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August 22, 2007

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The College of Business at Illinois State University is taking the imperative to "dress for success" literally. Starting this fall, students majoring in marketing or business teacher education will have to watch what they wear, donning business casual attire in class -- or risk getting kicked out for the day.

Business schools offer plenty of reasons to look professional but tend to stop short of requiring a dress code, opting instead to encourage students to look sharp for interviews and meetings with recruiters. While medical schools routinely mandate personal hygiene and clothing guidelines (like these) for students in clinical facilities, and while a number of private religious institutions mandate dress standards, the step is unusual in a classroom setting at a business school.

But college officials have implemented the move, they say, with significant input from the students themselves and a good look at companies' codes of conduct. The dress code is part of a larger set of standards designed to encourage professionalism and intended to prepare students for the "real world" of business after graduation.

"I think you come in there, you say gosh, it becomes this kind of almost ... mental shift," said Tim Longfellow, the chairman of the Department of Marketing at Illinois State, which for the time being will be alone in mandating a dress code within the business college. The change was rolled out with a grace period as classes started this week, but beginning next Monday the rules will be in full force -- for both students and teachers. The one exception so far is "Introduction to Marketing Management," because non-majors can take the class.

Business casual for men generally means khakis or cotton pants with a collared button-down shirt or polo; no tie is necessary. For women, cotton pants or skirts are allowed with sweaters, polo shirts and blouses, but the guidelines (reprinted here within a blog post) add more than a few caveats:

  • For women, "Solid colors work better than bright patterns."
  • Students will also need to keep up on their dry cleaning (or ironing): "Clothing should be pressed and never wrinkled. Torn, dirty or frayed clothing is unacceptable. All seams must be finished."
  • The types of pants acceptable for men is also clearly delineated: "Slacks that are similar to Dockers and other makers of cotton or synthetic material pants, wool pants, flannel pants, and nice looking dress synthetic pants are acceptable."
  • There is a note of caution on skirts: "Dress and skirt length should be no shorter than four inches above the knee, or a length at which you can sit comfortably in public. Short, tight skirts that ride halfway up the thigh are inappropriate for the classroom." Longfellow responded to criticisms in an e-mail posted at the College Freedom blog: "I do not ever [see] us getting a ruler out to measure skirt length."
  • "Use common sense when wearing clothing that has words on it; people are easily offended or distracted by words," the guidelines note, but it's unclear how a student can wear a shirt that is both collared and bearing offensive language. However, "[c]lothing that has the Illinois State University logo is encouraged. Sports team, university, and fashion brand names on clothing are generally acceptable."
  • If your body is covered in piercings and your hair is spiked and dyed purple, business school may not be the place for you: "Do be aware that as you move into the corporate world, visible body piercing other than pierced ears and visible tattoos may not be considered appropriate by some of the firms you want to work for."
  • "Hats are not appropriate in the classroom," but "[h]ead covers that are required for religious purposes or to honor cultural tradition are allowed."

Administrators' and faculty members' arguments for the dress code are forceful. "They’re in a preprofessional environment; it’s not like a light switch gets flipped and you go from being students to a competent professional," said Amy Humphreys, assistant to the college dean for constituent relations. "You can already just feel the difference [in attitude] between the kids who just come shuffling in with iPods and flip-flops, and then students who come in dressed for success."

Students, who found out about the changes in a letter over the summer, are somewhat split on the issue. Chrystal Caban, a senior who is president of the college's American Marketing Association chapter, said she normally has worn sweatpants and a T-shirt to class, "and I've always considered myself a good student." She conceded that she doesn't feel strongly either way and can see the merits of both sides.

But Rob Duerr, a junior who is president of the Collegiate Entrepreneurs' Organization (CEO), implied that students who have trouble with the policy are acting out of laziness. He said there was also an added benefit for outside visitors to the college, such as recruiters, who "come and they see everyone dressed up and they get a better impression of what’s going on."

The dress code grew from a larger effort to adopt wide-ranging standards of professional behavior and ethical conduct, which urge students (and professors) to "[d]ress appropriately, avoiding clothing that is revealing, provocative, or includes offensive language or visuals." Norris Porter, assistant to the dean for student services, said the standards came about after the major business scandals earlier this decade and the financial decline in the wake of September 11. Colleges felt pressure from corporations, he said, which wanted to know how students were being prepared for the moral responsibilities awaiting them after graduation.

