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October 4, 2007

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A new Army program under development would essentially offer college credit for on-the-job training soldiers receive.

“If a guy did [information technology] in the army, wouldn’t it be nice if he could go to work with most of his degree done?” said Maj. Mark Van Hout, spokesman for the U.S. Army Accessions Command. “Or a medic? Wouldn’t it be nice if they could use their medic training toward a nurse’s degree, or a physician’s assistant degree?”

“I’m not saying when that soldier gets out, they’d be a physician’s assistant, but that they’d get credit for that.”

Details of the program, still very much in its conceptual phase, are hazy. First discussed publicly during a Tuesday morning meeting between Lt. Gen. Benjamin Freakley and Pentagon reporters, the “College of the American Soldier” would theoretically allow a long-serving soldier to leave the army with a bachelor’s or associate degree. The army would assign credit to certain experiences on a soldier’s record -- leadership training for an officer, for instance -- throughout his or her time in service, Van Hout says.

In its fetal form, the program seems to share some of the same facets as civilian initiatives -- typically institution-specific -- to offer credit for adult learners for knowledge gained through work experience and prior on-the-job training, typically after they've been tested on their knowledge. Such efforts focus on fulfilling workforce development needs and making college more accessible by lessening the time to degree -- but are resisted by some colleges that want students to complete their coursework directly through the institution.

“Not that they’re not going to have that experience anyway, but that soldier, going into civilian life, they’re not going to spend as much time getting a degree that they already have some credit for. They’re going to become an asset" to their employers more quickly, Major Van Hout says.

Major Van Hout could not offer details regarding a timetable or any collaboration with colleges, but in his remarks Tuesday, General Freakley said the program would likely begin in February 2008, according to Stars and Stripes. He told the military publication that the Army is now “working with colleges to get our training programs certified.”

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Comments on A Soldier's College

  • Army Credit
  • Posted by CJProf on October 4, 2007 at 12:00pm EDT
  • "The army would assign credit to certain experiences on a soldier’s record —"

    Should academia be telling the military what we think recruits have already learned from us, and therefore do not need the training in that area? Training and Education go well together, but are not interchangable.

    Why is it that these career soldiers don't pursue a college degree while on active duty? Many of us have earned advanced degrees while working full time.

    As I said previously, I have nothing against our soldiers getting a break (allow them full tuition remission at any college for which they qualify..I think they have earned that), but this is merely a money maker. Education takes a back seat again to profits.

  • Academic Credit for Productive Service
  • Posted by Marybeth Mitts on October 4, 2007 at 12:00pm EDT
  • This sort of program is long overdue. In my experience, most young people coming out of the military have incredibly valuable skills to contribute to the workforce. Noticeable among these: punctuality, completing work assigned, sense of work ethic, ability to multitask, resourcefulness, ability to communicate verbally and in writing. If some intermediate test like the GRE could be administered upon separation from the service, then credit could be granted based on test performance; an associate's degree or better as the case may be. This country should offer this sort of academic carrot to these young men and women. For many of them, this is the most viable way to enter the workforce with "credentials."

  • could be a good thing
  • Posted by bradley bleck , instructor at Spokane Falls CC on October 4, 2007 at 12:00pm EDT
  • This sort of thing could work out well for enlisted men and women and non-commissioned officers. We offer classes at the local air base, as many CC's do at the military installations in their areas. Mostly it is spouses and the enrollments are low. Allowing these men and women to count some of what they do on the job would likely encourage them to take courses in the humanities and social sciences as well courses that fit their area of interest, whether the class is on base or off. Though this education wouldn't be comparable to what their officers receive at the academies or from some other institution, it would go a long way toward leveling the educational playing field, offering many more opportunities to those who are generally having to postpone education while serving.

  • Posted by John Marlin at The College of St. Elizabeth on October 4, 2007 at 12:25pm EDT
  • If nothing else, ex-GI's deserve credit -- lots of it -- for phys ed.

  • Been there, done that.
  • Posted by Timothy D Blevins , Professor at Florida A&M University, College of Law on October 4, 2007 at 1:00pm EDT
  • Every institution that I have attended or taught at has subscribed to the CLEP. Physical education should not be a college level course unless the student will teach in that subject area or receive a degree in that area but, that issue aside, military personnel can always challenge CLEP for academic credit. SOme of my buddies from my military stint received 30 cr-hrs. worth of college credit. Any more than that should be taken under review by an academic committee at the enrolled institution.

