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August 20, 2008

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Inspired by David Horowitz and others, legislators in many states have proposed legislation that would insist on annual reports from public colleges on their efforts to promote "intellectual diversity." These efforts -- which have attracted considerable attention while not moving very far legislatively -- have been opposed by most educators. Faculty groups and presidents tend to fear that the measures could pressure colleges into political quotas on hiring or campus speaking engagements, and that these proposals respond to a problem that doesn't really exist.

The University System of Georgia on Tuesday unveiled an unusual response to this sort of debate. The system -- whose member campuses include just about every kind of public college, in both urban and rural locations -- released a statewide survey of student views on free speech and discussion at their campuses. The survey was planned in consultation both with faculty groups and with Republican legislators who have previously called for intellectual diversity legislation -- thus making it difficult for either those in higher ed or those who like to criticize it to write the study off as politically fixed.

The results suggest that there may well be a problem with lack of tolerance of political views of others. But according to students (the supposed victims of intolerant professors, according to those who say there is no intellectual diversity), the problem isn't professors, but fellow students. Only 47 percent of students reported that they believed other students were tolerant of the political views of all students, as opposed to just those whose views they supported (and of that 47 percent, only 17 percent said this was true to a great degree). About 21 percent of students feel that other students aren't tolerant of the political views of others while the remainder are somewhat in the middle.

Some students characterized the political intolerance as reflecting a particular bias, and here roughly equal proportions saw bias leaning left or right. Among students, 12.9 percent saw an anti-Democratic/anti-liberal bias, while 10.1 percent saw an anti-Republican/anti-conservative bias. (Of the students in the survey, 34 percent identify as Republicans, 34 percent as Democrats, and the rest as independents or other.)

Students had the opportunity to submit written comments with the surveys, and the responses include some that back up the claims of intolerance by being intolerant, along with many thoughtful expressions from a variety of political perspectives. (While names were redacted by the system, crude language wasn't.) "Being a conservative while being in college has given me the chance to be told that I'm wrong by many students. One topic that I feel very passionately about is the right to bear arms, and never have I expressed my opinions on this issue without another student attacking my opinion as though the mere thought of someone with an opposing view was someone worth crushing to wipe away that thought," wrote one student.

Another wrote: "It seems that so many students in my classes are extremely right-wing for either religious reasons or because they're against taxes or because they are following in their parents' footsteps. I feel like being liberal in any way (not solely on the whole) is frowned upon, especially if these liberal opinions on certain topics are not consistent with Christian views (i.e. pro-choice). I've seen students get attacked just because someone thought the person might be a liberal...."

When it comes to professors, the students generally gave better grades when it comes to tolerance.

This finding may be significant because many Georgia students indicated that they don't want to be challenged on their views by their courses. Thirty-one percent of students said it was somewhat or very important to them that instructors not challenge their personal beliefs. (While some had no opinion, 52 percent said that to be exposed to new ideas, they thought it was important to have their beliefs challenged by what they learned.)

Asked about what professors do in the classroom, only 13 percent of students said that they believed professors had presented their own political views in an inappropriate way. A larger percentage -- 23 percent -- said they had felt that they had to agree with a professor to get a good grade -- although the majority of those students felt this had only happened once in their time in college. Even with these findings, there is evidence that suggests classroom expression isn't necessarily squelched. For example, of those who believed that professors had inappropriately presented their views, 62 percent said that they felt free to argue with the professor. And of those who said they had felt they needed to agree with a professor to get a good grade, only 42 percent said it was because of something the professor said.

Majorities of students also felt free to discuss important topics and religious topics in class, and said that their campuses had a wide range of speakers and student organizations -- although most students said that they weren't active in those activities.

Susan Herbst, executive vice chancellor and chief academic officer of the university system, said she was pleased with the overall results of the survey. She said she is bothered by the idea that any student would think politics are linked to grading, but in light of the percentage of students who don't want to be challenged, she said that these figures were not surprising.

