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February 15, 2008

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A gunman killed five students in a Northern Illinois University lecture hall before shooting himself Thursday afternoon. Many more were wounded: Aside from the perpetrator, Northern Illinois reported 21 victims in all.

The tragedy reemphasizes the intense focus on emergency response and communications systems that emerged after the April shootings at Virginia Tech University, experts said Thursday. But, President John Peters said in a press event, "I don't know if any plan can prevent this kind of tragedy."

Officials said Thursday that shortly after 3 p.m. the shooter, dressed in black, emerged from behind a screen in the front of the classroom, and opened fire. Northern Illinois identified the shooter as a former graduate student in sociology who was enrolled in the university in spring 2007 but no longer is. (The Chicago Tribune said it had identified the shooter, but wasn't naming him pending formal identification of his body, and that he was enrolled in a graduate program in social work at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, and that he had won a dean's award at Northern Illinois two years ago for work he did on prison systems.) He carried one shotgun and two handguns. Four of those killed were female; one was a male. Among those wounded was the instructor of the geology class, a graduate teaching assistant who related his account of the shootings to the Chicago Sun-Times.

Eric Rood, a Northern Illinois senior and copy desk chief at Northern Star, the student newspaper, said students in the newsroom and elsewhere were "glued to the TV" Thursday watching coverage of the shooting.

"There's definitely a lot of shock," he said. "No one's quite sure what to make of this."

Hours earlier, Rood was in another building on campus, waiting outside a classroom when a student who was in the room where the shooting occurred ran by him and several other students. Alarmed by the commotion, they took out their cell phones and soon found out what had happened, Rood said.

Along with dozens of other students, Rood took temporary shelter in an empty lecture hall. "People were confused," he said. "Mostly they just wanted to get out to see if their friends were OK."

The shooting comes less than a week after a student at Louisiana Technical College’s Baton Rouge campus shot and killed two other female students and then killed herself. About 20 students were in the classroom at the time. The investigation into the double murder and suicide is ongoing, and Baton Rouge Police say they haven’t uncovered a motive and have found no connections between the suspect and victims that would help understand why they were targeted.

Thursday's events at Northern Illinois also come at a time when Virginia Tech officials are considering how to honor students who died in last April's massacre there.

Amie Steele, editor of the Collegiate Times, Virginia Tech's student newspaper, said watching coverage of another college shooting was "peculiar" and "like deja vu all over again." Students throughout the student center, where the newsroom is located, were "staring in disbelief," she added.

"I think this will be a trigger for students," Steele said. "It's spring semester. We're already treading on thin ice, because students are starting to think about April, and it's been a topic on how to approach the one-year anniversary.... Seeing snow on the ground will trigger an emotional response from some students" (reminding them of the wintry day of the Virginia Tech shooting.)

Steele said she contacted a student she knows who worked at the Northern Illinois newspaper to provide words of wisdom about how to respond to and cover a tragedy. Likewise, Charles W. Steger, president of Virginia Tech, wrote a message to Peters, offering empathy and help. Steger also addressed a note to his own campus reminding students and employees of a 24-hour counseling hotline.

"[The president] is trying to quell any queasiness that people might have," said Larry Hincker, a Virginia Tech spokesman. "I know this will bring back memories of the trauma here."

As they did after April's shootings, several campus security and risk management experts weighed in Thursday on the national implications.

“Institutions face challenges in terms of reducing their vulnerability to random acts of violence. Things like perimeter security and weapons checks at doors are just not feasible and it’s not the kind of environment that campuses want to create,” said Ann H. Franke, who, as a lawyer and president of Wise Results, advises colleges on risk management. “The focus on emergency notification systems has been robust since the April Virginia Tech shootings. There are ongoing questions about the use of these types of systems -- for what kinds of emergencies, who sends out the messages. I think it’s very important for institutions to continue to focus on those kinds of issues.”

Daniel Carter, senior vice president for the nonprofit organization, Security On Campus, added Thursday evening that from all of the information then available, it appeared that Northern Illinois’s emergency warning and response system had worked. Northern Illinois's president had said that the Web site, e-mail, voicemail, crisis hotline, media, and alarm systems were all used to notify students. The first campus warning, he said, went out within 20 minutes (at 3:20 p.m.). Police reported that they responded to the scene within two minutes.

“This reinforces -- in part basically through its success from what we’ve seen -- the importance of having a multidisciplinary emergency response in place and having a multi-channel warning system in place," Carter said. (By "multidisciplinary" he meant having many different components and entities involved.) He noted, in particular, that Northern Illinois used a public address system -- something Security On Campus recommends be part of the communications strategy but which many colleges don’t have because of the investment in infrastructure needed -- but added that Northern Illinois’s response would have been even stronger had text messaging also been a component of its notification system.

“The story at the moment just demonstrates that a university is an open community and that irrational acts by individuals can occur at any time,” said Sheldon E. Steinbach, a lawyer in the higher education practice at the Washington firm Dow Lohnes. “People often make it look like schools are oblivious to the security of their broader community and that’s just not true. It is impossible without turning the campus into a police state to secure it any further than it already is.”

Authorities said Thursday that they did not know of any connection between Thursday's shootings and a security scare toward the end of the fall semester. In December, Northern Illinois shut down for a day after threatening graffiti, which referenced Virginia Tech, appeared in a residence hall.

