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Aug. 31, 2007
Over the past five years, the department of interdisciplinary studies has moved from school to school within Wayne State University. Soon, it may find a permanent resting place.
The budget and finance committee of Wayne State’s Board of Governors has approved a cost-cutting package that calls for, among other things, the elimination of the department. The measure must pass a full board vote next week.
Beyond being the center for collaborative teaching on campus, the department has seen as its role making college more accessible to many of Detroit’s traditionally underserved, older students who had dropped or stopped out. Nearly all of the roughly 700 undergraduates and 50 graduate students housed in the interdisciplinary program are over 21 — and many are in their 30s and 40s. Most are enrolled part time, roughly two-thirds are black and the majority are female, according to Roslyn Schindler, chair of the department.
With news of the potential closure comes a disagreement over whether those students will be adversely affected. Some inside the department say the move would greatly decrease the likelihood of adult learners coming to Wayne State and finishing their degrees.
“We are a cohesive undergraduate and master’s learning community, tailored specifically to adult students – an important group in our city,” Schindler said. “While there are adult students everywhere on campus, our department gives them the opportunity to go back into a college environment that’s nurturing and supportive. They aren’t thrown out into the entire university to fend for themselves.”
The department offers evening courses for students who work and Web-based classes for students with families. It runs seminars for those re-entering college or starting after a long break from education, and makes available advisers to help with the transition. Several students and recent graduates explain the importance of saving the department on its Web site, and a petition is also circulating.
It’s unclear what would happen to the department immediately if the plan goes through. Schindler said without this structure in place, she expects up to half of the students enrolled to eventually transfer out. Not so, according to Nancy Barrett, Wayne State’s provost and senior vice president for academic affairs. She said the potential changes would lead to cuts in the administrative structure but not in instruction or help for students.
Night classes operate throughout the campus, Barrett said, and 14,000 of the 32,000 students at Wayne State attend part time. The advisers in interdisciplinary studies — along with more than two dozen faculty and staff — would stay at the institution and move into other departments. Many of the same classes would be offered in different colleges. While the degrees in interdisciplinary studies would be terminated, students would most likely be able to choose from other degrees that were in effect at the time of their admission.
Still, Schindler said some faculty wouldn’t fit neatly into an existing department and some courses would find no home. For instance, she’s doubtful that an introduction to academic writing class she teaches to those re-entering the university would find a place elsewhere.
Barrett said the potential move is part of cost cutting happening across campus — necessitated by a state budget crisis that’s forcing Wayne State to eliminate millions in spending. The university estimates that it will save $220,000 in administrative costs by shuttering the department.
In an effort to keep tuition down, the university decided to eliminate what it deemed duplicative programs. Interdisciplinary study can be found throughout the institution, according to Barrett, and students can get this degree program without having a department.
But those within interdisciplinary studies say the type of education it offers isn’t the same as what’s offered outside, and that budgetary savings could have come without killing the department.
While news of the potential closure surprised some in the department, there have been no shortage of major changes announced over the past several years. Interdisciplinary studies had been under the umbrella of Wayne State’s lifelong learning college until it was dissolved in 2002. The department then moved to the College of Urban, Labor and Metropolitan Affairs, which was shut in 2005 (again for budgetary reasons, the university said). Since then, the College and Liberal Arts and Science has been the department’s home.
At the time of the urban college’s closure, critics of the university’s move said it symbolized a national trend of universities disengaging from low-income students. The college offered advising and academic programs for minority students, first-generation students, those holding full-time jobs and those who had dropped out of college years ago.
Bill Lynch, an associate professor in the science and technology division of the department of interdisciplinary students, said he has long noticed antipathy toward the program.
“There’s an impression out there that we are giving a second-rate education to those who don’t deserve it,” he said. “Some don’t like us because we teach part-time students who might not otherwise have a chance to be at the university. But what you’re dealing with is a breakdown in the public schools. Some students might have been disheartened by the experience and gotten lousy grades. This is a chance to find their way.”
Lynch said that while Wayne State has looked to attract traditional-age students and those from out of state, its commitment to older students has wavered.
Barrett disagrees. “The whole university is committed to a diverse student body, and that includes adults,” she said. “It has been tough going with budget cuts, but accessibility continues to be important to us.”
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My question is, what specific programs seem to be most effected. Are the programs related to Adult education or literacy programs? Does the university see the problematic area with curruculum or employment readiness? Are the students transitioning into careers as a result of the completed programs or does the univeristy find itself providing education for continued learning unrelated to career advancement?
