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Friday was the last day of classes at the University of California at San Diego, where students faced a weekend of studying before finals began on Monday. If any of them ventured to a nearby La Jolla shopping center, they might have encountered representatives from a new Web site there to make their pitch: Give us a test — any old test — and we’ll give you a $5 Starbucks coffee card.

If that sounds like a surprisingly blunt quid pro quo, it’s consistent with the purpose of the site, called PostYourTest.com, which encourages students to upload tests and exams from their courses — anonymously, if they want — for others to find and download. The concept has already aroused suspicion and concern among some faculty members at UCSD, where many of the posted tests originated, and seems to run afoul of both traditionally accepted norms of academic integrity and, potentially, copyright law.

The PostYourTest event on Friday, at which students could electronically scan old tests for a coffee card on the spot, is part of a campaign to raise awareness and collect materials for the site. Its creator, Demir Oral, is from San Diego and is initially focusing his efforts there. Among the 500 or so exams currently available (by Oral’s reckoning), those not from UCSD are mainly from other institutions in the area, such as Palomar Community College.

“I’m sure I will get a lot of questions about the morality of PostYourTest.com,” Oral writes on the site. “I want people to understand that this website is not a tool for cheating, and I do not advocate cheating in any way. However I know that in this time anonymity is appreciated, and I am always thinking a step ahead, so to create and download tests you do not have to have a user account.”

As a mechanism for protecting professors who do not want their exams — which are, by law, copyrighted material — posted to the site, it has an option allowing faculty members to add their names to a “ban list” that blocks uploaded materials from any of their classes. That presumes, however, that professors know that the site exists and are aware that their tests could appear on it. At UCSD, the chairman of the Academic Senate, James Posakony, raised the issue at a recent meeting.

Rebecca Klatch, a professor of sociology and representative to the academic body who heard the discussion, said she e-mailed the department after the meeting to spread the word. “If I wanted them to have the questions ahead of time, I’d just hand them out,” she said of making tests freely available to her students. She added, as well, that it was difficult enough to write exams in the social sciences that are “meaningful,” with the implication that creating new tests every semester would be an unwieldy and unnecessary task.

“Why did the site owner not approach UCSD (and other universities) with a request to partner, to be the provider of a central exam database?” asked Tricia Bertram Gallant, UCSD’s academic integrity coordinator who initially brought the site to the attention of the Academic Senate. “Why is anonymity important if this site is on the ethical side of the teaching and learning equation? There were multiple alternative courses of action the owner could have taken to start the website and some can clearly be identified as more ethical (i.e., transparent and honest) than others.”

Not all faculty feel the same way. “I’ve had faculty tell me it’s their solemn duty to make old exams keys available,” Posakony said, to allow their students to adequately prepare for finals, for example.

That view is shared by the site’s creator, who explains the site’s mission as one that promotes equality and fairness, not cheating. “I never liked that some students had access to exams, and some would have to even purchase them from school organizations,” Oral said in an e-mail. “I thought a service like this should be free and accessible to anyone day or night.” The site displays Google ads to collect revenue.

To be sure, the traditional model of exam-sharing goes back to old-fashioned photo-copying or the fraternity house stash. In Oral’s view, and that of some professors, that privileges some students over others, and the solution is to offer the material to everyone to level the playing field. Gallant agrees with Oral in that sense, that “by giving everyone equal access to old exams, students are not afforded unfair advantage by their ’status’ in the university (e.g., as a member of a Greek house),” she wrote in an e-mail.

“However,” she continued, “... the prevalent use of unauthorized exams may undermine the teaching and learning process and change that which a professor is evaluating. The way in which the exams are being obtained can also undermine the teaching and learning process because it undermines the trust between a professor and her students.”

To solve the problem of potential academic integrity violations without undermining professors’ varied opinions on the matter, Posakony said the university decided on an “educational” approach that offered a choice to opt out of the site — essentially simplifying and automating the existing ban list functionality. Professors were given the opportunity to fill out a custom-made Web form that would then create a list of courses and faculty members that would be passed on to the site’s creators to be added to the ban list, with their cooperation, he said. The result is that the list, published on the site, has dozens of professors and lecturers, mostly from UCSD.

Beyond integrity issues, the site has also raised copyright concerns. “I realize that there may be a diversity of faculty opinion with regard to this website, but I for one find it unacceptable that this organization makes a practice of posting old exams for classes without first asking permission from the professors to do so,” said Ethan Bier, a biology professor, in an e-mail. “In my view this is violation of copyrights that are implicit for materials posted on class websites unless specified otherwise. I do not know what the legality of this practice is, but if it is not illegal, I believe that it should be.”

The site actually does ask for permission — from the students. But that practice seems to be at odds with a common understanding of copyright law, substituting a third party’s assent for the person who actually holds the copyright.

“Having a student assert that permission was granted,” said Chris Armour, a biology lecturer at UCSD, is indefensible. “It is obvious that the operators of the website know this because they allow the posting students to remain anonymous. They may find themselves up against some pretty aggressive legal challenges when they post some material from a large publishing house’s ‘text bank’ that is used (with permission) by a faculty member as part of an exam,” he continued, in an e-mail.

“It’s very clear that they have a very murky understanding, or a nonexistent understanding” of copyright law, Posakony said.

The potential for exams to contain other copyrighted material is real. At the same time, some of the posted documents are exam keys, rather than blank, presumably from faculty members who handed them out after they were graded.

But Oral defends the site’s policies. “Because the site does not actually sell the exams or charge for anything, and due to the quick response of ban requests, we are not worried about any potential copyright infringement,” he said.

He continued that PostYourTest.com has even partnered with another San Diego-area institution, John Paul the Great Catholic University, which will use the site essentially as a course management system, to post notes and assignments and to facilitate class discussions.

Posakony worries that the idea of posting course materials online without permission could spread beyond exams to other copyrighted components such as texts or notes. But for his part, Oral said he was working to expand the site’s reach nationally, and beyond.

Andy Guess

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not that clear

Somehow, people don’t have a problem with “fraternities” keeping files of old exams for the benefit of only their members. Yet, when someone starts doing this on an egalitarian basis, suddenly people discover “copyright” issues that never existed when students were doing this on a small scale.

