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February 19, 2008

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David Horowitz will not be appearing at the annual meeting of the National Communication Association, which is expected to draw thousands of professors to San Diego in November. On that fact, everyone is in agreement. But whether he isn't participating because he was making unreasonable demands, because he was never invited in the first place, because the association gave in to members who didn't want to give him a forum, or some combination of factors is the subject of much disagreement.

Further, the fact that the association almost had a debate between Horowitz and Michael Bérubé -- and now plans to have the debate, but subbing in Anne Neal for Horowitz -- has prompted a dispute about to whom a scholarly group should provide a platform.

Some association members say that Horowitz has been so uncivil to academics that he should not be treated as just another person with an opinion, but as someone engaged in an active campaign against professors -- and, as such, any appearance would have been one to be met with protests, including possible disruptions (although not any that would endanger Horowitz or anyone else). Some of these members don't like the idea of Neal, president of the American Council of Trustees and Alumni, appearing either, seeing her as only a more polite version of Horowitz. Others, however, say that it is appropriate for the association to sponsor controversial discussions and that the flirtation with inviting Horowitz and the invitation to Neal are entirely in keeping with the ideals of academic freedom.

Horowitz was approached about agreeing to debate Bérubé by the NCA-Forum, a group within the larger association that organizes some events at the annual meeting. There were exchanges of e-mail messages about Horowitz's honorarium and various other requests he made. (In the e-mails, Horowitz agreed to waive his $7,000 honorarium provided the association would provide $500 for a bodyguard, and he also said that he wanted to speak after Bérubé because he believes Bérubé has lied about him in the past. In e-mail messages about the event, Horowitz was specifically told that any protests would not be disruptive because "free speech is a core principle of NCA."

As word leaked internally that the association was considering this invitation (and paying money to Horowitz), some members balked -- both at the idea of paying him, and at the idea that protests could not attempt to disrupt him. Some scholars suggested that their colleagues needed to be careful about any protests that might play into Horowitz's hands, given that he likes to portray the academy as unwilling to listen to him.

Dana L. Cloud, an associate professor of communication studies at the University of Texas at Austin, was among those who participated in online discussions about the potential invitation, and she posted some of these conversations on her blog, Dangerous and Loud. Cloud said that she was bothered by the idea of paying Horowitz anything, writing of Horowitz: "If he wants to engage in witch-hunting, he can do it on his own dime." She also wrote that if the association went ahead with the invitation, she would organize a registration boycott and possible protests.

Cloud also questioned the idea that Horowitz deserved an uninterrupted audience at the meeting. "On the question of confronting him, I respectfully suggest that his sort of cynical, opportunistic claiming of the 'academic freedom' mantle does not deserve a decorous reception. I would prefer to challenge him as a participant on the dais, but also see reason in actually standing up to him in the form of a protest. I don’t think that doing so is 'incredibly stupid,' since such challenges, successfully undertaken here at U.T., are what have kept him away from Texas in his latest round of campus events against what he calls (cynically protesting Women’s and Gender Studies in the name of liberating women) 'islamofascism,' " she wrote. (At Texas, Cloud supported a group of people who interrupted Horowitz with heckling and horns at an appearance, although she said her involvement was limited to holding a sign at the protest.)

She added: "The appeal to decorum is actually part of Horowitz’s and the right’s deliberate strategy to get us not to fight back for fear of seeming rude, immature, childish, or undemocratic. It is amazing to me how they get away with it, even among my liberal friends, when it is plain to see that his organizations meet mere noise with the coercive power of the police. Engaging in unruly protest does not play into their hands. By caving into the right’s alleged logic of non-confrontation, we actually give ground to their actually censorious motives and to a limited definition of protest that has, frankly, been an impediment to the rebuilding of a powerful and vocal left."

In an interview, Cloud stressed that her comments about disruptions applied only to noise or other non-violent means, and that she would never support physical attacks or threats against Horowitz or his supporters.

She said, however, that her experience shows that Horowitz does real damage to professors' lives -- and that he needs to be viewed that way, not just as a political opponent. Cloud is among the those named in Horowitz's The Professors: The 101 Most Dangerous Academics in America. Cloud said that she is "safe" in that she has supportive colleagues. And others -- such as the Web site Free Exchange on Campus -- have come forward to question Horowitz's portrayal of her work.

But Cloud said that in other ways, Horowitz's attacks have been significant. People who read the book or his Web site regularly send letters to university officials asking for her to be fired. Personally, she has received -- mostly via e-mail -- "physical threats, threats of removing my daughter from my custody, threats of sexual assaults, horrible disgusting gendered things," she said. That Horowitz doesn't send these isn't the point, she said. "He builds a climate and culture that emboldens people," and as a result, shouldn't be seen as a defender of academic freedom, but as its enemy.

The early e-mails to Horowitz from the National Communication Association, which he released, sound like an invitation, talking about what organizers "envision" and urging Horowitz to think of the opportunity to address the professors. Subsequent e-mails, however, noted that the discussions would be going to a committee for review.

But J. Michael Hogan, who handled the e-mails and who is co-director of the Center for Democratic Deliberation at Pennsylvania State University, stressed in an interview Monday that no formal invitation was extended. But on Monday, he e-mailed Horowitz that whatever had been on the table was no longer on the table.