Sheila Y. Milan, Coordinator/Instructor, at 11:00 am EDT on August 31, 2007
Call me old fashioned or a crumudgeon, but when I rad the following “does the univeristy [sic] find itself providing education for continued learning unrelated to career advancement?” I cringe.
I cringe at the implicit commodification of education and learning. I bemoan the simplistic connnection made between learning and job.
Most importantly, I cringe at the systemic dismissal of a large number of people attempting to better their economic and social positions exactly as they have been promised by the “use your bootstraps folks” preachers..until the preachers have to confront different social/economic classes and people of color in their classes and lives.
theron, at 1:05 pm EDT on August 31, 2007
Interdisciplinary curriculum draws in many disciplines, observing issues from various angles. I also found the courses to provide an intimate class setting with a cohort of adults, as well as good mentoring, and advising. Courses were structured to provide open discussion on topics.
Clearly, success builds upon success, and many adults move on beyond a Bachelor degree. This program works, and has had incresed enrollment while operating on a low budget. Further, Many adult students thrive in an Interdisciplinary teaching environment, and find that I.S. promotes creative thinking, as one is considering many angles to a topic. I thought we wanted creative thinkers in society? Cutting I.S. degrees is going to have a large impact on Wayne’s law school, and other area law schools. Many quality candidates are those with interdisciplinary degrees.
I am a top student at Wayne, Bachelor-Summa Cum Laude 2005, in Technical and Interdisciplinary Studies, and 3.9 as a graduate student in I.S. I also hold an Associate in Applied Arts & Sciences — Advertising Design 1986 from St. Clair Community, Port Huron, Michigan. I was beginning to line myself up for a Ph.D. in anthropology at Wayne, and had taken three additional courses at Wayne meeting requirments. I was strongly encouraged by I.S. professors to pursue higher education.I had even interviewed with anthropology professors at Wayne, and taking prepatory courses out of loyalty to Wayne, such as; a Chinese language course, introduction to anthropology course. I also completed two study abroad courses through Wayne. Again, the major root to my success was the foundation of the Bachelor of Interdisciplinary Studies Degree.
If Wayne State cannot support its urban mission, supporting the community of adult workers, I cannot support an institution that does not support its neighbor. Wayne is crimping opportunity for adult learners who return to college after the stops in life. I will go shopping for my Ph.D. at U of M, or State, or perhaps elswhere online if Wayne cannot go back to the table and save the Interdisciplinary degrees. Additionally, I am the mother of an eight-year-old, and aunt to several that I will encourage to attend another university. It’s not good public policy to remove a successful, community rooted program that works.
Karen Crorey, Graduate Student at Wayne State, at 1:25 pm EDT on September 1, 2007
PS suggests that we are being cut because we are unable to demonstrate learning outcomes. This is laughable—we can, few other departments can, but they do not care. If PS had checked the web site referenced in the article, he would find numerous internal and external reports documenting outcomes, as well as testimony from our students regarding precisely how the department has advanced their careers and approach to life. They just don’t want to teach part-time, working adults from Detroit. This is a racist and classist attack on the people of the Detroit metro area. I don’t know how to be more clear than that. The administration has lied time and again about our program and they have no interest in addressing issues like African-American graduation rates, which at the rest of Wayne are atrocious.
Bill Lynch, at 4:55 pm EDT on September 1, 2007
PS is correct that in 2007 higher education like other institutions should be assessed by results. The Interdisciplinary Studies Department at WSU has demonstrated its own success in two self-studies conducted since 2000. These measure the success of programs on multiple dimensions and involve independent external reviewers from other universities. Indeed, the most recent of those reviewers was headed up by a former colleague of WSU’s Provost Nancy Barrett from the University of Alabama. The Department of Interdisciplinary studies came through with flying colors as an innovative program educating and graduating predominantly African American students (70% of who are African American) consistent with WSUs urban mission in a city with some 86% African Americans. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for Wayne State University. Results-based measures, such as those provided by the Educational Trust, show that WSU has the second lowest graduation rate at 33.1% among 15 comparable universities, but its African American graduation rate is 11% and its African American male graduation rate is 4.9%. This is the lowest rate among 31 similar institutions. It means that 95.1% of African American males registering for degrees at WSU will not graduate from the institution. Now in a city with 86% African Americans this is as Bill Lynch says, atrocious. What business would be allowed to continue to function with a 95% failure rate, especially when comparable schools in inner cities are much more effective graduating 30-45% of their African American students. Instead of cutting the one program that supports African American students to graduation, WSU ought to be adding 10 more, and replicating the quality education provided for African Americans by a dedicated faculty who know how to make urban higher education work.
