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March 5, 2008

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New national data show that what has been a traumatic decade for computer science departments is finally starting to turn around. For the first time since 2000, the number of newly declared undergraduate majors at doctoral-granting computer science departments is up.

The increase is a small one, and the numbers are still at roughly half of their 2000 levels. But for computer scientists who have been debating when the turnaround would start, the answer appears to be that it has. And anecdotal evidence from non-doctoral departments outside of the new survey suggests that they are seeing similar rebounds. Experts cite a variety of factors: a much improved job market for graduates, shifts in the curriculum that take it far beyond programming, and improved marketing to both prospective students and their parents.

"We've finally bottomed out," said Stuart Zweben, associate dean for academic affairs at the Ohio State University College of Engineering and head of the Surveys Committee of the Computing Research Association, which conducted the study. Zweben said that a key problem for computer science is a delayed student response -- many flocked to the field at precisely the wrong time in 2000 but have been slow to return, even as employers have been offering high salaries to graduates.

Zweben said that the period around 2000 created a "crazy panic," as failing dot-coms eliminated jobs, flooding the market with experienced employees at the same time colleges were producing record numbers of graduates. "The market couldn't take that hit at once, and people were floundering, and word got out that computer science was a tough place to get a job," Zweben said. It's now been several years since "the market adapted" and not only has it been absorbing new graduates, but employers have been complaining that universities aren't turning out enough, Zweben said.

Now, a few years later than would be ideal, students are starting to respond. "It's the way the system works," Zweben said.

Both the rise and fall of enrollments have been dramatic over the last 10 years, and educators hope that the new data on declared majors will soon be reflected in degrees awarded. Zweben also predicted that the rebound would start to be reflected in the faculty job market.

New Computer Science Majors in Doctoral Granting Departments in U.S.
Survey of Computing Research Association

Fall 1998 13,900
Fall 1999 13,798
Fall 2000 15,958
Fall 2001 14,559
Fall 2002 13,809
Fall 2003 11,475
Fall 2004 9,749
Fall 2005 7,952
Fall 2006 7,840
Fall 2007 7,915

While the data above reflect new undergraduate majors in doctoral-granting computer science departments, the growth in majors appears to be extending well beyond that part of higher education.

At the seven universities in the Minnesota State Colleges and Universities System, the number of computer science majors over all has increased to 2,105 from 1,425 over the last two years. And majors in programming -- which would include the universities and 25 community colleges -- are up to 1,561 from 815 two years ago.

Bruce Lindberg, executive director of the system's Center for Strategic Information Technology and Security, said that he sees an expansion of the computer science field -- for instance, growth in computer forensics -- attracting new students. Many of the computer science and related majors, Lindberg said, are part-time students. Some are trying to prepare for new jobs, but many "are working to keep their jobs" by staying current in the field.

At Bryn Mawr College, the computer science major is only three years old (although students could pursue a major themselves previously), so that institution didn't experience the declines of the first part of the decade. Deepak Kumar, a professor of computer science, said that the college has typically had between one and five majors a year, and that he expects that the numbers will be up by a few students every year at this point. Bryn Mawr is a participant in a Microsoft program in which the development of "personal robots" is being used to make introductory computer science courses more interesting and relevant to students. Kumar said that the program appears to be having a positive impact, and a new computer science minor is also attracting interest.

Dick Pratt, dean of arts and sciences at Clarkson University, said that applications in computer science are up 25 percent in the last three years, while related majors in software engineering and computer engineering are seeing similar growth. He attributed some of the changes to the improved job market. "The great myth of off-shoring -- people are starting to realize that it's not true. People are getting good jobs." Further, he said that Clarkson had started a series of summer programs for high school students. "A lot of programs are doing a lot more with outreach," he said.

The Georgia Institute of Technology has revised its computer science curriculum to move away from a traditional hardware-software approach to much more emphasis on the creative process and the roles computer science majors go on to assume in their careers.

Giselle Martin, who directs student recruitment for the College of Computing at Georgia Tech, said that undergraduate applications are up 15 percent this year -- in part due to new approaches to explaining the field. One key audience is parents, Martin said. Many remember the horror stories of the job market a few years back and Georgia Tech believes that it can break through that out-of-date mindset most directly with actual employers. So in April, when the college holds a series of events for accepted applicants, there is a panel for parents featuring employers who recruit at Georgia Tech talking about the jobs available and how much demand there is for new graduates.

