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June 26, 2008

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The American Bar Association considers, as part of its accreditation requirements, a law school's commitment to a diverse student population. For top-ranking institutions, that usually means some combination of aggressive outreach, race-conscious affirmative action and on-campus support services to help recruit and retain underrepresented minorities.

But what if the ABA's diversity standard led some students on the path to failure?

Since 2005, when The Stanford Law Review published a controversial and highly publicized study concluding that there would be more black lawyers if law schools did not use affirmative action in admissions, opponents of such policies have argued that race-based preferences actually harm those whom it is intended to help. Yet there is also evidence that concerted outreach and support efforts can, if applied properly, prevent the potential negative effects of race-conscious admissions practices.

The "mismatch" theory, as it's been called, posits that some African-American students have struggled and at times dropped out of highly competitive law schools even though they might have thrived at lower-ranked or less rigorous institutions, and gone on to pass the bar exam. The article concluded that without affirmative action, black students would be better "matched" with institutions that meet their qualifications, and that disparities in failure rates would disappear.

Now, an organization that opposes race-conscious admissions policies asserts that it has found data from one particular institution illustrating the sort of dynamic the study would predict. According to data obtained through a public records request, from 2003 to 2005 some 45 percent of African-American students at George Mason University School of Law, outside of Washington, had grade-point averages below 2.15, defined as "academic failure." For the rest of the student body, however, the figure was 4 percent.

While the law school confirmed the numbers, it also provided details showing that since those years, the number of admitted African-American students increased while instances of "involuntary academic attrition" -- in which students are no longer permitted to continue the program unless they reapply and show improvement to achieve good standing -- dropped to zero. Moreover, officials attributed the gains to an expanded outreach program that pairs each incoming minority student with both a student and an alumni mentor.

In 2004, the law school enrolled seven black students, four of whom were placed on involuntary academic attrition. In 2005, an equal number of black students enrolled, but five of them could no longer continue for the same reason. The next year, the law school began to see improvements: In 2006, one black student out of eight admitted suffered academic failure; in 2007, the enrollment of first-year African-American students climbed to 13, and none of them failed out.

"We feel that we’ve made significant progress, although you can always do better," said Christine LaPaille, George Mason's vice president for university relations. "The numbers speak for themselves. In the early 2000s, we had an attrition rate of more than 60 percent of our first-year African-American students. This year we admitted more African-American students than in any of the last four years, and this year we had an attrition rate of zero."

The law school has seen its share of controversy surrounding diversity issues. The ABA has repeatedly questioned whether the school was doing enough to attain a sufficiently representative student body, a dispute that has at times spilled over into the public arena. The public records request, filed under the Freedom of Information Act by the Center for Equal Opportunity, revealed the stark gap in academic failure rates contained in a letter from the law school's dean, Dan Polsby, to the ABA in response to a site visit report.

"We have an obligation to refrain from victimizing applicants, regardless of race or color, by admitting them to an educational program in which they appear likely to fail," Polsby wrote. "This obligation is recognized in Standard 501(b), but we believe it exists independently of any ABA regulations. Adhering to this principle is the greatest obstacle to our efforts to increase the diversity of the George Mason student body."

ABA Standard 501(b) states: "A law school shall not admit applicants who do not appear capable of satisfactorily completing its educational program and being admitted to the bar."

While some critics have placed blame for the disproportionate failure rate of some minority students on the ABA, others defend the association's standards and contend that schools should be taking more responsibility for the success of their students. “I don’t think any school should be failing 45 percent of any of its cohorts,” said Michael A. Olivas, the William B. Bates Distinguished Chair of Law and director of the Institute of Higher Education Law & Governance at the University of Houston Law Center.

Olivas, who has participated in ABA accreditation site visits, said the attacks on the diversity standard as applied to Mason were "very unfair and very misleading" because of the small sample size and suggested that minority students at a law school like George Mason might not feel welcome. "I think the support program has made a difference and I think the appropriate admissions standards for a top-40 law school have also made a difference," LaPaille said of the law school's more recent efforts.

The ABA concluded in its site evaluation report in 2000 that the relatively low enrollment of minority students at the school could be attributed to a dearth of "need-based scholarship grants, to minority or any other applicants" (which has since changed); an "[unwillingness] to engage in any significant preferential affirmative action admissions program"; and "its general reputation as a conservative law school." In 2004, the school admitted 63 African Americans to the law program; seven accepted the offer.

Faculty critics, however, place the blame for George Mason Law's low enrollment of African-American students elsewhere: on the distorting effects of affirmative action. If the school has historically been more reluctant to embrace race-conscious admissions policies than its peer institutions, then, the theory goes, minority students admitted to Mason would have higher-ranked alternative choices than their white and Asian peers. So, it shouldn't be surprising that “black students tend to turn down our offers” in disproportionate numbers, said Michael I. Krauss, a law professor on the faculty.

Standards and Accreditation

The ABA's standards on equal opportunity and diversity affirm that law schools must take "concrete action" to provide "full opportunities for the study of law and entry into the profession by members of underrepresented groups, particularly racial and ethnic minorities, and a commitment to having a student body that is diverse with respect to gender, race, and ethnicity."