"With personal regret, I write to inform you that the NCA-Forum planning group has voted not to go forward with my proposal for a debate between you and Michael Bérubé at next fall's NCA convention. Opponents of the idea cited a number of reasons, including concerns that some of our own organization's members would engage in disruptive protests, objections to your requests for changes in the format and payment for a bodyguard, and concerns that personal animosities between you and Bérubé might distract from the substantive issues, resulting in an exchange of personal insults and accusations rather than a debate focused on the important issues you have raised in your campaign. Again, I initially proposed this event, so please believe me when I say that I'm personally disappointed in this outcome. But I do appreciate your willingness to consider the proposal, and I hope that down the road we might be able to resurrect the idea of a debate over academic freedom and political indoctrination at NCA."

In the interview, Hogan acknowledged that Horowitz had agreed to waive his normal speaking fee, and that Horowitz's style is not something that just emerged in public view in the last week, but was well known prior to the initial discussions. But he insisted that there is "no story" because there was "no invitation." All the NCA did was approach Horowitz about the possibility of his speaking, leading to negotiations, but never to an invitation, he said. Hogan also noted that by inviting Neal, of the American Council of Trustees and Alumni, to take Horowitz's place, the group was assuring that Horowitz's views would be represented. (Neal could not be reached Monday. She has generally distinguished herself from Horowitz, although they criticize many of the same things in higher education.)

Cloud said she viewed Neal as "just as reactionary" as Horowitz. The invitation to Neal hasn't been formally announced, so Cloud said she didn't know how she and others might respond. "She's definitely protest-worthy. It's the same agenda." In an e-mail, Horowitz said of his replacement: "While Anne Neal is an articulate individual who shares many of my views, it is obvious to anyone that a debate with Anne would not deal with many of the issues I have raised."

Hogan said that the discussion led by Cloud on the appropriateness of inviting Horowitz had no impact on the group's decision. Cloud also said she didn't play a role in the decision. Hogan said that some of Horowitz's demands were seen as unreasonable, and that justified the decision not to extend an invitation. Some on the board that reviewed the proposal thought that having a bodyguard present "communicates the expectation of confrontation and violence." While Horowitz cited Cloud's views as evidence that he needed to be prepared for disruptions, she scoffed at that, saying that she would never cause him harm and that the kind of protest she advocates doesn't require a bodyguard.

As for Horowitz, he said that it was "splitting hairs" to say he hadn't been invited. Via e-mail, he said that the early e-mail from Hogan appeared to be an invitation. "It offers me an honorarium, tells me who my debating partner is, etc. I took it as an invitation. Do you think Hogan would have sent me such a letter if it was normal for his board to then veto his proposals?" he said.

Horowitz said of the turn of events: "It is obviously a rejection of the idea of by the NCA -- the idea being that after five years David Horowitz should actually get to present his ideas to an academic association.... The fact that no academic group has had the balls to invite me says a lot about the ability of academic associations to discuss important issues if a political minority wants to censor them."

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Comments on Communicating About David Horowitz

  • Leave the money -- and go
  • Posted by Russ on February 19, 2008 at 6:15am EST
  • The unapologetically tenured are happy to have governmental tax collectors use their governmental authority to take the hard-earned wages of the working-class to pay for their lifestyle.

    The unapologetically tenured just don't want to bothered, listening to those working class folks who decline to agree with them.

    How open-minded and liberal. How fair. How jejune.

    As for "disruptive" -- how amusing.

    Consider the number of "disruptive" academic pie-throwers (e.g., Ward you-know-who, Duke "Gang of 88") to the number of "disruptive" non-academic pie-throwers -- it is like comparing the New York Yankees to the Chicago Cubs. Why else would Mr. Horowitz, Bill Kristol, Pat Buchanan, et al., require bodyguards when speaking on campuses?

    BTW: for those with open minds, here's Mr. Horowitz in a three-hour interview on BookTV.

    http://booktv.org/program.aspx?ProgramId=8630&SectionName=In%20Depth&PlayMedia=Yes

    And --

    http://www.boxxet.com/Emory_University/Video_David_Horowitz_at_Emory_University_10_24_07_Video_2a.18kvup.d

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgUIbpRvOg8

    Can't wait for Mr. Horowitz's critics to get the same kind of public regard.

    Thank God that academics didn't control development of the First Amendment. The U.S. would be a second-class nation.

  • Invitations and David Horowitz
  • Posted by John K. Wilson at collegefreedom.org on February 19, 2008 at 6:55am EST
  • It's too bad that David Horowitz won't be speaking at the NCA. But his demands were unacceptable. Demanding payment for a bodyguard and demanding to control the speaking order is not something normally granted to a speaker at an academic conference.

    The "disruptive protests" angle strikes me as a red herring. The opposition to Horowitz, as far as I knew, came from the idea of paying him a speaking fee, which is not common at academic conferences, particularly since it would be used to fund his $340,000+ salary and his attacks on academics. The idea of a registration protest applied only to paying Horowitz, not to having him speak.

    I think Dana Cloud is very stupid for being drawn into a debate over a right to "disruptive" protests, a right which doesn't exist. Now, everyone has a right to engage in protests, including verbal expressions, that don't prevent a speech from going forward.

    I've tried to organize events at scholarly conferences with Horowitz, but I've never been able to get them approved. The problem is that David Horowitz isn't a scholar, and scholarly conferences are extremely narrow-minded. Not ideologically, but structurally, in the sense of wanting the usual boring speakers and panels rather than debates and non-academic speakers.

