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Aug. 28, 2007
Dinesh D’Souza has been a lightning rod for controversy ever since he started writing for The Dartmouth Review, the first modern conservative student newspaper, in the early 1980s. His latest book, The Enemy at Home: The Cultural Left and Its Responsibility for 9/11, set a new standard even for him, igniting a firestorm of criticism across the political spectrum when it was published in January. Now, D’Souza says Boston College is withholding videotape of a debate on the book he conducted there with the scholar Alan Wolfe — because it shows that the college’s “intellectual emperor has no clothes.”
Elaborating on Fox News’s Hannity & Colmes on Friday and on his AOL blog early Monday morning, D’Souza, the Robert and Karen Rishwain Research Fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution, said that Wolfe had failed to answer basic questions about Islam and democracy during the debate, and that he believed the professor and the college were “colluding” to keep the spectacle out of the hands of the public. The debate was held on April 18, but the college didn’t inform the event’s organizers that the video would not be published on the college’s multimedia portal, Front Row, until last week.
But the producers of the video maintain that it was an embarrassment for both debaters. “It was uncivil, they talked over each other, they ... cast aspersions on each other’s character, they made jokes at each other’s expense, it was a snipe job, it was a street fight, it was a brawl. And frankly it doesn’t meet Boston College’s intellectual standards,” said Ben Birnbaum, the executive producer of Front Row. While it was clear that the taping was intended for an online audience, the written agreement with the debaters left the decision on what to do with the video in the college’s hands.
Since no record of the debate is publicly available, a reconstruction of what exactly happened requires relying on recollections that sometimes appear to contradict each other. An example mentioned in D’Souza’s blog highlights the misunderstandings that may have occurred as the debate went on. During five-minute “cross-examination” sessions in which the participants could grill each other directly, D’Souza wrote, “I asked Wolfe a series of simple questions about the Muslim world. What percentage of Muslims around the globe live in a democracy? He had no idea. Which is the largest Muslim country in the world? He answered, ‘India,’ which is not a Muslim country at all.”
Wolfe, director of the Boisi Center for Religion and American Public Life at Boston College, conceded that the answer “India” was wrong. “Should I have answered the question correctly? Yes,” he said. But “I just assumed that he was trying to trick me in some way. I was trying to be doubly smart.” Then D’Souza asked him if he knew the second-largest Muslim country, to which Wolfe repeated, in D’Souza’s account, “India?” But Wolfe pointed out that D’Souza’s answer, Bangladesh, was also wrong. The second most populous Muslim country (to Indonesia) is Pakistan.
What he was referring to, but which may not have been clear during the debate, was the second-largest Muslim democracy, D’Souza clarified in an interview. But, he insisted, Wolfe had “no idea either way.” Wolfe likened the questions to asking “what’s the capital of the United States?” — so basic that “I outsmarted myself,” he said.
“It wasn’t my proudest hour, you can quote me on that.”
D’Souza said on his blog that this and other episodes during the debate led Wolfe and Front Row to work together to withhold the video from the public, a claim that both parties vigorously deny. Now D’Souza is calling it censorship, Wolfe has deferred to Front Row and the college said it has the right not to publish content that doesn’t meet its standards.
An Invitation to Speak
It all started with D’Souza’s new book, an avowedly controversial take on a volatile topic. Rather than place the blame for the September 11 terrorist attacks on more traditional targets, such as U.S. foreign policy or a corrosive strain of Islam, D’Souza argues that they were blowback in response to a different kind of perceived threat: socially liberal Americans, or the “cultural left.” The book asserts that radical Islam is, at least in part, a reaction against a worldwide crusade by American secular progressives to spread cultural permissiveness abroad.
That thesis led not only to predictable condemnations from the left, but a near-unanimous shunning from the right as well. One of the most prominent attacks on D’Souza’s book was published in The New York Times Book Review, and its author was Wolfe, who wrote, “I never thought a book by D’Souza, the aging enfant terrible of American conservatism, would, like the Stalinist apologetics of the popular front period, contain such a soft spot for radical evil.” (D’Souza, on his blog, called the piece a “hit job.")