While all students should be comfortable in feeling that they are secure and respected, she said that she was hoping "for students to realize that universities are a place to go to feel uncomfortable intellectually." While most students didn't encounter professors grading based on politics, and the minority who said that they had experienced it didn't see it as typical, and the self-reporting was not solid evidence, Herbst said no students should be graded in that way. She noted that in conjunction with the survey, campus grievance policies were reviewed to make sure they were clear and provided open avenues to students.

Throughout her career, she added, she has always found that professors "want to be challenged" by students, and she believes that is the case throughout the system, although some students may not understand that.

The significant conclusion of the study, Herbst said, isn't about professors but students. "The big finding is that we need to do a better job in how we talk to students about how they talk to each other. Students don't seem to have the tools to argue passionately and not hurt each other's feelings," she said. "This is an opportunity for us. This is something we can work on," especially with a campaign season making political debate likely on campuses this fall.

Herbst said that the study was valuable for pointing to that need. But she also said she hoped it would answer complaints from legislators that higher education is engaged in political indoctrination. The study shows, she said, that "we don't have a systemic problem."

While some have argued that higher education should be skeptical of legislators who raise questions about ideological diversity, Herbst said data may be the most effective tool in reaching out to such lawmakers. "We are a state supported institution. Legislators are elected by the public, and we need to be in dialogue with them," she said. "I don't think there's any need to get defensive. There's a need to do empirical work."

And based on that work, Herbst said, the university system would have the basis to oppose legislation in the future to try to dictate intellectual diversity guidelines.

There is evidence that the strategy is working. Bill Hembree is a Republican who is chair of the Higher Education Committee of the Georgia House of Representatives. He has previously been a co-sponsor of intellectual diversity legislation and held hearings and discussions on the topic -- and he was consulted on the survey and provided an advance look at the results.

He said he wanted the issue on the table previously because "I had heard from a number of individuals -- students, citizens, voters -- that they were concerned about what may be happening." Now that he's seen the survey, however, he said he believes that any problems are "isolated" and that the "universities have a way to resolve the problems."

At this point, Hembree said, he would not favor legislation. "I believe that by doing this, the university system said: 'We don't need a new law. We can deal with it.' It's shown me as a legislator that they are willing to step up."

The process is also being praised by faculty leaders. Hugh D. Hudson, chair of history at Georgia State University and executive secretary of the Georgia Conference of the American Association of University Professors, was also in on planning the survey.

He said that he was struck that while some students "have a difficult time dealing with conflicting opinions," he thinks the overall results suggest a system where professors are open to discussion, and where most students speak freely in class. At the same time, he said that the university system was defending the idea that faculty members "should offered reasoned interpretation and challenge students, and that it's impossible for every idea -- including the idea that the world is flat -- to be treated by professors as a legitimate interpretation."

Hudson said he hoped the survey would shift the political debate away from accusations about higher ed being dominated by professors trying to impose a political agenda. But he still expects complaints from some. "It's good to have data and reasonable people will see what the data say -- that there is no problem," he said. "But people with a political agenda don't care about data in the first place."

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Comments on Tolerant Faculty, Intolerant Students

  • The Emperor's Clothes
  • Posted by DFS on August 20, 2008 at 6:20am EDT
  • From the survey: "Of those students who reported professors had inappropriately presented their political views in
    class, 26.3 percent cited criticism of the President/Republicans/Conservatives, 14.9 percent cited criticism of a party/candidate not specified, 3.5 percent criticism of Democrats/Liberals, 3.5 percent that no discussion of views was allowed in class, and 1.8 percent for both race and
    religion, respectively."

    Looks to me like the Right is criticized by instructors about 8 times as often as is the Left. I suppose most of the faculty would interpret this as justly applied criticism of incorrect views.

  • Did ya notice?
  • Posted by Frank on August 20, 2008 at 7:30am EDT
  • Funny how it is never the professors... in a website aimed at those professors....

