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December 17, 2007

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For doctoral students, the clock is always ticking. How many years of fellowship support do you have left? How long can you delay starting a family or bringing home a real paycheck? How old do you want to be while still being a student? How many good jobs will disappear before you have a Ph.D.?

But what about the professors who supervise doctoral work? Does the clock tick for them enough to motivate them to be realistic about dissertation expectations, to be sure to get comments back on that chapter draft, and to both encourage and prod their Ph.D. students to the finish line?

A series of new policies in the humanities and the social sciences at Harvard University are premised on the idea that professors need the ticking clock, too. For the last two years, the university has announced that for every five graduate students in years eight or higher of a Ph.D. program, the department would lose one admissions slot for a new doctoral student. The results were immediate: In numerous departments that had for years had large clusters of Ph.D. students taking eight or more years to finish, professors reached out to students and doctorates were completed.

No exceptions were made, and Harvard officials believe that their shift shows that there is no reason for a decade-long humanities Ph.D.

"People get lost. Being a graduate student can end up being a very lonely experience. You've got this enormous dissertation to write, and your children are born and your partner wants you to get a new job," said Theda Skocpol, who is finishing up a term as graduate dean at Harvard and who created the new policies. Skocpol ruffled a few feathers in turning down professors who wanted exemptions, but she said that the costs to students and their universities are too high to ignore the impact of 10-year-plus Ph.D. efforts, many of which don't even result in a degree.

"Losing somebody from one of these very selective Ph.D. programs after the investment of many years of faculty and student time and the students' own life and after we've invested a quarter million dollars or Harvard's money is really tragic," she said.

Harvard's new approach also includes other features, such as full financing for a year of dissertation writing, and a rule that students in the dissertation writing year cannot be assigned or accept teaching assistant positions. But Skocpol said that she believes the potential lost admissions slot is key. And at a time that many groups are focusing on time-to-degree issues, the fact that this was a policy change and not just another instance of Harvard spending some of its billions may make the shift something others could follow.

Here are the numbers that suggest the impact of the new policy, which was announced 18 months ahead of enforcement with the idea of giving professors time to get more of their Ph.D. students over the finish line:

In December 2005, 16 of the 24 departments offering Ph.D.'s in the humanities and social sciences were told that based on then-current data, they would lose a total of 33 admissions slots. (Departments admit anywhere from 1 to 25 or so doctoral students and many of the programs are sufficiently small that losing even a single slot is a big deal.)

A year later, 14 departments were at risk of losing a total of 23 slots. And by the time this year that the policy was enforced, all but two of those departments were in compliance and those two lost only one slot each. If you think departments might have just kicked out slow finishers, that doesn't seem to be the case. Skocpol said that some students really had "already moved on," and that most departments avoided the admissions slot punishment by helping students finish. Indeed, in the two years after the policy was announced, the number of humanities Ph.D.'s awarded increased to 99 from 71, and the number of social sciences doctorates increased to 110 from 95. (Entering cohort size has been flat for years and so does not explain those increases.)

Meanwhile, over the last five years, the percentage of doctoral students in their ninth year (or higher) has decreased to 4.5 percent from 8.5 percent.

While taking a decade to finish a Ph.D. may seem unthinkable to academics in disciplines (generally in the sciences) where half that time is the norm, decade-long Ph.D.'s are actually common in the humanities, which makes Skocpol's timeline (and her success at enforcing it) notable. Recent data from the Council of Graduate Schools, for example, show that only 36.7 percent of humanities students have finished their dissertations by year 8, and only 49.1 percent have done so by year 10.

Skocpol said that it is important to recognize that some fields (those requiring fluency in multiple languages or extensive fieldwork, for example) will have longer duration of doctoral work than others, but that there is no reason ever for a 10-year doctoral program. "Graduate students need to get on to a life where they have their own careers or income before they are entering middle age," she said.

In addition, she said that private donors and government agencies are scared away from supporting humanities and some social sciences doctoral education because it takes so long. "If we are going to make claims on resources, we have to do better."

That means real changes, she said. For starters, she said that professors need to have "realistic" expectations about dissertations, and to factor in the value of getting done along with the value of exploring every possible nuance. "You have to get to a point in a dissertation where you say it's good enough. It doesn't have to be perfect. It's time to get it done as good enough," Skocpol said.