So when Bradley Easterbrooks, the vice president of the College Republicans and a senior at Boston College at the time, invited D’Souza to speak on campus, he agreed — and suggested they invite Wolfe as well. “It was [D’Souza’s] idea, and I think it was a good idea,” Wolfe said. Easterbrooks coordinated with the College Democrats, and the college itself provided support in funding and publicity. To pave the way for Front Row to tape the event, both Wolfe and D’Souza signed forms ceding the intellectual property of the video to the college, which would allow but not require it to post the content online. “Nothing prevented them from taping this themselves,” Birnbaum said.
By most accounts, the debate was heated and contentious. At 36 points during the 54-page transcript of the debate, Birnbaum said, the transcriber wrote: “overlapping conversations, inaudible.” Normally, he said, he’d only see about five such instances in the 600 or so pages of transcripts he reviews each year. “I don’t think it was a good example of how to debate the merits of an idea,” he said. (He wouldn’t release the transcript of the debate.)
“There was too much shouting. It didn’t really serve any academic purpose,” Wolfe said. “It degenerated into a lot of name calling, and I didn’t find it a very pleasant experience. I didn’t come out of it too elevated. I’m sure that, speaking to people in the audience afterwards, they didn’t come out feeling particularly elevated either. It was an opportunity to discuss some pretty important issues, but it never reached the level [of] an Oxford debate.”
Calling it “feisty,” D’Souza put it this way: “The debate actually was civil; it was only uncivil in the sense that [Wolfe] would make outrageous allegations and he couldn’t back them up.”
Differing Accounts
As in any good brawl, the first question is always: Who started it?
Wolfe said that both he and D’Souza were culpable for the tone of the debate, but “I wouldn’t say 50-50; I’d still put more of the blame on him because of his debating style, which is really designed to provoke you.” He said D’Souza started out by calling him a liar.
D’Souza came into the debate already having taken issue with Wolfe’s review, which he said mischaracterized a chapter of his book that was intended to view America “through Muslim eyes” but that Wolfe “artfully manipulates those quotations” to make them look like his own views. “All my work is very patriotic and pro-American,” D’Souza said, comparing his thesis to asking whether European appeasement sowed the seeds of World War II.
Seeming to savor the unique opportunity the debate afforded, D’Souza pointed out, “An author normally does not have the chance to confront a critic.”
And he did. The back and forth that ensued, according to the varying accounts, appeared to produce no clear winners or illuminate the issues that each had been invited to discuss. “I’m not claiming that I won the debate, all I’m saying is that the debate was very revealing” about Wolfe and other scholars, D’Souza said, who use “hit job” tactics, then “run for cover.”
Meanwhile, Easterbrooks, who doesn’t agree with D’Souza’s thesis, said he thinks the college has an obligation to release the footage. “Their mission should be allowing their students to decide and think critically,” he said. For his part, Birnbaum said it’s not about censorship. “This has nothing to do with who bested whom in the debate; I could care less. Alan Wolfe could have wiped the floor with Dinesh D’Souza and I wouldn’t have posted it.” The archive at Front Row features debates from speakers across the political spectrum, he added.
Birnbaum recounted a moment toward the end of the debate that he said summed up his feelings about it. A student went to one of the floor microphones and said: “Just as a student, I feel that your bickering here is a great disservice to us, because I came here to learn something, and I didn’t really learn anything.”
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Will an enterprising student please leak this tape? I can’t think of a more entertaining way to start the school year. Which, I know, is sad.
Tickled Pink, Ivy, at 10:15 am EDT on August 28, 2007
“. . . the written agreement with the debaters left the decision on what to do with the video in the college’s hands.”
D’Souza is a hack trying to gin up controversy in order to pump book sales. Boston College is doing the world a favor.