  • Posted by Larry on August 20, 2008 at 7:30am EDT
  • Is preference for a political candidate really a different "view." This is about as shallow as saying that you prefer pie rather than cake.

    By the time you get to college you should have a but more nuanced understanding of everything.

  • Tolerant faculty
  • Posted by Ohioteach on August 20, 2008 at 7:45am EDT
  • DFS, you quote the following stats as 'from the survey': “Of those students who reported professors had inappropriately presented their political views in class, 26.3 percent cited criticism of the President/Republicans/Conservatives, 14.9 percent cited criticism of a party/candidate not specified, 3.5 percent criticism of Democrats/Liberals, 3.5 percent that no discussion of views was allowed in class, and 1.8 percent for both race and religion, respectively.”

    Maybe it's just too early in the morning, but I don't find that quoted sentence anywhere in the article or in the linked report. Where'd it come from?

  • News / Not News
  • Posted by JP Craig on August 20, 2008 at 8:15am EDT
  • The survey suggests to me that students are less politic in expressing their political views than people twice their age or more. Recalling my 18 year-old self, those finds agree with my experience. And as a teacher, ditto. Helping the students move toward adulthood and the ability to express themselves in a manner that helps society rather than just expressing preferences seems to me to be our job, whether we are one of those big old liberals or not.

  • Posted by LYNN401 on August 20, 2008 at 8:15am EDT
  • This is a typical left-wing study that proports to prove one thing while actually proving that when liberals design a study, they'll get the results they want. Who cares what students "perceive"? Most of the students I know don't have a clue about politics, so how would they know whether they're being taught as opposed to indoctrinated. Professors present a certain set of "facts" while excluding other facts (called "filtering facts" in logical fallacy lingo). Students may not be aware of the full picture, so they would not identify this tactic. Thus, when asked if such a professor is biased, they would say "no" because they don't realize that the professor is biased.

    I work at a college and 90% of the faculty are liberal. How do I know? Because they're very vocal about it. I hear them discussing what they teach/talk about in class, and believe me, there is a definitely liberal slant.

    The Republican legislator quoted in the article has his head in the sand. This study proves absolutely nothing except that liberals will make the results what they want them to be by designing a study to garner said results.

  • The numbers are significant
  • Posted by Jason on August 20, 2008 at 8:25am EDT
  • Student intolerance and over-sensitivity has always coexisted, from my experience over four decades. But the students are not the authorities in colleges. The students don’t grade each other and one’s fellow students' opinions just aren't important. The professor has an obligation to insure that his/her personal political opinions won’t affect the student’s grade.

    Once again, from my experience, only a very few students want to engage in debate or express dissent. This minority tends to carry the vital discussion while the vast silent majority benefits by watching. If that minority believes it will be punished for their opinions this important interaction is lost. The survey suggests there is a significant problem.

  • poor survey
  • Posted by Steven S. Clark at UW on August 20, 2008 at 8:50am EDT
  • After hearing several complaints from students of religious intolerance on the UW-Madison campus, I conducted an exploratory survey. I sampled students who particpated in campus para-church groups. The purpose was to get preliminary data from which to determine if a wider study was justified and to test various questions in order to know how to set up a survey that asks the right questions. The limitations of this include that as a preliminary survey, it was not designed to have statistical significance and the students self reported.

    Having said that, I did uncover some recurring examples of religious intimidation from certain profs. Most interesting is that almost all examples were limited to the school of education and some humanities, disciplines including nursing. There were no examples of such problems in the Medical or engineering schools , or in the hard sciences. My provisional hypothesis is that, not unexpectedly, in disciplines where values and faith are least likely to arise in the classroom, there were no complaints.

    Hence, a survey of intolerance that simply averages the whole university may not be very illuminating. You could have, for example, rampant intolerance in one school that is diluted by averaging with medical, engineering and Ag schools on the same campus.