In a December 11 letter to students and colleagues, President Peters shared some reflections on the incident. “Like so many of our students at NIU, I was a first-generation college student. The awe I felt the first time I stepped on a university campus has never left me. I see that same awe in the faces of every new student I meet, and I bask in the reflected pride of every graduate who walks across the stage at commencement. The great tradition of American public higher education is preparation of citizens who will live in and perpetuate a free, open and diverse society, and to be part of that important tradition is a source of unending pride. Events of the past several days cause me much distress because they are so contrary to the standards and commitments of this institution and of American higher education.”

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Comments on 6 Killed in Northern Illinois Shooting

  • Posted by rich on February 15, 2008 at 8:05am EST
  • americans are fucked up

  • Posted by ab on February 15, 2008 at 8:45am EST
  • every american is not responsible for this act...it is this kind of thinking (generalizing groups of people) which causes tragedies like this. people look for someone to blame, then think that this or that group is responsible and fire randomly at innocent people. so don't blame every american

  • Posted by Mary on February 15, 2008 at 9:20am EST
  • Why do the responses to such shootings never include increasing funding for mental health services to students?

  • What's it going to take?
  • Posted by Scott on February 15, 2008 at 9:25am EST
  • There are several campus security & police forces accross the nation who still utilize "unarmed" officers. When are they going to realized we don't live in a fantasy world anymore. Why wait until a tragedy happens directly on their campus? Prepare the officers NOW to better prevent deadly encounters in the future. Equip & Train your officers, stop focusing on the $'s it will cost.

  • messed up
  • Posted by Edd on February 15, 2008 at 9:25am EST
  • A lot of people are fucked up. The guy at VT was Korean and we don't know the identity of this guy. Most people in Northern IL are American.

  • right respounce
  • Posted by dron on February 15, 2008 at 9:25am EST
  • hi-schools and universities should found Students Guard of voluntiers omong students to be trained tou use and carry weapons and react soon, - no other solution will suply feeling of safety to students.
    Pchichological profile of most of those killers will block them to stand a front of armed public.

  • Posted by Brendan on February 15, 2008 at 9:25am EST
  • man who could take something so precious as life. its to bad that 7 people were cut so short.

  • Posted by LAW , Ph.D. Candidate at Univ. Memphis on February 15, 2008 at 9:30am EST
  • Exactly! This doesn't just happen in the US! The comment of the first poster is completely irresponsible and ignorant. It's sad to see someone make such sweeping generalizations. I would like to think that people who would read and post on this site would be capable of more intelligent thinking.

  • Murders at Northern Illinois
  • Posted by feudi pandola on February 15, 2008 at 9:45am EST
  • My prayers and condolences to those who lost loved ones in this tragedy. May God grant peace to those who perished, and to their survivors.

  • target
  • Posted by Donna on February 15, 2008 at 9:45am EST
  • The most disturbing (alleged) detail to come out of this was one witness's report that the shooter specifically targeted the grad assistant who was teaching the class, before shooting randomly.

    The grad assistant survived and later in the hospital said he didn't know the shooter (indeed, they were apparently from different academic disciplines)

    One wonders why this very successful student (the shooter) left NIU and why they felt the need to come back and shoot some random TA.

    In addition to discussing mental health interventions, maybe we need to find out why this guy (apparently) targeted a fellow grad student out of apparently some bizarre angry rage, and maybe a closer look at grad students and teaching and financial pressures that might make an already crazy guy snap.

    Just a hunch.

  • Guns in America
  • Posted by feudi pandola on February 15, 2008 at 9:45am EST
  • It is very obvious that something is very wrong with the control of guns in America. I am a strong advocate of the Second Amendement, but I also believe that the types of guns we permit to be legal lead directly to this kind of tragedy. Automatic and semi-automatic guns should not be legal for anyone but law enforcement officials. We need to either ban these guns or license ammunition. Period!

  • Pressure
  • Posted by J. Ham , Arch. Tech. on February 15, 2008 at 10:45am EST
  • The times we live in put so much pressure on people, especially younger people. We expect them to constantly raise the bar that those before them set. As a society, if we could just focus on the well being of people, rather than their accomplishments or lack there of, I think there would be much less of these random acts of violence among young people. Pointing the finger at one issue or group is foolish, as a society we are all to blame.

  • Weapons
  • Posted by Paulo on February 15, 2008 at 10:45am EST
  • The issue is the gun culture is the States. The weapon that the gunperson used did not come from Mars.
    It was a tragedy for the families, my condolences to them.

  • virginia tech alumni
  • Posted by Loni on February 15, 2008 at 10:45am EST
  • As an alumni of Virginia Tech my heart aches for everyone who was touched by this terrible tragedy. No one knows how much this can unite a school and communtiy. Remember to stand toghether, support your school, and support each other. There is no way to make sense of this. Virginia Tech's prayers and thoughts are with you.

  • as an American, I blame myself (a little)
  • Posted by American on February 15, 2008 at 10:45am EST
  • We ALL devote our lives (directly or indirectly) to generating the revenue (taxes) and resources (technology) that power the world's largest industrial killing operation (the D.O.D.) We then bestow our highest national esteem on the people who "serve" this leviathan.

    Kids learn that mastery of violence leads to honor and fame. The myth is ubiquitous and constantly reinforced through the millions of bytes they gobble up daily.

    What's really, really fucked up is how this situation could be judged a "success" of any sort.

  • Posted by kl on February 15, 2008 at 10:45am EST
  • arming campus security/police officers is not the answer- guns don't solve problems, they may only create more problems. Something like this tragedy wouldn't have been solved by armed campus police!