  • Posted by Bob Choat on October 4, 2007 at 2:15pm EDT
  • Having served 8 years in the Marines, I learned from my experience that the leadership and mission-focused skills I developed helped me more in running my businesses than the MBA I earned. Still, there were many aspects of the MBA that I didn't get in the Marines that would be useful as an executive. I agree that there were a lot of classes that I took in the Marines that should be translated to college credit. Again, the experience in that environment was invaluable to me.

  • A Soldier's College"
  • Posted by John L. Cusack , Executive Director at NJ Higher Education Partnership for Sustainability on October 4, 2007 at 2:30pm EDT
  • My son Matthew, who is in the US Air Force, recently received his Associates degree from the "Commuinity College of the Air Force", based upon prior college credits he had earned before enlisting, training courses he had taken, and distance learning courses he took while in the Air Force. Will the the Army plan be similar to the existing Air Force program?

  • Army College
  • Posted by Sally on October 4, 2007 at 2:55pm EDT
  • This sounds like a CLEP-program. Almost all colleges, except the IVY league colleges have a way for the student to "test" out of a course. It sounds like a CLEP test. In any event, the Army specialist should be able to take certification exams also to prove their skill.

  • A Soldier's College
  • Posted by Robert Sprague , Director at West Los Angeles College on October 4, 2007 at 3:30pm EDT
  • Such a college service is warranted to support personnel who have both work skills and in most cases valuable technical skills that are at least equal to career and vocational education students receive from community colleges and universities. In terms of time, this service gives service members recognition for their training and should enable them to have advanced placement into the degree plan at the college of their choice.

  • War-fighting: An important skill set
  • Posted by Leigh Meyers on October 4, 2007 at 3:35pm EDT
  • War-fighting WILL be an important skill set & subject of study in the New World Police State.

    It's good to see the Pentagon is making sure our country is competitive with every other major military dictatorship in the world.

  • The process for this exists!
  • Posted by Henry - Indiana Prof on October 4, 2007 at 3:55pm EDT
  • The process by which military education and training is evaluated for college credit is the College Credit Recommendation Service provided by the American Council on Education. Go to this URL: http://www.acenet.edu

    Select the drop down menu for Programs and Services from the top bar and the choose College Credit Recommendation Service.

    Let's not reinvent the wheel for once!!

  • Posted by Drake Carter at Bismarck State College on October 5, 2007 at 9:40am EDT
  • My three years in the Army were a lifetime ago, but I can certainly say that between the training I received and work experience they were every bit the equivalent of an AAS degree. I don't know if every soldier's experience is the same, or how 35 years may have changed the military, but I think this program and others currently in place in the military are excellent ways of giving soldiers a helping hand as they transition back to civilian life. I'm all for it!

  • Injustice
  • Posted by John , Professor Military Studies at Ohio on October 12, 2007 at 4:20pm EDT
  • As a veteran and huge supporter of the military I believe that soldiers should receive proper consideration for their verifiable skills. Noncommissioned officers know more about leadership than any Harvard graduate but this sounds like more of a retention tool than anything else to me. Giving Sergeant's and soldiers "honorary" degrees does nothing to prepare them for what awaits them in corporate America. If the Army truly cares about the welfare and professional development of their enlisted soldiers, they will factor in time for soldiers to attend classes. Officers are given the opportunity to attend Graduate school and receive Captain or Major's pay while "serving" as a college student. Sergeant's and soldiers are afforded no comparable plan or incentive. Ironically, there are senior NCO's who routinely remain in leadership positions for 5-20 years while your typical Lieuteneant Colonel has 6-7 years of collective command time leading soldiers.

  • Give Soldiers a Break
  • Posted by Jim , President at JAC STENN Inc on November 23, 2007 at 8:45pm EST
  • Too many colleges require unnecessary courses which are hard for soldiers to complete especially when soldiers have already spent countless hours of training learning what they need to know. Probably for every 1000 hours of military training a soldier will earn one semester hour credit even at the most liberal SOCAD colleges. Colleges are more interested in making money off our soldiers rather than recognizing what the soldiers have learned. Probably most Ph.D's don't even come close to knowing what many sergeants in the military know. If you want to take a risk, follow a soldier.