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Oct. 25, 2007
Ever wonder what goes on behind closed doors on Greek row? A communications professor provides such a look in Inside Greek U.: Fraternities, Sororities, and the Pursuit of Pleasure, Power and Prestige, just published by the University of Kentucky Press. Alan D. DeSantis, who teaches at the University of Kentucky, is both a tough critic and defender of the Greek system. While much in the book may embarrass fraternity and sorority members, and worry plenty of administrators, DeSantis is no abolitionist. He is a fraternity alumnus and dedicates the book “to my brothers.”
Many of the expected topics are covered in the book — hazing, drinking and so forth. But there is also considerable detail on gender roles, not all of which meet stereotypes. Fraternity members’ concerns about body image (their own) is portrayed as extreme. The sisterhood of sorority life is portrayed as including enough cruelty to suggest that when the Mean Girls graduate from high school, they rush. Anyone labeled an ORT (for “operation remove tool") must be rejected from the sorority for being “fat, ugly, unattractive.” However some sorority sisters like having one (and apparently it is important never to have more than one) DUFF (for “designated ugly fat friend") to make the other sorority sisters look more attractive.
DeSantis does not identify the university where he observed Greek life up close, but the characteristics he reveals sound like Kentucky, where he teaches. He responded to questions about his book, via e-mail:
Q: What can you say about Greek U.? It sounds like the university where you teach. Is it?
A: The use of the pseudonym was strategic for two reasons. First, it is one of many identifying markers (names, organizations, specific events, etc.) that was changed to help protect my subjects’ anonymity. Second, and perhaps more important, the use of “Greek U.” (GU) was used to encourage readers to think more generally about my findings and to contemplate the similarities and differences between my university and theirs. While some minor aspects of my book will be campus specific, I believe that the major motifs of masculinity and femininity embraced and re-produced by GU’s fraternity and sorority members will resonate with many.
What I can tell you about Greek U. is that it is a large, American public university (25,000-30,000 students), with approximately 40 Greek organizations, sponsoring 3,000 active Greek members (around 13 percent of the full-time undergraduate population). The majority of undergraduate students on campus range in age from 18 to 25, have an incoming high school GPA of 3.1, an average ACT score of 25 or an average SAT score of 1,100, and are from a white, middle-class family. GU is geographically located in the northwestern section of the American Southeast and is a member of a major NCAA sports conference.
Q: Given your Greek background, what surprised you the most?
A: As an ethnographic researcher, I was pleasantly surprised by how warm and welcoming my Greek subjects were. Even when it came to answering the hard, uncomfortable questions, these young men and women were open and honest about themselves, their organizations, and the Greek system in general.
As a Greek alumnus, I was surprised how little these gendered organizations have changed since I pledged a quarter century ago. While much of the underage binge drinking and hazing has been forced underground in recent years, the fundamental elements that comprise our culture’s ideas of masculinity and femininity have remained disturbingly stable.
With that said, however, I was also pleasantly surprised how some of the young men and women I spoke with viewed their culturally assigned gender roles with skepticism. While on the surface, they may have played the polite game of compliance, in thoughtful and safe conversations, these same students challenged the limiting and oppressive effects of traditional gender assignments on their lives. Contrary to what classical ideological scholars have said, not everyone is blindly duped by the patriarchy.
Finally, if pressed to point to specific Greek behaviors that most surprised me since my days of living in my fraternity house (1982-86), two initially come to mind. The first is how oral sex has been re-defined by both men and women to be something other (less intimate) than sex. Many females in my study, for example, claim to engage in oral sex but still consider themselves virgins. For the men, oral sex is an expected second step in the casual dating ritual that comes after kissing and before vaginal intercourse.
Second, I was amazed at how body conscious many of the young men in my study have become. In the most coveted and elite house, for example, the majority of brothers work out (primarily by lifting weights), take supplements, shave their body hair, and go to tanning beds. Chiseled, muscular, and well groomed bodies have become the norm. In an ironic twist of gender equality, men are quickly becoming as obsessed over their body shape and size as their female counterparts. The significant difference, however, is that he is getting bigger and she is getting smaller.
Q: You devote considerable attention to gender roles. Would Greek life be better in a coed system?