  • The Events of 2/14
  • Posted by Norman Stahl , Chair, Literacy Education at Northern Illinois University on February 15, 2008 at 10:45am EST
  • It is so unfortunate to see the reponses that have come forward to this site after the unthinkable events of yesterday. I would state how proud I am of the NIU community and the young people who attend this wonderful institution. As surreal as the past 24 hours have been here in DeKalb, it is clear the that response system did work. The planning by the university's leadership across the past months did prepare the campus for the unthinkable. Unfortunately the unthinkable is all too thinkable now.

  • Just sad
  • Posted by Breanna on February 15, 2008 at 10:45am EST
  • My heart goes out to all the families of those who are effected by this. Its a terrible tragedy and one more reason for the government to try to take our arms away from it.. Which is bull

  • Very Disheartening
  • Posted by Justin VerBurg on February 15, 2008 at 10:45am EST
  • It is very sad that someone would do something so ruthless... So selfish.

  • saddened
  • Posted by Jan Mayers on February 15, 2008 at 10:50am EST
  • It saddens me to see yet another act of senseless fatality in our schools..I do not believe gun control is the answer as criminals are the ones who can get guns. But what are we teaching our young people who have this wonderful privilege of education? Higher education is wonderful but when we took prayer out of the schools, wwe did a grave injustice to our children. There was a moral compass that was silent but spoke to the hearts and lives of young people. You will the students praying now..We need to bring back the traits we once possessed..character and morality but most of all God in the schools..we are missing the very life of our society..this will not stop until America gets on their knees and returns to God..oh, there will always be people with mental problems and other issues but things would improve if people would turn to God - that would permeate every aspect of our society..I am not trying to trivialize the answer with religion..I am not talking about denominations..just a relationship with a Jesus Christ who cleanses and changes lives. America was different when it allowed Christians to pray. I pray for the families of these victims that God will comfort their hearts and lives throughout the coming days. He is only one that can do that. God Bless and help the students; I know they must be hurting..If they call on Jesus, he will help them..thank you..Jan

  • The Shooting
  • Posted by Sally - Chicago on February 15, 2008 at 10:50am EST
  • I live in Chicago and have grown immune to this type of news. All year long we have driveby shootings of little kids, high school violence and shootings. Recently there were college kids killed at LSU and U of C. Now that the violence has traveled Upward to the "safe" places like college campuses maybe some action will be done about guns. IMO they should be registered just like cars and dogs are.

    But we live in a democratic republic and this is to be expected. We have freedoms and no one wants to shut down the freedoms or else we will turn into a police state. As long as we can understand that this is a free society, free to talk, walk, and do what you want including buying guns and killing, we have to accept the consequences.

  • Posted by Marie Hoff on February 15, 2008 at 10:55am EST
  • MOre Americans are killed by gun violence every year in our society, than are killed by foreign terrorists -- and it doesn't matter where you are -- in churches, homes, streets, schools, universities, post offices, cars, and other places too numerous to name. Both Gun policy and mental health policy, as well as the general tolerance of violence in our society are to blame.

  • the U.S. exception
  • Posted by Robert on February 15, 2008 at 10:55am EST
  • The U.S. does not have an exceptionally large number of kooks. ("They" are evenly distributed among all nations.)

    What makes the U.S. exceptional is it's archaic "right to bear arms".

    These "tragedies" will subside only when sanity is brought to gun laws. ("Tragedies" are fated to occur. These massacres can be avoided.)

  • Agree to ban guns
  • Posted by Natalia Forrat on February 15, 2008 at 11:15am EST
  • I also don't understand why the gun control in the US is so weak. I know this tradition didn't come from Mars, but don't all these shootings convince people to change that? US is not the most traditional country, and people here are more amenable to reason vs tradition than in other countries. And I'm surprised to read instead that to respond to the shootings students should have more guns to be able to protect themselves. Doesn't it make sense that the more guns, the more victims as you never know who is holding the gun?

  • Posted by Heather on February 15, 2008 at 11:15am EST
  • I agree with Mary -- there needs to be some discussion of mental health services for students in crisis.

  • Posted by Kasandra on February 15, 2008 at 11:15am EST
  • My prayers are with all the families and students of NIU. As an alumna I cannot grasp that this could possibly happen at NIU.

  • shooter identified
  • Posted by anonymous on February 15, 2008 at 11:25am EST
  • Shooter was identified as Steven Kazmierczak according to recent reports by CNN.

  • My Prayers and My Thoughts
  • Posted by kgotthardt on February 15, 2008 at 11:35am EST
  • ....both are with the victims, their families, and the educational community.

    More thoughts....

    Why aren't gun owners mandatorily screened for mental and/or relevant physical illness before they are allowed to buy guns (if, indeed, these guns were even purchased legally)?

    Students are required to have health physicals before they enter institutions of higher learning. Shots, medical records, etc. are required. Why not mental health screening as well?

    If a student comes to school without immunizations, he/she MUST get them in order to remain enrolled.

    If a student comes to school with any kind of disease, he/she must have appropriate treatment, whatever that may be.

    Why should the brain be treated any differently?

  • Posted by Kyle Johnson , Kyle on February 15, 2008 at 11:35am EST
  • I was going to Northern Illinois until just this semester. I had several classes in that lecture hall where the shooting occurred. It's freaky to think about. I'm glad I got out. We had a threat just before the finals of last semester. I'm glad none of my friends were hurt.