"In light of that, the college took the perspective that most corporations have these standards or codes of conduct or 'how we do business' statements, and we decided we’d do our own," Porter said.

Before being taken department-wide, the dress code was first required in individual marketing classes starting in 2003. Last fall, all courses in the professional sales sequence followed suit (as some other similar tracks have done within other schools, Longfellow said). "Inputs from students and faculty alike have been extremely positive," the guidelines state. "All have indicated that the professionalism exhibited in the class led to a better learning environment, students being better prepared for class, and students being more respectful of one another."

Once the grace period this week is over, professors can theoretically ask students they consider to be in violation of the guidelines to leave the room, meaning they could lose credit for any work that day. Longfellow emphasized that there would be an appeals process and that students can speak with their professors if there is a misunderstanding, but said the department was still deciding whether a repeat offender could eventually be removed from his or her major. Caban suggested that some professors might enforce the policy more leniently than others, a possibility that might cause some students to choose their classes more strategically.

Other criticisms came from online, where the College Freedom blog suggested that the policy would disproportionately affect poorer students: "Buying business casual clothing may force already impoverished students to go into debt." Longfellow said he hasn't heard any complaints yet. "The thing is, you can look very nicely in business casual and not really spend a lot of money either," he said -- less than what it costs to buy designer jeans, he added.

Illinois State's status as a public university presents another potential complication, although Longfellow said the policy passed muster with the legal team. Since students apply specifically to the program within the university, there wasn't an issue of stifling expression, he said.

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  • College of Business at Illinois State University
  • Posted by Dr. Arthur Ide on August 22, 2007 at 7:10am EDT
  • I applaud the College of Business at Illinois State University and their decision to enforce a dress code. It is the best news I have read in a long time.

    If everyone looks as if he or she climbed out of bed and went to class, the entire concept of advancing oneself intellectually and personally is gone. We have gone too far in casualness, although it was originally seen as a way to express the self. Unfortunately, carried to extremes with both genders dressed in blue jeans, we have become the opposite--we all look like cookie cutter images on par with the mandatory uniforms of parochial schools and totalitarian regimes. The uniqueness that was desired has been subordinated by the lack of fashion or individual pride.

    I wish I taught at Illinois State University. The College of Business at Illinois State University gives new hope to a decaying infrastructure.

  • Kudos
  • Posted by C.Magee on August 22, 2007 at 9:05am EDT
  • How you dress, in the business world or any other, gives off an impression to everyone you interact with. Students wanting to go into a given profession should act like it. Save the t-shirts and flip flops during the summer.

  • Posted by Elizabeth Fortune on August 22, 2007 at 9:05am EDT
  • This casual culture has certainly rubbed on University staff. I had to send a secretary home the other day to change clothes after she wore a skimpy revealing top with a mini-skirt. She still thinks I over-reacted and that there was nothing wrong with what she wore in what is supposed to be a professional workplace.

  • Business school casual
  • Posted by P. McMahon on August 22, 2007 at 9:20am EDT
  • I agree with the idea of teaching students the concept of proper business attire, yet forcing all of them to wear it will not make them any smarter or any more willing to learn. A dress code is an archaic, often sexist, concept. Is a young woman any less of a student because she isn't wearing a solid colored top or a skirt?

    While I lament the lack of good taste and proper attire in business offices these days, I believe that if someone has the good sense to wear proper attire in the work place, they will do so anyway.

    Give the college students a break. The Hitler Youth were all nattily attired in matching uniforms. Look what good it did them.

    Something as silly as this will have students looking to go to other business schools.

  • Not where you are, but where you're going
  • Posted by Melanie McCalmont at Univ of Wisconsin on August 22, 2007 at 9:25am EDT
  • Seven years ago I left a top management slot at age 40 to get my degrees. I was appalled at how students dressed and how casually they treated their instructors. At my age, I understood that a higher education was an INVESTMENT in your life, an expensive R&D effort at that. In my industry we would have never agreed to develop a product (me) for 4 years without attention to its packaging (appearance). I continued to dress in the same way that I had, and often was mistaken for faculty.