An attached interpretation to the standard clarifies, moreover, that the ABA does not have specific policy recommendations for achieving those goals -- a standard that critics have attacked as "ambiguous" at best and disingenuous at worst.

"This Standard does not specify the forms of concrete actions a law school must take to satisfy its equal opportunity and diversity obligations," the interpretation states. "The determination of a law school’s satisfaction of such obligations is based on the totality of the law school’s actions and the results achieved. The commitment to providing full educational opportunities for members of underrepresented groups typically includes a special concern for determining the potential of these applicants through the admission process, special recruitment efforts, and programs that assist in meeting the academic and financial needs of many of these students and that create a more favorable environment for students from underrepresented groups."

The ABA itself, however, wrote an amicus curiae brief in support of the University of Michigan Law School's affirmative action policies in the 2003 Grutter v. Bollinger case, in which the Supreme court allowed the voluntary use of race in admissions to achieve diversity as long as it was one among many factors. “[I]t is unquestionable that the improvement in minority participation in our law schools, and thus in our legal system, has been achieved largely by the use of race-conscious admissions policies such as those under attack here,” the brief stated.

Gail Heriot, a professor at the University of San Diego School of Law and a former associate dean at George Mason Law, cited the document in her concurring statement in the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights's 2007 Report on Affirmative Action in American Law Schools. Heriot, who is a member of the bipartisan commission, first publicized the numbers from the public records request, which described student data after she left the school, in a blog post last week critical of the ABA's practices on diversity.

"I think it’s fair to say that the standards [encourage] schools to seek diversity in an individualized way," said Steven R. Smith, dean of California Western School of Law and former chairman of the ABA Section on Legal Education and Admissions to the Bar. "In that sense, I think they’re fairly open to schools being able to approach diversity in ways they want, as is true in most accreditation standards."

The ABA said it completed its most recent periodic inspection of the law school in 2007, a requirement for maintaining accreditation status, which is necessary for enrolled students to be eligible for subsidized federal loans. While critics of the ABA's diversity practices have sounded the alarm about George Mason potentially losing its accreditation, those with knowledge of such proceedings seem to be in consensus that it was never truly in danger.

“In my opinion, it’s quite unusual for a school to be disciplined” severely, Smith said.

The diversity rules have come under fire from, among other places, the Department of Education, which certifies accreditors and last year ordered the ABA to report on how it applies the standard.

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Comments on Diversity Meets Data at George Mason Law

  • Posted by Robert , PhD Student on June 26, 2008 at 7:50am EDT
  • Why does everyone not get a mentor? Is the likelihood that one gets a mentor directly proportional to the amount of melanin in one's skin?

  • Posted by melon on June 26, 2008 at 9:35am EDT
  • No, it's proportional to one's likelihood of failure.

    That said, the sample sizes reported are way too small to use as the basis of any relevant conclusions. Four people enrolled per year? Seven people? Their success or failure tells you nothing.

  • Mentors and melanin
  • Posted by Lisa on June 26, 2008 at 9:45am EDT
  • Historically, Robert, there has been an inverse relationship between who gets a mentor and the amount of melanin in one's skin (or the amount of estrogen in one's system). Informal mentoring has long been a part of law school faculty/student relationships, and in general, people tend to mentor those who are most like themselves. This is a pattern that extends far beyond law school, as you will discover as you continue on your career path.

  • Hear! Hear! Lisa
  • Posted by Alec , Educator on June 26, 2008 at 10:35am EDT
  • Well said. I find it interesting that anyone would criticize the use of mentoring as a tool for success given its long history, formal and informal. It's not that long ago that professional and educational institutions were near exclusive for the privileged. Many top law, business and medical schools are still most likely to admit the children of the professional class. Regardless of race, there are tried and true ways to ensure professional success. Mason is obviously formalizing a system that may have been informal for a number of other students.
    Nice article that does a good job of getting beyond what raw numbers could suggest.

  • How about the Asian Americans?
  • Posted by Brian , Mr. on June 26, 2008 at 10:45am EDT
  • How about the Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders?

  • How revealing
  • Posted by Prof Challenger on June 26, 2008 at 11:20am EDT
  • The exchange in the first two postings reveals the central problem with affirmative action and its proxies. The first comment asks why mentor services are allocated on the basis of skin color. The second comment replies that skin color signals likelihood of failure. Hardly an empowering world view.

  • What are the causes of the grading disparities?
  • Posted by E.C. Hopkins , African American Male Law Student at University of Arizona College of Law on June 26, 2008 at 12:35pm EDT
  • I can think of several probable reasons why African Americans at competitive law schools would be given lower grades than their equally intelligent, equally well-educated, and equally industrious non-African American peers. One of them is something I would call the cultural tax. For those who believe Sander's "mismatch" theory is the best or the only explanation for the grading disparities found at top law schools, I often recommend a thought experiment.

