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Is Hyde Park the New Cambridge (for Mocking Liberal Academics)?

June 12, 2008

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Presidential election years tend to feature plenty of Cambridge-bashing, especially given the tendency of the Democratic Party to nominate candidates who either live in Massachusetts or went to college there -- and Republican success at portraying Democrats as tied to Cambridge intellectuals as opposed to "average" Americans. Conservatives, including Ivy-educated conservatives, have had great fun at this over the years -- think of William F. Buckley Jr.'s famous quip about preferring to be governed by the first 2,000 names in the Boston phone book than by the faculty of Harvard University.

Sen. Barack Obama, who graduated from Harvard's law school, would appear to be a likely target for such attacks. But as the blogosphere has been noting and analyzing, Hyde Park and the University of Chicago may be replacing Cambridge and Harvard as the pundits' target of choice when it comes to intellectually oriented neighborhoods. Some fear that Milton Friedman may be rolling in his grave now that pundits are suggesting that "Chicago school" might be seen as ... devoid of conservative thought?

This week on "Hardball," Chris Matthews is asking whether Obama is "too University of Chicago?" (Obama taught law there and his wife was an administrator there.)

The new cover story in The Weekly Standard, meanwhile, is called "Mr. Obama's Neighborhood" and argues that despite the fame of Chicago for being home to such conservative and neconservative luminaries over the years as Allan Bloom and Friedman, they are both dead, and many of their disciples "aren't getting any younger," leaving the university's reputation as home for conservative thought "wobbly." The truth about the neighborhood, the article says, it that it's a place where university "paternalism" helps support nice restaurants and new stores.

In language that will no doubt scare many Americans away from Hyde Park, the magazine writes: "A friend once described Hyde Park as 'Berkeley with snow,' and it does indeed have the same graduate-student flavor, the same political activism and boho intellectualism, the same alarmingly high number of men wandering about looking like NPR announcers -- the wispy beards and wire rims, the pressed jeans and unscuffed sneakers, the backpacks and the bikes."

Daniel W. Drezner, formerly of the University of Chicago and now at Tufts University, blogs that it's "a bit odd to imply that Obama is either responsible for or a product of the neighborhood’s odd political economy," but he goes on to question the university's efforts in Hyde Park, writing that "anyone who moved to Hyde Park in the past 20 years quickly figures out all of the costs, benefits, and legacies of the University of Chicago’s longstanding paternalism. Indeed, it would be hard to spend time in Hyde Park and not come away with a sober view of the limitations on governments and non-profit organizations in bettering a place."

It has fallen to The Wall Street Journal to defend Hyde Park and (in a manner of speaking) Friedman's legacy. A column by Thomas Frank Wednesday said: "True, there is a clique of professors in Hyde Park who are 'alien' to working-class interests.... Those professors are conservatives, however: members of the University of Chicago's law and economics departments who have given that institution much of its worldwide fame. Their hostility to the working class is not to be doubted. They have dreamed up ways to get the New Deal ruled unconstitutional. They have railed against labor unions and higher minimum wages while cheering lustily for NAFTA and grotesque pay inequality. At this very moment, in that diabolical neighborhood of Hyde Park, the university is setting up a lavishly funded Milton Friedman Institute in order to better worship the greatest free-market evangelist of them all."

Frank's column also suggests that it's no coincidence that Hyde Park is suddenly the focus of attention in conservative publications. He notes that an article in The Washington Post last week said that Sen. John McCain's campaign was going to cite Obama's choice of living in an academic neighborhood as evidence against him. "Republicans plan to describe Obama as an elitist from the Hyde Park section of Chicago, where liberal professors mingle in an academic world that is alien to most working-class voters."

At Chicago, officials are being careful not to endorse anyone, so Julie Peterson, vice president for communications at the university, framed her comments as being about the institution and its community, not Obama.

She said that the university and Hyde Park "are marked by a wide diversity of ideas and opinions." And while the community produced Harold Washington and Carol Moseley Braun, it has also been home to Milton Friedman and Antonin Scalia, she noted. "Milton Friedman's scholarship, in fact, shaped much of modern conservative economic thought."

The university is not "consistently aligned with a single political party," she said, adding that "in true Chicago fashion, I'd have to say those assertions are simply not supported by the evidence."

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Comments on Is Hyde Park the New Cambridge (for Mocking Liberal Academics)?