    Students should know that you have to dress for where you're GOING, not for where you ARE. It's not selling out to follow the dress code; you "work the system" because that's how one gets on the inside to make changes.

    Especially in business school, it's a mental war, and dress is your standard and your armor. It's a cruel fact that business associates make judgments about you based on their impression in the first 2 minutes. Some of these soft skills, especially in non-business majors, should be taught as Business Survival 101.

  • Doesn't Freedom Matter?
  • Posted by John K. Wilson on August 22, 2007 at 9:40am EDT
  • These comments so far disturb me. My views on the matter are clear on my College Freedom blog that the article links to. I can understand (but fundamentally disagree with) the view that students dress too casually. But surely the right procedure is to persuade them otherwise, not to punish them for wearing sneakers. Of course, time will change these old-fashioned dress codes. After all, what's the dress code at Google? "You must wear clothes."

  • Dressed for success?
  • Posted by Greg on August 22, 2007 at 9:50am EDT
  • They really need to take another look at which direction their cash flows and how it differs from the workplace.

  • Approach to learning
  • Posted by Jeremy on August 22, 2007 at 9:50am EDT
  • While I don't see the change in attire as a ground-breaking move that will return society to some imagined, historical "glory days of yore", I do think that requiring students to dress in a professional manner may impact their attitude toward learning in the classroom. While there are many studies on the use of uniforms in K-12 education, I am not aware of too many that address this issue in higher ed. Anyone aware of the research on this subject in higher ed?

  • Posted by Maureen , Asking a lot on August 22, 2007 at 9:50am EDT
  • I agree with the critics who argue that this places an unnecessary financial strain, not just on poor students. We already ask students to pay overwhelming rates of tuition, board, food, books and other educational expenses. Now students will need to spend more to update their wardrobe, as well as pay for maintaining these clothes (through dry cleaning as the policy mentions).
    I believe this is a lot to ask students. It's one thing to have a no sweatpants policy- most students have more than sweatpants in their closets. However, adding attire to the long list of college expenses would be enough to send me looking for another business school.

  • You guys are just sad
  • Posted by nathan m on August 22, 2007 at 10:00am EDT
  • It says a lot about your field of study that you're more worried about people's appearances than their performance.

    I'm so thankful that I didn't go to business school and that I came of age during the dotcom boom.

    Get in line, you lemmings!!

    (Next thing you'll be saying they shouldn't take a bong hit when they wake up!)

  • Thanks for thinking of us!
  • Posted by PJ on August 22, 2007 at 10:00am EDT
  • "Dr. Arthur Ide: If everyone looks as if he or she climbed out of bed and went to class, the entire concept of advancing oneself intellectually and personally is gone. "

    WOW I would like to thank Dr. Ide for making the decision that how a person is clothed makes a difference in how well I learn. What was I thinking that I could work a 3rd shift job and have just enough time to slide home and shower and change in to some comfortable clothes before class. I mean without the kakis and the dress shirt what ever would I do.... apparently sit in the back of the class and drool. People like this defend themselves by saying that this won't cost the students allot of money. Yea right.... even at old navy a pair of pants and a polo are going to run you about 45$.. so its only 255$ to have a weeks worth of clothes, of course that means you have to wear the same thing over and over again but who cares there only students. Also the time and or money involved in dry cleaning and pressing the outfits is pretty astounding. Of course when the students get into real jobs they will have to dress differently, but to make them dress in business casual now is idiotic. Dr. Arthur Ide one day you will have to wear some form of Adult diaper so does that mean that we should require you to wear one now to prepare you for that reality? Of course not.. So leave the students aloe and let them wear what they want!

  • Business Casual
  • Posted by CT_Yankee on August 22, 2007 at 10:05am EDT
  • Student's clothing can still be a form of expression. The statement is "I'm serious about business." My son is in an internship program at a major insurance company. He wears a suit and tie for work, because it sends the message "I'm here on business." If you face extra difficulties being taken seriously in the workplace because you are young, don't dress like a kid on spring break.