    THE EXPERIMENT

    Imagine that the most prestigious, wealthy, and powerful leaders of the top 50 U.S. law schools, the U.S. legal academy, and the cadre of U.S. lawyers that rule over our legal system were 90% African American. Culturally, almost all of these African Americans were far more Afrocentric (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrocentrism) than they were Euro-Americentric. Moreover, imagine the most politically and economically powerful U.S. culture, the culture that would reward U.S. citizens who would thoroughly embrace it and successfully reproduce it with more wealth, power, and prestige than it would reward those who would embrace and reproduce less politically and economically powerful cultures, were this Afrocentric culture. In this U.S., there would probably be much stronger social and economic incentives to reproduce the symbols, beliefs, and rituals most valued by African Americans than there would be to reproduce the symbols, beliefs, and rituals most valued by European Americans, particularly German Americans, Scottish Americans, Irish Americans, Scots-Irish Americans, Welsh American, English Americans, Brittish Americans, etc.

    In this Afrocentric U.S., ambitious European American law students would attend law schools that would teach them the law from an Afrocentric perspective; that would use real-world examples and allusions most familiar to Afrocentric African Americans to make the legal principles and rules sink in; and that would use mostly Afrocentric moral values to suggest which legal principles or rules should be emphasized or revered over others. Additionally, the European American students would be tested in ways that would most reward those who reproduced Afrocentrism. The fast-paced, timed issue-spotting law school exam format would probably not predominate. Take-home essay/memo assignments or verbal, face-to-face dialectic examinations with the professor or fellow students might be used extensively. There is another important feature about this world. When the European American law students would attend their class meetings, they would see a sea of African American faces, would be forced to listen mostly to the questions and comments of Afrocentric African American students, and would have no choice but to learn the law in an Afriocentric cultural context that would be dissimilar, perhaps very dissimilar, from their native Euro-Americentric cultural contexts.

    In this Afrocentric U.S., how would the average Euro-Americentric European American law student's grades probably compare with his equally intelligent, equally well-educated, and equally industrious Afrocentric African American law student peers? The average Euro-Americentric European American law student's grades would probably be lower, perhaps markedly lower, due to what I would call a cultural tax.

    The Afrocentric African American students would probably benefit from a cultural subsidy of sorts. Their professors, their law school institutions, and the legal profession would all promote and reproduce and reward the reproduction of Afrocentrism more than all other cultures. The Euro-Americentric European American law students would probably have to overcome the cultural and social psychological hurdles tied to being relatively unassimilated members of their minority cultures forced to learn in an Afrocentric cultural context that would be dissimilar from, in many cases very dissimilar from, their native Euro-Americentric cultural contexts.

    The Euro-Americentric European American law students who would grade as well as their equally intelligent, equally well-educated, and equally industrious Afrocentric African American law student peers would probably be the ones who had mastered Afrocentric culture and had strong desires to reproduce it in exchange for the above average social rewards, such as wealth, power, and prestige the successful reproduction of Afrocentrism would bring them.

  • Adios, Lisa
  • Posted by Chuck on June 26, 2008 at 12:35pm EDT
  • Historically, Lisa, those who attribute group generalities and stereotypes to people based on the amount of melanin in one’s skin (or the amount of estrogen in one’s system) are called racists or sexists.

    Moreover, those who allege that, in general, people tend to mentor those who are most like themselves and attribute this to some pattern that extends far beyond law school are, as you will discover as you continue on your career path, among the most reactionary, illiberal and narrow-minded people.

    Et tu, Lisa?

  • "Afrocentric" law
  • Posted by Prof Challenger on June 26, 2008 at 2:30pm EDT
  • What a puzzling "experiment." It's akin to saying that "Afrocentric" natives of, say, Idi Amin's Uganda, would have a hard time in their own law schools if, for some inexplicable reason, the law schools were Eurocentric.
    How droll.

  • Posted by SP on June 26, 2008 at 2:30pm EDT
  • Good comment from Lisa, and a good article too.

  • Posted by LIsa on June 26, 2008 at 2:30pm EDT
  • Uh, Chuck -- huh? Ever hear of the "old boys network"? Where do you think that phrase comes from? The most forward thinking organizations have mentoring programs that pair promising, historically underrepresented employees with senior leaders specifically to break that cycle and ensure that they're not missing leadership potential. That doesn't mean that white males are ignored -- they get mentored too. It just helps to ensure that everyone else isn't ignored.

  • New gurls network?
  • Posted by Dr. F. Gump on June 26, 2008 at 3:40pm EDT
  • Lisa & contemporaries,

    What Chuck seems to be saying, is that some individuals seem to make it via their own efforts and resist being categorized based on one or two aspects of their personhood.

    Though I may look like a Bush, Dupont, Kennedy, or Rockefellar from a distance, I grew up with none of the privilige of the wealth & power of individuals from those families.

    Stereotyping young black males as all needing assistance or mentoring is overly-simplistic and insulting to some. Stereotyping all young women (even those from wealthy and powerful families) may also be felt as denigrating and insulting.