    Steven S. Clark, PhD
    http://stevensclark.typepad.com/bioscience_biz/2008/07/purdue-universi.html

  • Posted by chuck c on August 20, 2008 at 8:50am EDT
  • RE: Emperor's clothes:

    Since the students surveyed have been in college under a Republican administration, it makes sense that the weight of comments in classes would tip toward the GOP today. I bet it would be exactly the opposite had this survey been done in 1998.

  • Inconvenient reality
  • Posted by Frank A. on August 20, 2008 at 8:50am EDT
  • When hands-on empirical data collection reveals that soft-side academic faculty registered overwhelmingly to one of two majority political parties (25-2, 27-0, 50-3) and also donate heavily to that majority political party -- reality is an inconvenient addition to the debate.

    "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain." -- Prof. Marvel, Univ. of Oz.

  • They Don't Get It . . .
  • Posted by Doug on August 20, 2008 at 8:55am EDT
  • The issue raised by legislators and others is whether or not there is sufficient intellectual diversity on campus, not on whether or not there is tolerance for differing opinions. Those are two different issues. There should be both diversity and tolerance on campus, from administrators, faculty, and students alike.

  • Where's the Bias?
  • Posted by Don Langenberg , Chancellor Emeritus at University System of Maryland on August 20, 2008 at 9:20am EDT
  • Good for the University System of Georgia! This study is an excellent example of how universities and policy makers ought to address controversial issues. Rather than just invent an opinion and harangue everybody else about it, determine the facts as best you can, analyze them carefully, and rationally construct an understanding of the issue and, if necessary, a position on it. That sort of thing goes on in universities all the time under labels like "critical thinking" and "scientific analysis." Unfortunately, there are always a few (like LYNN401) who take the easier invent-and-harangue path.

  • Posted by Engineering Grad Student on August 20, 2008 at 9:20am EDT
  • Does it matter if one student believes some other grouping of students is intolerant? The analysis of this study gives short shrift to professor-student interactions, namely, intimidation by grading. Jaschik notes that 23% of students say they have had to agree with the professor to get a good grade, but another 12% responded that they were neutral on the topic. Less than two-thirds of students state that professors don't engage in this behavior. At the same time, 35% of all students surveyed were in the sciences, where there simply isn't a whole lot of time for political advocacy. The effective numbers for the remaining fields must be higher to reflect this.

  • Georgia Bias on My Mind
  • Posted by John K. Wilson at collegefreedom.org on August 20, 2008 at 9:30am EDT
  • The State of Georgia has conducted an excellent survey about bias in the classroom (especially when compared to the terrible surveys done by ACTA and routinely misrepresented by Anne Neal).

    One interesting finding: more Republicans (88.7%) felt they got an excellent or good education than Democrats (83.5%).

    Only 13.3% said that professors inappropriately presented their own political views in any class, and 26.3% cited criticism of the president/Republicans/conservatives (vs. 3.5% criticism of Democrats/liberals). More Republicans (17.1%) than Democrats (9.7%) reported such a thing happening. (More Democrats than Republicans reported a professor inappropriately discussing religion.) 62% said they had argued with the professor when this happened, which is an encouraging number. Of course, students are not always the best judge of when a professor's criticism of the government is "inappropriate."

    63.9% of Republicans (vs. 73.8% of Democrats) said they felt free to discuss public issues in class, but that probably reflected choice of majors. Only 18.5% of Republicans majored in the liberal arts, compared to 33% of Democrats (which also shows a smaller pool of Republicans to go into graduate study in these fields). Interestingly, more Republicans than Democrats reported a variety of student groups representing many political viewpoints. More Democrats (22.8%) than Republicans (16.8) reported "low" respect for the political views of all students.

    Only 4.2% reported that a professor inappropriately inserted religious views in the classroom, and of that small number, 26.4% were being anti-religious or ridiculing other religions, while 53% were cases of pro-religious speech. In other words, only 1% of students in Georgia reported that any professor in class had ever ridiculed or denounced religion, a remarkably (actually disturbingly) low number.