  • This is the best you can come up with?
  • Posted by Mike Nagy on August 22, 2007 at 10:15am EDT
  • To say the current college student has a "casual" attitude toward dress (or anything else) is, at times, being charitable. As a former Mass Communication / Media Production Professor, I have seen it all. Literally.

    However, a dress code is the last thing a business school needs to worry about. Nice diversion from reality: The farce of a financial model that serves as shiny backdrop for the education these fashion challenged students needs to be the focus. I would rather have a scruffy Frosh that understood the concept of True Cost Economics than a shiny undergrad who wants to climb into the box with Ayn Rand.

    Maybe I am not being fair. Maybe the department has solved all of their student-faculty ratio problems, tightened up their admission standards and processes, solved all of the pay inequities of their faculty, staff, AND graduate students, and scrubbed their facilities to a hi-pro glow.

    Pardon me if I do not hold my breath. The Process of Weeding Out, indeed.

  • dress as a socialization process
  • Posted by Steven L. Johnson on August 22, 2007 at 10:40am EDT
  • Adopting a dress code for business classes is part of the socialization process for business students. Recruiters are looking for graduates who think and act in a particular way. If a hiring firm has to give a new employee "on the job training" about how to dress, that's one more impediment (and risk) to having an productive employee. Having students that already know "how to dress" is a competitive advantage for the students and the institution.

    Yes indeed this is about socializing students into a level of conformity expected in corporate business settings. If they can't cope with that as a business school student they should self-select out to a different profession--they certainly won't be happy in a corporate job.

    There are opportunities for creativity and self-expression in business settings--the sooner a student learns how to channel them in an acceptable way to businesses the more successful they will be in their chosen profession.

  • Insulting and unnecessary
  • Posted by Anastasia on August 22, 2007 at 10:40am EDT
  • Unlike grad and law schools that accept students straight out of college, business schools typically accept applications from individuals who have already worked as analysts, bankers, and consultants. After working a few years in a professional setting and attending a thousand work happy hours, people kinda tend to get the hang of the whole business casual thing on their own.

    I'm not in B-school, but I work in a professional setting and I definitely do not need my school to teach me how to dress. These rules are silly and frankly insulting. If anything, they make more sense for law students who are in fact fresh out of college and might find themselves unprepared for professional settings once they graduate.

  • Posted by Anina , Software Engineer on August 22, 2007 at 10:40am EDT
  • I'm glad that I didn't go to business school and instead chose a major in engineering. I spent four years going to class in pajamas or sweatpants or jeans, and on many occasions spent more than 24 consecutive hours in one of the engineering labs. Believe me, when you're working a midnight job and trying to get all your course work done knowing that it'll be four days before you see your apartment again, wrinkle free khakis are not an option.

    I graduated and went to work for a pretty large software company, where we have a dress code that requires only that we not show up naked. Many of us work long hours, practically living at our desks, and want to be comfortable. Luckily, this is a company that recognizes a very simple fact: a comfortable, happy employee is productive. They don't care about the piercings or the track suit and flip flops - they care about the product.

    Yet another example of how those in what has become the corporate religion are detached from reality.

  • Business as usual
  • Posted by Joe Dickens on August 22, 2007 at 10:40am EDT
  • In business appearances have long taken precedence over actual fact. How good someone at an office is at his/her job is of very little importance, how good they appear at a cursory glance is everything.

    Just a continuation of the stupidity of the business world here, nothing else. I just wish an academic institution like this could be a little different, and instead value natural motivation and skill...

  • Posted by Dan , Account Manager at Illinois State on August 22, 2007 at 10:40am EDT
  • I graduated from ISU back in December and took many of the classes that required professional dress. I really think the budget criticism is relatively unfounded since if you look at a place like Kohl's you could easily spend less than $30 for a complete outfit minus shoes. This would be what for the student? missing one weekend of partying?

    In many of the marketing classes there are outside guests that come in from highly repected companies to present or take courses for themselves. I have witnessed many instances where these people have an instant respect for the students when they see they took the time to actually get ready for class.