    When your theory (feminist, socialist, oppression, etc.) reduces large numbers of individuals into categories (stereotypes) that they themselves would not agree with, might be experienced as colonialist or oppressive. (even if you visit the Irish or the Polish ghettos as well as those ghettos that are more likely to garner you positive news coverage and PR value)

  • A Legal Note
  • Posted by Roger Clegg , President and General Counsel at Center for Equal Opportunity on June 26, 2008 at 3:50pm EDT
  • A racially exclusive program--including a program that provides mentors only to African American students--would violate Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which forbids any recipient of federal money (this includes just about every university) from discriminating “on the basis of race, color, or national origin.” The Supreme Court’s decisions in Gratz v. Bollinger and Grutter v. Bollinger explained that to pass the “narrowly tailored” prong of strict scrutiny, a school must engage in “individualized consideration” of students. Certainly, a program that categorically excludes students based upon their race or ethnicity is not providing these students with “individualized consideration.” Grutter warns explicitly that there should be “no policy, either de jure or de facto, of automatic acceptance or rejection based on any single ‘soft’ variable” such as “race or ethnicity,” and Gratz indicates it is essential that any program “not contemplate that any single characteristic [again, such as race or ethnicity] automatically ensure[s] a specific and identifiable contribution to a university’s diversity.” Just last year, the Supreme Court struck down the programs in Parents Involved in Community Schools v. Seattle School District No. 1 since they “`do not provide for meaningful individualized review of applicants’ but instead rely on racial classifications in a ‘nonindividualized, mechanical’ way.”

    A school with racially exclusive programs would be, therefore, in legal jeopardy. Recently the Office for Civil Rights at the U.S. Department of Education issued a statement that racially exclusive programs “are extremely difficult to defend” under the applicable law. Even more recently, in February 2006, the U.S. Department of Justice forced Southern Illinois University to end the racial exclusivity of several graduate programs there (after we brought these programs to the department’s attention). There is a consensus among schools that programs once racially exclusive should be opened up to students of all racial and ethnic groups. See this New York Times article: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/14/education/14minority.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

    The law aside, it is unfair to provide mentors exclusively to students of a particular race. Surely there are some non-African American students who are at-risk or who could otherwise benefit from having a mentor; surely there are some African American students who have no special need for one. And it’s more than just a tad condescending for a school to say, “Welcome, black student. And, because you’re black, let us introduce you to your mentors, who will provide you with the special help we know that you, as a black student, will need.”

  • Funny How Pride Gets in the Way of Progress
  • Posted by Ron on June 26, 2008 at 3:50pm EDT
  • It is quite obvious that law school or the profession for that matter is not rocket science.

    The students who failed lacked exposure, support, guidance and a roadmap to succeed at that school. Or, they did not put in the effort required.

    I would think that most blacks would be isolated and set up to fail at the school anyway that is why people do not go there.

    Law school and the bar exam are pieces of cake with the right training and studying.

    So you can pretend that your are smart but we do not believe you.

    For this economy to reach its potential and remain competitive black lawyers are required. So you can doom yourselves with your hidden hatred but your children will pay.

  • Posted by Steven Clark, PhD at UW on June 26, 2008 at 4:00pm EDT
  • As an alum of GMU, I was interested in the article. As a former prof at the UW-Madison, I was interested in the article. At the UW Cell and Microbiology Program, we had a very difficult time knowing how to handle minority applications because we didn't want to admit students only to fail. In our case, we had tangible limits on admissions. All students were required to pass a very rigorous course in physical chemistry that required facility with calculus. In our experience, an overwhelming fraction of targeted minority students had very substandard math education.

    A Vice-Chancellor at Florida A&M once asked me what it would take for the UW to admit more of his students and I replied, "make sure that they take calculus".

    For law schools, I don't know if there is an "acid-test" like P-chem and calculus. But, one wonders if there is something disproportionally missing in the undergraduate education for some minorities. A very thought provoking book on this topic is John McWhorter's, "Losing the Race".

    Steven Clark

  • Posted by Lisa on June 26, 2008 at 4:15pm EDT
  • Dr. Gump:

    My comments to Chuck indicate that I believe that EVERYONE benefits from mentoring. Mentoring isn't remediation. It's gaining inside knowledge about the culture of the organization that helps employees grow and prosper. Privileged white males have benefited from this for centuries -- perhaps it's time that mentoring is available to those without privilege, which includes many white males.

  • Same old same
  • Posted by Befuddled on June 26, 2008 at 5:35pm EDT
  • Once again it is a black-white issue. What about all the other minorities? The exercise in Afro-centric society is moot. I could make that claim for ANY and ALL minority groups, yet the article mentions nothing of these other groups and neither did you. Once again it is a battle between the "overall majority" and the "majority minority" while everyone else tries to move forward. By the way, someone has to be the majority, so don't be angry just because you are not a part of it. Yes, I think things could be better, but I think things could be better for ALL students. Why can't we provide the necessary tools for the right students, not the {insert discriminating qualifier here} students?

  • Lisa's Logic
  • Posted by Prof. Challenger on June 26, 2008 at 5:35pm EDT
  • Is mentoring a "privilege" that is conferred, or one that is taken?

  • Statistics Missing from the Article
  • Posted by AnonLawProf on June 26, 2008 at 9:05pm EDT
  • A bit of statistical context would be helpful. The median LSAT of George Mason Law students is 164. I don't know that the median of the African American matriculants is, but the Grutter litigation revealed that the median for African American matriculants at University of Michigan in the mid to late 90s ranged from 155-158. Michigan and Mason aren't in the same competitive league, so we can assume that Mason's AA matriculants have a substantially lower median, at least those who are being admitted under ABA pressure. So we can figure that Mason's median is about 164 overall, and, if they are very successful in recruiting, in the low 150s for African American students. For those unfamiliar with the LSATs, this is a huge gap, and the achievement gap between AA Mason students and the rest of the students is easily attributable to this difference, with no complicated sociology required. Indeed, if Mason is now managing to retain most of these students, that is itself an achievement.