Another change she advocates is that departments view entering cohorts of Ph.D. students as true cohorts, such that there is a goal of students taking their generals at roughly the same time. Treating the process as entirely individual, she said, seems to encourage a slower pace.

Altin Gavranovic, a Ph.D. student at Harvard in American studies, is the humanities representative on the Graduate Student Council. He said he isn't sure that many graduate students are aware that new policies have been put in place to speed up their completion, "but they are benefiting."

At many top universities, graduate students in the humanities just assume it will take 10 years to finish up. "I think the culture where people think about being here for 10 years, I think that has past," said Gavranovic. "The idea is that the Ph.D. should be a transitional stage," not a permanent one. "My intent is to get done in five."

Liz Olson, a graduate student in anthropology at Case Western Reserve University and president of the National Association of Graduate and Professional Students, said that she had never heard of a policy like the one at Harvard. But she said that the issue it addresses (professors and Ph.D. students not both facing pressure to finish up) is widespread. She said it was important in carrying out such a policy not to increase the stress on students by compressing a 10-year program into 7, but by coming up with a 7-year program.

Of Harvard's rule, she said, "I think that making it something that impacts the department is a good idea."

While the Harvard plan does put pressure on departments, Skocpol said that various pressures on doctoral students will also be a factor. She took seven years to finish her Harvard doctorate, and she said she was "totally unrealistic" about material to cover in it. "I wouldn't have finished it on time, but I was going to get fired from my first job if I didn't finish it," she recalled. "You have to get to the point where you want this thing -- no matter what."

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Comments on How to Cut Ph.D. Time to Degree

  • Bitter? No.
  • Posted by Jonathan Dresner on December 17, 2007 at 6:00am EST
  • Took me 12 years at Harvard for the Ph.D., start to finish. Since then, they've instituted new department policies to help students move along, new fellowships to help students write and study instead of working constantly, and now incentives for departments that seem to be working.

    I'm thrilled for the students who are there now, of course, but it makes it hard when people ask me about my experience at Harvard. It was a distinctly 90s experience, never again -- one hopes -- to be common. I suppose I was one of the cases that inspired all this change; I'll accept that.

  • What happened to PhD graduation rate as metric?
  • Posted by Russ , Small cog at MegaU on December 17, 2007 at 6:15am EST
  • This is a nice first step by the USA's wealthiest university -- but what about PhD graduation rates at taxpayer-owned Hinterland U?

    With actual five-year graduation rates as low as 20% in some departments -- of course, never posted publicly -- isn't that the real problem?

    Willingness to post that information would indicate an actual willingness to pursue "truth."

    Conversely -- what does the unwillingness to post such information reveal to students, parents, and the taxpaying public?

  • Posted by Bruce Thyer , Professor at Florida State University on December 17, 2007 at 8:50am EST
  • This is a brilliant policy, simple contingency management. B. F. Skinner, former Professor of Psychology at Harvard, is smiling down from heaven at Cambridge. More universities should consider a similar plan. Congratulations to the Harvard Graduate School.

  • accountability works
  • Posted by Joseph A Soares , Associate Professor at Wake Forest University on December 17, 2007 at 9:35am EST
  • Heart felt congratulations to Theda Skocpol and Harvard's GSAS for introducing a measure of accountability on a faculty known for immodest expectations. I can't imagine a Ph.D. program in the country that wouldn't be improved by this move. But isn't it time to revise our ancient practice of requiring a dissertation as something distinct from an academic publication? Graduate students may finish fast or slow, but without a publication or two before they hit today's market, they will continue to be liminal personae.

  • Posted by DGS , DGS at Wannabe Ivy on December 17, 2007 at 9:40am EST
  • There's a part of the logic of this plan (at least as it is described here) that eludes me. Why is it that the department is punished if a graduate student fails to finish? There is a presumption that students who fail to finish in a timely manner do so only because of unavailable and unreasonable faculty mentors. That certainly does occur. However, in my experience, it is just as true that some students take more eight years because they fail to organize their time well, write efficiently, and produce. I would hope that such a policy would also include a rigorous review of students who reach this stage, possibly by a third party who is not the student's mentor. All graduate students have the right to adequate support, both in terms of finances and mentoring. However, there are some students who will not use those resources to complete a dissertation in a timely manner. The party to blame is not always an ogre of an adviser.

