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June 2, 2008

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The faculty at Stanford Law School voted last week to approve a grade reform proposal that would eliminate letters and replace them with four levels of achievement. The decision came after a long period of discussion among students and faculty that weighed issues such as collegiality, anxiety and fairness. The debate may be spreading to other law schools across the country.

Stanford's new system -- which will award grades of honors, pass, restricted credit and no credit -- resembles that at Yale Law School, whose four grades are honors, pass, low pass and fail. Across the bay, the University of California, Berkeley, School of Law also eschews letter grades but has two levels above pass: honors and high honors.

Those who support the change at Stanford argue that shifting from the precision of letter grades to broader categories will reduce some pressure and refocus students' and professors' energies on classroom learning. Others worry that de-emphasizing students' GPAs could disadvantage them with potential employers, although that hasn't proven to be an issue with new Yale or Berkeley lawyers.

"The new system includes a shared norm for the proportion of honors to be awarded in both exam and paper courses. No grading system is perfect, but the consensus is that the reform will have significant pedagogical benefits, including that it encourages greater flexibility and innovation in the classroom and in designing metrics for evaluating student work," wrote Stanford Law dean Larry Kramer to students and faculty in an e-mail on Thursday, as first reported by the blog Above the Law.

"As you may know, we spent all year studying the issue and discussing the likely advantages for recruiting students, placing our graduates in practice and clerkships, reducing the disparity between on-mean and off-mean courses, and, above all, enhancing the intellectual environment of the law school."

Now that three of the most elite law schools in the nation have opted for alternatives to traditional grading systems, some eyes will inevitably turn to Cambridge. Early in the decade, Harvard Law School considered a similar move. With Stanford's announcement, rumors have swirled that Harvard had already or would soon adopt a modified pass/fail system of its own. Officials at the school deny that such a decision has been made but acknowledge that the topic is under discussion.

"Many law schools, including Harvard, are looking at ways to simplify grading. We're not at all surprised by Stanford's decision," said Michael Armini, assistant dean for communications at the law school.

In an interview, Kramer said that many of the details of the Stanford shift have yet to be worked out, including when exactly it will take effect. He said the transition will likely occur this September or the following academic year. Other issues include how to ease existing students into the new system, and how to award honors. For example, membership in the national law honor society Order of the Coif is limited to the top 10 percent of each class by grade point average. Honors levels (magna cum laude, etc.) are awarded on a similar basis.

Such distinctions could defeat "some of the purpose of the grading system shift," he said, which is to "reduce the focus on that as opposed to the focus on learning" in the classroom.

Discussions began in earnest before the academic year began, Kramer said. “Each summer, I have coffee or lunch with everyone on the faculty," he said. "Last summer, during the course of our lunches I was surprised how many people raised concerns about the grading system.... Most people seemed also to be thinking in the same general direction, which is to reduce the number of discriminators.”

He said the word, properly understood, applies to Stanford's current system, which ranges from F to A+, based on numerical equivalents whose increments are accurate to a tenth of a point. On top of that, he said, some courses are "on-mean" and some are off, depending on whether the professors grade to a curve based on the mean score. As a result, some students shopped for classes partially based on the grading system employed. It was time to "maybe think about wiping the slate clean and coming up with something simpler," he said.

The grading issue received more attention last fall, when a first-year student sent a mass e-mail encouraging his classmates to take the entire semester pass/fail (or "3k," as students call it, for "credit, reduced credit, no credit"). Stanford allows students to take a limited number of classes pass/fail in their second and third years, but they can opt to do so for their entire schedule only in the first semester of their first year. Still, Kramer said, only one or two students traditionally take advantage of the option.

Not this year. The student, John Kimble, circulated an e-mail containing a link to a shareable file on Google Docs with a modifiable list for students who pledged "to 3k." The list had the effect of assuring them that if they decided to take the plunge, they wouldn't be alone and wouldn't risk being singled out by potential summer employers. By publicly signaling their intention, they avoided what some students referred to as a "prisoner's dilemma" -- it would only be effective if they were certain that a critical mass would do so simultaneously. Between 40 and 50 students, about a third of the class, took their entire first semester pass/fail.

“The stress level in my classes was mounting. It was reaching kind of neurotic levels, and it was kind of undermining the experience," said Kimble, who sent out the e-mail in November, before the pass/fail deadline. He added that his class was a sort of "guinea pig" that would serve as a useful "control group" in determining whether students performed differently in pass/fail classes. Their decisions on which grading system to use, he noted, came after most of the semester's work was already complete (but before finals).

Stanford, like Yale, has a small student body and, Kimble said, it's "pretty mellow for a law school." Still, the arguments being made on both sides of the grading debate reflect the issues sure to face other law schools considering a similar reform.