  • Please Explain Prof. Challenger
  • Posted by E.C. Hopkins , see above at see above on June 26, 2008 at 9:25pm EDT
  • It’s akin to saying that “Afrocentric” natives of, say, Idi Amin’s Uganda, would have a hard time in their own law schools if, for some inexplicable reason, the law schools were Eurocentric.

    I reread my comment slowly, and I do not grasp how my proposed experiment is akin to what you concluded it is akin to. I don't follow your reasoning or your provocative analogy.

    My experiment would be more akin to saying that natives of say, Idi Amin's Uganda (really, you had to use the image of Idi Amin Dada to get your point across?) would probably do much better, academically, in their own Afrocentric Ugandan law schools led by Afrocentric Ugandan law professors promoting and rewarding law students’ successful reproductions of Afrocentrism than, say, equally smart, equally well-educated, and equally industrious Eurocentric natives of Hitler's Germany (you don’t mind, do you, if I mix and match bad guys and their historical eras to add a little provocative spice, a little playful drollery, to my rejoinder?) would in those same Afrocentric Ugandan law schools.

  • The complicated sociology IS required.
  • Posted by E.C. Hopkins , see above at see above on June 26, 2008 at 11:35pm EDT
  • For those unfamiliar with the LSATs, this is a huge gap, and the achievement gap between AA Mason students and the rest of the students is easily attributable to this difference, with no complicated sociology required.

    The complicated sociology IS required. Without it, too many culturally or sociologically incompetent law school gatekeepers might continue to oversimplify or misunderstand the many sociological causes and effects related to LSAT score disparities and law school grade disparities as you just did. Too many law school gatekeepers and merit measurers might continue to pat themselves on the back for their poorly designed and patronizingly executed diversity initiatives instead of seriously investigating whether their law school environments and cultural practices were culturally and socially psychologically impartial enough so their white students would endure the same magnitudes of cultural and social psychological discomfort as their non-white students. If their non-white students were forced to endure much more cultural and social psychological discomfort than their white students, then the self-proclaimed meritocratic law schools would probably want to take affirmative steps to correct those unmeritocratic disparities.

    I wouldn't mind it if all tier-one U.S. law schools stopped admitting AA law students whose LSAT scores were, on average, 10 points lower than the schools' average non-AA students if those law schools would publicly announce, in no uncertain terms, that LSAT scores were the very best or most reliable measures of merit AND deservedness for determining which prospective law students should be admitted to their powerful institutions and go on to become our nation's judges, county prosecutors, DOJ staff attorneys, attorneys general, political powerbrokers, legislators, big law firm partners, legal authors, ALI members, law professors, etc.

  • Posted by Tired Adjunct on June 27, 2008 at 5:15am EDT
  • "My experiment would be more akin to saying that natives of say, Idi Amin’s Uganda... would probably do much better, academically, in their own Afrocentric Ugandan law schools led by Afrocentric Ugandan law professors promoting and rewarding law students’ successful reproductions of Afrocentrism than, say, equally smart, equally well-educated, and equally industrious Eurocentric natives of Hitler’s Germany... would in those same Afrocentric Ugandan law schools."

    I would be willing to bet the bright Ugandans would quickly adapt and do well in either school, as would the bright Germans, whereas the not so bright would struggle no matter what school they were in.

  • Why does race matter?
  • Posted by GMUSL Alum on June 27, 2008 at 8:55am EDT
  • As an alum of George Mason Law (2004-2007) I knew most of the individuals who suffered from "academic failure", as well as the individuals who succeeded. Some of those individuals shouldn't have been at GMUSL in the first place, but the ones who did succeed were intelligent individuals. They put in the time and effort required to succeed, and they did so with a minimum of special assistance not available to the remainder of the student body. That said, I do not think race should be an issue in the ABA standards so long as discrimination does not exist in the admission system. Rather, race should be all-together eliminated from the application process (a blind system with no applicant interviews and no check the box racial selection) and the best candidates should be matched with the best schools without any consideration of race/sex/religion, etc. I don't feel that true equality can exist and discrimination end until everyone is an equal in the selection process - but am I the only one who feels that way?

  • Rebutting Racial and Gender Stereotypes
  • Posted by Chuck on June 27, 2008 at 9:15am EDT
  • “Tired Adjunct” is 100% correct about E.C. Hopkins and his far fetched and farcical claims.

    To which Ugandans is Hopkins referring anyhow? The Bantu-speakers of the south near Lake Victoria like the Baganda, Banyoro and the people of Rakai? Or the Nilotic speakers of the north like the Kakwa of West Nile District.

    Anyone unable to make those clear and elementary distinctions obviously hasn’t followed Ugandan history for the past 50-100 years.

    The rambling comments from Hopkins reveal someone who is clearly non-African and who remains stubbornly unfamiliar with Africa’s great internal diversities, yet is captivated by the supposed similarities or commonalities that are derived from an externality like skin pigment, something real Africans would laugh at and scorn.