    Only 23% of students reported having to agree with a professor to get a good grade, and about half of these involved thinking like the professor. 25.2% of Republicans (vs. 19.3% of Democrats) reported this. For two-thirds of the students, this only happened once in college (and it was less likely to happen frequently to Republicans: 1.8% of Republicans, but 6.2% of Democrats, reported it happened 5 or more time). Only 12% of those students (or 3% of all students) cited political reasons.
    Part of the party difference may reflect a desire by Republicans not to have their views challenged. Only 40.5% of Republicans (vs. 59% of Democrats) considered it important for instructors to challenge their beliefs. We also don't know whether these kinds of numbers included, say, religious students in biology class feeling forced to agree with evolution.

    Another interesting finding: Students at community colleges reported the best academic experience, even though they had the fewest classes with a discussion component. They also reported the lowest amount of students with little respect for disagreement and the lowest levels of professors discussing political views. (Some of that data may be skewed by the fact that students there had fewer classes than four-year college students.)

  • RE: Inconvenient Reality
  • Posted by JO on August 20, 2008 at 10:15am EDT
  • The real inconvenient reality is that the extreme right-wing in the USA that has taken over the Republican Party is so insane that few intelligent people would consider supporting them. If intellectual diversity is limited to including Republicans, it misses the point. Where are all the repressed Fascists and Communists on campus? Intellectual diversity in academia should be expressed in intellectual not political terms. Constructivists vs Realists, Kantians vs Hegelians etc., etc.

  • Latin Words Allow Fair Debate
  • Posted by David Ferraro , Senior Recruiter at Virginia Tech on August 20, 2008 at 10:15am EDT
  • Some of the best words of wisdom I ever received were to "agree to disagree". So often in the heat of debate or argument, the specific wording and challenges turn personal, attacking the person for believing what they believe, and not the argument itself. Early in debate and government classes in high school, we were taught to avoid argumentem ad hominem, a Latin phrase which translates to "arguments against the man". Unfair personal attacks don't address the issue, they just change the subject from the facts...and people get mad. Rather, we should aim to present our points persuasively, and in good faith, listen to the other side. If professors allow both sides to be presented, people can decide for themselves, and even better, be more accepting and understanding of others. Professors can be great moderators on controversial subjects, and good, fair debate allows all of us to grow and learn.

  • Fascinating
  • Posted by Wossamotta U. on August 20, 2008 at 10:35am EDT
  • Republicans are entirely satisfied with a survey of student opinion with regard to politics in the classroom, but they are outraged that our primary tool for assessing student learning is a survey of student opinion?

    As a Democrat, I am at least consistent in my opinion that such surveys shed little light at best. While we wait for better assessment devices, try not to patronize bright, young conservatives by insinuating they can easily be turned, and try not to villify what is by definition a profession that relies upon principle and discipline.

  • Toerant faculty
  • Posted by georgiaprof on August 20, 2008 at 10:35am EDT
  • Those of us who teach in Georgia are not surprised by the results. Now, maybe the legislature can get back to work supporting higher education, or they can figure out whether students and others really need to carry guns on campus and in church.

  • Sign of tolerance?
  • Posted by L.L. on August 20, 2008 at 10:40am EDT
  • How can overwhelming political registration bias (e.g., 27-0, 25-2) indicate "tolerance?"

    Especially when the professional colleges have more ideological diversity (50-50)? And even the military academies have civilians teaching with military officers?

    In a country with the majority politics split nearly 50-50 -- 96%/4% is just unacceptable. Replace "race" with "political viewpoint" and a winning million-dollar discrimination case (based on previous factors) results.

    Oh. "Academic freedom" trumps fairness? Sorry.

  • I Hate Data ...
  • Posted by Frizbane Manley on August 20, 2008 at 10:40am EDT
  • I’m tempted to start with “Ten things,” but I guess I’ll stick with two.

    First, it has been verified by many studies that there is an inordinately high percentage of Democrats amongst academics. It is also well-documented that ...

    Democrat = Liberal = Left-wing Political Proselytizer = Intellectually Abused Student.

