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Dealing With ‘Job Outs’

At first glance, the process seems to be working as intended. Students enter work force development programs looking to begin or jump-start a career. Many are sought after, recruited and leave with a job.

But in some cases, the offers come shortly after the students begin their programs, meaning that they haven’t had a chance to earn a certificate or associate degree. This, educators worry, prevents students from reaching their long term career goals.

And for colleges, the implications are far-reaching. Beyond the revenue impact of losing students mid-year without being able to replace them, certain programs end up with low completion rates. That gets the attention of college trustees and state legislators, who may threaten to shut down the programs.

Jan Bray, executive director of the Association for Career and Technical Education, said an increasing number of the group’s members have expressed concern about the so-called “job out” trend in recent years. Because of the rising demand for skilled workers, particularly in technical fields, employers are plucking students from training programs with some frequency.

“Industry in our area is concerned with the bottom line — getting the employees in when needed,” said David Hughes, associate vice president for technical education at National Park Community College, in Arkansas.

The question posed to Hughes and another two-year college president during a panel discussion at a U.S. Chamber of Commerce convention on education and the work force: Are businesses, with these hiring practices, undermining the efforts of community and technical colleges and cutting into the supply of highly trained workers?

Bray said the perception of some programs — particularly in high-demand fields such as information technology — has been hurt by early recruitment. In a 60-credit-hour program, it’s not uncommon now for only 25 percent of students to complete degree requirements. The high turnover rate complicates a college’s operations, Bray said, and forces directors to justify their programs to trustees — though they usually are able to make the case for keeping them.

“People crunch the numbers and it doesn’t look good,” she said. “Everyone has to understand the story beneath the facts and figures.”

Hughes, despite noting the “job out” trend, doesn’t blame companies. He said colleges need to respond by offering shorter certificate programs for students who feel pressure to earn more right away.

Bryan Albrecht, president of Gateway Technical College, in Wisconsin, said the college has done just that. It offers intensive employment training programs, most lasting several months, and it holds some classes at business sites to attract the evening student attending part time.

Several of his programs in the manufacturing field have been hit hard by the early raids. Up to 50 percent of students in a given cohort will leave before graduating — many with job offers. Of those who “job out,” he estimates that about half end up eventually completing their program requirements.

Both Hughes and Albrecht said they try to make staying enrolled more attractive by allowing students to take paid internships or by setting up apprenticeships. And they said their colleges make a point of aligning their programs to fit the needs of the local work force — which in many cases comes down to consulting with manufacturing companies.

The presidents say they understand that they simply will not hold on to some students. “It’s a difficult position for us to say that if you stay for two years you’ll get a better job when they can get a job for $20 an hour now,” Hughes said.

Still, the relationship between the colleges and local businesses can often seem one-sided, with the institutions consulting companies on course content and lab equipment and the companies taking some of the top students away before they finish a given program. But Albrecht said the parties hold more of a symbiotic relationship. For instance, if a business recruits two of his students away early, he will ask company officials to recommend or even find two candidates to replace them.

It’s also give-and-take with faculty retention, he said. Colleges invest in labs only to lose faculty members to industry jobs. But he said colleges do plenty of recruiting at companies as well, searching for candidates to teach either part- or full-time.

Elia Powers

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Hiring while students are in school

This article highlights what many of us have been saying: a college degree is not necessary to work. Not all students should go to college; those who want to work, are motivated in their field(s), should be hired and trained for it specifically. Later, when students are motivated for enjoyment and self-improvement, they will be better and more interested students, and perhaps training for another job. The escalating need for paper certificates has lowered the value of the diploma and dumbed-down the work done in college, creating a vicious cycle requiring more years of training. Let’s go for on-the-job training!

LM, at 7:55 am EDT on September 26, 2007

Second to LM

We should all understand that this is not a bad thing. There are students that are very well capable and can continue to improve themselves.

For higher ed industries, they simply need to define a better measure of success. And if they truly believe in education and their duty to public, they should offer alternative way to issue that piece of paper to students instead of insisting them to sit in class (e.g. allow test-out) and pay for those sitting time.

Here are some of my thoughts along this line: http://www.mindedwebs.com/CL/CLWk...k/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=26

Duncan, at 9:50 am EDT on September 26, 2007

Government Regulations

The way that the federal government handles financial aid and defines graduation rates has a strong impact on these issues. Just taking courses without being enrolled in a degree-program is typically not eligible for aid. This leads to students enrolling in programs that they might never complete, which in turn influences graduation rates. Colleges have to work within the structures created by the government.

Chris Davis, at 11:20 am EDT on September 26, 2007

Why is anyone surprised? Just about every report we read these days criticizes colleges and universities for not preparing students for jobs. Government no longer values education for self-enrichment or for its own sake. So this is a success story. All we have to do is give the government what it wants and change the measuring stick for institutional educational success from program completion to job placement. Post-secondary educational institutions will just become a new kind of factory turning out trained widgets to serve as interchangeable parts in our global economy.

MK, at 12:10 pm EDT on September 27, 2007

College Not the Way to Go...

For those seeking skill intensive IT jobs, college is perhaps the worst way to acquire the skills, if for no other reason than by the time you finish college, the skills you have learned have already become outdated. Who wants to spend 40k+ to attend a 2-4 yr. IT College, only then to have to spend another 10k to earn the most up to date certifications. An Accelerated 4 to 6 month Certification program is definitely the way to go.

Matt McGrath, at 1:30 pm EDT on September 27, 2007

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