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July 16, 2007
As the scandals and debates over private lending have grown in recent months, conventional wisdom has held that private loans are a necessary evil. Sure, students and their families are taking on debt that is typically more expensive and more risky than federally backed loans. But as long as families feel that college costs are otherwise beyond their reach, private loans will continue to become more popular.
By most measures, they have become much more popular. College Board data released last year show that the volume of private loans taken by students has been increasing by 27 percent annually since 2000-1, to a total of $17.3 billion. A decade ago, private loans made up only about 4 percent of student loan volume; now that total is 20 percent.
But while even critics of private loans talk about their growth as inevitable, Barnard College tried to roll them back during the last academic year — with success that stunned even the college: a 73 percent reduction (more than $1 million) in private loan volume. That suggests many of those taking out the loans do not need to, and might not do so if only someone explained the issues.
And that’s what Barnard did this year. The only real change in policy the college made was to require a conversation. Before Barnard would certify to a lender that a student was enrolled, the college required students or their parents to talk to an aid counselor. If, after that conversation, the family wanted to proceed, Barnard did not stand in the way. But for many families, the talk revealed risks and options they didn’t know about.
Barnard’s policy shift took place a year ago, before the scandals of private lending captured headlines. The idea came from the financial aid office, which, it may be worth noting in light of those scandals, did not maintain a “preferred lender” lists or accept cash or gifts from lenders. Alison Rabil, director of financial aid at the private women’s college in New York, said she was looking at data on students and became worried when she saw Barnard students starting to follow the national trend of taking out more private loans.
“It’s not just debt, it’s your worst kind of debt,” said Rabil. “Once we started looking at the private borrowing, we realized we weren’t helping students to discriminate among borrowers or to really think about private borrowing. We weren’t discussing it with them.”
What Rabil describes is in fact the norm in higher education. For many institutions, the only help they have provided is a list of lenders.
Based on the view that providing a list of lenders isn’t enough, and may lead many families in the wrong direction, Rabil prepared her team to talk to students and parents. They discussed various scenarios, the kind of advice they would provide and what to do with irate parents (in the end, only one parent was angered by the required call).
When the policy started, Barnard just sent off e-mail messages whenever a request to certify a private loan came in, and the discussions were scheduled almost immediately. “Parents called in a panic and said ‘What do you mean you won’t process my loan?’, and we just say that we wanted to talk about other options and the consequences of taking out this particular loan,” Rabil said. “It was not confrontational at all. It was, ‘We’re calling because we are worried about the financial health of your family.’”
The discussions were mostly on the phone, mostly with parents, and most lasted 20 to 30 minutes, although there were also many follow-up calls. In those calls, Rabil and her staff found out what parents didn’t know about private loans and alternatives, which was a lot, even though the typical parent was college educated and a homeowner. Here’s what they found:
There were some topics that the Barnard officials avoided. They never recommended pulling dollars out of a retirement fund. And on home equity loans, while they encouraged people with home equity to consult with others about the viability of using that as a source of funds, Barnard aid officials felt that they weren’t in a position to be knowledgeable enough about housing markets or mortgage terms to make specific recommendations.
The results — in dollars and reactions — were impressive. In 2005-6, the last year before the policy, 98 Barnard students took out private loans, for a total of $1,559,385. At the beginning of the 2006-7 academic year, well over 100 students sought certification to take out private loans, but after the required discussions, only 39 students took them out, at a volume of $414,889. The results far exceeded Barnard’s goal of reducing loan volume by 20 percent. PLUS loan volume is up moderately, and students and families appear to be using a variety of ways to avoid private loans.
“I was afraid people were going to bite our heads off,” Rabil said. “But people really seemed to be appreciative of the attention we were paying to their daughters.”
Rabil stressed that the Barnard campaign is not based on the idea that all private loans are bad. There are students for whom other options don’t work. But the fact that the relatively brief counseling sessions led to such a large reduction in private loan volume suggests that they aren’t necessary for many students who have been taking them out.
The counseling sessions also helped those students who did take out private loans. In those cases, Rabil said that many students and families were on the verge of agreeing to higher interest rates than were available elsewhere, and Barnard tried to steer them to better deals. The experience raised questions, Rabil said, about the way preferred lender lists suggest that some banks are better than others. What Barnard found was that lenders were better or worse for students based on a range of individual factors. For example, in given categories of creditworthiness, the college found the best deals for students borrowing themselves at one lender, while those with co-signers were better off with another lender.
“Even for the families that need private loans, we found that they don’t understand what they are getting into, and how we can mitigate some of the consequences,” Rabil said. “It’s really important that families know what their options are.”
Barnard has not previously publicized its approach, so experts on private loans and student aid said that they hadn’t heard about it. But when it was described to them, several called the effort a significant one that other institutions should consider adopting.
“This is a very innovative idea, and I like it,” said Jamie Merisotis, president for the Institute for Higher Education Policy, which last year issued a report expressing concerns about the growth in private loans. What has happened is that “colleges and universities have been cut out of the conversation” about private loans, with students getting information, not necessarily complete, from lender marketing, he said.
