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Jan. 24
Lots of subgroups in higher education have a Rodney Dangerfield syndrome. Adjunct instructors tire of being looked down on by (and getting paid much less than) tenured and tenure-track professors. Officials at many community colleges feel they get short shrift (financially and attitudinally) from their four-year college peers. Leaders in for-profit higher education continually feel snubbed by counterparts at nonprofit institutions.
Purveyors of online education programs tend to feel dissed, too. Even as surveys show that enrollments in distance ed programs are growing — with one in five college students saying they took at least one course online in 2006 — and all trends pointing to continued growth, advocates for online learning programs say they continue to face obstacles to acceptance, from a variety of sources: state regulators who look askance at their offerings, reporters who ignore them, and a public that isn’t quite sure what to make of them.
A group of true believers gathered in a Congressional office building Wednesday under the auspices of the Presidents’ Forum of Excelsior College, which is made up of leaders of numerous institutions that operate mostly or exclusively online. In sessions on the great variation in how state regulators assess distance ed programs, how the news media cover online learning, and the group’s new effort to prove online institutions’ value by making public reams of data about their performance — including student outcomes at the program-specific level.
A common theme throughout the day was how little some of the issues and hurdles had changed in the more than two decades that colleges and universities have been trying to educate increasing numbers of students who are either place-bound or prefer to learn not in a classroom but at a distance. In the session on state recognition of online programs, David A. Longanecker, executive director of the Western Interstate Commission on Higher Education and former U.S. assistant secretary for postsecondary education in the Clinton administration, recalled a 1980s effort known as Project ALLTEL (Assessing Long-Distance Learning through Telecommunications) in which the State Higher Education Executive Officers and other college leaders sought a common framework for judging the quality of distance programs.
“I’m just shocked this is still an issue, because we solved all this two decades ago,” Longanecker said with tongue planted firmly in cheek. “We had two basic principles: that we should have reciprocity between the states and trust each other, and that in that reciprocity, we should cede to the highest standard — whoever was doing the best job in this area, we should follow. We just left the details to be worked out — I guess we’re still working those out.”
That’s an understatement, providers of online education argued. Virtually every state still has a different set of standards and expectations for what it wants online education programs to prove before they’re given the right to operate in that state. And while typically states have required online providers to earn state approval only if they have on-ground operations in that state — which has required blended entities like the University of Phoenix to go state to state seeking approval through “gigantic bureaucratic, labyrinthine processes” that often involve “public pillorying,” said Jorge Klor de Alva, senior vice president for academic excellence there — the bar may now be rising.
One regionally accredited online education company recently sent a letter to state higher education officials in every state asking if it needed state recognition to offer distance education to residents, with no physical presence in the states. Nineteen states said they would require the company to gain state approval, while 31 said the online provider could operate in the state based on its accreditor’s approval.
Officials at several state universities that operate large online programs in other states said they have not sought (and had no intention of seeking) such approval, and that they have not run into any impediments. But that differential treatment troubled Longanecker and others, who argued that policy makers should take another shot — perhaps through regional compacts like WICHE, or through the regional accrediting agencies — at trying to get states to agree to a common standard for assessing the quality of online programs. “We should aim for a baseline that all states should agree on, informed by the gold standards of regional and national accreditation,” said Klor de Alva.
Skepticism abounded. “David can come out and say it would be good, but it’s not going to be solved in our lifetime,” said David Clinefelter, provost at Kaplan University. “It didn’t work 20 years ago, and it isn’t going to work in the next 20 years.”
If online educators thought their odds of getting states to agree on what a distance ed program should be were doomed, they seemed heartened by a new Zogby International survey of corporate human resources directors and small company chief executives, which was commissioned by the Presidents’ Forum.
The numbers were hardly a ringing endorsement of online education; more business owners disagreed than agreed with the statement that “a degree earned through an online or distance-learning program is as credible as a degree earned through a traditional campus-based program,” for instance.
But a solid majority (58 percent) of HR directors — who described themselves as significantly more familiar with online learning programs — strongly or somewhat agreed with that statement, and the most upbeat result for those gathered in Washington Wednesday was that 62 percent of those described themselves as “very familiar” or “familiar” with distance ed programs believe that online degrees are as credible as campus-based degrees.
Still, other results from the survey suggested that the barriers for some purveyors of online education may have less to do with how they offer their educations than with the type of institution they are — a hurdle that may be harder to overcome. Human resources directors and CEOs alike agreed overwhelmingly with the notion that online degrees had more value if they came from institutions that also had campus-based programs than from institutions that were online only. Solid majorities also said that they valued online degrees from “well-known” colleges more than those from lesser known institutions.
