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May 30, 2008

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"Dual enrollment" programs -- in which high school students take college courses while they are still in high school, sometimes taught at the high school and at other times at colleges -- have traditionally been thought of as a way to provide extra enrichment for the most talented students, those who are clearly college-bound.

But a report released Thursday argues that there is another population that stands to benefit from these programs: students who are at risk of not going to college at all. In fact, the report argues that such programs are already having notable successes, and that dual enrollment can be designed to benefit both groups of students.

"Dual enrollment programs have the potential to result in substantial benefits for high school students and their families, particularly for those who may not appear college bound," says the report, "On Ramp to College," which was released by the group Jobs for the Future. "The promise of free of low-cost college credit, combined with the opportunity to compress the time needed to earn a degree, can motivate young people to perform well enough to become eligible."

In addition, the report suggests that such dual enrollment programs may have a better chance at motivating disadvantaged students than do Advanced Placement programs, which rely for credit on "a single, high-stakes test" of the sort that may be intimidating to many students.

While results of some programs that encourage dual enrollment for such students are positive, the report notes that such options are least likely to be available in high schools with high populations of disadvantaged or minority students. As a result, the report urges states to adopt an "equity agenda" that would not only assure the quality of dual enrollment programs (an important goal for those that serve the highly achieving students too) but would also make sure that all students who could benefit have the option of doing so.

The City University of New York's College Now program was cited as an example of the sort of effort that should be widespread. College Now gives students at participating public high schools in New York City the chance to take credit courses and college prep courses at various CUNY campuses.

Matthew Goldstein, CUNY's chancellor, said in a press briefing Thursday that the program is a "poster child" for the dual enrollment concept. In the last seven years, he said, more than 180,000 students have participated, and more than 35,000 have subsequently matriculated in the CUNY system. Many of those students might not otherwise have enrolled or might not otherwise have passed placement tests for college-level work.

What College Now shows, Goldstein said, was that "it is possible to provide high quality opportunities" and then to "scale up" such programs.

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Comments on Dual Degree for a Different High School Population

  • College Going Should Not be the Goal
  • Posted by Bill Coplin , Professor at Maxwell School, Syracuse University on May 30, 2008 at 7:55am EDT
  • Dual degree programs are great. I work with more than 50 high school teachers to offer my freshman course in their schools. They do a great job and their students do on average better than students in my course at Syracuse University.

    However, Inside Higher Education and all journalists covering colleges should avoid praising programs that send more disadvantaged students to college without determining what the college completion rate is for these students. From my limited experience, I bet it is not so hot.

  • Last week: NYU cancels college credit for dual enroll.
  • Posted by Paul Rutter , Doctoral candidate, adult education at Penn State on May 30, 2008 at 9:20am EDT
  • Last week there was an article about NYU no longer awarding credit for dual enrollment.
    Here's from BLOG I keep from you all actually:

    NYU DOWNGRADES DUAL ENROLLMENT
    Beginning in 2009, New York U. will no longer award academic credit to freshmen for college courses they took while in high school.
    http://insidehighered.com/news/2008/05/22/dual

    So.... given this, I wonder just what direction or what message we can interpret? Or I'm missing something. Perhaps an issue for a graduate student to do research!

    Thanks as always to ISHE for keeping us on top of all aspects of thing! [for free.]

  • Posted by Steve Toplan , Director of Admissions at Touro College on May 30, 2008 at 11:20am EDT
  • As the Director of Admissions for a college that sponsors a dual enrollment program, and seeing many of the transcripts for incoming students from other DE programs, I feel a larger problem is one of quality. Many DE programs from across the country have little in common vis a vis the academic regulations. Some colleges offer credits for 11th graders, some colleges will give credit for anyone sitting in the class and others will give credit only if the grade is a B or better.

    DE's will have more universal acceptance only once the various regional accredidation agencies look more carefully at these programs and how they are administered.

  • but are they ready?
  • Posted by bradley bleck , instructor at Spokane Falls CC on May 30, 2008 at 11:20am EDT
  • The state of Washington has what they call "running start" where high school students can attend college classes and earn both their diploma and the first two years of their college credits (an AA if they are diligent). There are some good students who take advantage of this program, but there are also a good many students who are not yet socially, intellectually or psychologically mature enough for the expectations.