Barnard is in effect forcing itself back into the conversation, Merisotis said. “Students need consultation with the people who can say whether something is a good deal,” he said.
The only concern Merisotis had about the Barnard effort was scale. Barnard had four loan counselors handle the calls, and Merisotis worried that institutions with many more students wouldn’t have the staff to take such an individual approach. He agreed, however, that larger institutions might apply the idea in group sessions.
Sandy Baum, a Skidmore College economist and senior policy analyst at the College Board, said she thought the effort pointed to questions about whether all private loans are really necessary. “We don’t know how much of the volume is discretionary,” she said. “Anything we can do to get people to cover their family contributions without more borrowing is important.”
Added Baum: “I hope other schools will try this.”
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Barnard College deserves a great deal of praise for this! It shows they really care about their work and that they are exemplary educators who are dedicated to providing the highest levels of service to their students and parent community.
Ken D., at 11:35 am EDT on July 16, 2007
with follies! Great job Barnard!!!
There are legal issues that would need to be resolved with giving any advice beyond financial aid with or without a CFP, not the least of which is whether a written contract would be required, a fee charged (for non financial aid advice of course) or whether liability insurance or some form of financial bonding is required of the “Super FAO". Is the college or the FAO/CFP liable if parents borrow a home equity loan on advice of the “Super” FAO and lose their home? What about the costs to the college for certifying the “Super FAO". Salaries might have to increase as well.
Rather then a CFP/CLU designation a “credit counselor” designation might be more practical. I know of a project like this in Georgia with some FAO’s.
However, The HMO model might be a better approach for several reasons. In addition to more thorough loan counseling, IF costs are held, federal grants are increased, and federal stafford loan limits are increased, it would go a long way towards lowering private loan borrowing.
The best way is just to require that anyone borrowing a private loan be required under the law to have their eligiblity for Stafford/PLUS be determined first. While this might seem onerous for those whose incomes might be so high that they may never qualify for need based aid, it is certainly less onerous then requiring FAO’s to be CLU’s, CFP’s or their like.
Since many schools deal with populations of students that will not qualify for private loans, requiring a “Super FAO” may be a stretch.
Blind Man, at 1:05 pm EDT on July 16, 2007
A also applaud Barnard for their approach to student debt counseling. We live in a litigious society but we should not let that color what Barnard has done here. This school has taken a common sense approach to counseling students about educational loan debts. No need for “Super Financial Aid Officer"...just ones who care enough to offer good counsel and then let students and their parents decide on how they want to fund education.
feudi pandola, at 1:20 pm EDT on July 16, 2007
But hopefully it doesn’t become a standard that all other schools are expected to follow. I was amazed to see how low their private loan volume actually is (even before they started doing this), because while it’s a relatively small school, it’s very high cost. Schools who can’t afford to come close to meeting full need and who have virtually no full-payers have little choice but to recommend private loans to students, because the families have no other resources to turn to.
I’m sure that the staff at Barnard is very careful about differentiating between their services and those of a certified financial planner, and they’re fortunate that their loan volume and cash flow afford them (and their students) the luxury of a policy such as this. I hope that schools in similar situations will consider a similar solution, but unfortunately, most simply can’t.
DS, at 2:35 pm EDT on July 16, 2007
At our campus we previously required private loan applicants to meet with a counselor to discuss their request before any certification. As is the case at Barnard, we often found that the student would either reduce the amount of their loan request or decide not to pursue the loan. In the case of dependent students, the parent often would opt to apply for a PLUS loan instead. Unfortunately, with the increasing volume of private loans and the lack of available staff to meet the need for in-person contact, it was necessary to scale back. We now require the private loan applicant complete and submit a thorough questionnaire before we will certify a private educational loan; this ensures that the borrower has done their homework and has investigated key points about the loan they are pursuing, including listing projected borrowing for upcoming award years (have them ponder the big picture). The questionnaire also lists points to consider, such as filing a FAFSA if they have not done so, and dependent student parents pursing the PLUS loan in lieu of a private loan, references web repayment calculators, etc. While the questionnaire is not the preferred level of service we’d like to provide, it is a compromise we hope helps educate our borrowers. Of course we always give them the option of meeting with a counselor to discuss their request.
B Keating, at 8:40 pm EDT on July 16, 2007
I tend to think the Barnard Office is merely doing what the public was convinced we did all along: counsel. Last time I checked most homepages tell students to contact their Financial Aid Counselor at whatever number or email. Good for Barnard!
Ann Doherty, at 11:15 pm EDT on July 16, 2007
I recently made a presentation to a statewide organization of Fianancial Aid Officers and I discussed how by showing families how to pay for college an institution can increase enrollment, improve retention and create goodwill among prospective families. An additional benefit might also be increased endowments.
While a discussion on the merits of a private loan vs a Plus loan is a start, paying for college goes much deeper. What Barnard has done has is commendable but not enough. They and other institutions could go much deeper in helping families pay for college without hiring staff or increasing gift aid. This can be accomplished by outsourcing to professionals who have a deep understanding of cash flow and appropriate planning strategies. Trained professionals can create scenarios wherein families can afford to pay for private college when they otherwise thought it impossible.