  • Hahahahaha
  • Posted by Graduate Student , Graduate Student at University of Chicago on June 12, 2008 at 8:15am EDT
  • Cambridge and Hyde Park?? Really? I live three blocks from the Quads and have had to deal with multiple thefts, threats, and rude people. We had a murder of a student on the campus just this past academic year. It is hardly the liberal academic utopia imagined by these articles. You are more likely to come across scowling panhandlers than any wispy-bearded students while walking down the streets.

  • Posted by kgotthardt on June 12, 2008 at 8:50am EDT
  • Doesn't every college have the wispy-beards? And every business sector? I don't get it.

    Would be great to have a president who initially graduated from a Community College. Let's shake up the world a little more.

  • About Hyde Park and those who mock it
  • Posted by UC grad on June 12, 2008 at 9:30am EDT
  • Hyde Park is one of the most fully integrated neighborhoods in the country. It's a very pleasant old place on the south side of Chicago surrounded by some pretty poor and predominantly African-American neighborhoods. Hyde Park is pretty well-to-do, although it is nothing like Cambridge or Berkeley - it's just dense with old houses and apartment buildings not a great place for restaurants or even bookstores or headshops or newer Abercombie & Finch-anchored malls.

    U of Chicago is certainly nothing like Berkeley in terms of politics -- there are some very left wing people, but it's much more stodgy overall. It is highly intellectual and the people there are highly intelligent. No football team. But this intelligent community is open-minded about building bridges to the communities around it. Rather than walling off the rest of the south side, it serves as a high-point for the south side and, led by the university, has all sorts of projects that serve and pull in the poorer communities around it. The Obama's are Ivy league educated professionals, they both work at U of Chicago, they have strong friend and family ties on the south side, and they are African-American with many white friends. This would be a very comfortable place for them. Where else would they live?

    The slur on Hyde Park is far removed from reality. When we hear it coming from a number of right-wing sources, it's clearly just a coordinated message from the noise machine. Sort of setting up a swiftboating effort. That machine's just playing the race card, and playing the liberals are commies game. They don't care about the truth of their words or the impact, only about winning.

  • Posted by katherine , Has the author been there? on June 12, 2008 at 10:10am EDT
  • Anyone that has spend more than a day in Hyde Park knows that comparing it to Cambridge is extremeley laughable. Although in recent years, many well to do people have been buying old brownstones, it is still an area where you watch your back...every time of the day. It is NOT one of Chicago's elitest neighborhoods. I could likst atleast a dozen others before I would list Hyde Park. Get your story straight and visit!

  • Old saws from a UC veteran
  • Posted by Cliff Adelman on June 12, 2008 at 10:10am EDT
  • Old guides to UC:

    1) A Baptist institution on an Episcopalian campus where agnostic professors teach Catholicism to Jewish students.

    2) "It works in fact, but will it work in theory?"

    I suspect that most UC graduate students (the majority of the school) wind up living in dimmer South Shore (as I did some decades ago), not Hyde Park, smelling the dead alewives of summer, shoveling the grey snow of winter, and finding their heads more than anything else. Enough said!

  • Obama's Neighboorhood
  • Posted by ChicagoGrl on June 12, 2008 at 11:20am EDT
  • I was born and raised in Chicago and Hyde Park is not all that. It's crowded and about 70% dirty. There are no professors walking around let alone everyday people. They neighborhood barely has a university feel but it is extremely diversified. Also, in response to the person's comment on South Shore in which I grew up there's nothing wrong with that area either. If you want to talk about elite areas try Evanston where Northwestern is located. If you have not been to any of these neighborhoods do not write about what you do not know. So Hyde Park is not the New Cambridge and far from it!

  • Posted by Alex Golub , Assisant Professor at University of Hawaii on June 12, 2008 at 1:40pm EDT
  • I think the line goes "where agnostic Jewish professors teach Thomism to doubting Protestants", which is a reference to the Adler/Hutchins college curriculum. The other line about Hyde Park, of course, is that it is that place where "white people and black people march arm and arm... against the poor."

    I wish I could say that I didn't understand how 'conservatives' could take aim at an institution where people still regularly read Aristotle for fun, but I'm afraid I do. The version of 'conservatism' reported in this article is more Andrew Jackson than Matthew Arnold, and doesn't seem to have much sense that 'conservative' involves actually having something to 'conserve.'