A: Ideally, I would like to see greater choices and options for all our students. In this respect, the idea of a coeducational Greek organization is an interesting option to ponder, albeit one that I have not seriously investigated yet. My hope would be that mixed gender organizations would celebrate the best of masculinity and femininity and empower members to challenge and expand their traditional behavior scripts.
When done right, however, I am also a believer in the power of same-sex Greek organizations in transforming boys and girls into responsible young adults. There are some meaningful life experiences that can only happen when college aged men and women are separated from each other.
Q: Given all the problems you note, why do you end the book with a call for reform instead of abolition?
A: Interestingly, this is a question that has caused some of the most intense, but thoughtful, debate. This question has been raised most often by non-Greeks who are only aware of the deleterious effects of Greek life on college campuses. From my perspective, the Greek experience has meant too much to me, and to thousands of others that I have known, to turn my back on it now. It introduced me to many of the most important people in my life, taught me how to be a loyal and selfless friend, and gave me the freedom, confidence, and safety to take big chances and make big mistakes. Consequently, instead of its eradication, I am championing measures that will move the Greek system closer toward the higher ideals envisioned by its founding fathers and mothers. Long before toga and tailgate parties ever became staples in Greek life, these visionary men and women wanted to form societies where members were encouraged to debate the merits of philosophical, literary, scientific, and artistic ideas, augment the formal in-class lessons of the day, improve the human condition through philanthropic work, and enjoy good food, drink, and conversation with kindred minds and souls.
While I am aware that turning back the clock to the 19th century is a foolish and impossible aspiration, I believe that it is a reasonable goal to re-craft the behavioral scripts of the Greek system so that there are greater gender possibilities for its members. With such a change, the Greek experience would no longer stifle students’ potential, but expand the opportunities available to them.
If managed well, in fact, these organizations, with their protective cultures, have the potential of creating an even safer and more supportive climate for change than society in general. Within the borders of their houses, brothers and sisters could ideally challenge many of the conventions of the status quo without fear of ridicule or reprisal from a less enlightened and more dogmatic culture. While a bit corny, the film The Dead Poets Society comes to mind as a model of what an inspiring faculty member and a group of students who thirst for both friendship and enlightenment can create. Along with smoking cigarettes and chasing girls, the young protagonists of the film also found support and safety in their secret order to dream, debate, and think outside the restrictions of their repressive school and society. Balancing the social with the intellectual, these boys, through their fraternal experience, actually expanded their notions of what a man can do and be.
Q: What are the top things college administrators should be doing about their Greek systems?
A: At the risk of offending university administrators around the country, start doing your job! I believe that most of you who are involved with student life, especially at large public universities, are aware of what is happening on Greek row. The general strategy used in managing these organizations is often the all too familiar, “don’t ask, don’t tell” approach: As long as the Greeks do not draw attention to their activities, administrators look the other way. When a sorority or fraternity attracts parental, legal, or media attention, however, these same complacent administrators will publicly demonstrate their “tough on Greeks” persona to appease and impress critics. But such posturing at most universities only comes after the rare, well-publicized rape or death on campus.
If significant change is going to take place within these organizations, a far more proactive approach must be adopted by administrators. These are the only stakeholders, after all, that have the power to demand change and suspend or expel members and organizations for non-compliance. Regardless of how politically or financially imprudent it may be, they must make the hard choices and hold the Greek-student body accountable to the higher ideas of university life. For what it is worth, here are some of my thoughts:
I wish I had the magic-bullet suggestion that would solve the Greek problem, painlessly and effortlessly. Unfortunately, when attempting to transform something as hegemonically stubborn as gender, no such remedy exists. Masculinity and femininity have been slowly evolving over thousands of years, shaped (or misshaped) by power, environment, biology, superstition, law, war, imperialism, disease, religion, and MTV, and nothing short of a cataclysm is going to dramatically alter its glacier-paced movement.
Consequently, my suggestions focus on a form of grass-roots activism, where concerned stakeholders, working in tandem, begin to affect small, localized sites where toxic ideas of gender are normalized through repetitive and rewarded performances. To borrow an adage from the environmentalists, our only hope is to “think globally, act locally — one person at a time.” While we may not have the revolutionary power to alter universal ideas of equality and justice, we can begin to change the people who may eventually influence the course of such ideas.