    For real concrete examples, simply review the recent history of Somalia, Rwanda, Sudan, and Zimbabwe for eye-opening proof.

    Poor Lisa - still marooned in the 1970s where she comfortably but quaintly embraces outdated racist and sexist stereotypes.

    “Old Boys Network”? Yawn. Is that just like, or quite unlike the “New Girls Network” found at each and every modern university?

    Most female students that I’ve met over the past 25 years are repelled and alienated by the carping, whining, blame-game that many female profs still engage in, something that Lisa apparently hasn’t noticed or refuses to see.

  • That Would Depend on What Your "bright" and "adapt" Mean
  • Posted by E.C. Hopkins , see above at see above on June 27, 2008 at 10:20am EDT
  • I would be willing to bet the bright Ugandans would quickly adapt and do well in either school, as would the bright Germans, whereas the not so bright would struggle no matter what school they were in.

    I'd not place that bet too quickly due to some concerns I have with your first proposition, the part before the “whereas.” But if a bet were offered based on your second proposition, the part after your “whereas,” I too would be willing to place the bet you’d be willing to place. Not-so-bright students (students with lower native intelligences than their peers) would probably not perform as well academically as their brighter peers, all other things remaining equal. That would be an authentic mismatch scenario. And the not-so-bright students would probably struggle even more if they were more culturally or social psychologically uncomfortable than their brighter peers while competing in academic contests.

    Concerns with the First Proposition

    To grade in the top 50% at most tier-one U.S. law schools, a typical law student has to do at least two things well: (1) learn the law (this is the easy part of law school) and (2) demonstrate law school examnmanship skills in ways that that would persuade most of her/his merit-measuring law professors that her/his exam essays indicated that she/he was a better lawyer on exam day than at least 50% of her/his peer exam takers.

    You could argue that (1) is a culturally impartial exercise (I would probably disagree with you, but I might admit that your arguments were sound and valid). You shouldn't try to argue that (2) has ever been or is culturally impartial.

    If (2) is very culturally partial, then the law students most skilled at reproducing the cultures most similar to the cultures reproduced by their merit measurers (their law professors) might not have to work as hard to earn the same grades as the law students least skilled at reproducing the cultures most similar to the cultures reproduced by their merit measurers, all other things remaining equal.

    But according to your belief, the "bright" would "adapt." I read you as arguing: "The most intelligent minority students would quickly master the cultures of their merit measurers and reproduce these cultures well enough so their legal knowledge would shine through, unhindered by cultural partiality, and they would get the same grades as their equally intelligent, knowledgeable, industrious, and skilled non-minority peers." You might be right. Then again, you might be wrong.

    The most intelligent minority law students might decline the invitation to reproduce the cultures most revered and reproduced by their merit measurers. The most intelligent law students might even openly protest their merit measurers’ cultural homogeneity or cultural partiality and demand that their law schools’ cadre of merit measurers be adjusted so more cultures would be represented on the merit measuring side.

    Why would the most intelligent minority law students do such things? The most intelligent minority law students might believe that striving with all their intellectual might to reproduce cultures very dissimilar from theirs would be a form of devaluing or marginalizing their own cultures in order to acquire a few additional social rewards--wealth, power, prestige. The most intelligent minority law students might have read Marlowe’s or Goethe’s cautionary tales about Dr. Faust and might be on the lookout for the nuanced real-world Faustian offers of a furtive Mephistopheles.

    Are you still very sure bright Afrocentric Ugandans and bright Eurocentric Germans would adapt very quickly? What would they gain by adapting quickly? Slightly better GPAs? A slightly or markedly better chance to acquire above average wealth, power, and prestige in Uganda (for the Eurocentric Germans) or Germany (for the Afrocentric Ugandans)? And what would they lose by adapting quickly?

    Keep in mind that the Idi Amin Ugandans and Hitler Germans we've been writing about in this thread probably don't value cultural plurality or cultural diversity as much as we do (or claim to) in the 21st Century U.S. Moreover, their most intelligent students might also be some of their most culturally loyal ("culturally loyal" is not a synonym for "racist" or "xenophobic") students. And the Eurocentric Hitler Germans learning law in Afrocentric Amin Ugandan law schools would probably have to have some very strong political, social, or economic incentives to subject themselves to that discomforting experience.

    In the 21st Century U.S., minority law students have some very strong incentives to subject themselves to our tier-one U.S. law school cultures. But that doesn't mean that all or most of the most intelligent minority students would or should be willing or able to adapt, culturally, as much as they might need to to ace their merit measurers' culturally partial exams.

    Perhaps a disproportionate percentage of the most intelligent minority law students only want to get certified by their trusted law school merit measurers as "competent" (competence should be signaled by a C average or better at every law school, or else some law schools are measuring for competence incorrectly) so they could (a) sit for and pass bar exams in most U.S. states and (b) practice law legally in most U.S. states. If these minority law students are very intelligent (and not too risk averse or too avaricious), they might believe their C averages in law school wouldn’t hinder them very much in the long run. So, some very intelligent and very culturally loyal minority law students might not value As much more than Bs or Cs. If they don’t value law school grades the same ways their equally intelligent, knowledgeable, industrious, and skilled non-minority peers value law school grades, then the brightest minority law students might not be so quick to adapt.