  • Posted by JS on August 22, 2007 at 10:50am EDT
  • What is the rationale for separate men's and women's dress codes? What kinds of businesses have dress codes--especially preppy ones? Aren't hookers and hitmen also "professional"? Doesn't that just mean "paid"? Why is it that people tend to wear similar attire when 1) dressed for business, 2) dressed for church, and 3) dressed to announce a sports event on TV?

    Like, what's up with that?

  • Posted by Shaun Rockwell on August 22, 2007 at 11:05am EDT
  • Dressing for an interview or recruiter is one thing, but what you wear to class should be your own choice. As mentioned, “…you can look very nicely in business casual and not really spend a lot of money either… less than what it costs to buy designer jeans.” True, but most students and professionals alike are going to wear different clothes on the weekend and during their free time. That means you are still spending more money than you would because you will have two different sets of clothes. I can also see the advantage, because these clothes will already be owned for job use after college has ended. You could argue that these clothes can be worn any time, but as a young alumnus, I can tell you that wearing these clothes to voluntary social events in a college setting would make you stick out like a sore thumb. I guess my point is, students are young, and the majority is going to want to dress in their own style. The reason people accept a dress code at work is because they are paying you, whereas in school the student is paying to be there. Also, implying that students who have trouble with this policy are acting out of laziness is placing the argument on a personal level.

  • It's about time!
  • Posted by David Macias , Programmer/Analyst at CSU Dominguez Hiills on August 22, 2007 at 11:35am EDT
  • I say that it is a great start to an end to students' casual attitude to higher education. Bring back respect for faculty, and staff, who have worked hard for the student's benefit. The motto at my university is "students come first." Yet, many of our students take our efforts for granted and want more perks. If we bend over backwards for them, can we not expect anything in return?

    As to the high cost of clothes, are student too proud to shop at the Goodwill? Didn't their mother's teach them how to use an iron? Dressing yourself is a skill that should have been learned before a young man or woman goes to college.

  • Business (School) Casual
  • Posted by Cyndy , Faculty Development at ISU on August 22, 2007 at 1:25pm EDT
  • Having taught in this particular business college until recently, I have heard all sides of the dress code issue for awhile. I understand the pro/con issues, and believe there is some validity on both sides. The "best fit" for all may fall somewhere in the middle, with a dress code with some flexibility, just as many of us have in the professional world, depending on the type of business.

    What I don't buy, though, is the argument I've heard the most against a dress code: that students can't afford nice clothes. The arguments so far have mentioned obtaining clothes from stores. I spent my first few years in the mainstream world wearing clothes I purchased at garage sales or received as hand-me-downs from friends and co-workers. (And often still do!)All I had to do was put the word out I needed clothes, and people came to my rescue. Those were some of the nicest outfits I ever owned, and they hardly cost a thing.

  • Work wear
  • Posted by Salukiguy , TV Guy at Higher Learning on August 22, 2007 at 1:25pm EDT
  • Thank God I graduated from SIUC in TV. I'd hate to give up my "Huey Lewis and the News" "Sports" tour T-Shirt on Casual Fridays. I hope it works for ISU.(But they have always kinda had a bug up their butt anyway...)..I'm just glad I don't work in Business...Hard to run a camera in a suit...

  • Old news
  • Posted by Charles Evans , Executive Director at Free Curricula Center on August 22, 2007 at 1:30pm EDT
  • Proprietary schools have been making their students wear the 'uniforms' of their fields for a long, long time. Allied Health students wear scrubs to class, CSI students wear BDUs and boots, Business students wear ties and business casual attire.

    The businessmen and -women that I have spoken with tell me that the students who are forced to dress the role during their college time interview better.

    And, at the end of the day, that's what a degree in Business Administration is all about: getting a job.

  • Get Real
  • Posted by S Harrris on August 22, 2007 at 1:45pm EDT
  • How many "business" people end up in "dot-coms"? Goggle, although very cool, is not the employer of all business school graduates, nor are all business school graduates interested in working for Goggle. Let's get real. Like it or not how you dress influences how you behave as well as how others perceive you (social cognition). While some argue PJs are suitable attire for business or academia in general, the reality is when we dress up we feel like we are going somewhere special; that we are doing something special; we are more cognitively engaged, and we are more attentive to stimuli. Also, others perceive us to have more integrity, competency and focus. Why not have students dress in a more positive fashion...its like the difference between a handwritten term paper and an APA formatted typed term paper...the term papers may have the same content but you will probably grade them differently!