    I'd be happy to debate Horowitz at any conference, including the NCA if any NCA members want to organize an event and Horowitz is willing to drop unacceptable demands.

  • Horowitz
  • Posted by JoeC on February 19, 2008 at 6:55am EST
  • In the world of academics, a doctorate is a prerequisite to entry. Has Mr. Horowitz a doctorate? If not, why is an academic organization bothering with Mr. Horowitz? Old Burt, on the barstool in the local tavern, has many interesting observations on many matters. However, I don't expect that Burt will be addressing an academic meeting. So why is Mr. Horowitz being invited to do so?

  • Horowitz and Neal Have No Place Among Intellectuals
  • Posted by Unapologetically Tenured on February 19, 2008 at 7:05am EST
  • Dumb idea, poorly executed.

    The meeting of the National Communication Association is, I assume, a scholarly conference. As such, it should extend speaking invitations only to qualified scholars or to people whose work addresses substantive scholarly issues. David Horowitz and Anne Neal, whatever their virtues (and I presume they have some), are not scholars or serious thinkers in any meaningful sense. They are ideologues and professional propagandists. Their analyses are shallow, their "research" risible, and their familiarity with the intellectual standards of the academy nonexistent.

    Surely, the NCA has among its members somebody with passable scholarly credentials who might be willing to debate Professor Bérubé.

    More to the point, though, what is the purpose of such a debate in the first place? Academic conferences are intended to enlighten, to provide attendees with ideas and insights that are generally unavailable elsewhere. Horowitz and Neal, on the other hand, have simply repeated the same tired, poorly supported arguments for years. Further, unlike real intellectuals, they are entirely impervious to evidence or logic.

    I appreciate Professor Bérubé's willingness to engage people like this. Obviously, their specious claims cannot be allowed to go uncontested. But these sort of predictable, essentially scripted, point-counterpoint debates belong on the cable TV channels and at student forums, not at conferences devoted to real scholarship.

  • At the zoo
  • Posted by Russ on February 19, 2008 at 8:20am EST
  • There is an old joke about putting a fence around a campus (e.g., Chapel Hill, Austin, Berkeley) and charging admission like zoos. Comments so far have helped reinforce that comedic concept. To wit:

    " .. Has Mr. Horowitz a doctorate?"

    Of course not. BookTV gave him three hours because their PhD booker was out sick with a migraine.

    Does that mean only George Will (PhD, Princeton), Army Gen. David Petraeus (PhD, Princeton), Wm. Kristol (PhD, Harvard) and Lynne Cheney (PhD, U. of Wisc/Madison), et al., are allowed to speak?

    My -- how broad-minded. Rupert Murdoch, no PhD, who hires comm-arts grads, appears out of luck. Pity.

    " .. They are ideologues and professional propagandists. Their analyses are shallow, their “research” risible, and their familiarity with the intellectual standards of the academy nonexistent .."

    As oppposed to .. hmm .. Grover Furr, Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Robert Jensen, Angela Davis, Paul Krugman, Ward Churchill, Duke's "Gang of 88," Billy Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, et al. .. yes, of course ..

    " .. Academic conferences are intended to enlighten, to provide attendees with ideas and insights that are generally unavailable elsewhere .."

    Is there any rigorous, empirical evidence of that, post-Web? Got cites?

  • Posted by Al on February 19, 2008 at 8:50am EST
  • Russ, how much do you think professors make? Granted, few in academia are in line for the black lung, but we're also not on the list for private jets.

  • Posted by Jim on February 19, 2008 at 9:55am EST
  • Why not suggest that you'll allow the audience to bring concealed weapons? Surely Horowitz will find that an adequate substitute for bodyguards.

  • Posted by kgotthardt on February 19, 2008 at 10:00am EST
  • LMAO. A BODY GUARD? Does Horowitz believe he is THAT important? Tell him to don a bullet proof vest and get over it. I'm assuming on-site security guards would give him the same amount of protection everyone else at a conference gets.

    Now onto better things. It might be people just don't want to pay to hear these people speak. This has nothing to do with academic freedom. We've all heard what he has to say already, so who wants to pay to hear MORE of it?

    As for Cloud, if she is getting threats, I hope she is reporting them to the police and demanding an investigation. Threats are serious stuff and illegal, as far as I know, even if they are meant as some kind of sick joke. SHE sounds like the one who needs a bodyguard.

    Finally, is Horowitz provoking this kind of behavior? One would have to look more closely than at his books. What is he saying to people that makes them believe it's okay to break the law, discriminate, threaten, etc.? I bet there's more being said in private than what we know.

  • Gad, this so easy ..
  • Posted by Russ on February 19, 2008 at 10:30am EST
  • " .. LMAO. A BODY GUARD? Does Horowitz believe he is THAT important?"

    Gad .. this is so easy, sometimes .. like Bugs Bunny v. The Coyote & Acme Products ..

    http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2005/04/08/speech

    Strike one -- get the cops.

    " .. Russ, how much do you think professors make?"

    When Howard Zinn's book sells million$, while criticizing every U.S. President (all of them) -- he just gave away his million$ in book royalties?

    When the Boston blogs report Noam Chomsky forming a multi-million-dollar trust for his heirs -- what's behind that?

    When Billy Ayers' father had been CEO of Chicago Edison -- any money there?

    With a CU pension of $70,000+/year -- is Ward Churchill doing better than the average UAW retiree?