Whether posting such exams actually violates copyright law is not a simple question and to simply lay down a categorical rule would be an oversimplification.

Some professors use identical exams every year. Some “groups” of people have access to such exams, yet these professors are unwilling to write new exams. This site might make people a bit less lazy.

Larry, at 6:35 am EDT on June 10, 2008

Unfortunately faculty should see this as a wake up call. As a first step, faculty should clearly display a copyright notice and an explicit statement of allowable uses of their material — AT the BOTTOM of EVERY SINGLE PAGE. The creative comments provides a nice model though I am not sure if they have licenses that are as restrictive as some faculty members might want.

That way there is no ambiguity for anyone. Secondly, I feel colleges and universities should have policies that students disseminating exams or teaching materials against the explicit wishes of a faculty member is misconduct that will be punished like cheating or any other misconduct. In my view that is appropriate and provides remedies that can be implemented without resorting to the legal system that would be far more costly and disruptive to faculty members and students.

As for people who want set up sites like this, if faculty clearly state acceptable uses and these sites violate them they are open to a lawsuit and potentially criminal penalties and they have no excuses. They have no right to say you have to sign up for some arbitrary “don’t post my material list” if the material clearly states it is not to be disseminated. Unfortunately, if the problem continues, it will be necessary for someone or better an organized group to go to court and force the issue. These sites will be easy to deal with, its when it goes underground that it will be more difficult.

Eduction would also be helpful. Student should realize that writing good exams not only takes a lot of effort but items need to be tried out and edited since even the most carefully written items do not always work. If they force faculty to have to write a new exam for every iteration of a course, they are guaranteed to have crappy exams. They might anyway, but this way it is assured.

Anonymous, at 7:45 am EDT on June 10, 2008

Anonymous, It isn’t that clear. In essence, you can’t reserve rights that are not protected. At some level, some parts of tests are protected by fair use, and other parts of the test were never the professor’s to start. So, even though you claim that there would be “no ambiguity” there, in fact, would be.

And sure, some professor may sue (though this might be impractical), but that doesn’t mean that he would win, and it DOES mean that he would have to explain how we was injured.

Larry, at 8:00 am EDT on June 10, 2008

Pretty Clear, Actually

While I do agree with Larry that encouraging professors to not blindly re-use certain kinds of tests is generally a positive outcome, the copyright issue does seem pretty straightforward.

I’m a strong advocate for the exercise of fair use rights, but even within the excessively vague language of US copyright law, this practice appears to be a clear violation and Mr. Oral would be hard-pressed to make a good fair use case.

The copyright on the exams belongs to the professors (or the university, depending on what the professors’ contracts specify), so the students cannot give permission for use anymore than a student could buy a textbook, photocopy it, and give away the photocopy — purchasing a copy does not confer the right to copy the work. And the question of giving away versus the selling of said copy doesn’t make a difference — giving it away for free doesn’t make it any less of a copyright violation (and, in any case, the site is generating revenue by offering these materials, which proves that the exams have a monetary value that is being denied the creator of the works — a point that definitely weakens any fair use claim).

The exams have copyright protection as soon as they are fixed in a tangible form, regardless of whether there is a notice of copyright on them.

Having said that, I do think that this site will raise some interesting conversations, and if universities are willing to work with the site (or develop their own), this could be a useful pedagogical tool.

Douglas Eyman, George Mason University, at 8:10 am EDT on June 10, 2008

(Some) students always get old exams

No matter what you do, some students will always be able to either keep or put together a copy of your old exam. As a result, well-connected students have a large advantage over not-so-connected students.

Professors need to realize this fact and that many disadvantaged or struggling students are harmed by their stubbornness to use the same old exam every year, even when a good chunk of the class knows that it is coming.

For example, I took an advanced mathematics course as an undergraduate in which I was the only non-math major in the class. The math majors found copies of the previous exams and studied off those, while I did not even know they existed. When the professor recycled questions and almost everyone got an extremely difficult question perfectly correct, he finally suspected that people had old exams and he had to readminister with a brand new exam.

Professors, please level the playing field for all students.

Robert, PhD Student, at 8:10 am EDT on June 10, 2008

I’ve dealt with this on an administrative basis.

Personally, I share Larry’s view that these old test/homework files have been around for a long time. In fact, my institution has a term for such files—"koofers"—so of course, a web site has been developed around it.

I made faculty members in my department aware of the site, so that they could make appropriate arrangements to deal with the fact that old assignments are out there. I admit I was somewhat surprised to find that the concern was over the scale of availability. (Now everyone had access to materials, while only a few did before.)

I will admit it is challenging to develop new test material for courses that are taught fall, spring, summer I, and summer II, but that’s the position we’re in.

HokieEngineer, Virginia Tech, at 8:40 am EDT on June 10, 2008

Larry,

There is no ambiguity in the author’s intention. That is what I meant. If a faculty member writes a test from scratch, yes, I believe it is their property. Most colleges and universities waive the works for hire provision of the copyright law for material faculty develop in the normal course of their duties. They definitely do so at my institution, Michigan State University. I don’t think fair use covers posting someone’s copyrighted material on the web for all to freely download. Of course, there are exceptions such as using existing items from an existing pool, etc, but that is not the point.

As to damages, spending several days putting the effort into rewriting good items because a test has been widely distributed constitutes some damages in my view. I am not saying it is easy to sue someone, or in anyones best interest. That is why it would be better handled in the case of students internally. With a web site that seems planning on going national, the potential damages are greatly compounded. If they are blatantly ignoring the wishes of faculty in terms of the use of their material, then I do think it makes sense to go after them as a group or at an institutional level. Obviously it is a last resort.

As to your first point, people DO have a problem with fraternity test banks when they include tests the owners do not want disseminated and it is just as unfair and just as wrong as doing it on the web. It is just harder to deal with and does not excuse or justify doing the same thing on the web.

Lots of faculty are willing to let their test items and other material be disseminated and this material can be very useful as a legitimate study aide. The decision should be up to person or people who created the material.