    It seems that the reality of the program is to get students through higher ed more quickly and more cheaply (at the expense of the local school districts who pay the college tuition) while also punishing the school districts (by having them pay the tuition when they are already cash strapped).

    If each student was evaluated for their readiness for college, rather than the college being seen as a money saver for parents, we'd get fewer students who don't belong and a better educational experience for everyone.

  • Posted by Mary on May 30, 2008 at 12:05pm EDT
  • Not a comment but more of a question.

    Don't these students have to score high enough on some sort of assessment test to qualify for the dual enrollment? Or are they talking about waiving that requirement to enroll more students who may not be ready for college level material?

  • An answer
  • Posted by Steve Toplan , Director of Admissions on May 30, 2008 at 12:25pm EDT
  • That was my point. The ability for a HS student to earn DE credits is based solely on the sponsoring institution's policies. Personally, it baffles me how any college could run a DE program without any minimal admission standards. However, this is done across the nation.

  • DE programs
  • Posted by JB on May 30, 2008 at 2:30pm EDT
  • If a lot of DE programs are run through community colleges, then the idea of admissions standards is somewhat moot, isn't it? Aren't the bulk of these instituions open enrollment?

    In my state, a student has to be in the top 50% of their class in order to take college-level work for dual credit for free. That's not a tremendous standard, but it's a standard.

  • Dual Enrollment in Florida
  • Posted by Glen S. McGhee , Dir., at Florida Higher Education Accountability Project on May 30, 2008 at 2:40pm EDT
  • Concerns about the educational quality and consistency of dual enrollment need to be addressed.

    The problem is that the gatekeepers for QA/QC in higher ed, the regional accrediting associations, have let this one sneak past them. It wouldn't be the first time.

    Here's a plan for 10th grade on up:
    http://www.bayschools.com/bhs/ACT_Now/sample_plan.php

    With the regional accreditors missing in action, isn't it time that the States stepped up to the plate to maintain quality? Unfortunately, Florida continues dither and ignore the DE accountability gap, even as it comes to rely more and more on dual enrollment it as an inexpensive way to produce college graduates.

    But it may already be too late for the states and the accreditors, if NYU and others are the vanguard, voicing their concerns about quality by simply refusing to transfer DE credits.

  • Posted by GP on May 30, 2008 at 5:40pm EDT
  • I now have freshmen arriving with 40-50 hours. Four observations:

    1. It is tough to start in sophomore courses at our enormous state university. They usually complete their liberal arts classes during high school. The only gen ed classes they have left to take during the first real semester in college are math and science.

    2. There is no college-level academic advising happening in this process in regards to course selection and curriculum required for future majors, if they know what major they want to/should select when they are fifteen.

    3. If they enter majors with few electives and half their high school hours don't fit, they may end up paying the 'too many hours' penalty that was legislated about ten years ago.

    4. So they graduate when they are 20. I've asked corporate recruiters what they thought, and they were not very receptive to the idea of hiring 20-year-olds.

  • DE shouldn't replace HS courses
  • Posted by Lora Zill on May 30, 2008 at 8:45pm EDT
  • I have taught a dual enrollment course for a PA university and also sit on a school board so I view the issue from both perspectives.
    What I want to add to the discussion are how some high schools allow a DE course to replace a high school course, for example, freshman comp can replace a hs English class. This policy does not help future incoming college freshman. If high schools require 4 English credits to graduate, and college freshmen add one more year of comp/critical analysis, or the equivalent, they study English/lit/writing for 5 years.
    With DE replacing a course, now the students only get four years of English training. That is a mistake. Most of my freshmen need the extra year of language and writing, even those who excel at it.

  • DE Programs
  • Posted by Max Schaefer , Professor at Orange County Community College on May 31, 2008 at 11:00am EDT
  • Admission standards are not "moot" if underprepared students end up failing. Over 30% of the entering Freshman class at SUNY Orange will typically be enrolled in two remedial courses; about 40% will be enrolled in one-Math/English/Reading. The average "disadvantaged" DE student figures to be less well prepared than the average student. If that doesn't indicate that DE is putting the cart before the horse, academically, fine; but these programs had better be closely managed for quality control.