    Did Paul Krugman give his ENRON consulting fees to the retirees who were bankrupted in ENRON's collapse?

    For that matter -- what does money have to do with "free speech" and "truth?" That "academics" want it -- only for themselves? Nice.

    Strike two & three -- out. As Stanley Fish says: everyone is free to preach -- on their own dime.

  • Horowitz is a thug and Anne Neal a genteel thug
  • Posted by Utahprof on February 19, 2008 at 10:45am EST
  • Howrowitz' moment has passed. His ABOR hasn't gotten any traction in any state where it was introduced.

    A version of ABOR at the federal level failed to get included as part of the most recent Higher Ed Bill.

    He's about as relevant and timely as discussions about the Smoot-Hawley Tarrifs.

    Let him shout down a hole as part of his exercise of free speech.

    Same with Neal.

  • Horowitz??
  • Posted by Fred Flener , Retired on February 19, 2008 at 10:45am EST
  • I have a modest suggestion. Let Horowitz speak, sans fee and body guards. There are hundreds of such speakers at most conferences--he can be one of them. Then, if I were there, simply don't attend his session. He would only be "preaching to the choir," and hopefully (in my opinion) there would be a very, very small choir. Nothing cuts a movement like apathy, and controversy stimulates his appeal, even if the critics have valid arguments in opposition. Please don't "debate" his rancid view of academia. Let him shout to the heavens, but no one on Earth need listen to him.

  • provocation
  • Posted by Clayton E. Cramer on February 19, 2008 at 10:45am EST
  • "Finally, is Horowitz provoking this kind of behavior? One would have to look more closely than at his books. What is he saying to people that makes them believe it’s okay to break the law, discriminate, threaten, etc.?"

    Actually, it says quite a bit about the emotional instability of a disturbingly large fraction of the academy these days. Part of why my wife and I stopped when we received our MA degrees is that it was becoming abundantly clear that a large fraction of the academy uses their classrooms as a form of group therapy--with the students, for the most part, paying for the privilege of listening to rants that are often completely removed from the subject.

  • Posted by Dana Cloud , Associate Professor on February 19, 2008 at 10:45am EST
  • John, your calling me very stupid does little to move this discussion forward.

    My reasons for not welcoming Horowitz have less to do with his anti-intellectualism (for he is, in a Gramscian sense, an intellectual organic to the ruling class) than with with decidedly opportunistic and explicitly McCarthyist m.o. The man is about persecuting intellectuals, not engaging them.

    To equate disruptive protest with censorship or to see it as a threat to academic freedom is absurd. Clearly some of my colleagues have forgotten the Boston Tea Party, the civil rights movement, and the free speech movement at Berkeley, just to name a few disruptions that defended and extended the ideals of freedom of expression and academic freedom.

    I have said it before and I'll say it again: We may remember these years as the "Horowitz years" in the same way that people remember McCarthyism if we do not successfully interrupt his campaign to purge critical intellectuals from the academy. Protests have prevented his re-appearance at the University of Texas and, although he will use the "threat" of protests to claim martyr status, it still serves our interests to confront him.

    NCA's decision is proof, in fact, that protest (even simply the "threat" of protest) works. I find it ironic that a communication association housing some prominent social movement scholars fears peaceful protest so much. But the implication that I or others would pose a physical threat to DH is ridiculous. He can play the martyr but the fact of the matter is, he is not getting a credible hearing. He can whine all he wants to.

    Getting Ann Neal, instead, however is no victory and now we must strategize as to how to respond productively but strongly to her agenda as well. ACTA (her outfit) was the organization behind the Churchill firing; their report called him "low hanging fruit," and intimated that his case was just the beginning of their quieter efforts to rid universities of activists.

    I believe that the influence of these folks is waning given recent shifts in the national political climate. However, I believe that they must always be challenged in public in the way that McCarthy--once dismissed as a crank--should have been from the get-go.

  • Posted by Jack Olson on February 19, 2008 at 11:05am EST
  • The National Communication Association apparently does have some members willing to lend an ear to one of academia's severest critics. Otherwise, Michael Hogan would never have floated the idea of a debate between Berube and Horowitz.

    But, since the Association hastily vetoed the presentation of ideas critical of contemporary higher education, either the majority of the Association is too closed-minded to permit such a discussion or they are cowed by a vocal minority which threatens the hecklers' veto of which members like Dana Cloud explicitly approve. The fear of Horowitz's ideas is intellectual cowardice, the fear of those who want his ideas suppressed is moral cowardice. Either way, when an Association dedicated to the teaching of communication closes its ears to a man because he communicates better than they can stand, one wonders why such an association even exists.

  • Godwin's Law, adapted
  • Posted by Russ on February 19, 2008 at 11:35am EST
  • " .. We may remember these years as the “Horowitz years” in the same way that people remember McCarthyism if we do not .. interrupt his campaign to purge critical intellectuals .."

    Oh, my. Will freedom die, if that terrible Horowitz is not muzzled and manacled?

    Hardly. When soft-side academic departments are empirically shown to be 100% registered on one of two major political parties -- the OTHER political party is supposed to be the ogre?

    That is as absurd as Godwin's Law, now adaptable to the aforementioned goofy "McCarthy" analogy --

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

    Attempt to muzzle Mr. Horowitz if you want. Just do it on your dime. Quit wasting the tax-monies of the working-class.