Anonymous, at 8:40 am EDT on June 10, 2008

How is Mr. Oral financing the website? Is this a non-profit activity on his part?

He’s giving away Starbucks certificates to encurage students to submit their exams. Is he selling ads targeted at college students?

Anonymous, at 10:10 am EDT on June 10, 2008

Looking forward to the possibility....

...that this latest nonsense will force consideration of a return to (1) oral examinations (over recycled paper exams) and concomitantly (2) smaller class sizes and reduced overall enrollment to deal with the pressures to offer students genuine experience with learning rather than a mental cut-and-paste job. Let Business bear the onus of training their cogs and let universities be a space for those who want to learn for learning’s sake.

Better still, we might with smaller class sizes do away even with evaluating students at semester in order to generate a letter grade and instead see periodic oral exams ("I’m studying for my sophomore orals.").

But that’s just me. I’m sure this will just turn into another way to judge faculty as “not up to snuff” if they can’t create new exams every term and good teachers will be passed over for good test makers. *sigh*

Gorgias, at 10:10 am EDT on June 10, 2008

replies

Mr. Eyeman, You raise a good point, but I see a slight contradiction there. At one point you claim that the work is the property of the professor, and at another point you claim that some works “for hire” (a term of art) and property of the institution. As we agree, this varies by school. However, not all schools reserve copyrights in everything they produce. But, assuming that the school *does* do this, the professor wouldn’t have standing to sue.

While I am not an intellectual property jock, I don’t thing this practice is as “clear” a violation as it would seem. (When conducting a “fair use” analysis, whether the stuff is “given” away is relevant, as it means its use might not be commercial.) For example, if a professor law professor simply copies a “fact pattern” from a non-copyrighted source (such as something produced by the US government), I don’t think that he could claim that his selection is not only subject to his copyright, but also that any use of his selection is “fair use.” And, even if he did, what would be his damages?

My fear, Mr. Eyeman, is that some professors are trying to use the copyright law not to protect original work that they produced, but rather to try and maintain a veil of confidentiality over exams, so that they can reuse them like one of those cloth-like bags that Whole Foods gives you.

Anonymous, I don’t know if “ambiguity in the author’s intention” is what matters. I know that professors “wish” things to happen, but their “wishes” seem to be simply desires to keep things secret. The copyright act doesn’t provide for secrecy of content.

I think most of your point is sort of normative about what should happen. In my view, what SHOULD happen is that professors should recreate tests every year. Sure, it is hard, but they get paid. Likewise, all students should have precisely the same access to previous tests every year.

I don’t have the definitive answer on this issue. However, I think that most of the parties involved are not being honest. Professors are trying to be lazy. Schools are not providing students with equal access. And students are trying to get by as best they can.

Larry, at 10:30 am EDT on June 10, 2008

The copyrighting of exam materials can be registered at http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ64.html

Karen Greene, Radiological Society of North America, at 10:30 am EDT on June 10, 2008

Copyright issue: A really big red herring

I’ve taught at every level from middle school through doctoral level and at all times have considered the purpose of a test to be an opportunity for students to show what they know. A well-designed test, one that covers the most essential knowledge of a course, does this. So why not use a test as a study guide?

Those students who want to cheat themselves by not doing the reading, coming to class, or sharing their learning in a study group can usually get their hands on old tests through a number of good old-fashioned low-tech methods anyway.

In addition, a test sharing site is an advantage to teachers. It becomes another resource for finding new and interesting test questions created by peers at other institutions, thus raising the standards of excellence all the way around.

Cecelia, at 10:30 am EDT on June 10, 2008

The real issue here is cheating, honor and not taking responsibility for one’s own learning. The issue of leveling the playing field is balderdash. Leveling the playing field should be done by holding those sharing exams and illegally cheating accountable. If fraternities are doing this then their charters should be revoked and suspended until it is stopped and the members are trained on the ethics and commit to making choices that do not harm themselves and others with the learning and theft and in appropriate dissemination of materials. This website should be disbanded immediately. If professors want the students to learn from old materials then they should be the ones handling that and it should go no further than their current classes like a contract because the professors are orchestrating the curriculum, teaching and evaluation for those students and classes. Cheating and unauthorized sharing just means that no real learning is going on and that kind of breach of ethics is what encouraged a generation and bad business practices in debacles such as ENRON. Let’s take some responsibility please and not play games with technicalities but support the spirit and ethics of learning. As a member of the public, I certainly do not want to hire anyone who condones cheating as leveling the playing field because then that person won’t respect a business contract of confidentiality. That does pose a huge problem for our society. We should all be standing up against that kind of behavior.

Cherlyn Glanville, at 11:00 am EDT on June 10, 2008

Douglas’ comment warrants repetition: “The exams have copyright protection as soon as they are fixed in a tangible form, regardless of whether there is a notice of copyright on them.”

Exactly! Faculty need to understand that simple fact. Of course fraternities and sororities have had exam files for decades and decades. In so doing they’ve been violating professors’ intellectual property rights for decades and decades. (That’s why they keep their files in secret, by the way).

Demir Oral should be sued into poverty. If I had an orange grove, I’ve be well within my rights to bring civil penalties against the individual whippersnappers who stole oranges from it. If some punk opened an orange stand comprised of illegally seized neighborhood fruit, we wouldn’t say, “Well, it’s okay because other kids steal fruit. Besides, the owners of the trees don’t know their property rights.”

Copyright kicks in at the moment of creation, but faculty members would be on better footing to push for statutory damages if they paid the $45 fee with the copyright office to register their exams. So, no, this is not a new “discovery” of professors’ copyright protection as Larry suggests. Likewise, I’ve met very few faculty members who *don’t* have a problem with fraternities and sororities keeping exam files – but those campus organizations are a little more discreet than the for-profit organization described in the article.

Cecelia: If faculty members want to get in a big digital drum circle and share exams in an open source setting, that’s fine. But that’s not what the article is talking about. The article is discussing an organization that provides financial incentives for third parties to steal professors’ copyrighted material so it can profit from the distribution of that material. Copyright is not a red herring; it’s the main plot.