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Even the best “managed” Greek system run by the most responsible administrators is simply a way of reproducing the status quo and maintaining current power and class relationships on campus and beyond. The Greek system is an anti-democratic, anti-egalitarian, and above all anti-intellectual anachronism.
Ann Arc, at 8:45 am EDT on October 25, 2007
Huh?
Whom else do you not associate with in your personal and professional life?
Full Monty Hall, at 8:50 am EDT on October 25, 2007
Boy Larry, making (or more accurate reinforcing) a conclusion even before reading the full book...glad to know that you will read the book with the notion to gain new knowledge and insights on the subject...
Bob, at 8:50 am EDT on October 25, 2007
I will try to read this book. I know DeSantis as a colleague and even consider him a friend. I suspect his book is well researched and written. I expect his study to add to the small body of knowledge about Greek life. However, from his interview with InsideHigherEd I am afraid that his study is not of Greek life, but of White (students) Greek life. I hope he has qualified his study accordingly. Unfortunately, if he has focused exclusively on White Greeks, he probably has missed an oportunity to expose one of the greatest ills of the entire Greek system on most colleges and universities: That is the de-facto segregation that exists on most campuses. White and Black Greeks inhabit very different worlds and universities condone and support this by instituting separate governing bodies. Just as DeSantis is concerned with the sexism, excessive drinking and other ills of his Greek partners, I too am concerned about physical and mental hazing, sexism, and excessive violence among my brothers and sisters. Unfortunately, I fear that Alan’s book can only help us with part of the problem. Despite the title of his book suggesting otherwise, I hope he practices truth in advertising.
Dwight Brooks, Professor and Chair at Jackson State University, at 8:50 am EDT on October 25, 2007
Glad to see that the minds that our shaping our generation of tomorrow and closed and intolerant. There is a reason that so many people hold on dearly to their memories of life with their Fraternities or Sororities and that is not because of the booze or parties that took place, but rather the ideals that it instilled in us to strive for and how they still affect all of us to this very day. True, some organizations within the Greek Community on every campus are problematic but some are truly living up to their founders dreams for the organization. Before being closed-minded and just shutting yourselves off to them — why do you not first try reaching out to help what you think and hate most about them...our Greek Advisor did and the men of my chapter all better off having him as a friend and mentor in our lives during and well-beyond our college years.
Collin, at 9:30 am EDT on October 25, 2007
I had the privilege of seeing an advance copy of this book, and as a former greek I think the author hits several things right on the head. Obviously things vary campus to campus — my experience at a small liberal arts college was different from the large greek system of a major university. I concur with his statement that while the greek system is in need of reform, abolition is not the answer. I know I gained much from my association with intelligent, ambitious, like-minded young women in my undergraduate years. My own greek experience definitely had its ups and downs socially, but I can’t say that the peer pressure was anything different than I experienced in high school, where informal groups formed. Contemporary attitudes toward sex and alcohol are *not* exclusive to greek communities. Is being greek for everyone? No. Does the system need improvement? Yes. Is it worth keeping? Definitely.
Grown-up Greek, at 9:35 am EDT on October 25, 2007
It’s tiring, as a student affairs professional, to hear the silo-driven admonitions from faculty that administrators “have to get the students under control.” I do admit that the administrative duties fall to student affairs but there are lots of educative strategies that are far more effective when undertaken by a coalition of college constituents — faculty, administrators, alumni, et al. Faculty bristle at suggestions that they should be on campus early for orientation activities or that they should re-evaluate syllabi to incorporate proven new techniques or even subject matter. With all due respect to the AAUP, we’re all responsible for the total education of our students and the lines are blurring in light of what students learn in as well as out of the classroom. Please don’t place the mantle fully on administrators’ shoulders when we all have a stake in students’ development.
partner, at 10:10 am EDT on October 25, 2007
“societies where members were encouraged to debate the merits of philosophical, literary, scientific, and artistic ideas, augment the formal in-class lessons of the day, improve the human condition through philanthropic work, and enjoy good food, drink, and conversation with kindred minds and souls.”