  • Posted by michael on February 15, 2008 at 11:35am EST
  • These awful incidents are shocking but we have to take the responsibility for allowing the creation of a culture of extreme violence in movies, TV and the videogames that so many young people are spending much of their time playing. Our nation sadly is a major perpetrator of world-wide violence through our American militarism. With such examples of our own cultural willingness to deliver death In Iraq should we be surprised when the violence seeps in to the safe havens of high school and colleges? Gun control would be helpful but I would as soon be shot as chopped to pieces with a machete. Murderous people will find the means to do murder.

  • only prevention=medical attention
  • Posted by M , instructor at an Illinois community college on February 15, 2008 at 11:35am EST
  • Mary said: "Why do the responses to such shootings never include increasing funding for mental health services to students?"

    Indeed, why not?! That is the ONLY way to effectively prevent this sort of thing from happening.

    - NIU alumna

  • Posted by gianstefano on February 15, 2008 at 11:35am EST
  • I agree that gun control is the issue, but it's more complex than that. The counseling centers on university campuses these days are seeing unprecedented numbers of students with psychiatric disorders, including major depression, severe anxiety, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and the like. While some of these disorders may have a genetic basis, there is no doubt in my mind that most stem from the individual's response to societal pressures and the state of the world in which we live. This is not a uniquely American phenomenon, but given the fact that these and other disorders are now so widespread, it behooves us to take a more serious look at the gun control laws in this country. Otherwise, we have no one to blame but ourselves!

  • mental health
  • Posted by Donna on February 15, 2008 at 11:35am EST
  • The Chicago papers are now reporting more about the shooter: he was apparently a highly regarded grad student who studied the criminal justice system, but who had recently "gone off his medication" and had been acting erratically.

  • School Shootings
  • Posted by Rick Flores , IT Helpdesk Support on February 15, 2008 at 12:05pm EST
  • This event is tragic, my heart goes out to all the families affected by this. Students go to school to receive an education and instead receive a death sentence. I think an Internal Affairs department on campuses for students would benefit everyone.

    A story of a coward with a gun.

  • School Shootings
  • Posted by Rick Flores on February 15, 2008 at 12:05pm EST
  • What if we were to have undercover students that are trained in unconventional warfare.
    If combat proficiency and WAR was embedded into these kids minds they would react more bravely when situations like this happen instead of fleeing the scene!!

    Rick Flores
    U.S Navy ret.

  • Posted by TAk on February 15, 2008 at 12:10pm EST
  • Americans ruin ths world. I have sooooo many American friends, very dear close friends, and my deepest deepest sadness and condolences for the horrible pain the families of these dead innocent people. But look at what American Culture is promoting and doing to this world. Americans always so loud mouthed and indignant. Always the Policement of the world. Always Causing war, always in the name of Peace, but can't even keep the peace in their own home land. Their own most proud of proud soilders, rape a 14year old. Pedo!!! They fuck up the economy and thus the world economy goes into panic. Wake up everyone...why do we all depend so heavily on this bullshit economy of loud mouth hypocrites. In the world where are the most Serial Kills, US, in the world who has the most gun related tragedies, US. Who funded the same people that later came back and crashed planes into their towners only to be called terrorist? US. They have fuck this world up. Let me say again before any one chooses to make any rebuke to my comments. Seriously everyone. open your eyes...I have very dearest of dearest friends that are american, but I dont see them that way, i see them as my friends and as good people. Its the country as a whole with its damn leaders and stupid over done DOGMA and corrupt ways forcing their culture on everyone else. And then look...in their own country cant even keep peace. Shooting themselves. Kids??? Kids shooting Kids?? Why? where it the family? TOO MUCH Freedom, not enough discipline. FREEDOM right! What happened to RESPECT??? YOU bunch of free loud mouth independent little cusses. Yeah US does a lot of great things, but then they ruin it all with stupid shit like this. Look around, how many other countries have weird shit like this? ONLY the US? why??? is this a culture we want to follow? AMERICANS...IS this a culture you are proud of??? Ever notice when you go overseas since the 90s no one really respected you? Why did Canandian sew Canadian Flags on their backpacks? To be separated from you guys. You like the unmannered neighbor that just walks into anyone;s house with shoes on puts your feet up on their tea table and then has the nerve to tell them how to run their house and educate their kids when back home your own kids shoot each other. HOW LAME!!!!

  • Same experience
  • Posted by Buzz on February 15, 2008 at 12:35pm EST
  • I knew a student just like the NIU suspect in 2003. Angry. Screamed and shoved others. Made me and others nervous. Administration did n-o-t-h-i-n-g. Then the student finally had a public breakdown and was banned from campus. Still haunted by that experience.

    A friend's wife is on the student-counseling team at a big Southern university. Since 4/16 (VT), they respond in person to allv

    I don't like handguns. But when you face potentially violent people, you do what you have to do.

    Want to debate handguns? Meet you in a downtown crack-zone at 9 p.m. Saturday. In seconds, you'll be reading "Guns & Ammo" and praying for U.S. Marine recruiters to walk by. Welcome to reality.

    As for more funding for mental health -- reasonable people know that is a bottomless pit. And given the U.S. is already technically bankrupt from unfunded social service entitlements -- where is the money coming from?

    NIU -- many prayers for your people. Be safe.

  • Posted by Katia on February 15, 2008 at 12:35pm EST
  • I live in va and have to deal with the virginia tech shooting everyday so just keep ya head up if you lost a family member or friend

  • As an American in England
  • Posted by rml on February 15, 2008 at 12:45pm EST
  • I certainly wouldn't blame all Americans, the activities of the defence department, etc for the events on college campuses.