Brian, Asst. Prof. at Large Midwest U, at 11:00 am EDT on June 10, 2008

What’s the big deal?

At my institution, we have a dedicated place on the school’s intranet where old exams are posted. Faculty members are encouraged to post their old exams so that students can use them to prepare for their finals. Some of us go beyond that and post model answers or memos discussing the exams.

I was surprised to read about faculty complaining about the need to make up new exam questions every semester. I write new exam questions for every examination, and have never reused a question. I’ve been teaching for 26 years. My exams are all law school essay exams. I know that some of my colleagues who like to use multiple choice or other short answer exams do not routinely post those because of the difficulty of making up new ones.

Perhaps the law school world is just different from the undergraduate world, but I would consider a professor who gives the same exams year after year to be terminally lazy.

Art Leonard, Professor at New York Law School, at 11:05 am EDT on June 10, 2008

secure tests

Ms. Greene, I should have mentioned the “Secure test” provision. However, I doubt that any professor really wants to administer a test in which “administered under supervision at specified centers on specific dates, all copies of which are accounted for and either destroyed or returned to restricted locked storage following each administration.”

Quite frankly, if a professor feels that so strongly about “securing” his test (which requires a personal trip to Washington), he obviously has little interest in writing a new test each year.

But, even if those procedures are followed, fair use would still apply. The copyright provisions themselves do not guarantee confidentiality, or even make it a crime to disclose what was on a “secure” test. Instead, they allow people to register works they claim a copyright in that are otherwise “secure.”

Larry, at 11:05 am EDT on June 10, 2008

“But that practice seems to be at odds with a common understanding of copyright law, substituting a third party’s assent for the person who actually holds the copyright."And this compares to the Turnitin.com copyright case how?

Steve, at 11:15 am EDT on June 10, 2008

There Are Just Too Many Misguided Wimps For Me!

One of the troubles with higher education these days is that there are just too many wimps standing in the front of the classroom ... or, more probably, sitting in a circle with their students thus decreasing the likelihood that the students can write, refer to reference materials, have access to their laptops, or even think about using an overhead projector or a white board.

“We will spend this semester chatting with each other ... and remember, civility is the watchword. Oh yes, and please call me Biff (or Wendy).”

Allow me to set the stage for my comments by telling you I have an appendix to my vita that lists thirty-five different courses I have taught over the years (and I’m certain there are more than that ... and there are definitely many variations on the themes of the listed courses depending on the backgrounds of the participants) These courses vary from “Mathematics for Elementary School Teachers” to “Foundations of Logic” to “Differential Equations” to “Advanced Statistical Methods” to “Public Choice” to “Operations Management” to “Total Quality Management.” I have had semesters during which I taught four courses, and, while most of my friends with those schedules prefer to teach multiple sections of the same course (that presumably “lightens” the load), I always preferred a schedule of four different courses. I hate to teach two sections of the same course during the same term.

In any event, I have composed at least one test (but almost always two tests) plus a final examination for every section I have taught of every one of those courses, and I generally post the tests for the past two courses for the students to use as study guides for an upcoming test.

Take, for example, my “Introduction to What’s Happening Now” course. First, I will have a very extensive syllabus describing, on a daily basis, what is expected of the student. I always have my own very clearly defined instructional objectives, my tests are always aligned with those objectives, and my students’ grades will be highly correlated with the extent to which their participation and subsequent knowledge is consistent with those objectives. I’m guessing there may be a maximum of 300 basic questions and multiple variations on those 300 themes that constitute the core of the course and, roughly speaking, form my “test bank” for the course. If I could, I would give my students this entire test bank at the beginning of the term and say, “Here’s the course. Learn it. During the term, I will test you on as much of this stuff – and variations thereof – as I can. Tests will be stratified random samples from this test bank.”

And what about copyrighting it? Nonsense! Most of the questions I might ask have already been asked by others. If I run into a really good test question elsewhere, I go right into plagiarism mode, and some variation of the question will find its way onto a future test of mine. Many of my (take-home) test questions are very extensive data analysis exercises based upon the published work of others, and, in those cases, I will cite the studies and give credit to the authors. But this notion that “Oh I spent many hours of hard work making this test, so it belongs to me in a copyright sense.” How bush league is that! I can hardly wait until my electrician brings suit against me for rewiring something he thought satisfied my objectives perfectively.

We academicians are in the business of disseminating information, exploring new ideas, and extending the use of knowing (of knowledge). It’s a mere test for God’s sake. Think about it, make sure it’s aligned with your instructional objectives, make sure it’s what your students have every reason to expect, administer it, grade it, and explain it after the fact (I usually give the students the key to the test immediately after they take it, because, after all, testing is supposed to be a learning experience). But give the damned thing away ... and be thankful someone wants it and even imagines they can make a buck from it! And don’t forget, if your testing strategy were optimal to begin with, your students would readily recognize they have no use for the PostYourTest.com product.

Frizbane Manley, at 11:35 am EDT on June 10, 2008

Brian, You are simply wrong about a fraternities file violating the copyright act. There Copyright Act does not prevent possession of a copyrighted work. Moreover, even assuming that there is a valid copyright, fair use may allow for some redistribution. So, even assuming that the professor can claim a copyright in his work, that doesn’t give him a right to keep his ideas secret.

Moreover, the copyright act doesn’t prevent repeating ideas. Only certain expressions of the ideas.

The issue in the Turnitin case is whether Turnitin, by retaining copies of student test violated the students’ copyrights. In general, it doesn’t, since one can’t prevent the USE of one’s own work for comparison with others.

Ms. Glanville: I don’t really see this as being about “honor.” There is nothing immoral about studying from prior exams. Whether “cheating” is “illegal” is a difficult question. Indeed, I hardly see what is “illegal” about knowing something going into the test. Taking your argument to its logical conclusion, you would make it a crime for a student to KNOW anything that the professor didn’t tell him. What are the limits to this? Should it be illegal for the student to buy a commercial outline? What about to talk to another student? Another professor? (Talking to other students and professors is by no means protected by the Copyright Act. Indeed, redisseminating the IDEAS expressed is never protected by the act.)