Yup. I’m sure that’s the purpose of the Bloods and the Crips, too.
How many have they victimized?, at 12:05 pm EDT on October 25, 2007
When I served on the faculty senate at my institution & we had problems with the Greek system, I could count on the student life people to show up en masse in order to paper over the problems in the system & simply talk us into submission. Don’t talk to me about silos & educational partnership.
Ann Arc, at 12:10 pm EDT on October 25, 2007
As a greek alum and a former greek advisor, I know that with university faculty that are alums actively involved as advisors, the greek system provides wonderful opportunities for personal and professional growth and leadership training. Instead of criticizing — we need to be part of the solution.
Susan B. Brown, at 12:10 pm EDT on October 25, 2007
Let me see if I understand this correctly...
Mr. DeSantis collects qualitative data at one institution and believes he is justified to make knowledge claims that apply to “university administrators around the country"?
A true ethnographic researcher would never attempt to make these claims. A journalist, I mean, communications professor, might, but not an ethnographic researcher.
The teaser about oral sex in this interview confirms for me that the book is a bodice-ripper rather than serious education research.
Dr. RingDing, at 12:15 pm EDT on October 25, 2007
...consider yourself lucky. Rice intentionally prohibits Greek-letter social clubs, for lack of a better term. We love it that way.
The Greek system is for those who, for whatever reason, just can’t let go of the public high school [sic] popularity contest.
Jon L. Albee, Graduate Student at Rice University, at 2:55 pm EDT on October 25, 2007
I was in a sorority years ago while I haven’t been an active alumni I appreciate the experience. During my first semester, the sorority proved me as way to be connected to the university I attended. Also, the sorority give me structure with the manadatory study halls. Our advisor was an English professor named Lady and she provided insightful wisdom and inspiration. She was the first PhD who I knew.
My sorority had girls from diverse backgrounds who majored in a wide variety of majors. The experience taught me that no one has a perfect life and how to talk to a variety of people from different walks of life.
I use what I learn from sorority in my professional life and pass on the advise to students on a daily basis.
The experience was not perfect, but it was valuable for me.
Melissa, at 4:30 pm EDT on October 25, 2007
“I can’t say that the peer pressure was anything different than I experienced in high school,”
Perhaps that is why there shouldn’t be sororities and fraternities. Perhaps people should get beyond high school.
Tanya, at 4:10 am EDT on October 26, 2007
It seems that this discussion is consistent with the majority of discussion regarding the greek system in that it serves to reinforce the quote “those on the inside can’t explain it, and those on the outside can’t understand it". And while this study certainly doesn’t cover all the bases in fully discussing all aspects of the greek community, there is some merit in at least beginning to address gender roles in the greek system. As someone whose college experience has been equally shaped by experiences with a fraternity and a sorority, this is definitly a worthwhile topic, albiet something that admittedly cannot be done justice as only a section of a book.
biology greek, at 12:55 pm EDT on October 26, 2007
Comparing the Greek System to violent gangs?! What’s next? Comparing book clubs to packs of wild dogs?
Shocked, at 1:00 pm EDT on October 26, 2007
I find it fasciating that individuals who have not read the book, or portray themselves as “professionals” would offer such comments as Ann Arc. The fraternity/sorority community is anti-democratic...anti-egalitarian....anti-intellectual? Huh? Apparently, Ms. Arc would deem student organizations worthy if they were only practicing Marxist theories. The only thing anti-intellectual are comments that do not offer constructive suggestions (other than to bulldoze all campus fraternal communinities to Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan.)
I would highly suggest that Ms. Arc and others get INVOLVED with students on their respective campuses, rather than offer such comments. Does she offer to sit down with fraternity and sorority leaders, or leaders of other student organzations and LISTEN to what is driving them; their issues, struggles, etc.? Has she explored many of the incredible leadership and chapter development programs from the national offices? Better yet, has she taken the time from her intellectual ivory tower to serve as a facilitator of such leadership workshops? Has she met with alumni and national office staff to see how she can be of assistance? No.....NONE of that was offered!