So why is WSU under Provost Nancy Barrett cutting this highly successful program, This is not, as PS implies, because of cultural differences between the 1960s attitudes towards creative higher education and the present. Rather it is because of a multi-layered set of political and ideological reasons. First it has to do with a shift in urban research universities away from serving the working commuter student on whose tuition-dollar backs these universities rose, to increasingly serving residential students who bring more money over a shorter time span and spend not only tuition dollars but housing, food, and entertainment dollars. It is not insignificant that they also bring their out of city GPAs that raise the academic profile of the school. As former WSU President David Adamany noted in discussing Temple University’s plan to make similar changes: Temple is abandoning its urban working class students in a search for “better students” and a Renaissance in Research. This involves Temple, under President Adamany’s direction, building halls of residence to house its out-of-city students. In short as Temple’s Director of Admissions said in 2005: access is the kiss of death for these kind of universities.
Second, there is an attach on undergraduate interdisciplinary programs nationwide which is partly rooted in the disciplinary hegemony of the disciplinary based departmental structure of universities, partly based in the hierarchies of knowledge that rank subject areas based on their disciplinary purity, partly based on the perceived danger that integrating knowledge presents to linear, single paradigm thinkers, and partly ironically due to the success of interdisciplinary studies, which has grown from a mere 7,000 students graduating a year in 1970s to 27,000 a year presently (a pattern established in the mid-1990s) according to data from the National Center for Educational Statistics. Not only is interdisciplinary ascendancy challenging disciplinary hegemony in undergraduate education, but major grant funding agencies are pressuring grant writers to escape the tethers of their disciplinary cages and think interdisciplinarily or risk no getting funded. In the face of such challenges, disciplinary based departments, or the faculties that defend their boundaries, and Deans who decide on their relative resources have moved to take back their territory from the experimentally innovative faculty that traverse their borders. Tight times are dangers for these “others” of education, especially were dollars, and politics are involved.
Finally, there is local politics and local personalities; at WSU there have been faculty who have dedicated their academic energies to defeating the ghost of former president David Adamany who made innovative changes at WSU, including: weakening the traditional power of disciplines by dividing the College of Arts and Sciences into two Colleges; creating the Humanities Programs; creating the College of Urban, Labor,and Metropolitan Affairs that drew highly qualified faculty nationwide to work on urban and labor problems in urban Detroit, and yes, creating the College of Lifelong Learning that for 30 years served working Detroiters with cutting-edge innovative degree programs in interdisciplinary studies. All of these have now gone, and Arts and Sciences is now one College. Interdisciplinary Studies and Humanities represent the last programs from the Adamany era restructuring that the local politics has left to destroy. When it does so in next Thursday September 6, WSU Board of Governors vote on the state imposed budget cuts, the people of Detroit will have lost a major asset, the local politicians and the present administration will have won a hollow victory, the hegemony of disciplinary knowledge will have disciplined interdisciplinarity and higher education in America will be diminished.
Stuart Henry, former chair of the Department of Interdisciplinary Studies, WSU.
Stuart Henry, Director, School of Public Affairs at Wayne State University, at 2:15 pm EDT on September 3, 2007
My current affiliation is San Diego State University not Wayne State University.
Stuart Henry, Director, School of Public Affairs at San Diego State University, at 2:35 am EDT on September 4, 2007
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how can anyone be surprised
The interdisciplinary idea is interesting and we can all be fairly certain that everyone involved works hard and has good intentions. In spite of that, I am consistently surprised by departments that are adept at articulating what they do or the courses they offer, but lack the ability to articulate what their students have actually learned (and to be public about it), and then be shocked when their budgets are reduced or the whole program/department is eliminated.
This is the new reality of higher education. Fight it, ignore it, deny it, or complain about it all you want — it won’t matter. No one longer assumes that students learn just because you have a printed brochure with a list of courses and anecdotal comments from students about how the program changed their lives. The 60’s and 70’s are over. Welcome to 2007.
PS, at 10:15 am EDT on August 31, 2007