  • Posted by Rae on August 22, 2007 at 2:30pm EDT
  • "I really think the budget criticism is relatively unfounded since if you look at a place like Kohl’s you could easily spend less than $30 for a complete outfit minus shoes. This would be what for the student? missing one weekend of partying?"

    Yes, but for a week's worth of clothes, this is $150.00. As a recent college graduate, I'm insulted. I did not "party" as you would put it. I worked two jobs while completing school and I know many others that were also in similar situations. So what would $30 be for me....groceries. I wish people would understand that not all young people are drunked up hooligans but hard working citizens trying to learn and make a living while battling ridiculous college loans.

  • Dress Code
  • Posted by Pam on August 22, 2007 at 3:20pm EDT
  • Finally!! this is long overdue. Anyone can find business casual clothes-very inexpensive- and look appropriate. It is pathetic- the number of times that we have interviewed prospective employees-in a major US city business and folks have come to their interview in 'capris/ denim/wrinkled shirts/'flip flops'. Some of these folks were the most 'qualified' but the message they conveyed-by their dress- was "If they look sloppy-& don't care about their appearance, then they likely approach their job/work the same way."
    Remember- You only have 1 chance to make a good first impression. If you don't care how you look- then our company doesn't care for you.

  • Cost?
  • Posted by L on August 22, 2007 at 4:00pm EDT
  • It's mentioned it's too expensive for a student to be required to dress "business casual". However, it is common for a student to spend $60.00 - $100.00 for a pair of jeans. It seems to me in some cases it would be less expensive to dress "business casual".

  • Business Attire
  • Posted by Richard Cook on August 22, 2007 at 4:50pm EDT
  • Not a bad idea to teach students the proper way to dress in a professional environment. People that complain about it: don't go to a school that requires professional attire for the class. No one is twisting your arm. Freedom to go also means freedom not to go.

    For people that complian about the expense I wonder how they will do in the world of mortgages, bills, etc. I don't think your boss is going to want to hear I couldn't afford decent clothes becuase I had to pay the mortgage. That says more about you than about your company.

  • Can't and don't want to are two different things
  • Posted by Amy , Student/Working Professional on August 22, 2007 at 4:50pm EDT
  • I do not believe that students cannot afford to dress in business casual style. I work in the nonprofit sector, where starting salaries are in the 25k range, yet people manage to find something to wear that meets the dress code. Asking you to wear khakis and a school polo shirt is not asking too much. You have to wear SOMETHING to class (I think), so why not make it something that doesn't look like you are getting ready to mow the lawn?

  • Business Culture vs. College Culture
  • Posted by The Rabid Folklorist on August 22, 2007 at 5:00pm EDT
  • Ummm... You can't make a silk purse out a sow's ear. Put an idiot in a suit and you get...an idiot in a suit.

    Business people bitch about their prospective employees being poorly dressed for interviews and working on the job. Doesn't this really say a great deal more about who you hired [might hire] than a well-constructed resume might? And if they're all behaving this way, then isn't this saying something about the rigid formality of your profession? Let's be serious: "Business Casual" is only about 20 years old as a category of dress anyway!

    While I also disagree with the extra-expense argument, I also think the policy is bullshit. I can understand requiring a dress code for certain courses (specifically those involving a "Business culture expectations" sort of component), but forcing college students to wear dress shoes and uncomfortable clothing all-day when they may need to run around campus, or have class in hot buildings, or sit in uncomfortable chairs is an unnecessary burden. Business professionals coming to a college campus to offer a lecture should know THEY'RE ON A COLLEGE CAMPUS, not at a convention at the Ritz-Carlton!

    If the college thinks students are dressing so poorly, then the entire college should crack down on extreme casualness:

    Enact a policy prohibiting being barefoot in public areas, force students to stop flashing their "stuff" in the classroom (whether cleavage or crotch), make sure students realize they need to invest in some deodorant and a tooth brush. As a [non-business] college instructor, I've encountered all of those things, and they irritated me far more than the pajamas, ripped jeans, and pink hair.