    But it is strange to think that the campuses in Europe are even more open, and we don't even have a police force. The last time police were needed on my campus was 2 years ago to intervene in a fight with two people that were unaffiliated with the university.

    Why is that?

    What stinks is that the American institutions of higher education will now react with more costly training for police, restrictions, feel good programs, etc.

  • Correx due to wayward PC mouse
  • Posted by Buzz on February 15, 2008 at 12:45pm EST
  • A friend’s wife is on the student-counseling team at a big Southern university. Since 4/16 (VT), they respond in person to all .. potential acts of violent student behavior.

    (Note: aforementioned is stressful and costly. Obviously.)

  • Regarding TAk
  • Posted by TFG on February 15, 2008 at 12:55pm EST
  • Why is it that so many can be so damn shallow? How is it that the US is the only place that has this? The Brits have bad guys, they have shootings and it is almost impossible to get a firearm there. What about other countries, mass genocides, mass killings in the hundreds at a time. Do not blame it on our "Culture". If you are just looking for a place to piss and moan about the US in general, get in line and find another spot for it, please keep on the topic at hand.
    As far as Gun Control is concerned, that is the last answer and most wrong of all. Ill. is one of the most strict as it is in obtaining firearms. Making it tougher or preventing it outright is plain bull and will be ineffective at best, deadly at worst. The answer always comes down to, take the guns away, restrict them, whatever... I blame the restrictions on them as a partial cause in instances such as this. Mental defect or not, you will not find a person entering into a place that is known to have firearms present and try sh*t like this. The people that do things like this are predators, they look and see an easy opportunity to inflict the most they can in the shortest time they can.
    Allow "Right" people on campuses to possess and be armed so that if nothing else, there IS a chance to stop these actions or prevent them all together.
    I do agree 100% also with the couple of posts made earlier about how when things like this occur, the easy target is picked and focused on, only to have little to no results. Instead of attacking the rights of honest law abiding people, and attacking their right to not be subject to these and other malicious happenings, what about putting some of that cash and floor thumping towards what really matters and may make a difference, better mental investigations, some sort of a physical on the brain as people enter such stressful and crowded locations for such long periods of time.

  • Warning signs
  • Posted by Dr. Charles U. Larson , Emeritus Professor of Communication at Northern Illinois University on February 15, 2008 at 1:20pm EST
  • What is really needed is not armed students, nor gated campuses or metal detectors, etc. but more research into the warning signs that persons in mental trouble are likely to display(students, faculty, workers, officials, etc.)and in society as a whole. Then they might be referred to receive appropriate counseling and supervision. In my 40+ years a faculty member at N.I.U., I received several death threats across the years and encountered any number of deeply troubled students whom I then referred to counseling or tried to counsel myself, but it would have been useful to know of the warning signs of potential violence.
    Dr. C. Larson, Emeritus Professor of Communication, No. Ill. Univ.

  • to buzz
  • Posted by M , instructor at an Illinois community college on February 15, 2008 at 1:25pm EST
  • "Stressful and costly" is also an accurate description of the state of a university that does not provide adequate mental health to its students. Instead, however, the cost is in human lives.

    As a side note, I too encountered someone at NIU, on a regular basis, who was obviously dangerous and in need of mental health attention. He followed a friend of mine home one day (a mile from campus) and threatened to blow up our apartment building. NIU also did n-o-t-h-i-n-g about him.

    That was the 90s; for all I know it's the same guy.

  • Posted by Christy on February 15, 2008 at 1:45pm EST
  • Most of the time the people who do the shootings are looking for revenge and they want people to know that they finaly got their revenge. So why not just give a profile of the shooter when it is broad casted on every news station in America? Instead of giving them what they want and posting their name and picture on every television station and website. I feel like in a twisted way the media makes the people who commit these hideous crimes famous! All this dose it put the idea in some other twisted mind. That if they were to go out and do the same thing, the whole world would know their name and what they went down in history for doing.

  • Posted by Broader Perspective on February 15, 2008 at 2:25pm EST
  • This does not happen just at colleges. There was a incident recently at a mall in the Chicago area where shoppers were shot. This was just one of similar occurances in many places, not just schools. Turning campuses into police states will not fix it.

  • To Mary:
  • Posted by Tired Adjunct on February 15, 2008 at 2:30pm EST
  • "Why do the responses to such shootings never include increasing funding for mental health services to students?"

    Could it possibly be because there's absolutely no evidence that mental health services are the slightest bit efficacious
    in ameliorating even minor mental health problems, let alone something major like this?

  • Mental Illness
  • Posted by Szasz on February 15, 2008 at 3:20pm EST
  • I have a sister who suffers from Schizophrenia. I have a degree in Psychology and have worked for various social service agencies.

    Here is the truth!

    Americans spend more money on more bullshit items than on mental health research, education and treatment. Americans spend more on video games and pet food than on advancing our understanding of all forms and causes of mental illness.

    Here are some observations:

    1. as a field of medical study mental health gets less funding than any other medical field including wart removal and breast implants.

    2. if mental health is a "bottomless pit" Buzz, you better hope your mom or sister don't develop a mental illness. If we don't want it to be a "bottomless pit" it won't be with a little care, committment and the same funding that everyone else gets.

    3. if you think turnover is high among any service career that you can think of, it is higher still among the vastly underpaid, understaffed, underfunded health care professionals, most of whom do tremendous work.