Your reference to ENRON doesn’t make much sense. Do you even know what individuals involved in the ENRON debacle were accused and/or convicted of.

While I am completely in favor of revoking fraternities charters, most schools really only revoke them in the case of physical injuries.

Larry, at 12:15 pm EDT on June 10, 2008

Copyright Issues at Hand

Hello everyone, this is Demir, creator of PostYourTest.com. To answer a few of the issues posted here regarding copyright, the site is fair and legal with all regards. If any material has been posted illegally, it is taken down very fast. There have been only a few complaints that have warranted this action, but I expect more to be on their way and I am ready to deal with them just as I have dealt with many other complaints. To the gentleman named Larry, who has posted a few comments regarding professors using copyrighted material to create exams, actually they do own the copyright even if using some previously copyrighted materials because they have manipulated the material into their own words. This however can translate a student to, for whatever reason, rewrite exams and then post them onto my site, voiding the professor’s previous copyright. This is just one of the reasons I need an individual to confirm they in fact have the appropriate permissions to post. There have also been some questions as to the legality of the actual posting process. I imagine most of you (from a legal standpoint) will compare my site to the music industry and the RIAA/p2p sites. The issue with these sites is that the copyright to the music is typically owned by a handful of studios, while exams can be owned by universities, professors, textbook companies, students, and/or really anyone that wants to take a few hours and write one and post it to the site. Unlike the music p2p sites however, if the poster was not honest with PostYourTest.com in agreeing with the terms and conditions set aside for that post, I take that exam down straightaway. There is one other issue presented with this copyright and the music industry. The music industry sells their music, while professors give out their exams to students with no expectation of material return from the students. There has only been one actual ban (at least that I have seen) due to a professor selling his exams in a book. I can absolutely understand this ban, however how many professors go and actually sell their exams? One person asked how I was funded. I am funded more or less through a company that I set up, and through money I make/made during college. Oh and to be honest, I am not at all “rolling in it". I work at another job, and this is something that I do in my off time. By the way, there are a couple of sites that charge for professors’ course materials, which I think is very unfair and very unethical. To also answer Professor Bertram-Gallant’s question of me being the UCSD central test hub, would you still want PostYourTest.com to be in charge of this? I know it would take unwanted strain off of UCSD’s servers. Send me an e-mail through the PostYourTest.com contact form if you are interested in doing so.

Demir Oral, at 12:15 pm EDT on June 10, 2008

What ever happened to the essay examination for humanities and social science courses? Essay exams were given in all of my classes at a large state university. This would also help control textbook prices. Publishers would no longer have to supply exam questions. Students would learn to organize their knowledge and write coherent responses.

david, at 12:25 pm EDT on June 10, 2008

“Demir Oral should be sued into poverty. If I had an orange grove, I’ve be well within my rights to bring civil penalties against the individual whippersnappers who stole oranges from it. If some punk opened an orange stand comprised of illegally seized neighborhood fruit, we wouldn’t say, “Well, it’s okay because other kids steal fruit. Besides, the owners of the trees don’t know their property rights.””

Brian, this comment is actually untrue. I do not have a long handle-bar mustache and a top hat, and I do not go into your offices and steal your exams. Nor do I ask your students to do the same.

The rewards program was actually for only a limited time, and this was an incentive to get people interested in the site. There have been students that have come to our table, signed our legal form (same as the one you see on the site), submitted exams, and then a day or two later the site received a ban request and some of the exams were taken down. End of story.

Demir oral, at 1:00 pm EDT on June 10, 2008

two different arguments

Mr. Oral, “...regarding professors using copyrighted material to create exams, actually they do own the copyright even if using some previously copyrighted materials because they have manipulated the material into their own word.” This is not a foregone conclusion. The degree of manipulation matters, and exactly where the contours lie is a beyond me. But, this discussion is sort of irrelevant to your position, since you want to get peoples’ permission.

Some tests require more “manipulation” than others. Some tests are made up simply of material that couldn’t be copyrighted. But, I don’t think you are really basing your conclusions on this part of the argument.

Whatever the case, for those that think that this service is bad, there is an easy solution: Make up a new test every year.

LArry, at 2:05 pm EDT on June 10, 2008

“The site actually does ask for permission — from the students.”

Hello, Demir again. I want to go over this particular point in the story that I forgot to comment on earlier. This is 1/2 true in the sense that yes, it asks for the student’s permission, but it also asks for the permission of everyone that is going to post. The site is not saying “Oh, you’re a student therefore we have to get you to sign this, but you’re a professor so go right ahead.” Everyone has to agree to the Terms and Conditions, and thats that.

“The degree of manipulation matters, and exactly where the contours lie is a beyond me. But, this discussion is sort of irrelevant to your position, since you want to get peoples’ permission.”

Larry yes I do want permission, but I would also like the site to be recognized as legal, which for some reason or another seems to be the biggest debate here (versus equality, which is what the site was created for in the first place). I do agree with you that indeed the degree of manipulation does matter.

Demir Oral, at 2:35 pm EDT on June 10, 2008

Ah, quit whining folks. It’s not as if these tests actually demonstrate student learning. After all, if they did, you would have shared them with Spellings commission to enhance student learning across the nation.

Or, is your so-called intellectual property that important to you?

Provocateur, at 2:40 pm EDT on June 10, 2008

Why are students given copies of tests in the first place

If professors are concerned that students are getting and sharing old tests, then why are they giving tests back to students? I teach classes ranging in size from 9 to 135, and my students never get to keep their graded tests (let alone the key!). Instead, I invite students to make an appointment to visit me if they want to go over their tests (question by question, even). Few take me up on the offer. Plus, I DO rewrite tests (and create new assignments) every semester. Except for some core questions (which can be rephrased), why would a teacher keep using the same questions every semester? It just takes a little extra effort on the part of the teacher. Problem solved.