"With parents, there is still this myth that these technical jobs have been completely off-shored and that the technology market is sinking," she said.

With prospective students, Martin said, the message is about the breadth of computer science jobs and the revised curriculum. "We're placing students in Silicon Valley and all over the United States of course, but also in health care firms in Chile and embassies in Japan," Martin said. To the extent people worry about how they fit into the global economy, she said that computer science degrees are a great way to position oneself. "This is about critical thinking ability -- the ability to look at any project across the board. We want students who are deep thinkers."

Asked if this message is trying to counter a more limited geek image, Martin said, quoting some of her student recruiting ambassadors: "This is geek chic. Our students are getting sexy jobs. Computer science is the new sexy."

Cal Ribbens, associate department head in computer science at Virginia Tech, said his university hasn't yet seen increases, but that the decline has stopped. Five or six years ago, Virginia Tech was seeing 500 freshmen wanting to major, and that's dropped to 100, but has been stable now for more than a year. Those who major in the field are getting "great job offers" and word is starting to spread.

But Ribbens said that several changes were in the works for the curriculum. A new course focuses on problem solving, and several courses are being shifted to focus more on "how to think like a computer scientist," he said. "We are thinking about how we portray ourselves and what we do," Ribbens said. "We do not want to be seen as just offering a bunch of programming classes."

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Comments on 'Chic Geek': Computer Science Major Rebounds

  • I can BullSh**
  • Posted by walterbyrd on March 5, 2008 at 8:45am EST
  • > “With parents, there is still this myth that these technical jobs have been completely off-shored and that the technology market is sinking,” she said.

    This is a classic "strawman" argument. Nobody has claimed that technical jobs have been *completely* off-shored. However, off-shoring is very real, and it is devistating the IT field in the USA. Don't kid yourself.

    Asking a technical college, or an IT contractor, or a CIO, if it's a good time to go into IT; is like asking a realtor if it's a good time to buy a house.

    The bottom line is that salaries in IT are down, and requirements are up - way up. The days of strong growth in IT are long gone.

    Feel free to take a look at my blog - techtoil.org.

  • Workforce Trends for Digital Media
  • Posted by Bob , Institutional Research at RSCCD on March 5, 2008 at 1:25pm EST
  • The expanding computer science and information technology enrollments are needed and expected. The dot-com bubble was premature, but this is the real thing.

    The number of workers in the "Computer software engineers, applications" occupation(SOC 15-1031) is forecast to increase by over 2,200 (+20%) during the next five years in Orange County, CA (median hourly in 2006 was $40.81). This is based upon in-house research for local workforce development and community college curriculum development.

    Due to the incorporation of digital media technology and content into traditional products (i.e. "convergence of technology" such as phones, automobiles, cameras, arts & entertainment). The need for workers with skills suited to manufacturing high tech products, designing high tech products, and creating digital media content is expanding rapidly.

    While wage levels may not be as strong as during the dot com bubble, wages for digital media workers are still higher than most other comparable-skill occupations.

    While the need for workers at all skill levels is increasing for digital media industries and occupations, there is a large decline in other areas. For example, in Orange County, CA (NAICS Code 334)- Computer and electronic product manufacturing and (NAICS Code 335)- Electrical equipment and appliance manufacturig, employment is expected to decline slightly on an overall basis in five years. However, the digital media industries within these groups are expected to increase sharply(digital media industries in 334 and 335 employ large number of "Computer software engineers, applications" workers).

    The decline of employment in traditional product delivery (e.g. printed photographs, magazines, newspapers, broadcasting, advertizing, music, arts & entertainment) is being off-set by increasing employment in the digital media components. Some of the "out-sourcing" is real, but another factor has been enhanced productivity in the work place due to the introduction of digital media technology. The employment declines so evident in traditional product creation, production, and delivery will slow. Strong employment growth within digital media technology will become much more evident in the U.S. economy during the next few years.

  • CS and IT, Promises and Realities
  • Posted by Scrawed on March 5, 2008 at 5:05pm EST
  • Any prospective majors in CS and IT ought to review some of the pertinent sites reporting on very real and very prevalent age and racial discrimination in CS/IT hiring.