    4. it is time to revisit the Pennhurst decision. It was once a high aspiration to see every hospitalized inpatient of a psychiatric hospital "deinstitutionalized". However, because of the lack of funding, pushing the mentally ill out into the streets when they are not ready and when they would at least be safer and warmer in a hospital is a bankrupt and failed policy.

    5. Mental illness is not that "thing" that only happens to other people. Your turn may be coming what with all of the stress, environmental polution, mixing of prescriptions, nutritional defecits and "recreational" drug use.

    6. Hope and pray that it does not happen to you because to be branded as such with the ignorance of the US population on the subject, the only thing worse would be to be branded a pedo, and most will argue that they are a subset of the mentally ill.

    More guns won't help. More police won't help. Better training might help. By it's nature the behavior of the mentally ill is unpredictable. Nothing short of the thought police will prevent it, and then we will all have a new problem.

  • Mental health
  • Posted by EngProf on February 15, 2008 at 3:25pm EST
  • It seems some of our foreign "friends" who posted here are in need of some mental health services themselves.

    See who comes to their aid first when a natural disaster hits. Then they turn around and spit on us.

    As for mental health services, I used to work as a nurse. There's no way you can FORCE someone to take medication. This person was diagnosed and under treatment, but he exercised his free will to refuse treatment. So what do you do then? Lock him up and drug him into taking his meds?

    As to why this happens: well, hey, if you remove all moral underpinnings from a culture then what do you expect?

  • Posted by Caroline on February 15, 2008 at 3:40pm EST
  • It surprises me that so few of the comments mention our gun culture as the problem. The NRA mantra "guns don't kill, people do" is ridiculous. Any mentally unstable individual could not kill/injure so many with a knife, ax, baseball bat, whatever. It's up to the youth to press for gun control (as you do for the environment) and save future generations from such senseless tragedies.

  • Posted by Heather on February 15, 2008 at 4:30pm EST
  • As someone who is a client of mental health services, I can assure you that they can and do work if you have access to them. Perhaps this fellow "went off his meds" because he lacked health insurance and prescription coverage?

  • Posted by Steve on February 15, 2008 at 4:35pm EST
  • To try and point a finger at any one issue like gun control that could be solely responsible for this tragedy is just shortsighted. Stricter gun control will have no more of a positive effect on the number of these instances than any drug laws have on the number of addicts in our country. I think the comment about our society putting too much pressure on the youth to accomplish is totally accurate. Being a college student myself, trying to juggle the overwhelming amounts of schoolwork with figuring out how to pay for it all, I can see where it would send any unstable person over the deep end. That is why I also agree with those advocating more opportunities for counseling to those who may be mentally unstable. My prayers go out to the families of those who were lost and I hope that, as a society, we can find a way to limit these types of tragedies.

  • RICH!!???!!???
  • Posted by Ryan on February 15, 2008 at 4:40pm EST
  • Your not American? Nice racist statment pal. Generalizations and such like you provided will always bog down the rise of no racism in this country. See people as individuals.

  • Still a bottomless pit
  • Posted by Buzz on February 15, 2008 at 5:00pm EST
  • " .. if mental health is a “bottomless pit” Buzz, you better hope your mom or sister don’t develop a mental illness .."

    Every day, moi hears at least 250 claims that the world will end if I don't give more money for (insert cause).

    There is absolutely NO conclusive empirical evidence that increased funding for mental health services will improve the human condition.

    I had a loved one committed to Betty Ford. Chewed up enough money to pay for a Harvard B.A. degree. Ending was happy, but had not been guaranteed. I didn't ask anyone else to help. I did it myself.

    Moi does what moi can. Everything else is left to God.

  • Media should REFRAIN from publicizing details on shooter.
  • Posted by Michael Alston , Dr. at IEEE on February 15, 2008 at 5:30pm EST
  • One of the most important things the media can do to help prevent these murder-suicides is to simply NOT publicize ANYTHING about the shooter!

    Certainly not his photo, not the contents of any letter or website, nor his manifesto, ideally not even his name.

    Publicity only encourages other similarly in humane humans who have given up on any other way to "make a name" for themselves.

    Research should be funded to prove or disprove the above.

  • hmmm....
  • Posted by M , instructor at an Illinois community college on February 15, 2008 at 9:30pm EST
  • So, you admit that mental health services work...but it's too expensive to be worth it? Your position is completely mystifying. Do you not see the connection being drawn between others' mental health and YOUR safety?

  • Try reading with the mind open
  • Posted by Buzz on February 16, 2008 at 8:10am EST
  • " .. So, you admit that mental health services work .."

    Try reading with the mind open. It helps, if done properly.

    " .. Ending was happy, but had not been guaranteed .."

    Don't know why my friend didn't kill himself and others. Could have been any one or combination of 1,000,000,000,000,000 v'bles.

    Or just luck of the draw. Or a strong group of supportive family and friends.

    It was certainly NOT due to a taxpayer-funded program, a "village" of bureaucrats.

    Anyone who wants to donate their money to try prevent the next NIU -- step forward. I'm sure someone will take your money.

  • Posted by Jennifer Mumphry on February 16, 2008 at 8:15am EST
  • It is our responsibility as citizens of the United States to be aware of our surroundings and those in it. I found an angry kid in my class and I have helped him out by talking about whatever is on his mind. He confessed a hit list to me. I helped him get rid of it.

  • Jennifer: yes
  • Posted by Buzz on February 16, 2008 at 9:30am EST
  • " .. I found an angry kid in my class and I have helped him out by talking about whatever is on his mind .."