Dan Close, Associate Professor at Wichita State University, at 3:00 pm EDT on June 10, 2008

This is ridiculous

If advance knowledge of how a test looks biases students with that knowledge to perform better, the test is worthless. If instructors would actually put some thought into their tests, this would be a complete non-issue. I find it appalling that so many people are hiding behind the copyright aspects of this case and not looking at the instructional angle.

jbd, instructional designer, at 3:00 pm EDT on June 10, 2008

UCSD’s General Counsel and Technology Transfer and Intellectual Property Services office should initiate legal proceedings immediately against the owner of the website, for copyright theft.

There should be no pretense that this is for any purpose other than making it easy to get good grades without putting forth the effort to learn the material. Next, it can be extended to homework assignments, papers, reports, and all of the materials a student must produce to prove that s/he has earned the right to a good grade. Why bother going to college at all, in fact, if one can forge one’s way through life without negative repercussions?

This punishes the students who work hard, and without cheat-sheets, to earn the grades that will affect their future. I wonder if Demir Oral’s grades are something he’s proud of.

If Oral truly believed he was performing a public service to “equalize opportunities", he would do this without benefitting from any ad revenue.

lw, at 3:30 pm EDT on June 10, 2008

Depends on the subject ...

I am worried that the value of studying from previous exams is relative to the subject matter being taught. For example, the sciences purport to teach “facts,” and what matters is that the students demonstrate knowledge of these facts. If the previous tests are well-written, they can presumably be a great resource for preparation.

There are disciplines, however, in which what is central is the development of “skills.” This is certainly the case in, say, literature and philosophy. What we want is for students to become skilled at reading, understanding, and thinking carefully about things for themselves.

The point of exams in these subjects is not the regurgitation of “answers” but the demonstration of acquired skills.

Studying from previous exams a.) does not help develop these skills, and b.) actually hampers the practice of these skills by constraining thought only to those previous exam questions.

Granted, it can be very helpful to have examples of the kinds of questions which may be asked. Furthermore, much effort needs to be made to avoid recycling material. But when a humanities course is taught using the same (very important) texts year after year, it becomes exceedingly difficult to come up with completely new questions that are pitched at an appropriate level for undergraduate students.

Oral exams are clearly the way to go, but these days the humanities are lucky to have money for paper, let alone time with students.

anonymous, Grad Student at UCSD, at 3:35 pm EDT on June 10, 2008

“Whatever the case, for those that think that this service is bad, there is an easy solution: Make up a new test every year.”

It’s a solution, but in no way an easy or good one. In fact, writing good, fair, demanding, and reliable tests is damned hard. It consumes considerable time and energy. Further, if new tests are to be redevised every term, duplication and unfair advantage based on review of past tests (and not on mastery of tested material) is not only inevitable, but almost immediate.

Shouldn’t education and accurate assessment of subject mastery be a concern?

JBM, at 4:15 pm EDT on June 10, 2008

nobody forging

LW, Nobody is forging anything. In some schools (as in most, if not all law schools) all exams are on file for everyone. The question is whether students can create these files on their own, and what law applies. Now, make no mistake, people in law school work hard. In fact, when everyone has access to the same tests they have to work harder (since everyone is graded on a curve). So, I don’t think that this “service” is actually letting anyone get away with not learning.

I don’t think that Mr. Oral (what a name) is really benefitting from Google Adsense. Maybe a few hundred bucks, but he isn’t exactly retiring on this money. My guess is that his Google revenue pays for the cost of the server.\

Finally, LW, various people have discussed the copyright issues. It isn’t at-all clear-cut. Mr. Oral tries to prevent works where there is an assertion of a copyright from being uploaded. I am not so sure that all exams are copyrighted, since not a lot of them are purely derivative (nothing wrong with that).

I have always defended professors on here. However, I am genuinely baffled by the lack of responsibility being taken by them. Why should a copy of a prior year’s test hurt the testing process? Somehow, while professors see no problem with bashing students for being lazy, they are unwilling to 1) write new tests each year; or 2) aggressively pursue cheating on non-exam work.

Of course it is hard work to make up a new test. But, that is all part of teaching.

Finally, JBM, “subject mastery” is a concern in general. However, for the time being, subject mastery is measured the best way we know how: though examsmenship. We need to admit that to ourselves. There will always be good test-takers and bad test-takers.

This dispute sort of reminds me of the development of tax practice. A long time ago, tax law used to be a Washington professor. Washington lawyers had access to the IRS, and usually access to various memos sent around the service that let people know how the service was thinking of things. People outside DC didn’t have this access, and sometimes would be taken aback by the service’s positions. After Watergate, with FOIA and other legislation this started changing. The IRS began releasing its internal memoranda, as well as redacted copies of its Private Letter Rulings. Lawyers throughout the country were not on equal footing. Within 10 years, most of these materials were easily available to all lawyers via computers. Is this so wrong?

LArry, at 5:25 pm EDT on June 10, 2008

“However, for the time being, subject mastery is measured the best way we know how: though examsmenship. We need to admit that to ourselves.”

“Examsmenship” is dependent on the caliber of exams administered, which is the concern that many here have expressed. It is not feasible to completely reinvent fair, reliable, accurate, and unique testing exercises for every course at least twice a year, every term. People with experience crafting such exercises understand the challenges they present and their importance for assessing student education.

Exams are not a game, or some IP hypo, or an Internet money-making scheme. They tell students what they do and do not know. Forcing conditions that foster inferior and recycled exercises does grave harm to the very students that exams are designed to serve.

JBM, at 6:25 pm EDT on June 10, 2008

lw, I would like to address your comments first.

1. UCSD’s General Counsel and Technology Transfer and Intellectual Property Services office should initiate legal proceedings immediately against the owner of the website, for copyright theft.

UCSD would be hard pressed to actually win a dispute, due to the fact that the site complies with copyright law and takes down (and enforces) any properly submitted ban requests. Think of this feature like YouTube’s policies. Lots of copyrighted video gets posted, and they quickly respond to it. However, they probably wouldn’t WANT to enter into a legal dispute considering that they would make less than their cost of talking to a lawyer for a few minutes. Copyright damages are awarded as 3x the initial damage. The revenue brought by the ads has not been nearly as overwhelming as you and I would like it to be.