    See for example Norm Matloff's site:

    http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/itaa.html

    Also see the following page of links:

    http://www.phds.org/the-big-picture/scientist-shortages/

    Computer science and IT enrollments and employment have been gamed to death for over a decade in order to promote pro-offshore outsourcing and pro-high-immigration agendas. These areas and many related engineering and business functions are so politically corrupted as to be toxic - not only in industry but also in higher education. Many prospective students have recognized this and have directed themselves at more stable employment less prone to disruption.

  • What happened to Americans not being good at Math?
  • Posted by Rob on March 5, 2008 at 9:10pm EST
  • So, when the job market for CS majors improves, more students choose to become CS majors? What happened to all the claims that Americans just weren't good at math and science?

    What's not mentioned in this article is the fact that it completely demolishes the myth that Americans avoid CS simply due to disliking math or lacking adequate mathematical skills. Everyone from the commentators on this website to Bill Gates claimed this was the sole reason for the decline in CS enrollment.

    All this time I have been arguing that the decline in CS majors was due to a decline in the job market in 2000-2004. I make this claim from the personal experience of not being able to find full-time employment for nearly two years.

    In addition, the article notes that both Georgia Tech and Virginia Tech also saw declines in CS students during this time. This fact also demonstrates that the decline in interest followed a decline in the job market, since students at these two science & engineering schools have stronger interests and abilities in the math, science & tech fields.

    Fortunately, if this article is accurate, I appear to have been vindicated. I would be interested in hearing what the "Americans-can't-do-math" crowd has to say now...

  • Some thoughts
  • Posted by Duncan on March 7, 2008 at 9:00am EST
  • I appreciate the links provided by Scrawed. The bottom line is that the IT job is off-shoring. The reason is, of cause, cheap labor.

    However, we need to ask ourself: Is it OK to support/compensate our own labor if people in other countries can do the job cheaper? We have to realize that this is no different from buying toys or consumer electronics from other countries. We need to ask ourselves, why can't we make it cheaper here in the United State? The answer could point to our social needs. Like we want a better society where employee are protected from employer. These are good causes and sooner or later those other countries will facing the same situation and it will cause their products to cost more. The point is this: If we are doing the same thing those people can do, I don't see how can we get paid more. We simply have to do things that they just can't do yet. For example, the Space program - yes, I know they are catching up too.

    Anyway, we simply need to do better. We shouldn't even set our goal at the same level as those countries are and we shouldn't! We spent much more money in education than they are.

    In the case of IT, we should understand that unless we are talking about highly academic/mathematical programming (pattern recognition, compression, encryption), a lot of them are simply labor intensive jobs. So. How many of us can do those? I think those are the training our work force needs - a REALLY good understanding of math. Same applied to other knowledge.

    Sure, it's hard. But don't we think we have the best education system?

  • What's Happening This Week
  • Posted by Scrawed on March 15, 2008 at 8:55pm EDT
  • This is what’s happening on the legal immigration front as of today:

    Two bills were just announced, each of which could as much as triple the number of H-1B visas. Both bills are called “emergency H-1B hikes” in the wake of Gates’ unilateral Congressional testimony earlier this week - no opposing viewpoint or testimony was considered.

    The Innovation Employment Act (H.R.5630) sponsored by Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.), would double the H-1B cap to 130,000 beginning in 2008 and would allow the cap to almost triple to 180,000 if the limit is reached in the preceding year. At the same time, the bill would exempt from that cap anyone who has received a master’s or doctorate from a U.S. university in math, science, engineering, and other technology fields (STEM). It would also undermine the value of a U.S. education by allowing up to 20,000 additional H-1B visas to be allotted for people who obtained STEM degrees from institutions outside the United States.

    The Strengthening United States Technology And Innovation Now (SUSTAIN) Act, proposed by Lamar Smith (R-TX), would raise the H-1B visa cap to 195,000 in 2008 and 2009.

    I wish I could say these were some kind of one-off, but the fact is that legislation of this kind has been considered each and every year for the past five years - sometimes measures of this kind have even been snuck into unrelated bills. Both parties are hip-deep in this, as you can see by the authorship of these and the bi-partisan authorship of the related "SKIL" bill.

    Want to spend your time and money “doing the right thing” in your education and work for American economic competitiveness? If either of these pass, your government will have just blown you off into unrelated employment, unemployment and/or poverty - your investment be damned.