    Same experience. Student seething with anger over the lack of concern and interest by the long-tenured unionized faculty.

    We had a private, high-volume discussion about student needs. I pointed out positive strengths and areas to work on, possibly the first professor to ever do that. Student was 95% calmer afterward.

    All my student wanted was for someone to actually listen, to care, and to act. It isn't that hard or complicated.

  • Gun-free zone?
  • Posted by UT-Austin Grad Student on February 16, 2008 at 10:00pm EST
  • Reading through the comments, I don't see a single mention of the fact that this is yet another mass killing in a "gun-free zone." This serves as an effective deterrent for the average citizen who might carry a weapon for defense, but not for a murderer whose intent goes far beyond illegal possession charges. What did NIU tell its students, faculty and staff to do after the Virginia Tech massacre? At my university, the response was to post bulletins saying that we should acquiesce to the demands of armed and disturbed individuals. If everyone else is unarmed, it seems like we'll have no realistic choice but to comply - even all they want is for us to die.

  • Medicate.. Medicate
  • Posted by John on February 17, 2008 at 6:05am EST
  • Not only are they all going on in gun-free zones, the other common theme is that they're all on or coming off these anti-depressant drugs.
    Just try talking to a doctor these days. Problems sleeping? Depression. Stomach pain? Depression. Suddenly we have three times the depression rate of other developed countries. Either we're overmedicating, everyone else is undermedicating, or Americans are crazy. Its probably worth it to figure out which one it is.

  • Posted by Jay , retards on February 17, 2008 at 8:45am EST
  • they call it gun control. Why don't the idiots in the government realize how stupid and impressionable people are from video games, movies and other media. Now i love that violent crap, but some people take it seriously, and their douchebags, so they shouldnt be allowed near guns either. If it's available people use anything. Because their dumb.

  • "moral underpinnings" Prof.?
  • Posted by JA , Substitute teacher(K-12)public school on February 17, 2008 at 3:05pm EST
  • "Moral underpinnings" Professor? Would that the solution were that simple. If people are born brain damaged,physically traumatized by accidents or injuries,or by ingesting or exposure to lead or drugs and alcohol they may be capable only of irrational thought and behavior unless taking the correct psychotropic medication. Many if not most criminals are not just "antisocial" personalities but in fact brain damaged. Autoposies of these damaged or diseased brains need to be performed and studied. Brain scans need to be included in our annual checkups. Preventative healthcare is the key to fewer such tragedies. My cousin's grandchildren attended a school in Dunblane,Scotland in 1996 where a deranged shooter killed innocents.

  • Posted by AB on February 17, 2008 at 4:25pm EST
  • I work in a French University, and I can tell you that this kind of drama is unthinkable here. The police is not allowed on campuses, unless explicitly called for by the 'President' of the University (a very rare occurrence). The University has no police force of its own, either. Yet the campus is completely open, there's the usual percentage of deranged people around, perhaps a little more than average, but nobody carries weapons (as far as I now) and in any case no one ever gets killed.
    I wonder how so many americans still desperately cling to the archaic notion that anybody shoud be entitled to have a gun. I don't see that carrying a weapon makes you free in any way. Quite the reverse, actually.

  • Enlightened Discussion
  • Posted by Kevin , Lecturer at The University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign on February 17, 2008 at 4:25pm EST
  • TAk,
    "Americans ruin ths world", what a wonderful opening to your views of the NIU catastrophe given the venue, "Inside Higher Education". What a great way to stoke the furnace of intellect and reason; you have really communicated something of value! Rather than hop on the bandwagon of everything is wrong with America (including the right to bear arms), should we closer examine this tragedy in a "gun-free zone" for what it is? Let's open the discussion to something like questioning the reasoning behind saying, "he's just a swell guy as long as he's taking his medication". Let's wonder why no one discovered a military discharge on psychological grounds while doing a State Police background check to get his FOID card, buy handguns, shotguns or ammunition, or apply to graduate school much less. Let's wonder why in the past 6-months, he decided to get a tattoo of the doll from a sick movie, "Saw", riding a tricycle through a pool of blood on one arm and a dagger through a skull on the other arm. Let's wonder why no one bothered to approach family, advisors, administrators or friends and ask if there may be something wrong with a person who does these things. Why? Because we are too busy being so intellectually sophisticated accepting people's "diverse opinions and expressions" and protecting their "personal rights of privacy and expression" that we expense the safety of the collective. Folks, wake up! There are people in all parts of the world that need help. Believing that a gentle little blue pill can make them become pillars of a demanding world is just horse hockey! Believing that countercultural expressions indelibly inked on their bodies are nothing more than innocent “freedoms of expression” that we should accept, admire and embrace as we would good dental hygiene is just lunacy. The army of administrators in education and the larger army of attorneys behind them who have made FERPA become the legal minefield that it has become should be questioned about some of these findings at NIU, Virginia Tech, or the next setting of such horror. But TAk, it’s easier just to say that “Americans ruin ths world”.

  • Posted by kgotthardt on February 17, 2008 at 8:15pm EST
  • Kevin, I agree with much of what you are saying. FERPA is WAY out of control--too many times, it works against the ill and everyone else instead of protecting us as it was meant to. The problem is, of course, that once information is made available, we can't trust people to act in the best interest of the patients or their families. But again, you are right. How could this guy have gone through so many agencies, public venues, and the purchasing of multiple guns without having serious illness detected and communicated? (The tats, I could easily ignore. But these other things? No way.)