2. There should be no pretense that this is for any purpose other than making it easy to get good grades without putting forth the effort to learn the material. Next, it can be extended to homework assignments, papers, reports, and all of the materials a student must produce to prove that s/he has earned the right to a good grade. Why bother going to college at all, in fact, if one can forge one’s way through life without negative repercussions?

Yes, the right to a good grade should be earned by studying. Do you think that just because a student has an old exam that he/she is going to study only off of that exam before he/she takes the future exam? If so, how would they study? You assume that they would study only by memorization and not actually applying learned knowledge to the questions that the exam gives them. Many exams actually

3. This punishes the students who work hard, and without cheat-sheets, to earn the grades that will affect their future. I wonder if Demir Oral’s grades are something he’s proud of.

I’m not promoting cheating, nor am I allowing “cheat sheets” on my website.Considering that I graduated with a degree in business/MIS, that I have a web-background and designed the site, and also considering that some of my professors give out their exams for exactly the reason I created the site, you bet I’m proud of my grades and of my site.

4. If Oral truly believed he was performing a public service to “equalize opportunities", he would do this without benefitting from any ad revenue.

I truly disagree with this statement. To promote equality does not mean someone should not make any money off of it, but perhaps at times we take some equality for granted. For example, the news used to be only for the elite and now everyone can turn on a tv set and watch it or browse through it on the internet because a few people got together and said that it needed to be done, and believe me, they’re making a lot more from ad-revenue than I have made.

Larry, your turn:I don’t think that Mr. Oral (what a name) is really benefitting from Google Adsense.

I want to make this very clear. The money I have made from Adsense since the site’s initial beta has not even made enough to sustain a server for one month. If I wanted to get out of this for monetary reasons, I have had a great excuse for a long time. And yes Larry, my name is *ahem* unique lol. No one has to be very formal though, you can refer to me as Demir if you like. I’m pretty easygoing with it all. Cheers!

Demir Oral, at 9:15 pm EDT on June 10, 2008

don’t give them the exams

I do give essentially the same exams year after year, with some modifications here and there when needed (like a change in the lecture due to a new edition text being put out).

I NEVER let students keep an exam or the key after they take it. Exams are graded and handed out during the following class period, we go over every answer and I do not allow them to take notes at the time. They can ask all the questions they want about why they missed something, and are always told they can come by my office if they need further clarification. I take the exams back, and that’s it — problem solved.

J Fatherree, at 5:10 am EDT on June 11, 2008

Finished With Yuor Exam?Good.Now Share It

This is like an AVALANCHE. Students like the idea of having previous tests available for the studying purpose.ThereforeFaculty members should adapt PostYourTest.com and take adventage of it.After all it is FREE for everyone.GO DEMIR!!

Mr.B, at 5:10 am EDT on June 11, 2008

If anyone is going to claim copyright on such a test or exam these sites would just disappear behind a login. A large part of the webs function is to share information. There’s no way you can fight that off.

If it becomes a problem for schools they will just have to find another way to test students. Making new tests every year seems like the only viable solution.

John Sportvoeding, at 5:10 am EDT on June 11, 2008

A nice potential learning resource

I like the idea of a national compilation of tests and test questions. It’s always interesting to see what kinds of tests and questions others are constructing. Heck—ask professors to submit their tests too. As soon as this grows beyond one university’s tests, it becomes an interesting resource and study guide rather than an opportunity to cheat.

While some students might choose to memorize my past test questions, I think it would be most interesting to raid good questions off about twenty other institution’s tests and give that rather than use any of my old questions. Any student that studies twenty other professor’s exams probably gets an A’s worth of knowledge out of that effort. (By the way, students, it’s a lot easier to read a text and study one person’s notes.)

There are only two groups that should object to this (1) professors who write stupid test questions and would be embarrassed by being identified publicly as their creators and (2) the aforementioned fraternities and unsavory students after they get smart enough to realize that all professors need to do to destroy the “cheat-value” of that site and every fraternity file in the nation as an opportunity to cheat is to drown that site with information and then start making use of it.

My only question is (1) “Where can I get a Starbuck’s gift certificate for every test I upload?”

Prof Ed, at 5:10 am EDT on June 11, 2008

If professors expect student to put in 110% all the time, then they should be expected to function at the same capacity. Students have to write completely original papers multiple times a semester... professors should write new, completely original tests. that’s the only way to combat the inevitableness of a site like this. with academic forces constantly conspiring against students (turnitin.com for example which, by nature, does not benefit students in any way and discourages many by finding consequential similarities between completely random papers) it was only a matter of time before someone fought back. Now professors are being held to same unreasonable standards students are held to. Sucks doesn’t it? Well shelling out 5 to 40 grand a semester just to be screwed over by a test or a paper that only some people had access to before hand does too. It’s time to level the playing field and bring the focus of higher education back to learning and the continued pursuit of knowledge— not just creating and forcing students to prepare for tests designed to break, not make students.

Kelly, at 8:30 am EDT on June 11, 2008

Larry, We both agree that the Copyright Act doesn’t prevent repeating ideas, but the extent to which exams are creative products, they’re still protected under the Act. We’re talking about exam replicas of exams that have been sneaked out of exams rooms or surreptitiously photocopied with phones. You can use the same procedures as Dan Close and Fatherree and still have students walk out of the room with a copy of your exam, especially if the class enrolls more than 40. You might be right about the Turnitin case, but it’s under appeal and there are several reasons it doesn’t parallel the service described in the article.

Again, I have no problem with professors sharing exams in open source environs, but postyourtest sounds & looks like a term paper mill.

I smuggled a spy camera into the MCAT, took photos of the questions, and have posted them online for a fee. What’s wrong with that? I’m appalled by your petty legal and ethical objections over my effort to share medical knowledge.

Brian, at 9:35 am EDT on June 11, 2008

I agree WHOLEHEARTEDLY with robert, phd. The educational system is supposed to be fair. It’s one thing to have knowledge about the subject before even signing up for the class. It’s another thing if know EXACTLY what is coming for the test. This is OUTRAGEOUS.