  • Posted by Greg on August 22, 2007 at 5:00pm EDT
  • I don't think the school has gone far enough! Why just start/stop with the clothes. shouldn't beards be shaved, no moustaches below the lip, no pony tails for guys, or grey hair for anyone. Can you say Tandy Corporation? How about the student's dorms or apartments, should'nt the pc police check out the hovels they live in to see if they are up to snuff? College is like the Vegas Commercial, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Same with college, life as a student in not a reflection of their later life as an adult. I see students tiring of this b.s. and moving on down the street to another college.
    Greg

  • The Stuff Factor
  • Posted by Amy , Student/Working Professional on August 22, 2007 at 5:00pm EDT
  • And just a few lines down from this article I see "The Stuff Factor", which states,

    "Back to college has become big business. According to an annual survey from the National Retail Federation, students and their parents are spending $5.43 billion this season on dorm and apartment furnishings, up from $3.82 billion a year ago. The survey shows that they will spend a combined average of $956.93 per student on back-to-college merchandise, up from last year’s $880.52."

    Hmmm, I wonder how many pairs of khakis I could get if I returned a flat screen tv?

  • The "Real World"
  • Posted by Jim on August 22, 2007 at 5:50pm EDT
  • Don't worry kids; you'll find out that here, in the "real world" that your profs like to scare you about, I work in a large office building with over 500 employees at our site, which has a "business casual" dresscode that sways more toward the "casual" end of the spectrum. So much that people wear flip-flops, shorts, t-shirts, piercings (lips, noses, etc.) and some people even wear hats! Plus, I think judging someone on tattoos and piercings is a bit ignorant - there ARE businesses where that could be an asset, such as managing a record store or owning a motorcycle shop - "real world" jobs that are often held by educated people.

  • Good Policy
  • Posted by Andrew Graham on August 22, 2007 at 6:10pm EDT
  • Whether or not dress or appearance in general -should- affect HR decisions like hiring, compensnation, and promotions is debatable, but the reality is pretty clear: it does. I would have paid good money to know exactly how to use dress as a competitive advantage when I graduated from ISU in 2004 (I work on Wall Street now).

    This policy certainly invites criticism, but I don't think the intent is to stifle creativity or individuality as much as it is to give graduates the chance to apply their business education in actual business settings. IMO, most of the real-world cliches you can think of certainly apply here.

  • Posted by Bonehead , VP for Identifying Absurdity on August 22, 2007 at 9:40pm EDT
  • What a bonehead idea. Let's see rather than find new and better ways to measure learning or performance this school is going to improve learning by making student dress better. Correct me but all those woderfully dressed business school grads from Adelphis, ENRON. and others, I imagine they dressed well in business school and look how they perform.

    Here's a great idea, forget about outward stuff like clothes and those god awful long titles and focus on how we improve the learning experience. Look at the Google guys, billionaires, and casual as could be. It's all about learning, not stuffiness, titles, and those other things that do not add value.

    We at the Bonehead Institute are dedicated to pointing out the silliness that parades as integral to learning.

  • A Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Waste
  • Posted by Frizbane Manley on August 23, 2007 at 10:30am EDT
  • Every time I think about undergraduates investing their collegiate careers in the “study” of business, I am reminded of the United Negro College Fund’s motto, “A mind is a terrible thing to waste.”

    That aside, everyone knows there is a high correlation between academic performance and respect for higher education. This photograph “says it all.”

    http://www.comefromchina.com/bbs/topic/239305-1.html

  • Dress Code and history in Colleges
  • Posted by Brad on August 23, 2007 at 11:35am EDT
  • My father is in his 70's which put him in college in the late 1950's. He also belonged to a Fraternity as well. In his day, they had dress codes and in fact when you went to dinner, you better be dressed nice or no service. The University I went to myself, they repealed their dress code back in 1973. Before then, it was dressy type of clothes such as slacks, not jeans especially for class and meals at the dining hall. Kind of ironic, I started college in 1985, only 12 years after the repeal. In that day, no college/university had dress codes maybe except for the religious schools.