Above the Law, for example, argued that "this may be a case of 'be careful for what you wish for, you might just get it.' The disadvantage of what we'd call an 'under-articulated' grading system, like the one used by our alma mater, is that there are fewer opportunities to distinguish yourself academically." Or, on the flip side, it would theoretically be easier to coast through school. But Kramer responded to such arguments by noting that, with an average class size of 12, "it’s kind of hard to just check out."

Some commenters on the blog argued that the grade reform would make Harvard Law graduates look comparatively more impressive, while others urged Harvard to follow suit, suggesting that Stanford's system could even attract more students accepted to both schools.

"This system is far superior to a traditional system," wrote another. "Grading is so subjective -- it has much more to do with how well you think like the professor than how well you actually understand the law. I shouldn't get a lower grade than someone else simply because he is as weird as the person teaching the course."

Notably, the debate is mostly confined to the elite few law schools. Even schools outside the top three or four, but still ranked in the top 20, might find advantages to remaining with letter grades, some argued, if only to provide students with the chance to distinguish themselves as on par with their peers at Harvard, Stanford and Yale.

"Good for them, but this fluffy grading is the luxury of schools in like the Top 5 where grades don't matter as much anyway," wrote one commenter. "If you went to a 20-something school like I did, you need to be able to show you were in the top-whatever %% of your class to get into BigLaw, let alone Federal clerkships."

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Comments on Stanford Law Drops Letter Grades

  • Posted by Jonathan Dresner on June 2, 2008 at 6:45am EDT
  • I like it.

    But I'm trying to imagine it imported into an undergraduate environment and failing. Not that I'd mind trying....

  • This is called Leadership
  • Posted by Diogenes , The Hon. Justice on June 2, 2008 at 7:25am EDT
  • Anecdotal evidence for 3L classes is that they are graded generously. It is also reported that this is where advanced level learning takes place. Therefore, cause and effect.

    I had a senior professor at Columbia who told us our grades would be an A on the first day of class. Freed from pressure, our class worked hard -- and creatively. It was our favorite course, and helped determine the direction of many of our careers.

    By the way, true to his word, the professor awarded one "A-" and the remainder "A+'s." It has been rumored that the student who achieved the lowest grade sits on the Federal bench.

  • Undergrad application of no letter grades
  • Posted by Kevin Wesley on June 2, 2008 at 9:00am EDT
  • Jonathan -- I went to Bowdoin College in the 1980s, and for many years, Bowdoin did not have letter grades, instead using the High Honors, Honors, Pass, Fail model. At some point in the early 1990s, Bowdoin went back to letter grades, which is what it uses today.

    We hoped for "duals" (High Honors showed up on your grade report as HH. e.g. dual Hs), and grad schools seemed to all understand the system.

  • Unaccountable Grades
  • Posted by ccbassin on June 2, 2008 at 9:25am EDT
  • The use of nebulous grading, honors, pass, low pass and fail is similar to the method used by the elementary school my children attended. It was preferred as the method most likely to build self esteem. But for an elite college to adopt such a method while requiring high grades, high SAT/ACT scores and accepting students only in a certain percentile of their high school graduating class is completely hypocritical.

    I think it is just another way for colleges to maintain their sense of cult-like elitism where they are really accountable to no one and where they set the standards for themselves which in the end are only there to make them look good. What is the difference between honors, pass, low pass and fail? How can a student protest and unfair "grade" if their mark is based on the whim, sentimentality or prejudice of a professor who because of his tenure is also unaccountable to a specific standard?

    Let's just call it a form of narcissistic deregulation to self-perpetuate a reputation based not on numbers or results but on a determined effort to remain unaccountable to the public by a complicit agreement to make yourself look good on the surface. Colleges know Americans are suckers for good marketing.

  • Months vs. Weeks....
  • Posted by EastRiverMountain , Director, Public Relations/Marketing at Concord University on June 2, 2008 at 9:35am EDT
  • How silly, much ado about...grades?

    A rose by any other name....and, pregnant women can count down the time to delivery in months or weeks...so? All irrelevant.

    The real question is, 'are the students learning?'

  • Posted by Prof TK , Adjunct Instructor on June 2, 2008 at 9:35am EDT
  • The law school that I attended in the '90's used a non-traditional grading system. The one problem I encountered was when I was looking for jobs in the legal profession, many employers who were not familiar with the grading system did not understand what the grades really meant. They understood A, B, C and so on. An sheet with an explanation for the grades was attached to the transcript.

    A few years after I graduated, the school abandoned the practice.

    I guess my concern is that will employers really "get it"? I mean, for years, the traditional system has worked. We all know what an "A" means. Is this just something to make the PC world happy?