  • PhD completion
  • Posted by program director , program director at ivy on December 17, 2007 at 11:30am EST
  • I wonder how many of the PhDs were awarded by departments simply to get students off their books-- a kind of 'mercy' PhD for both students and programs. Are faculty advisors really working to see that these PhDs are the best they can be, or cutting corners to see these dissertations defended? Completion is one metric; a second would be placement. What happens to these PhDs after completion?

  • Posted by Frank on December 17, 2007 at 11:35am EST
  • I've had it from the other end. I was extremely productive, finished all requirements and got hit with "sorry - you have to do another year cause that's what the book says". Did I get anything out of that year? No. They got my money though.

    I also saw a grad student who ended up languishing for a decade cause he took over the intro course the prof's hated to teach. Win-win for the department as he was (A) cheaper and (B) kept them from teaching those icky undergrads. Nothing like indentured servants!

    So from either end (fast or slow) - I say "students first". I like what Harvard is doing here.

  • Finishing without publishing?
  • Posted by Marc Bousquet , author, How the University Works, at Santa Clara University on December 17, 2007 at 11:35am EST
  • In my view, Soares has it right. This can do some folks more harm than good, especially those not at the schools ranked in their discipline's top 5. In many disciplines, finishing without publishing--even at a top school--radically diminishes your chances of a tenure track position.

    And there _are_ reasons for 12-year times to degree, especially outside of Harvard. At public schools, 2-2 teaching loads are common during fellowship, and that's usually not enough, so there's summer and other adjunct teaching, and then the baby comes and you take a ntt full-time slot while you're working on the diss...
    http://marcbousquet.net

  • time to degree
  • Posted by A. Nonnermous on December 17, 2007 at 11:55am EST
  • This is great. It is time people realized how little these dissertations change the world. They're barely read and they cause great stress to the writers. Students need to get out and contribute to society, by writing, researching, teaching, earning, and sharing their knowledge, not fixing every phrase for 10 years. The implication is that students usually want to fester in grad school, eating cold food forever, but what of the committees who won't return papers or sign off? Come on professors, help students get moving!

  • Are you listening, University of Texas?
  • Posted by S on December 17, 2007 at 1:30pm EST
  • Public universities have an even greater obligation to do something about this problem.

  • Time to Degree
  • Posted by Robert E. Thach , Dean, Graduate School of Arts & Sciences at Washington University in St. Louis on December 17, 2007 at 2:20pm EST
  • At Washington University in St. Louis we initiated a policy of this type nearly fifteen years ago. It has worked well for us ever since.

  • Not that Clear and Simple
  • Posted by SA on December 18, 2007 at 8:45am EST
  • I do agree that this is a good move at Harvard--for the most part. I think that I would have had trouble reaching any kind of completion (I'm still finishing) at my small-ish state U program without the constant (sometimes more than others) nudging of my committee chair and mentor. It's not that I waste my time or don't write efficiently. It's that I am, well, busy. It's hard to _make_ time to write, especially when I already have a great job that doesn't require that I finish the degree.

    I do think that the article paints a picture of a faculty who are too concerned with themselves and their own publishing and teaching to worry about a few grad students who are slaving away over dissertations that will sit on shelves and collect dust. However, I'm sure the actual issues and conversations at Harvard were much more complex.

    Mentors should take an active role--departments should take one, as well--in making certain that the graduate student is making good progress. It may genuinely take some students 10 years to finish, depending upon the dissertation. God knows my topic was too lofty and I was way underprepared for making the kinds of choices I need to make about what to include and what not to include.

    But we have to say that giving grad students a year to write when they are effectively free of working restraints is amazing. I could have finished something (not the topic I ended up working with, but something) if I had taken a year to just write.

    Instead, I took a great job that requires about 60-80 hours a week of me. And I have a big family of my own. So, I think the support and the money and the whole thing sounds good. And this doesn't really add up to any more pressure on the students--the timeline is always there for them. Anyone who thinks grad students aren't aware of how much the time to degree is costing them has amnesia from his own days as a student.