    At least 20 well-qualified PhDs apply for every taxpayer-funded college teaching position. Working-class taxpayers have options for higher-ed. Lots of options.

  • widespread discrimination
  • Posted by Clayton E. Cramer on February 19, 2008 at 11:40am EST
  • "We may remember these years as the “Horowitz years” in the same way that people remember McCarthyism if we do not successfully interrupt his campaign to purge critical intellectuals from the academy."

    Horowitz isn't trying to purge critical intellectuals from the academy. He's trying to get the academy to allow internal criticism, by requiring universities to put as much effort into encouraging non-leftists into the academy as they put into recruiting based on race, gender, and sexual orientation.

    Seriously: is there anyone here who really wants to defend the position that the reason that conservatives, moderates, libertarians, and increasingly, 1960s liberals are grossly underrepresented in the humanities and social sciences academy is because they are all stupid?

    Any university whose faculty was 90% white, heterosexual males (as was the case not that many decades ago) would not argue that that it was because there wasn't anyone else qualified for the job. And yet, you could hold a national convention of conservative social science and humanities tenured faculty in a small classroom. If you threw in libertarians, you would need a lecture hall, but not a large one.

    Let's stop the pretense that there isn't widespread discrimination. I have an MA in History, six books published, a pretty substantial scholarly publication history, just helped write several briefs for an upcoming Supreme Court case, and I played a major part in exposing one of the grossest frauds in recent American history (Michael Bellesiles's Arming America). And that's why I can't even teach as an adjunct, even at community colleges?

    I am beginning to think that the social sciences and humanities at public universities need to be defunded. Some of these departments are increasingly turning into leftist circle jerks--neither scholarly, nor focused on objective education. Historians circled the wagons around Bellesiles; many academics did likewise around plagiarist and faux Indian Ward Churchill. The comments that I see on this article increasingly lead to me think that big parts of the academy no longer deserve funding.

  • Protest -> McCarthyism
  • Posted by Assistant Professor on February 19, 2008 at 11:40am EST
  • "NCA’s decision is proof, in fact, that protest (even simply the “threat” of protest) works. I find it ironic that a communication association housing some prominent social movement scholars fears peaceful protest so much."

    I wonder why scholars such as Dana Cloud fear the free exchange of ideas so much that they are willing to shout down invited speakers who they do not agree with.

    Wuold Dana Cloud be incensed if I came with an air horn and sign to one of her talks in order to "peacefully protest" it? Can Professor Cloud brook no dissent to her own views?

    Keep the protest outside. Leave the speaker to speak inside. Improve your argument, don't raise your voice. Engage with those you disagree with, don't shout them down in a fit of pique. I would hope that my colleagues in Academia would have learned these concepts a long while ago.

  • Oh for God's sake...
  • Posted by R.F. on February 19, 2008 at 11:40am EST
  • Tell him he can speak, but you won't pay him or allow the bodygaurd, nor prevent protests.

    I don't agree with him in the slightest, but I am not afraid of him in the least little bit, and the more he sees the light of day the less influence he has (as is happening already).

    People won't long tolerate listening to a third rate, strident, idealogue, attack dog for any point of view. If he wants to be treated credibly, at some point he will have to do something or say something credible.

  • Communications breakdown at the NCA?
  • Posted by J A DeLater on February 19, 2008 at 12:30pm EST
  • After reading Dana L Cloud's near-hysterical screeds on her blog site against the proposed participation of David Horowitz in a debate at the NCA conference, I can't help but agree with John K Wilson that her attempts to justify possible disruptive protests (assuming her frenetic demands to preempt the original proposal to DH failed) are both unwise and counterproductive.

    I also think it reasonable of DH to request a bodyguard in light of the fact that in the past he has been physically threatened and assaulted at public venues (as have other conservative speakers).

    This affair is just one more instance of the kind of intolerant preemption of open debate, free speech, and academic freedom on campuses and at conference forums that DH, Anne Neal, and other higher education reformers wish to change. Since Cloud fancies Neal is "just as reactionary" as DH, I hope she and her indignant minions at the forthcoming conference debate will be able to restrain themselves at least until the debaters (including Neal) have finished their presentations.

  • If the shoe fits. . . .
  • Posted by cicero on February 19, 2008 at 12:30pm EST
  • Re: “The appeal to decorum is actually part of Horowitz’s and the right’s deliberate strategy to get us not to fight back for fear of seeming rude, immature, childish, or undemocratic."

    I would humbly suggest that interupting others is, in fact, rude, immature, childhish, and undemocratic. As for the fear of "seeming" so, well, to paraphrase Sartre, you are what you do.

  • Horowitz likes attention
  • Posted by Larry on February 19, 2008 at 1:05pm EST
  • This article and the comments show why the debate is silly. Whenever Horowitz gets attention he wins! This is how he makes his money. It makes good business sense to forgo $7,000 or so in exchange for more fame that will result in more cash down the road.

    Horowitz isn’t trying to do anything besides promote himself, which is fine. After all, academics do this all the time (and are virtually required to do so). However, I can’t believe that academics have been duped into promoting Horowitz who doesn’t even play by standard academic rules.

  • Posted by Al on February 19, 2008 at 2:00pm EST
  • Russ, I think you've talked yourself in a bit of a circle here:

    "At least 20 well-qualified PhDs apply for every taxpayer-funded college teaching position. Working-class taxpayers have options for higher-ed. Lots of options."