I’m in grad school right now, and I’m ticked that I have to use these sneaky methods in order to get good grades (which I didn’t do as an undergrad, by the way) It’s RIDICULOUS!

The tests don’t have to be available to the public. It should be available to students who are taking the course. Make it fair, professors!

Anonymous, Anonymous, at 11:45 am EDT on June 11, 2008

This is simply cheating

All these arguments about lazy professors (there are a few, but not many), copyright (almost certainly owned by the professors), and the intrinsic value of exams (they are not “given away free", they are part of an educational package for which the students are paying tens of thousands of dollars) miss the point that if a professor does not want to distribute past exams, then procuring them is simply cheating. The UCSD Policy on Integrity of Scholarship reads:

“Students are expected to complete the course in compliance with the instructor’s standards. No student shall engage in any activity that involves attempting to receive a grade by means other than honest effort; for example: No student shall knowingly procure, provide, or accept any unauthorized material that contains questions or answers to any examination or assignment to be given at a subsequent time. ... No student shall employ aids excluded by the instructor in undertaking course work or in completing any exam or assignment. “

Suing this site, understandably an attractive idea to some, is probably just an exercise in whack-a-mole. Our only hope is to convince students that cheating is a waste of their tuition money, is socially unacceptable, and could lead to dismissal.

Steve C., Professor at UCSD, at 3:15 pm EDT on June 11, 2008

Steve C.If truly you feel that receiving past exams is cheating, then why do several UCSD professors AS WELL AS UCSD have a paper archive of old tests for students to view (I believe the UCSD primary archive is called “soft reserves")? That in fact was one of the reasons I picked UCSD to advertise at first.

It seems that UCSD’s academic policy is flexible (maybe even paradoxical) in this matter...

Demir Oral, at 3:45 pm EDT on June 11, 2008

postyourtest

Demir Oral-this site is long over due!!! Kelly hit the nail on the head when she commented on shelling out 5 to 40 grand a semester just to be screwed over by a test or paper that only some people have access to beforehand SUCKS!!! I urge all students and faculty to upload their tests to this site! EVERYONE should have access to archived tests not just the select few!!!What an awesome study tool this truly is!! Keep up the good work Demir!!

Miss R, at 5:25 pm EDT on June 11, 2008

This is RIDICULOUS

The teachers really should make old tests available to all if they give their tests out. It’s really unfair to people who don’t have access to the tests.

Anonymous, at 8:25 pm EDT on June 11, 2008

Follow up on UCSD Soft Reserves

Steve C.

Yes, it seems that UCSD does something similar to what I do with one exception: UCSD charges students for soft reserve documents. And no, its not included in tuition.

Demir Oral, at 5:10 am EDT on June 12, 2008

Let’s put ALL athletes on Steroids

Let’s put all Athletes on steroids so that nobody has an unfair disadvantage. Let’s allow ALL citizens to cheat on their taxes so that everyone is equal. Ah yes, the new morality—I love the smell of napalm in the morning.

Statements about “fairness” and “equality” are just attempts to establish a false “intent” (since infringement cases consider intent). Speaking of which: Please get informed about copyright law before posting more comments—the misconceptions are getting scary, and I worry that people actually believe these posts since supposedly intelligent people are writing them.

Juliet Davis, Associate Professor of COM at The University of Tampa, at 8:50 pm EDT on June 15, 2008

PERMISSION

Demir, you seem to be missing the point. You can publish original works of authorship (e.g., professors’ tests) if permission is given to do so. Otherwise, all you have is an old-fashioned Napster-like scam going on here.

And yes, students can have access to old tests if professors grant them that access, but again, the key is PERMISSION. Some professors use old tests as study guides; others do not change their tests or only have a few different versions.

To blame professors here for laziness and failure to re-create their tests each semester is pretty funny. I guess novelists are too lazy to write a new novel to replace their old ones every month. We should all be able to publish other poeple’s novels, right?

Permission is the key for any copyrighted work (and any original work of authorship has copyright, whether or not it is registered with the Library of Congress and whether or not it has a copyright notification at the bottom).

But your lawyers will tell you that soon. You’re gonna need a bunch of them.

Juliet Davis, Associate Professor of Communication at The University of Tampa, at 8:50 pm EDT on June 15, 2008

Past exams are study tools for both students and professors!

I had a professor that gave away many of her past exams knowing that they would be fantastic study tools. I imagine a site like this would be equally helpful if not more helpful to professors in preparing for exams, considering now professors have the option to look around the world for exam questions from similar departments and classes. It will improve the quality of education for everyone, especially those with little access to textbooks and paper documents.

I find it appalling that professors would hide behind copyright in order to be lazy. Novelists get paid to write one novel. Professors get paid to write new exams all the time, not to slack off. Students have to put in hours of work to pass classes, why can’t professors put in that same amount of thought-provoking time each semester? These aren’t upcoming exam keys that are being sold or given away to students, but rather exams from previous classes. In terms of copyright, the site looks like it requires anyone that posts to have proper permissions (I haven’t registered to the site, so I’m not sure exactly what they ask for after registration).

I think Professor Davis has a misguided view on this. This site doesn’t act like steroids or Al Capone, it acts more like a personal trainer or TurboTax.

Recently Graduated Student, at 6:35 pm EDT on June 16, 2008

The “banned” list is no more

The site no longer allows professors to put their names on a list to ban posting of their exams.

Cindy Stern, at 1:55 pm EDT on July 14, 2008

user point system

Looks like postyourtest.com has a user-point system available now. I wonder if some professors will take advantage of this; it looks like they’re going to have the coffee cards available again!http://postyourtest.com/news/users-earn-points-post

anon, at 4:25 pm EDT on August 12, 2008

Postyourtest.com went international

Though I am not sure if anyone on this board or at InsideHigherEd.com still tracks the developments at postyourtest.com, but a week and a half ago, it seems they went international when someone from Oman posted a statistics exam. Perhaps this is rather ominous and means cheaters are abound, or perhaps it means that there are other people around the world that agree with the idea of transparency in education.

Prof. Anon, at 2:55 pm EDT on October 7, 2008

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