    In todays college world, you have more non-traditional types of students. A lot of them work full time and are getting tuition reimbursement. Some companies even require their workers to dress nice for classes since it is their money paying the bills. Dress codes are already coming back to public schools such as Indianapolis Public Schools. Colleges may not be too far behind as well especially if kids go through school from K to 12 are used to conforming to a dress code, they will be less likely to resist that in a college environment. I can also see a crackdown coming from administrators due to college kids not being modest in dress in showing a little bit too much.

    The University I attended, the administration made a comment back in 1973 that the students should be treated with respect as adults and should be allowed to make their own decision in what they wear within reason. If those in charge at the time were to see how students dressed today, more than likely, they would have chosen to retain said dress code.

  • Business (School) Casual
  • Posted by JHB , President at Blumenthal-Hart Ltd on August 24, 2007 at 5:30pm EDT
  • When I was an undergraduate in the 60's, I was told by my professors that I was studying to be a professional in my field and that I had better be dressed as a professional. One day I wore slacks with a jacket and I was kicked out because "slacks" were not appropriate attire for women.

  • Uptighty Society Policy
  • Posted by d w i at Illinois State University on August 25, 2007 at 6:05pm EDT
  • If you go to a job interview wearing flip-flops, a t-shirt and shorts.....you might be an idiot!!! It's too bad that Illinois State University has not been in Playboy Magazine's Top 10 Party Colleges, unlike Southern Illinois University. I do agree that some people should not wear sandals in public, mostly men with long knarly toenails with feet that looked like they haven't washed them in a month. However I also agree with a previous post, "It says a lot about your field of study that you’re more worried about people’s appearances than their performance." Is the College of Business wanting to be more like the military? How about making the male students have buzz cuts, make the women put their hair up and have them all wear the same types of uniforms? Anybody with common sense knows that if you really want a good job, you have to dress for success. Forcing people to dress appropriately while attending classes at a college is not the answer. It kind of sounds like the College of Business at ISU is a little too uptight and very concerned about their reputation and image. I would rather wear shorts and t-shirts than a buttoned down shirt and slacks in 90 degree weather. Why? Because it's freakin' HOT!!!!

  • Posted by Realist on August 27, 2007 at 3:00pm EDT
  • I think substance should be viewed as more important than form. This sort of policy focuses on form. What specific knowledge are these students actually learning? This is not even addressed. I wonder why.

  • Just making it official
  • Posted by Kyle Bush , Student at Illinois State University on September 5, 2007 at 12:20pm EDT
  • I will be graduating from ISU in December with an education degree and I find it silly that students and parents are upset with this and that it took this long. For years, education majors have been expected to wear school appropriate attire to their clinical experiences, and to the best of my knowledge, the professional attire rule at the College of Business has been an "unofficial" rule for some time now. Now, they are making it official policy. It is the mission of a university to prepare students for work in their field, and that includes what is in a textbook and what is the culture of their work. For teachers, it is about not just learning methods and techniques, but also how a teacher should behave, appear, and act. The same goes for business - if you are entering a professional occupation like teaching or business, you are expected to dress professionally every day. Period. It is about time that the College of Business recognized that it has an obligation to teach the explicit and implicit expectations of businesspeople in the real world, and I applaud them for their decision. My fellow students, we aren't in high school anymore, so act like it - take some pride in yourself, and whether or not you're required to, don't show up to class wearing pajamas and flip-flops. Society has become way too soft on people my age, and I'm glad someone has decided to be different.

  • Living it...
  • Posted by ISUbird04 , ISU Student on September 6, 2007 at 5:35pm EDT
  • I am currently enrolled in the College of Business at Illinois State University. I am also currently affected by this asinine "dress code." I see it nothing more as the powers that be flexing their muscle. If people are graduating from college at the age of 22,23, or 24 and they don't understand how to properly dress in their profession, then it's their own problem.

    The biggest problem I have with this dress code is that I PAY FOR MY EDUCATION!!! I should not be required to dress like everyone else. When I work, and they pay me $40,000 or $50,000 a year, then it's all good. If the College of Business wants to pay me to dress business casual, then have at it. In the meantime I'll enjoy wearing my sandals and backwards baseball cap because it has no effect on my effort and grades. I succeed in school because I want to, not because I look good while doing it.