    Exactly. Supply exceeds demand. This is why faculty salaries should not be conflated with "lifestyles" (as in "of the rich and famous?"). Further, that Chomsky and Zinn have lucrative book deals is not a result of their having tenure. It works the other way around, actually. Your examples are the anecdotal exception, not the rule.

    Where have I seen this type of reasoning before...

  • What's Good for the Goose . . .
  • Posted by PA Man on February 19, 2008 at 2:00pm EST
  • Many, many times I've heard professors assert that students need to be "challenged" with ideas that make them "uncomfortable." Okay. So here's an opportunity for the NCA and professors like Dr. Cloud to be challenged to come out of their comfort zones and to engage different ideas, ideas that might even make them a little uncomfortable. Why aren't they embracing this opportunity? Or have I missed something?

  • Reminder to Larry
  • Posted by J A DeLater on February 19, 2008 at 2:00pm EST
  • In spite of Larry's claim that the debate (I have to assume he means the debate above on the withdrawal of the proposal to David Horowitz and perhaps not the proposed NCA debate itself) is "silly," a debate on higher education reforms proposed by David Horowitz, Anne Neal is surely not. I'll agree with Larry, however, that the affair of DH's withdrawn invitation merely reinforces his claims that what some academics like Dana Cloud fancy as their "right" not to hear or even to allow arguments contrary to their highly-charged ideological stances is counterproductive.

    Not sure what Larry's claim that DH "doesn't even play by standard academic rules" means. Presumably DH would adhere to standard rules of the debate he was to participate in. I hope Larry's conception of "standard academic rules" doesn't accord with Dana Cloud's, which includes preempting, "foghorning" and disrupting verbal addresses of opponents.

  • Russ, The Working Class, and Horowitz the Car Salesman
  • Posted by Apologetically Inured on February 19, 2008 at 2:25pm EST
  • Thanks for sticking up for the working class, especially where taxes are concerned. I'm glad you acknowledge the class structure as such. Class structures are good for the folks on top (whether they've "earned" it or not) and hell on those on the bottom and should therefore be preserved at all costs, despite constant popular pressures toward (yik!) leveling. If not a classless society then a less class society. Can't be having that.

    Working is in fact like buying a car. There are two ends of the deal: the trade-in allowance for one's old vehicle and the sticker price. The salesman is trained, once a customer's attention has been fixed on one end of the deal or the other, to hammer away on the customer about that one end while secretly gaining advantage at the other end.

    Conservatives champion the cause of the working class by emphasizing evil Big Government's taxing of the hapless worker. Liberals or even radical leftists champion the worker by emphasizing evil Big Business's assault on wages, pensions, job security and safety. Conservatives want workers obsessed with taxes because conservatives have to pay taxes too, and the rich ones stand to gain at BOTH ENDS OF THE DEAL when workers's attention is riveted on taxes and nothing else. Clever.

    I hope working class students learn from their college experience how to watch both ends of the deal AT ONCE and try to make sure their taxes go toward things that benefit their own communities instead of the military-industrial complex (namely, that symbiotic relationship among Economic Empire, the Pentagon, and multi-national corporations: In other words, that market competition whereby corporations compete to see who can exploit the world's workers the most.)

    I suspect that's what financial advisers mean when they reassure their clients about making their money "work harder" for them. Money doesn't work. They're talking about workers working harder. And for what? An ongoing flattening or shrinking of workers' real wages while financial institutions skim off the surplus value. When workers feel the increasing pinch, it can be conveniently blamed exclusively on Government. That is, the taxation end of "the deal." (Don't get me started on evil Big Business's domination of evil Big Government. Government should belong to the people. It doesn't.)

    Insofar as corporations are increasingly dominating higher education and harnessing it to the interests of the upper 1% of the population, it's not surprising that there's a concerted effort to harass researchers who threaten to EXPOSE the car salesmen.

    To the extent that the project has shoved academics into defensive, censorious attitudes, it's working.

  • Posted by david horowitz on February 19, 2008 at 3:40pm EST
  • For the record: I waived my fee and offered to pay for my own protection (I have been physically attacked on a number of college campuses, which is the reason protection has become a matter of prudence). I am amused by those who think Dana Cloud's PhD makes her a "serious thinker."

  • Posted by kgotthardt on February 19, 2008 at 3:40pm EST
  • "Circle jerk"? I'm surprised IHE let that one slide. How crude, to say the least.

    As to Horror-wits' fears of being threatened, again I say, he has the right to wear a bullet proof vest. He has the right to hotel security (or whatever they have planned). He has the right to bring his own air horn. And if he is REALLY that scared, he can pay for his own bodyguard or stay home and drink hot toddies all night. (Or would he be drinking Bud Light?)

  • Posted by kgotthardt on February 19, 2008 at 4:45pm EST
  • Mr. Horowitz, if you really have been physically (as opposed to philosophically) attacked, I hope you pressed charges. I do mean that sincerely in spite of my snarkiness.

  • Well I new Dave was too big of a narcissist
  • Posted by Utahprof on February 19, 2008 at 5:40pm EST
  • to let this go by-BTW Dave I heard the Laura Ingraham show where you and the ice queen double-teamed professor cloud. I know that people consider that fair, but was best about it was how Dana still cleaned your clocks.

  • Econ 101?
  • Posted by Russ on February 19, 2008 at 6:05pm EST
  • " .. Supply exceeds demand. This is why faculty salaries should not be .."