  • Posted by Kim on June 27, 2008 at 10:35am EDT
  • Yes, the numbers stink (a more eloquent word would unintentionally soften the outrage). But as an African American law student at GMU, I still want to put this in context so we arrive at the true answer (is there one?):
    1. Every student is assigned a student mentor; mentors in the administration must be sought out on one's own. If I received a mentor from the administration simply b/c I'm "diverse," I would feel singled out.
    2. There's a reason the study chose GMU instead of a more diverse school like GWU.
    3. Remember this is all statistics; when 4% fail out of an 800 person student body, that equals 32 students. Out of the 20 (on a good day) African American students, if 10 fail, that's a whopping 50% failure rate.
    3. Are students who drop out for other reasons counted in the attrition rate? How about those who transfer from a day to an evening program to work, thereby left out of their original graduating class because this takes an extra year? This happens more with minorities b/c their family is less likely to have extra money to help pay for school.
    4. This didn't stand out (though mentioned) in the article - the reason the school has low diversity in the first place b/c it's a conservative school.
    5. Of my class, we’ve lost none to failure, 1 took time off & returned, and one quit mid-semester (those who “fail” out are only kicked out during the summer).

  • Chuck, assuming you weren't trying to be fallacious...
  • Posted by E.C. Hopkins , see above at see above on June 27, 2008 at 11:05am EDT
  • For your future reference, I might be willing to respond to good counterarguments you might produce that would be based on something I've written in this thread. You've produced only fallacies (and bad ones) so far. Please recall that Prof. Challenger introduced Idi Amin Dada and the Ugandans to this thread. Since then, I've simply been using those abstract pieces he or she put on the table.

    If you trust the information I provided in my first comment, then you should know I am an African American male law student. I'll clarify that even further. I am a U.S.-born African American male law student. Even so, I could make very good contributions to discussions about African and African American histories. My knowledge in these fields, mostly autodidactically acquired, would likely be slightly stronger than or as strong as most university students who have earned bachelors degrees in African studies or African studies or African American studies or Black studies at top U.S. schools. So, if one day I'll come across an interesting African histories topic in the blogosphere, I might join that conversation. But that day is not today and that conversation is not this conversation.

  • Hopkins & Afrocentric Fallacies
  • Posted by Chuck on June 27, 2008 at 1:05pm EDT
  • In his initial post, Hopkins said as follows, "In this Afrocentric U.S., how would the average Euro-Americentric European American law student’s grades probably compare with his equally intelligent, equally well-educated, and equally industrious Afrocentric African American law student peers? The average Euro-Americentric European American law student’s grades would probably be lower, perhaps markedly lower, due to what I would call a cultural tax."

    This is gibberish.

    Since then Hopkins has heaped on more convoluted, hyper-generalized nonsense about "Afrocentric" matters.

    I merely pointed out the uselessness and irrelevance of his claims which must, at some point or other, actually "center" on the real people, cultures and histories of actual Africa, not the romanticized dogmas of black Americans, in or out of law school.

    This is old hat really. Nothing new. It's all been explained and exposed in solid scholarly works by Wilson Jeremiah Moses, Stephen Howe and Kwame Anthony Appiah.

    Hopkins will derive considerable benefit during the summertime by paying close attention to these scholars.

  • Indeed, I Shall Reread
  • Posted by E.C. Hopkins , see above at see above on June 27, 2008 at 5:40pm EDT
  • "Hopkins will derive considerable benefit during the summertime by paying close attention to these scholars."

    I shall reread some of their better works this sunny summer. Many of their arguments, especially Appiah's nuanced analyses of W.E.B. Du Bois's philosophy of race, are certainly worth reading, at least twice.

    Well, Chuck, you've still offered me nothing to chew on. You don’t teach African history, African philosophy, or Africana studies do you? Ever read any of Molefi Kete Asante’s work? Any Chiekh Anta Diop or Joseph ben-Jochannon? Reading some of their better works, if you haven’t already, would nicely complement your close readings of the scholars whose names you just dropped (I’m assuming you’ve actually read and tried to fully grasp those scholars’ works). You come across, to me at least, as a name-dropping sciolist with bad manners. In this thread, yours has been empty, fallacious rhetoric. Even if your conclusions were correct, you leave the reader to imagine how you might argue for them if you tried. You've not helped me. And, I doubt you've helped any objective and critical thinkers who might have bothered to carefully read the comments in this thread. I'm not as familiar with the crowd here as you might be. So, superficial and empty contributions such as yours might be valued here. But I'm neither impressed nor enlightened by your smoke. Please attempt to provide a single useful, near-complete counterargument to something I've written in this thread. If you succeed, I'll acknowledge your argument's merits and thank you for your help. You could, of course, continue to do what you have been doing, which is adding little value to the conversation, though entertainingly.

  • Hopkins and Afrocentrism - last words
  • Posted by Chuck on June 27, 2008 at 9:25pm EDT
  • In my line of work, when one mentions the names of prominent scholars (or their publications) it's considered citations or references.

