine enough to get into the college, what happend in the college? His physiology turned suddenly worse? His immaturity made him overwhelmed by the life by himself? If he could write all right in high school, what happened to it in college?

    8. Is it possible that he was rather innocent in an odd way? What I am saying is, ``Is it possible that he was expecting to learn how to find a girl friend in a proper way -- and so successfully some day -- when he agreed to go for counseling?" Where he seems to have experienced detention instead and never did anything that might cause another of the same experience?

    Let's recall for a brief moment that he might have been immature and let's consider the possibility that the immaturity was in conflict with other maturing parts of him as an individual such as desire for a girl friend.

    9. There are many critical inconsistencies in the story of Cho as I find them in the internet. So much so that it is difficult to decide whether it is real or not. Of course, the best would be to see the scene of the massacre.

    His writings were his expressions. I would like to know if he could have been saved through his writings. On the other hand, it is a good question where all the consistencies point to.

    10. When someone is severely bullied and there is no way out, what is more humane? To give up and commit suicide or stand up and fight? How would you know when is the point of no return? So that you can abort the person from the society? So that not to be killed in their suicide extravaganza? Is that what you are trying to find in critical writings of college students? Should students be afraid what to write and what not to? Not to go behind the bar and get tortured by chemicals at the pleasure of pseudo doctors and nurses? Wouldn't it be a stark violation of the First Amendment? Should professors of critical writings be certified if they are qualified for precise assessment of whether a student should be turned over to the police or not?

    11. When ``help" is discussed in Congress, it seems to be that the Congress imagines as if some magic ``help" is waiting for students. Of course, it will be useful if the help helps to help the ``loser" to feel being helped and choose to commit suicide insteading of killing others.

  • Cho and FERPA
  • Posted by BA on May 2, 2007 at 6:50pm EDT
  • Cho's parents would not have been notified or informed of anything he did because he was an adult (no matter who was paying for what). It irks me to hear college students referred to again and again as "children" (i.e., "what can parents do to protect their children?")