    .. what they are now.

    When "supply exceeds demand" -- prices d-r-o-p. They don't rise faster than the average rate of inflation, as is the case with U.S. higher-ed for more than a decade. Only taxpayer-subsidized student loans could make that happen (Vedder, Ohio U.)

    And quality does not decline, as is the case with declining student performance levels. Organizations increase quality -- or die. Again, taxpayer-subsidized student loans.

    Congratulations on excellent reasoning -- at the fifth-grade level. Going mobile, now.

    As for this " .. Insofar as corporations are increasingly dominating higher education .."

    Yes, the writer has shown that the one of two major political parties grossly over-represented in soft-side academia (as opposed to the 50-50 split elsewhere) does want the masses to fall in line and do what it says.

    Congratulations academia, you are doing what that political party wants you to do. You follow orders well. Don't go changing!

  • Communicating with pot-banging
  • Posted by L.L. on February 20, 2008 at 5:40am EST
  • This is unbelievable.

    Communications departments -- who are theoretically for speech -- standing by idly as speech is pot-banged from the public by a bunch of "academic" thugs?

    Stalin, Lenin, Mussolini, Mao, Fidel, Ho, Hitler -- they would have approved. Then again, they thought themselves entitled to terminate their opposition, by any means necessary.

    Their American followers will not be as lucky. That is because Americans see through these home-grown stiflers of independent thought in a New York minute.

    Don't want to hear someone? Then leave the room. Make the world a better place.

  • Posted by 1009 on February 20, 2008 at 5:45am EST
  • whoa -- let's leave the cubs out of this. i think we can all agree that they are the embodiment of all that is good & righteous while the yankees spread grief & famine. this much seems obvious.

  • A question
  • Posted by Jeffrey Hall on February 20, 2008 at 5:45am EST
  • Unapologetically Tenured: "David Horowitz and Anne Neal, whatever their virtues (and I presume they have some), are not scholars or serious thinkers in any meaningful sense. They are ideologues and professional propagandists. Their analyses are shallow, their “research” risible, and their familiarity with the intellectual standards of the academy nonexistent."

    I don't get it. If their thinking is shallow and risible, then why is it so necessary to censor them? I've never been part of a political movement that had censorship as one of its core values, but it seems like a waste of time and energy to censor people whose ideas you aren't afraid of. Am I missing something?

  • dana's revolutionary fantasies
  • Posted by Elliott A Green on February 20, 2008 at 7:55am EST
  • Dana Cloud is a great straight man [I say that in the sense of stand-up comedy, of course, no reference to gender intended]. If she really thinks that the "ruling class" in the USA, such as it might be, is against her kind of preaching and agit-prop then she is clearly lacking in reflection and self-questioning. How is it, after all, that so many of her ilk, with their Gramscian ambitions to establish a hegemonic way of thinking about society, are tolerated by supposedly conniving capitalistic university trustees?? After all, don't many of the "leftist" academics provide justifications for foreign policy changes desired by the Power Elite and Washington Insiders??? What are Walt-Mearsheimer doing after all, other than continuing the Judeophobic-anti-Zionist work of Juan Cole, chomsky, n finkelstein, Nadia abu-el-Haj, etc??? W-M are providing a propaganda basis for State Department policy towards Israel to become much more openly hostile to Israel than it always has been in the past. Likewise, those who preach anti-factual, anti-rational doctrines --Dana may be acquainted with some-- may in fact serve the purpose of degrading the intellectual capacity of the population.

  • Posted by Dana Cloud on February 21, 2008 at 11:25am EST
  • NOT FOR CENSORSHIP

    For the record, I have never advocated censorship of views opposed to my own. It is an embrace of the First Amendment, not an affront to it, to meet hateful speech with more speech. In political contexts, conservatives heckle me all the time. That's politics. If I were to speak at a FrontPageMag conference or any other Horowitz outfit, I'd certainly expect a noisy crowd. I would not think that protests were an attempt to censor me.

    There may be no specific "right" to disruptive protest, but there is a proud tradition of it; sometimes it is a necessity.

  • Speaking contexts
  • Posted by Paul Turpin , Assistant Professor at University of the Pacific on February 22, 2008 at 12:40am EST
  • I think David Horowitz is a fine speaker to bring to college campuses. I urged my students to go to his event when he came to Willamette University a couple of years back. They were dumbfounded by his manner of argumentation, which was helpful in confirming for them that they had learned to think critically about the connection between claims and evidence. His visit was a good teaching moment, as the saying goes.

    For an academic conference, though, he wouldn't be appropriate. John Wilson's comment above that scholarly conferences are narrow-minded notwithstanding, the prosaic reality is that at scholarly conferences we want some light to go with the heat and smoke.

  • Pot-bang on your own dime
  • Posted by L.L. on February 22, 2008 at 8:30am EST
  • " .. I have never advocated censorship of views opposed to my own .."

    .. just help raise the level of incivility, epidemic in the post-Weatherman era. The alleged "hate-victims" becoming as "hateful" as the alleged "haters."

    Want rude, boorish behavior? Sit in the freshman sections at the Texas-Oklahoma football game. Lots of pot-banging there.

    Meanwhile, some of us actually want to intently listen, think, and politely comment ourselves and for others.

    I, and other reasonable people of all political stripes, do not want our tax dollars to pay for crude and boorish behavior in academia.