    If this is a populist, nativist version of 'conservative' then the University's tradition of erudition (even the plain-speaking Chicagoan domestication of European erudition) probably _doesn't_ count as 'conservative' for it. And neither would the neighborhood's unique progressive/protective history of zoning.

    At any rate the Hyde Park Co-op closed and Rockefeller Chapel's organ has been restored and enlarged, so perhaps there is hope for 'conservatives' yet...

  • How secure?
  • Posted by Buzz on June 12, 2008 at 2:55pm EDT
  • When I dropped-off my cousin at U-C, the joke was, "largest police forces in the Chicago area --"

    1. Chicago PD.

    2. Illinois State Police, Chicago branch.

    3. Univ. of Chicago police.

    Dang. Could have left my Glock-9 at home.

  • Professors and the working class?
  • Posted by Bob on June 12, 2008 at 3:35pm EDT
  • Could someone with a decades old upper level education, secure position, faculty club and gym privileges plus a good salary really understand the pain of today's lower middle class, even if they had roots in that class?

    I doubt many tenured profs could.

  • I love Hyde Park
  • Posted by Craig A. Cunningham , U of C grad and Hyde Parker on June 12, 2008 at 5:00pm EDT
  • Funny how people's impressions of a neighborhood (and the tenacity in which they hold onto "facts") vary so much.

    1. U of C does have a football team now. They are Division 3, which means they don't offer athletic scholarships (I think).

    2. Hyde Park has some of the best bookstores in the world, including the Seminary Co-op (and its cousin 57th Street books), a number of used bookstores, and a relatively new Border's. Well, okay, the Border's isn't great as Border's go....but you'd be hard-pressed not to find the book you need or want somewhere in Hyde Park.

    3. Hyde Park is IN the south side of Chicago, and so, yes, there is crime. Most of the crime is property crime, which makes sense given that the neighborhood is surrounded by neighborhoods that are less wel off. (If you wanted to score a quick buck by breaking into an apartment, wouldn't it make sense to do it in Hyde Park rather than Woodlawn?)

    4. BUT, those of us who live in Hyde Park find it a quite safe neighborhood to live in, provided that the normal precautions of urban life are taken, and provided that you don't allow the occasional property crime (my car windows have been smashed a few times in the 20 years I've been here) make you feel unsafe.

    5. Hyde Park has some pretty good restaurants. On this score, those who used to live here, or Ferguson in his Weekly Standard article, are simply misinformed. We have a decent Japansese restaurant, a very good cajun restaurant, a Caribbean one, a couple of pan-Asian ones, a Korean one, a very good French one (the one referred to in the Ferguson article, no doubt) and a Middle-eastern one, as well as numerous other choices for dining in and out. We also have the lakefront, some very good parks, excellent schools, and numerous cafes and even one or two venues for live music.

    6. The Weekly Standard article makes a big deal of the notion that Hyde Park is unlike the rest of America and tends to attract people who are "unrooted." I'd agree with that. It's a cosmopolitan place, with intellectual people who believe more in listening and disputing than in denigrating other points of view or sticking to dogma.

    7. Hyde Parkers are rightly proud of our legacy as political independent from the rest of the city, grateful to the University for shaping the neighborhood through the years and keeping it comfortable today, but also somewhat ashamed of the urban renewal history and what it did to the neighborhood's poor people. But on the whole, we live here because we love it, and because we believe in living with difference and working together to achieve common community goals.

    8. Barack is very much a Hyde Parker -- no question that he fits in!! -- but his living here and teaching stint at the law school hardly proves that he is biased against the poor, or Hispanics, or that he shares some of the more radical ideas of university faculty or members of the neighborhood. But we are VERY proud of him, and what he's accomplished, and most of us (I suspect) are hopeful that he will demonstrate some of our shared values when (!) he ascends to the presidency.

  • Never been to Cambridge but
  • Posted by George T. Karnezis on June 12, 2008 at 5:30pm EDT
  • I'm a South Sider who went to Harvard School on the south periphery of Hyde Park, and who later got a Masters at UC (66). Hyde Park was always a kind of Mecca, especially the old Medici coffee house and bookstore which anticipated Borders by decades, and which served the best Burgers on dark Russian Rye bread (and I think still does in its changed location). Seminary Bookstore is a wonderful treat and makes time slow down. And Jimmy's.