    In terms of a gentle little pill as cure-all, I again agree. While medication can be effective, if not used in conjunction with solid M.D. oversight, therapy, and supportive social networks (all of which, YES, do require open exchange of accurate information), then it's as good as putting a band-aid on a scratch, hoping to cure internal bleeding.

    Until we can talk about mental health the same way we talk about skin cancer, no one will be able to help anyone. But the shame factor, the fear factor, the ignorance, the prejudice, and a general denial perpetuate tragedies like these. When will we learn?

  • Posted by Borat on February 18, 2008 at 8:20am EST
  • I got two words for y`all.. "Gun Control"...

  • We Cannot Blow Students OFF
  • Posted by CONCERNED on February 18, 2008 at 11:35am EST
  • So many great comments. Many want to hear themselves talk about thier great and wonderful gun control ideas and others want therapists outside of every restroom.
    This fella "Steve" had this on his mind for awhile.
    There is so much impetus for a student to go this route and many times we don't find them credible to do such a thing.
    The price of a BA is through the roof. Students can leave thier college days behind with fond memories and a future of SUBSTANTIAL DEBT. Does it seem rational that a student with a four year degree have indebtedness in excess of $60k? How about $30k having an interest rate of 9-13%. Oh- we forgot about that part. So, in other words - it's okay when it costs a couple of hundred dollars to sit in the seat of a University classroom; that in and of itself is not going to cause a synaptic challenge?
    I am going to suggest that having an armed Marshall in every class could possibly constitute the EXORBITANT TICKET PRICE. Until you are a student with the kind of debt that students are facing with a 4 year, than I suggest you do not know what constitutes irrational behaviour. It is the very last thing we talk about though, the debt.

    Oh and France- Who invited you? We both know we have nothing in common.

    We better do something. A lowly student may not pack the punch that a tenured professor has, but at some point it should be realized that they deserve the same respect. We are faced with another battle for Higher Education. In my mind there is no battle more worthwhile, but the warriors better decide thier postitions quick.

  • Concerned
  • Posted by Kelly on February 19, 2008 at 1:05pm EST
  • This is another tragedy which has impacted so many people, whether it be directly or indirectly. I understand people want to point blame to someone or something, but I guarantee you that taking away one of our 2nd Ammendment Rights is not the answer. If any of you have done any research on "Gun Control" in cities in the US or even in other countries, you would agree with me. Other countries which have banned guns have an a significant increase in home invasions and murders. And the homeowners lose all rights to take action against these invaders. We as Americans lose all of our protection and rights if we are invaded in our own homes if the US Government decided to take away our right to bear arms. I think that the 2nd Ammendment was established for very good reasons. I would agree that the processes which allow people to get access to guns needs revised, or a mental health check, but you still won't catch all of these crazy selfish people. Lord have mercy on their souls.

  • Rick Flores-US Navy ret
  • Posted by CONCERNED on February 19, 2008 at 2:25pm EST
  • What if we were to have undercover students that are trained in unconventional warfare.If combat proficiency and WAR was embedded into these kids minds they would react more bravely when situations like this happen instead of fleeing the scene!!

    Thanks Rick. I was thinking an undercover Marshall, but the training students could recieve from such an endeavor would be fantastic. Problem is the liberal mind unleashed. You know- 'someone might get hurt.'
    Thank you sir for your service and your comments.

  • Medication without Therapy is a recipe for Disaster!
  • Posted by MK on February 20, 2008 at 2:00pm EST
  • Many mental health problems are not solved with a pill, they require psychotherapy. It is true that chemical imbalances affect the way the brain works, and medication "help" getting people back in "balance"....while their medicated. However, cognitive behavioral therapy (and other therapies) also change the chemistry of the brain.

    It's like this, the medication works, but it's a bandaid...nothing else. Therapy heals. If you do medication without therapy...when you take off the bandaid...you will eventually end up worse.

    Problems with therapy: Deluted services proved by unprepaired providers!!! Most states have granted "counseling" or "therapy" rights to people who have not completed proper training, simple because they have strong lobbying with state regulators. I've even had registered nurses (not holding any degree) tell me they function as therapist?

    For real therapy...you must go to a CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST. You would not go to a medical assistant to perform heart surgery? Why would you go to nurse for psychotherapy?

  • Posted by Kay , Kay at GAtech on February 20, 2008 at 9:50pm EST
  • I am a student at a major university like Northern Illinois and VA Tech. Many are commenting on getting mental health problems solved and increasing funds for the students... the truth be it... most universities have amazing programs for things like that. I know that my school has up to like 15-20 visits with a psychologist and most perscription medicines are free by the coverage of our health fee... with this said... the real problem is one being able to realize that he needs help and just get the guts, courage, or motivation to see someone about his or her problems. I have been getting anxiety attacks and am going through major stress but to be honest... its hard for me to even get up to go see someone to fix my problem.
    my thoughts and prayers go out the school and the familes. i can only hope that those troubled will get up and go see someone.

  • College campuses
  • Posted by Johnnisha Williams on February 27, 2008 at 5:15pm EST
  • ae college campuses even safe anymore no beacuase you pay money to send your kids to get an higher education and they get killed or engerd because of someone else's behavior

  • Posted by Millard Robinson on February 28, 2008 at 4:10pm EST
  • I am sure that the person was probably picked on and he had no other way in taking the anger out. I am not sayin that he had the right but i am sayin that is why you should treat others the same way u would want to be treated. God has a plan on why this happened and he will make something good come out of it.