    Get used to the possible loss of your paycheck due to ill-mannered thuggery, please. You're welcome.

  • Posted by Adria Battaglia on February 22, 2008 at 9:55pm EST
  • I feel a bit confused about the portrayal of both the events and of Cloud's involvement in the matter (leaving the comments section of the article aside for now). Mostly, I'm troubled by the implicit assumption that there are no real consequences to even the most rhetorically-sanctioned public sphere for “deliberative debate.” To assume that Horowitz would speak and there would be or could be no material effects goes against everything I, as a communications scholar, understand discourse to be and do.

    Consequently, I'm also troubled by the suggestion that a counter-demonstration to Horowitz would have been inapprorpiate. Some suggested the protests could be a threat to his safety. As someone who publicly voiced her support of a counter-demonstration to his potential presence, I find this suggestion demonstrates a lack of understanding (and subsequent demonizing) of the role of protests throughout historical and contemporary times.

    Not all protests, even those that question the privileging, legitimating, and naturalizing narrative of “academic freedom” and of “free speech” in general, are meant to create violent disruptions. Cloud has articulated this point in this case time and time again.

    Furthermore, why must Horowitz's presence be the only means for NCA scholars to engage concepts such as political indoctrination and academic freedom? Stanley Fish, who has worked with Horowitz and for those of you who would have liked Horowitz to be in attendance at the NCA Convention, wrote:

    "[Horowitz's] strong suggestion is that academic freedom and intellectual diversity go together, but in fact they pull in opposite directions. Academic freedom is the freedom to go wherever an intellectual inquiry takes you without regard to directives proclaimed in advance by a regime of prior restraint. Intellectual diversity is a prior restraint; it tells you where to look and what you must look at—you must take into account every point of view independently of whether you think it is worth considering—and it tells you what materials you must include in your syllabus." (Stanley Fish, “Think Again,” New York Times, 2 May 2006.)

    Of course, I think Fish generously assumes Horowitz's intentions to be legitimate, which I do not. But regardless, is not the negative response to NOT inviting Horowitz an assumption that we need to look in a particular direction to a particular person and consider his outragous attacks against (and the subsequent implicit harassment of) numerous scholars as a legitimate perspective? I don't think we need Horowitz to provoke an intellectually rigorous conversation about what is academic freedom (which, although the Supreme Court has yet to figure out, should NOT be conflated with free speech...which, it should be pointed out, does advocate the right to hold counter-demonstrations without violence or disruption).

    This article ends with: “Horowitz said of the turn of events: ‘It is obviously a rejection of the idea of by the NCA — the idea being that after five years David Horowitz should actually get to present his ideas to an academic association.... The fact that no academic group has had the balls to invite me says a lot about the ability of academic associations to discuss important issues if a political minority wants to censor them.'"

    Let’s cut to the chase. For David Horowitz, academic freedom is the Trojan horse in a cultural war (See Stanley Fish, “‘Intellectual Diversity’: The Trojan Horse of a Dark Design,” The Chronicle of Higher Education 50, 23, 13 February 2004: p. B13). If that analogy does not work for you, Horowitz offers another one: “Lapsed radicals like ourselves are always condemned to regard the left as their Great White Whale. This book is a record of our sighting of the beast. We may not yet have set the final harpoon, but we have given chase” (Scott Sherman, “David Horowitz’s Long March,” The Nation, 3 July 2000. http://www.thenation.com/doc/20000703/sherman). Horowitz’s plan of attack: “One has to stigmatize the left and segregate it” (Sherman). Regardless of whether one interprets this as an opportunity for deliberative debate or interprets Horowitz as an Epeius, a Captain Ahab, or a Governor Wallace, the author of The Art of Political War: And Other Radical Pursuits undoubtedly is at war and is garnering governmental support as well as funds (see Alan Jones, “Connecting the Dots,” Inside Higher Ed, 16 June 2006, where Karl Rove refers to Horowitz’s pamphlet as a “perfect pocket guide to winning on the political battlefield”).

    David Horowitz himself urges us to remember, “Politics is war. Don't forget” (Horowitz, The Art of Political War: And Other Radical Pursuits, Texas: Spence Publishing, 2000, 11).

    Let’s not forget what we’re discussing, eh?

  • Communicating with brevity
  • Posted by L.L. on February 23, 2008 at 7:15am EST
  • " .. [750 words] .. Let’s cut to the chase .. Let’s not forget what we’re discussing, eh?

    OK. How about this scenario?

    Major taxpayer groups declare taxpayer-funded academia to be "bankrupt -- financially, intellectually, morally, culturally, and socially.

    "Therefore, a state of financial exigency is declared. All faculty and staff are hereby laid-off due to this bankruptcy, but eligible to apply to the new educational institutions created out of the aforementioned bankruptcy."

    See what not listening could produce? Y'know -- like c-o-m-m-u-n-i-c-a-t-e, Vern?

  • Roundtable (Academic Freedom?)--MLA 08
  • Posted by Brian Kennelly , Chair, Assoc. Prof. Modern Lang. & Lit. at Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo on April 10, 2008 at 5:15am EDT
  • Academic Freedom?
    Mark Bauerlein (Emory University)
    Norma Cantú (University of Texas, San Antonio)
    David Horowitz (David Horowitz Freedom Center)
    Cary Nelson (University of Illinois)
    Donald Pease (Dartmouth College)
    Brian Kennelly (Cal Poly)--presiding