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“One regionally accredited online education company recently sent a letter to state higher education officials in every state asking if it needed state recognition to offer distance education to residents, with no physical presence in the states.” This is smart and impressive, especially when the states can’t seem to agree on anything and depend on accreditors...who have their own issues on oversight and credibility. As an online instructor, I still prefer a blended method, and if the school has permission by state and accreditors, there are many creative, academically sound ways to achieve this. Because states, accreditors, and college admin have not succeeded thus far in agreeing to the terms, there have also been tremendous abuses that have left students in debilitating situations financially and academically.
As an online instructor for a for-profit, I can see how the pubic might not have the same respect for us and often don’t even understand what we do! When I say “I teach online, I get blank looks or “What’s that?” But respect, recognition and public acceptance really are not guaranteed benefit in ANY profession : ) I’ve worked in state schools that have the same complaints. Rodney, indeed.
In terms of employer acceptance, I think the blended model gives employers more comfort in knowing students have had face-to-face time and can manage actual verbal communications. I also think it depends on the major and the career goal, however. What if a student is trying to major in writing? Wouldn’t an online course with some tale-conferences almost be BETTER in some ways? In these course, students must rely mostly on their writing (through email and otherwise) to learn and practice. Now grammar is sometimes difficult, and this is where a “talking to” would probably be needed. But then, grammar is often a challenge in any setting....
kgotthardt, at 10:20 am EST on January 24, 2008
When one examines challenges to a centuries-old concept of higher education in the way online education as has been in this article, it is not surprising that most have the over-the-nose view... My experience in both worlds (and more and more online) agrees with the HR directors who are responsible for recommending hiring to the boss.
If I were still in the hiring mode of my previous business and government positions, I would look to those who achieved their degree online because they have shown a far greater degree of self discipline and persistence than is exhibited by the “normal” graduate. They generally have been able to balance family, career, education, and other life challenges and come through with a degree that illustrates their commitment and perserverance.
In one of our recent faculty meetings (online and teleconferenced) we learned that, of the newer generations of learners, 70% are seeking to get their degree online. Even to a large vendor of online higher education, this was a revelation. Will the establishment be able to swallow this statistic? I would suggest that if they are struggling here, they should look at this mornings’ New York Times article “Don’t let Texting get to U” and learn to become bi- (or tri-) lingual...and join the revolution.
Edward Winslow, A “tired old” refired Business Professor, at 10:35 am EST on January 24, 2008
I found it amusing that the group of “true believers” didn’t hold their meeting online.
Sharon, Faculty (online and traditional) at Southern Arkansas University Tech, at 11:45 am EST on January 24, 2008
I find it interesting that the assumption is that the traditional model is the optimum, and anything that varies from this structure is inferior. There are plenty of people who learn better in other environments (at home, for example), but they’re not the ones calling the shots in higher ed, of course. The ones in charge all did well in traditional classrooms, that’s how they got where they are.
And, since I’m musing, why is it that when the inevitable call goes out for distance-delivered courses to be evaluated “rigorously,” that same rigor is rarely (if ever) applied to traditional, face-to-face courses?
Susan, at 3:25 pm EST on January 24, 2008
The question of whether or not employers see distance degrees as credible has been asked and answered a number of times; however surveys such as the one mentioned are to be taken with a grain of salt because they fail to ask the right question(s). The issue of credibility disappears almost completely if the name brand of the college offering the degree is known to the employer; and if that college has a long history offering brick and mortar degrees. For example, an engineering degree from Stanford University is seen as “acceptable” to every headhunter you might survey: makes no difference to them if that degree was earned online or on campus. For more on this issue see: http://www.geteducated.com/surveys/publicacct.asp. If we want to know what America thinks about e-education we need to stop asking “which is better an online degree or a campus degree": they are no longer mutually exclusive. It’s like asking which is better: Ford or Chevy? The answer these days is Toyota. —Vicky Phillips, Chief Ed Analyst, GetEducated.com, LLC
Vicky Phillips, Chief Ed Analyst at GetEducated,com, LLC, at 4:20 pm EST on January 24, 2008
Many universities, such as mine, are offering the same courses online as are offered in resident instruction. For some subjects and skills—also such as mine, writing, particularly technical writing—the online learning environment can work quite well for many students (and instructors). I teach two courses in both resident and online environments, often concurrently. They’re not much different except for the communication mediums used.
When online courses and programs are offered by strong universities developing programs through the same processes and using the same supervisory channels as established for resident instruction, quality need not suffer. In fact, the two methods of educational exchange can inform and benefit each other.
Bim Angst, Instructor of Writing at Penn State University, at 4:45 pm EST on January 24, 2008
While I can’t help RGB find his online degree in thoracic surgery, I CAN recommend the excellent online courses in “biomedical forensics” (Boston University) and “emergency room psychiatry” (University of Texas System)
john ebersole, excelsior college, at 6:45 pm EST on January 24, 2008
Distance Ed was around long before every town had a community college.
Stephanie Watson, at 2:05 pm EST on February 29, 2008
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Where might I get an on-line degree in thoracic surgery?
RBG, at 10:15 am EST on January 24, 2008