The fraternal community needs mentors (as do other student organizations.) It is easy to criticize....but takes REAL leadership, dedication and involvement in order to offer constructive suggestions; show HOW to build or make positive changes (rather than to tear down.) Ms. Arc and others are simply sniping...and show little if any of those leadership and intellectual traits....which is perhaps the biggest disconcerning anti-intellectual issue of all.
Greg Mason, at 11:20 am EDT on October 29, 2007
Joke name if I ever heard it. Being the male chauvanist, elitist, undemocratic, Red Stater that I am, I thought, bet she never kissed a boy in college.
Then it hit me, Ann-arc-kissed or Anarchist. And her retoric sounds like part of the script to the movie “PCU”
Secret_Society, at 12:50 pm EDT on October 29, 2007
as a journal editor who has published some of Dr. DeSantis’s work, I must comment that he is one of the best ethnographers in our field. He does careful, brilliant, insightful work that makes an important contribution to our understanding of social phenomena. I’m appalled that people would choose to judge his or anyone else’s work without reading it. It’s not at all true, as noted above by one responder, that ethnography typically looks at more than one communicative context. Dr. DeSantis is careful to NOT overgeneralize, but few ethnographies, even the classics, are concerned about generalizability in the way the responder above noted. Please read something before you comment on it!
Teresa Thompson, Professor at U of Dayton, at 11:05 pm EDT on October 29, 2007
Yes.....it is VERY dissapointing to read comments of so called “professionals"...when they have not read the book. Our Universities,students and professions (or specific areas of study) deserve better...MUCH better!
The comment from the grad student at Rice is one of the most narrow minded comments one could make. Yes...Rice, Notre Dame, and Oberlin are wonderful institutions that do not have Greek Communities....but his comment that they are better off is silly. That’s like saying Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts are not needed because they didn’t have those organizations in his home town. Just because you are not a part of it...doesn’t mean it doesn’t have merrit. I would expect a freshmen to make those comments...not someone in graduate school who should know better. I have heard every argument regarding fraternity/sorority life over the course of my career...it is quite easy to refute the vast majority of them.
The question still lies.....what are YOU doing to make a difference...to assist students on your campus in making the best choices....to get them involved in leadership positions (fraternity or otherwise)....etc?
Greg Mason, at 11:29 am EDT on October 30, 2007
It is amazing to me that in this discussion of supposed ‘educated individuals’ that people would be so critical of the choices that people that people make without the thought to stand up and provide assistance. I find that the women that I work with are some of the most open and are looking for advise and guidance. They are still after all, learning about life, and we have an obligation to teach what we can. How do you effectively teach with negativity and criticism unless that is all that you have known. And if that is the case, then I am sorry. If you have not been privileged enough to belong to a larger group that works toward the betterment of mankind, then I am truly sorry.
For those of us that are Greek Advisors, we volunteer our time because we believe that this is a system that has benefits and merit. These are multi-leveled organizations that provide unlimited opportunities to its members.
And I think that it is one of those things where, if you have had a bad experience with Greeks or you have been rejected by Greeks, it is easier to cast dispersions on organizations that you have not had the privilege to be a part of. But just because there may be pieces that are broken, does not mean that you throw the baby out with the bath water!
A Greek Advisor, at 8:55 pm EST on November 6, 2007
I must say that I’ve had the privelege of working with Dr. DeSantis. I recently completed editing a volume (Black Greek Letter Organizations in the 21st Century: Our Fight has Just Begun) to be published by the same publisher that published Dr. DeSantis’ book. Dr. DeSantis, along with one of his graduate students, conducted an ethnographic study of attitudes about homosexuality in Black fraternities. They did a thorough job, very thorough. I need to wait until the end of the semester to read his book, but I have no doubt that it is well-researched, well-written, and insightful.
Gregory Parks, PhD, Law Student at Cornell, at 5:40 am EST on November 7, 2007
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Let me be the first to say that I will buy this book and use it as an excuse to continue my “No Greek” policy in my professional and personal life. I can now convince the few remaining colleagues that will interview people that admit to such associations that their behavior was simply too irresponsible, an therefore associating with them is too big a risk.
Larry, at 5:00 am EDT on October 25, 2007