    As for elitism, whatever that means, I've recently learned about the good work of UC Prof.Danielle Allen on civic education and participation, and her book, TALKING TO STRANGERS is a must read. People like her are not inhabiting some proverbial ivory tower, and the work of the late UC Prof Wayne Booth remains inspiring. He never let us forget that the teaching of rhetoric was essential to a liberal education and a healthy democracy.

    Those who caricature Hyde Park as some elitist haven, or mock Obama for being out of touch with regular folk, are not only talking rubbish, they refuse to appreciate the facts of Obama's life and sneeringly wonder at this allegedly uppity guy simply because he can craft a sentence, a capacity they're unused to seeing given what Bush has accustomed them to.

  • Go Obama, Go Obama, Go Obama
  • Posted by Greg Harris on June 13, 2008 at 11:05am EDT
  • I just love Obama for choosing U of C and Hyde Park for school (teaching there), community etc… The new Cambridge??... for sure….and yes we have all the conservative toppings plus a liberal heartbeat fueled by tons and tons very poor African Americans…including me. I even had an encounter with the secret service police…just last week because of Mr. Obama…no harm done!

    We have the best of all worlds from 5 million dollars homes to panhandlers who know that the huge police force packing those Glocks working for U of C will shot to kill if you happen to visit that fabulous estate unwelcome. I was born at U of C and recently was kicked out because Blue Cross/ Blue Shield those very conservative republican business icons don’t pay they bills on time. I went to grammar school there, high school there and marvel at the integrated race co-mingling that has existed there since my Black as the ace of spades Uncle and White as the driven snow Aunt married and moved there and walked the streets without fear back in the 1950’s.

    Any attack on us because of Mr Obama winnings is just a smoke screen for what’s really going on and believe me Chicago has much worse race problems that Hyde Park has always been not the case because Chicago is a very segregated city with Hyde Park being one of the few places blacks & whites are known for loving, caring and helping each other while the rest of Chicago goes closet conservative republican offering resentment because of Hyde Park’s progressive community being light years ahead of the rest of the city and country…..and Chicago… because of the traditional historic Mayoral concept is very racist based on power, politics and closet republicans with democratic machine jobs who claim to care about the poor….and don’t. And one last point my family owned a Restaurant in that community for almost 100 years…I do understand…..Obama is a blessing for the whole country and change is long over due.

  • Hyde Park
  • Posted by Justine on June 14, 2008 at 4:35pm EDT
  • Why not look into Richard Posner and his son, Eric? Take a look at their legal writing and ask yourselves again whether Hyde Park (E. was at the University of Chicago Laboratory School with me) is a left-wing, homogeneous kind of place. (Justice Scalia's kids were in school with us, too.)

  • Hyde Park vs Cambridge
  • Posted by Booboo on June 14, 2008 at 5:55pm EDT
  • I am amazed that people believe that Harvard/MIT and Chicago are liberal institutions. They are conservative bastions with a very few progressive faculty who make a lot of noise, such as Chomsky et al. Otherwise, they are repressive, brutally misogynist, thoroughly racist, proudly Eurocentric and die-hard stone-hearted communities. As one who holds degrees from both communities, I have seen plenty of both. The best I can say is that Chicago is more straightforward about its Draconianism; Harvard tries to pretend that it is something that it is not: progressive. Nothing could be further from the truth.

  • Posted by Josh R. , Minor Correction on June 19, 2008 at 1:20pm EDT
  • An earlier commenter mentioned that Chicago does not have a football team. They do. The Maroons. Indeed, the very first winner of the Heisman Trophy was Jay Berwanger, a University of Chicago student.

    They have a football team, but as that post implies, not many people really care about it.

  • Hyde Park vs. Cambridge
  • Posted by TwoWorldsCollide on June 24, 2008 at 10:25am EDT
  • As a product of both neighborhoods, Cambridge for college, Hyde Park for grad school, I find the comparison wantidly lacking. I found Cambridge a lively mix of ideas, personalities and events. Hyde Park was barely alive. The sun never shines over the U. Of C. and I never feared for my life in Cambridge. You go to Chicago because you'll be free to think alone in the wilderness without much interruption. I was far more focused in Chicago but wouldn't go back there for anything in the world.