  • Posted by Kevin Smith on June 2, 2008 at 9:45am EDT
  • When I was a student 25 years ago at Yale's Divinity School, an almost identical system was in place -- honors, high pass, pass and fail in place of letter grades. The irony was that it was the students themselves, those whose quest for a more cooperative community was supposedly being honored, who demanded more discriminators to help them judge their performance vis-a-vis classmates. The result was that I once received a "high pass plus plus" in a class; it was apparently intended to be the equivalent of an A-.

  • Radical thinking?
  • Posted by TDP on June 2, 2008 at 10:00am EDT
  • Hey, I have an idea for Stanford Law, Yale Law and the like. To simplify their evaluation system, assign letters to each level of achievement:

    High honors = A
    Honors = B
    Pass = C
    Low Pass = D
    No Credit = F

  • four step grading system vs.five
  • Posted by garrett on June 2, 2008 at 1:30pm EDT
  • So, basically the letter grade C has been removed and the bell curve of effort vrs mastery denied. Everybody is a winner! This is one of the more prevelant strategies to obscure grade inflation.

  • I'm with TDP, above..
  • Posted by DaveS on June 2, 2008 at 1:50pm EDT
  • TDP is on to something revolutionary there.

  • Posted by JOhn Hood on June 2, 2008 at 2:30pm EDT
  • How about Perfect, Spectacular, Fantastic, Excellent, Very Good.

  • Posted by JC on June 2, 2008 at 2:30pm EDT
  • Did Stanford add the F grade back in? I remember they removed it for a long time (D being the lowest grade you could get).

  • Moot Point
  • Posted by John on June 2, 2008 at 3:50pm EDT
  • The reality is that most top law schools have long since eliminated anything below a C, and even that is reserved for the most egregious of slackers. I'm currently a law student at a top-20 law school, and one hears "horror stories" about people who bombed exams and received Cs.

    Regardless, I'm with the other commentators who have argued that employers will simply find a way to translate the new system of evaluation into its letter-grade equivalent. At the end of the day, grades are the main barometer that employers use to differentiate among applicants. Removing the grades themselves won't stop employers from doing so; it will just make them more creative about attempting to standardize applicants' qualifications. This is all academic anyway, however; nobody from Harvard, Yale, or Stanford Law Schools has much trouble getting a job.

  • Welcome to our school
  • Posted by Befuddled on June 2, 2008 at 5:00pm EDT
  • Can I take your order? Combo number 1 – would you like to Honors-size that today?

  • Grades?
  • Posted by Pixelkiller on June 2, 2008 at 6:30pm EDT
  • This is silly. Grown people wasting time on this. Why not use the system that Hogwarts School of Wizarding uses:
    O: Outstanding
    E: Exceeds expectations
    A: Acceptible
    P: Poor
    D: Dreadful
    T: Troll
    Works for me, what-the-hell.

  • Money
  • Posted by Oldfart on June 3, 2008 at 7:20am EDT
  • This is all about money. If you remove "F=Fail", you can keep failing students in class longer and suck more money out of their parents.

  • Posted by Peter Morgan , multidimensionality on June 3, 2008 at 9:10am EDT
  • Multidimensionality of reporting is key. If someone has a Pass in International Law but a High Honors in Constitutional Law, it gives you an idea where their interests are. Within a given topic, however, a given term paper may be well-argued and well-written but not innovative; innovative and well-written but not convincing; passionate and well-argued but overly pessimistic. Multiple skills can be reported for each class, not just A-F. Low dimensionality reporting can fail the most interesting students, for example, by giving them a C for a course instead of a C+C+A report. How many and which dimensions can usefully be reported is of course difficult.
    The modification to Stanford Law's grades is manifestly no change at all on the fundamental question of dimensionality.

  • "The Precision of Grades"
  • Posted by Bil Johnson at Yale University on June 4, 2008 at 8:40am EDT
  • Including a phrase like "the precision of grades" is, possibly, ignorant but, at the very least, thoughtless (as in, "lack of thinking").
    How are letter grades "precise?" Does Stanford Law School have published criteria in each of its courses which clearly states "To receive an 'A' a student will...."
    If grades are determined by professors without regard to public, known criteria then how, I would ask, are they "precise?" Is a grade from Professor X in "Contracts" based on the same Standards and Criteria as the grade given in Professor Y's "Trusts & Estates" course?
    We know the answer to that question and it exposes the ridiculousness of claiming that letter grading has an "precision" to it whatsoever.

  • Posted by art on June 23, 2008 at 9:45am EDT
  • Stanford's decision is interesting considering the experience of my alma mater, University @ Buffalo. Although UB is arguably not in the same league as Stanford, it is going through the same debate particularly after the school dropped about 23 places in the latest (flawed) USNWR rankings. Many of the current and former students point to our grading system (Honors, Qualified, D and F) as one reason for the drop since it made us less competitive in the market place. It will be interesting to see whether other schools, elite and non-elite, follow Stanford.