  • Posted by ABD for 3 years on December 18, 2007 at 10:50am EST
  • What I wouldn't give to have a year where I'm funded *at an adequate level* (no, $10K won't be enough) to do nothing but write my dissertation . . . what I had was a situation in which the first year that I should have been working on my dissertation (year 5) was the first year that I had to scrabble to find the funding to exist. At least that was only a 1-1 load, but the next year it was 2-2. This year I've been lucky, and got a position that lets me teach in the summer and spend the rest of the year working only at a couple part time jobs in addition to my dissertation. Now I'm actually getting something done. In my case, I wouldn't say that the problem was one of an uncaring adviser, but rather the fact that I had to teach in order to get any sort of funding. Teaching, especially for those of us just learning to do it, can take up and *enormous* amount of time. Just one year where we didn't have to worry about that would help immensely.

    Oh, and dissertation groups-- this has been another enormous help to me this year. Schools should also consider encouraging this sort of grad student peer review and support-- it goes a long way towards making the dissertation less lonely and isolating.

  • Social support matters along with money and llimits
  • Posted by Theda Skocpol at Harvard University on December 18, 2007 at 9:25pm EST
  • The previous poster is correct to stress that PhD students need a supportive social environment, along with attention from mentors and financial support. At Harvard, I am proud that the Graduate School has been able to fund research workshops where PhD students and faculty meet regularly to share work in progress and provide collegial feedback (I first learned the value of university seed funds for such workshops when I was at the University of Chicago in the 1980s, and I brought the idea to Harvard after my return to Cambridge in the late 1980s). This tripartite COMBINATION of intellectual and social support, write-up fellowships, and realistic time expectations on the part of departments as well as students is what we were finally able to complete during my deanship. The results have been heartening and immediate. Funding matters, but it is not sufficient.

  • Ph.D should have a good metric to real performance
  • Posted by Philbert Suresh , Faculty at GUST on December 19, 2007 at 10:20am EST
  • As the expectations arise in the instutions of learning, the observation at Harvard Univerity should bring sanity today.

    It is crtical that these years of scholarly pursuit should result more than a Ph.D symbol rather than using the credentials as paper testimony to job security.

    Like the best branded car that goes through frequent testing and inspection, so also must an institution create a way for measuring the performance in an institutiion - only for teaching or research or both.

    Very often the performance belie the expectations in final outcomes - despite the years of slogging and sacrifice for an academic recognition.

    Institutions in different countries measure a Ph.D in differnt ways and it is gratifying to note that it takes 10 long years to mint in a Ph.D at Harvard University. Happy is the person who has faced such a challenge in the academia but not so in a professional world where the rigors of chievement are measured under more stricter metrics without any ifs and buts in life.

    It is time to do hard thinkingnow and hopre this view will find support in the learning community.

  • time to degree
  • Posted by Will Braynen , PhD Candidate at University of Arizona on June 28, 2008 at 7:20pm EDT
  • My guess is that most incoming PhD students do not realize how long a PhD in humanities usually takes (e.g. that the median registered time spent in graduate school by those earn a PhD is 9 years according to the NSF). Later students adjust their expectations, but if I am right and most do not realize the stats before they commit themselves to a PhD program, then simply posting median time spent in graduate school would deter many from applying to these programs. This would in turn help fix the humanities job market by driving down the oversupply of PhD graduates. And this, I think, would drive down time to degree. Consider an extreme thought experiment: if there was a real shortage of humanities faculty, then a masters thesis would be enough for tenure track jobs. So I think posting the relevant stats on the "for prospective students" pages of department websites is crucial. After all, good markets need good information. If enough departments do this, the pressure will eventually ease up and time to degree will go down. This is a long-term effort with a collective action problem, but I think it is morally imperative to do this. Otherwise, all these policies of getting students out the door quicker and giving their advisors proper incentives will have to fight against the pressures of the academic job market.

  • "How to Cut Ph.D. Time to Degree"
  • Posted by Nichole Renee Phillips , Student at Vanderbilt University on July 2, 2008 at 11:45am EDT
  • I love the idea of finishing a doctorate in less than ten years! Although there were harsh penalties for not complying, I believe Harvard and other universities who are implementing like policies are correct. It is unfair to students and faculty, alike, to be tied to a transitional phase of life for ten years. The only problem with racheting up the expectations is the pressure placed on students who, before the policy was instituted, must now produce or be dismissed. I write as a doctoral student in her fifth year of studies in the humanities who cannot fathom taking ten years to finish ANY degree. I might as well forget it after that. Thanks you the information.