Joseph Duemer, Professor at Clarkson University, at 10:20 am EDT on August 28, 2007
It seems pragmatic mercy only comes up when a release of information may do more harm to the image of the institution. When persons not in sympathy with the university Zeitgeist withhold anything, it is obviously censorship.
Boston College should release the tape and transcripts and allow their students to decide for themselves.
True education would argue all sides be considered. This seems to be a case of B.C. “schooling” students rather than actually allowing education to take place. John Dewey asked for teachers (institutions) to be “partners in inquiry.” When your partner provides blinders, earplugs, and not even Braille to consider—how can this be education to prepare for a much harsher world outside the B.C. walls?
Jon Hanson, at 10:20 am EDT on August 28, 2007
” .. D’Souza is a hack trying to gin up controversy in order to pump book sales. Boston College is doing the world a favor ..”
This is the kind of outstanding thinking that kept VaTech administration from telling the public about the first shooting for two hours.
As in, “we know better than you — trust us. Forget about the First Amendment, it isn’t that big of a deal.”
Hardly. The average person has more common sense than the average English professor and college administrator. Trust me.
Buzz, at 10:50 am EDT on August 28, 2007
The number of people who might have watched this debate on-line, absent the controversy featured in this story, would probably be slightly more than two: D’Souza and Wolfe. How many people have time or stamina to watch on-line debates? Please. Why not leak the content and refuse to post it on an official site. In so doing, BC avoids posting substandard work and viewers can judge for themselves.
“In every country where man is free to think and to speak, differences of opinion will arise from difference of perception, and the imperfection of reason; but these differences when permitted, as in this happy country, to purify themselves by free discussion, are but as passing clouds overspreading our land transiently and leaving our horizon more bright and serene.” —Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Waring, 1801.
Molehill McMountain, at 11:05 am EDT on August 28, 2007
Wow! The article makes this debate sound like a real cultural donnybrook! I’ve heard D’Souza speak about his book and found his basis thesis interesting but over-reaching.I’ve never heard Mr. Wolfe speak but I’d love to watch the video of these two ideational warriors going at it hammer and tong! Maybe Boston College can edit the original down to a more audience friendly video where we can actually hear the arguments these two make. Might be more fun than a dog fight!
feudi pandola, at 11:35 am EDT on August 28, 2007
Prima facie, that the threat of the West spreading its cultural decadence to Muslim societies was the motive for 9/11 is a bit of a stretch. But can anyone doubt that that decadence is a drag on the spread of democracy and civil liberties? Social statistics on matters of family life are pretty grim and a tour through the check-out line of any supermarket would seem to confirm it. “Sexual experiences which any woman should have, married, single, divorced,” I read recently on the cover of some usually tame magazine. We actually seem to evangelize promiscuity and we have the STD rates to prove that the catechesis is successful. We might find this just an unfortunate side effect of liberty, but one could easily get the impression that it is the purpose of liberty. It is a message which is appealing only to those whose futures and whose lives and loves are not centered on a faithful spouse and the care of young children. And one sad part of the decadence in the U.S. is the growing number of young adults who do not even consider marriage and family as part of their future. How many intelligent, family oriented Muslims would you expect to choose a Western style democracy if it required accepting that kind of decadence?
Stanislaus Dundon, Professor Emeritus at California State University. Sacramento, at 12:50 pm EDT on August 28, 2007
The “debate” sounds arrogant, childish, and nasty—all of which one expects from D’Souza and apparently is matched by Wolfe (which one, alas, often gets from professors). Call it “The O’Reilly Factor Squared,” featuring Beavis and Butthead, and release it for the teenage market.At least Dartmouth is now noted not only for beer-sodden, snowy weekends and B.C. not only for Doug Flutie’s last second pass (although I admit that Louise Erdrich went to Dartmouth in its first co-ed class).
Dave, USC, at 1:05 pm EDT on August 28, 2007
Release the video and transcript. Why is Front Row protecting the debaters from what it claims is mutual “embarrassment"? This is a lame excuse that rings hollow and generates more questions than it answers.