The good new is that families can pay for college without bankrupting a parent’s retirement or by starting a student off with a financial burden that will impact their lives by delaying home purchase, starting a family or prevent them from buying a home.
I am currently having discussions with other private institutions about how this can be accomplished. Hopefully others will follow the path that Barnard has and see that families are asking for this type of help.
Jack Girvan, Founder at Educational Funding Consultants, at 5:45 am EDT on July 17, 2007
After reading the multitude of articles on your sight I was amazed that either I missed or did not see the fact that when the UC and CS campuses where built in California they were intended to be an extension of free public education. Where did we go wrong. I do not believe that the government owes me much. the one thing that I do see that the government owes us all is an education. If we qualify for the institution of higher learning, then we should be able to attend. How many brilliant minds are passed over because they do not have the funds that an education at a public institution built with tax dollars and tax deductible gifts? I found myself in the undesirable position of not being able to work after a series of unfortunate events left me with a lot of titanium holding my face and spine together. I have a total of 16 screws, 1 cage, 2 plates, 2 12″ rods, and an intrathecal pump inserted under my skin ( it looks like I went to a hockey game and was hit by a puck that embedded itself in my left side) with a catheter that runs right to the L-5 and S-1 left side nerve root. The medication is Hydromorphone and Bivupicane delivered in a small amount to bathe the nerve root. this allows me to put 50% to 60% of weight on my left leg. Since physics prevents the medication from going up it does nothing for the left arm and hand. I use a cane to get around. It beats the wheel chair I was in for 2+ years. I went in circles because I can not use the left hand. That is funny , but not really. I qualified for SSI Disability. I get a whopping amount of $1225 a month. When I went to the DOR. I was told that the plan to finish school and obtain a single subject teaching credential was define. Just one thing, ” you must take out every possible type of loan since we will not pay for anything.” AS to what the DOR does is beyond my comprehension. They must do something because they get pay checks, right? I am up to $10,000 at 6 +% interest. Thanks George. If we can waist $12 billion a day on Iraq. Why can we not pay for our own populace to attend school. And to think that in the one of may immigration bills those granted “amnesty for breaking our laws” were to get free post High School Tuition? Something is definitely wrong with this country. We punish the legitimate and reward the illegitimate? I am not against immigration. My family came here in 1648 to a venture capitalist project in South Carolina, My Mother’s side came in 1846 from Ireland for a better chance. They did not have the laws that we have now, but all were legal. ANd on my family name side they fought in the revolutionary war. The Civil War. I was never to get to know my Father’s Father (nor did he) when he died from mustard gas poisoning complication asa “Dough Boy.” My Father went tot he South Pacific in WWII right our of HS. He was recalled for Korea. My cousins went to Vietnam and now their children chose to go to Iraq/ Does none of this mean anything to those who obtained 5 deferments from Vietnam or just did not bother to even show up to fly a plain the government spent $1-million to train him to fly. Perhaps if they had gone to war and saw the hell our great men and woman pay in leg, limb, and mind in war (and the families, wife’s, husbands, and children who loose loved ones) we would not have attacked a country that did not attack us. Most if not all of the Veterans that I meet from Iraq went for the college benefits. their parents could not pay for them to attend. They saw the reward as out weighing the risk. Young men and woman should not be gambling with-their life and sanity in order to obtain a college degree. After all the institutions where built and funded by tax dollars. We do not have to pay for K -12, yet. Perhaps the wealthy like it this way. Unless one is willing to go into enormous debt or join the military only their kids will get advanced educations. Look what good Harvard did for our President ?
Michael Woods McCausland, Senior Student at CSUB, at 6:40 pm EDT on August 23, 2007
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good job barnard — but be careful
I really hate to make posts like this. A school has its heart in the right place, finds a creative way to serve its students, witnesses dramatic results, everyone seems to be a winner. But an unintended consequence, if Barnard’s example is broadly adopted, would be more complexity than ever.
I commend Barnard’s administration and staff for taking this initiative on. These parents and students will benefit from these efforts for years. Imagine what similar, and even more robust, tough-love approaches might yield at other schools. Many billions of dollars in avoidable loans would never be originated.
The problem, implicit in the counsel Barnard staff gave to students and parents, is the legal and ethical limit of the financial aid function. Tellingly, Barnard staff stopped at the point of giving financial advice on using home equity, and pointedly did not tell them to tap retirement funds.
These are tasks that should be the domain of certified financial planners. I have seen more aid professionals popping up in recent years who are CFPs, and there’s certainly a home for them in the current environment. But it is wholly unfair to expect aid professionals to take on an understanding of the entire family financial spectrum in order to help families pay for college.
Unless, that is, we’re headed toward professionalization of student financial aid, and CFP becomes a requirement. Maybe this is unavoidable. Maybe the only way that education finance can proceed is with an additional level of complexity that can only be managed by looking at a family’s total financial picture.
If true, you’d better have the kinds of legal protections in place that would be afforded by professionalization and licensure.
finaidfollies, FFELP adherent, now doubting, at 9:40 am EDT on July 16, 2007