    It would be considered "name dropping," say, if I claimed to have known Molefi Kente Asante when he was called Art Smith at UCLA or Kwesi Mfume when he known as Frizzell Gray in West Baltimore or that myself was a student of Chancellor Williams at Howard in the 1970s, and so forth. Guilty as charged then.

    My final point is simply to reiterate that Afrocentrism is a romanticized set of western imaginations about real African people who live, struggle, research and make sense of their world in Africa itself.

    Nothing that Hopkins has said on this thread in any way modified that; in fact he perpetuated and exemplified my criticisms.

    The original article at IHE was about the results of applying racial double standards at George Mason Law School.

    The injection of Afrocentrist this or that into this conversation was another way of saying, as Kwame Anthony Appiah has observed many times, that black American interest in Africa was inversely correlated with black faith in America.

    I leave my last word to Ralph Ellison who remarked, "As long as black Americans are confused as to how they relate to American culture....they will be confused about their relationship to places like Africa."

    C'est tout.

  • Now that was helpful.
  • Posted by E.C. Hopkins , see above at see above on June 28, 2008 at 11:50am EDT
  • I now better understand why you bothered to offer your off-point and unnecessary analyses of my comments in this thread. You seemed to have misunderstood or missed the argument I offered in my first comment. Perhaps you saw 'Afrocentricism' and stopped reading? If you reread my first comment, you might grasp that I put 'Afrocentricism' on the table for use in a table-turning thought experiment designed to help Euro-Americentrists empathize, to help them consider the likely causes and effects of cultural and social psychological dissonance between minority and majority cultures at law schools. I gave the unmeritocractic, potentially grade-influencing impact of that dissonance on the members of the minority cultures at law schools a name: cultural tax. One of my aims was to help those who might hastily conclude that the sole or major reasons for grade performance disparities between whites and nonwhites at a school like George Mason Law were Sanderian mismatches.

    Though I've read different definitions of 'Afrocentricism' (I've also seen 'Africentrism' and 'African-centered'), I normally reference Asante's when people ask for one.

    Afrocentricity is a mode of thought and action in which the centrality of African interests, values, and perspectives predominate. In regards to theory, it is the placing of African people in the center of any analysis of African phenomena. Thus, it is possible for any one to master the discipline of seeking the location of Africans in a given phenomenon. In terms of action and behavior, it is a devotion to the idea that what is in the best interest of African consciousness is at the heart of ethical behavior. Finally, Afrocentricity seeks to enshrine the idea that blackness itself is a trope of ethics. Thus, to be black is to be against all forms of oppression, racism, classism, homophobia, patriarchy, child abuse, pedophilia, and white racial domination.
    —Molefi Kete Asante, Afrocentricity: The Theory of Social Change

    Your conception of Afrocentrism might be different from mine, and different from Asante's. But neither my nor your conception of Afrocentrism was very important for this discussion. I provided a link to a good Wikipedia article (not all Wikipedia articles are bad) on Afrocentrism in my first comment. I did that so that someone completely unfamiliar with the term could read up on it quickly if he/she felt it was necessary. But most good readers probably didn't need to read it in order to participate in my thought experiment. Afrocentrism was a mere variable, a stand-in for an X. It was used to represent a culture different from Euro-Americentrism. Other -centrisms could have been used of course.

    Most good readers should have figured out that I wasn't looking for a debate about the meaning of Afrocentrism or a debate about the sociohistorical, political, economic, cultural, ecological, religious, philosophical, genetic, or morphological connections between 16th, 17th, 18th, and 19th Century Africans and 21st Century African Americans, or even between 21st Century Africans and 21st Century African Americans. Furthermore, neither of us gets to tell the other or anyone else what those connections were or are or should have been or should be. You certainly don’t get to define or frame my connections to Africa or Africans for me.

    Your quasi-analysis of Afrocentrism, your "To which Ugandans is Hopkins referring anyhow?" tangent, your references to popular scholars and their popular arguments, your assertion that my argument must “actually “center” on the real people, cultures and histories of actual Africa, not the romanticized dogmas of black Americans” because I used 'Afrocentricism' as a stand-in for a variable in an abstract thought experiment, and your impressive knowledge of Asante's biographical tidbits, as insightful or impressive as you might believe they were, were simply not germane. So far, you've only entertained me Chuck. And you still have not provided a single relevant counterargument to my cultural tax as a potential unmeritocratic grade-influencer for minorities at law schools argument.

  • LSAC Diversity Forum June 220,2008
  • Posted by Rebecca on July 7, 2008 at 11:25pm EDT
  • I had previously read an article about the diversity challenges at George Mason's School of Law and decided that a random visit to the institution might be interesting. When I did, without knowing anything about me, the school representatives I encountered were, at their very best, mildly hostile.

    I recently attended the LSAC Diversity Forum on June 20 and had to opportunity to speak with the Assistant Dean of Admissions from George Mason. She stated to me that if there were any minority students at George Mason they had all been "let in" and the standards had been lowered for them. She continued to state that if any were to be "let in" the standards would have to be lowered. The Assistant Dean commented to a prospective Asian student that they probably wouldn't accept any more Asian students because they already have enough. The Assistant Dean was Asian.