Christine, at 1:25 pm EDT on August 28, 2007
BC’s position is, of course, complete BS. More speech is generally a good thing; and, while BC apparently has every right to do what it’s doing, it does a disservice to the notion of free debate that American universities should foster. I have no interest in seeing who “won” (it doesn’t sound like anybody did); but I’d like to have the opportunity to judge that for myself, were I so inclined.
Maineroad, at 3:20 pm EDT on August 28, 2007
Since BC wasn’t a participant in the debate, why are they “embarrassed?”
If you’re at a dinner party where two fellow guests act inappropriately, would you blame the host? Sounds to me like BC is hesitant to release the footage; either because they don’t want themselves to be associated with the “winner,” or because they are afraid that actual free-thinking individuals might decide that the “winner” isn’t associated with their political agenda.
And, by the way...If US foreign policy is a “more traditional” explanation for 9/11, then why is US domestic policy equally to blame. I only ask because if the 9/11 hijackers (who were living in the US for some time) would have been as resolved to carry out their mission if US society was more “to their liking.” Is a certain religion incapable of the type of reasoning that says, “Hey, this America isn’t as bad as I thought...maybe I shouldn’t kill?”
It’s racist, discriminating and, prejudice to think otherwise.
NVUS, at 6:20 pm EDT on August 28, 2007
Go look up irony in the dictionary.
Joseph Duemer, Professor at Clarkson University, at 6:20 pm EDT on August 28, 2007
Here’s a mirror on the minds of those who would deny information from others —
http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jejune
Buzz, at 7:45 am EDT on August 29, 2007
I hesitate to call it a debate. Instead, D’Souza and Wolfe acted like a cross between petulant children and drunken egomaniacs. I came to hear a thoughtful, reasoned exchange of ideas. Sure, I expected intensity and passion from the two participants, but I also viewed civility, intelligence, and common decency as mandatory staples of such an event.
I left after about 20 minutes. Had I wanted to attend a dogfight, I would have visited Michael Vick’s premises in Virginia.
Should the tape be aired? As a local resident who is neither an employee or alumnus of Boston College, I believe the answer to that question is no. Watching the debate, I felt more like a rubbernecking driver who passed the scene of a car accident. Both Wolfe and D’Souza contributed nothing to the discussion. Also, and I’m not an attorney, Boston College’s decision to withhold the tape seems to be in line with the contract language mentioned above.
I do believe, though, that D’Souza and Wolfe should be forever prohibited from appearing in such a format at the school until each has written and published a lengthy personal apology for his respective misbehavior.
The First Amendment is one thing; acting like petulant, banal children quite another.
John, at 8:50 am EDT on August 29, 2007
” .. The First Amendment is one thing; acting like petulant, banal children quite another.”
Gee — never dealt with college students? Or been to a faculty meeting? Or a college budget hearing at the legislature?
Now, INYO, what would be next to keep from others?
“The Nation?” Or “National Review?” Or “Reason?”
We’re adults. Trust us. We can take a punch. We’ve been watching “South Park” for a decade.
Buzz, at 9:20 am EDT on August 29, 2007
“Wolfe, director of the Boisi Center for Religion and American Public Life at Boston College,”
I realize this is only a single instance, but if Wolfe can’t engage in a respectable debate, can or should BC do anything in regards to his employment? Is debating one of the skills he should have for his position? Has he held his own in previous debates?
Just curious- not trying to imply I know the ‘correct’ answer since I don’t really have any background.
Mike, at 11:10 am EDT on August 29, 2007
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Withholding the Dinesh D’Souza/Alan Wolfe debate from public view may be an act of pragmatic mercy rather than an expression of crude censorship. I am sometimes taken aback at the lack of educational content in the discussions by those to whom intellectualism has been attributed. Intellectuals appear in a much better light in their writings where instantaneous repartee is not required.
Marvin McConoughey, at 9:40 am EDT on August 28, 2007