    Now you’re telling me -- as you have used data to tell me before ...

    http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2008/06/25/campaign --

    that (1) students are almost equally divided between Democrats, Republicans, and Independents and (2) students see an anti-Democratic/anti-liberal bias in about the same proportion as they see an anti-Republican/anti-conservative bias. I think you can explain all of this by factoring in the fact that higher education is overwhelmingly left wing liberal, and academic conservatives don’t really know their own minds ... they’re actually very liberal themselves and call themselves moderate or conservative in comparison to the academic left-wing masses.

    These data from the University of Georgia study don’t work. Shred them!

    Second, I am really intrigued by the statistic that “31% of students said it was somewhat or very important to them that instructors not challenge their personal beliefs.” Back in the dark ages – or was it the good old days -- when I was an undergraduate, I’m certain most of us thought having our beliefs challenged was the whole point of going to college. I’ll carry that even further. I went to a liberal arts college – which I imagine to be significantly different from the University of Georgia – and waaay more than 31% of us thought it was important to challenge the personal beliefs of our professors. Apparently it was a different time.

    I wish I knew more about this today, but I can recall a time (maybe the last time I heard it was 30 years ago) when a typical college graduate would say something to the effect, “Oh my classes were okay, but most of what I learned was in bull sessions back in the dorm.” On the other hand, we didn’t have cell phones ... and televisions ... and DVD players ... and computers ... and Super Smash Brother, Guitar Hero, World of Warcraft, Dance Dance Revolution, Mario Kart 64, Madden, Wii Sports, Halo 2, etc. We didn’t have YouTube ... or Facebook ... or Match.com ... Hell, we didn’t ever have refrigerators or ATM cards.

    I suppose when one is as deprived of real world stimuli as we were, spending an hour having one’s beliefs challenged was the closest thing we had to spending an hour playing Grand Theft Auto.

    In any event, you can take my word for the fact that any data that are consistent with intellectual diversity – and I admit I can’t write that phrase with a straight face – must be the result of a very flawed research design. I repeat, shred those data! Now if you’ll excuse me, I think I’ll start re-reading “Charlotte Simmons” ... and then after that, “Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.”

  • Opinions vs. arguments
  • Posted by Susan Ostrander , Professor of Sociology on August 20, 2008 at 10:55am EDT
  • As a professor of Sociology, my project is to teach students to assess and develop arguments, not simply debate opinions. Arguments in social science are grounded in empirical research and logical and well-reasoned conclusions from and implications of that research -- and, yes, there is lots of opportunity there for debate. Opinions are personal beliefs which may or may not have any relationship to what the research says and may or may not be based in reason and logic. Maybe it's fun to debate personal beliefs over a cup of coffee or a beer, but it does not seem to me the main activity for a college classroom.

  • The Real Story
  • Posted by Prof. Challenger on August 20, 2008 at 10:55am EDT
  • So, we're told that "Faculty groups and presidents tend to fear that the measures could pressure colleges into political quotas on hiring or campus speaking engagements, and that these proposals respond to a problem that doesn’t really exist." How come these same groups don't fear that "measures" to increase skin-color-and-genitalia diversity could create the same problems?

  • Posted by Frank on August 20, 2008 at 11:00am EDT
  • First, it is assumed that you are left leaning. That is the default assumption. Although, more militant lefties love to probe other staff in order to 'out' them. It is not so much 'don't ask, don't tell' but 'get asked, still don't tell cause it will hurt your career'.

    Second, to Jo, Fascists and Communists are leftist and typically embraced, not repressed, by the left leaning majority.

  • Two Cultures
  • Posted by LogicGuru on August 20, 2008 at 11:10am EDT
  • Students don’t seem to have the tools to argue passionately and not hurt each other’s feelings

    I think this is the key to the whole thing: faculty and students see disagreement and argument differently. Students tend to see argument as a power play. They take disagreement personally, as an attack on the self, and so imagine that given the power to screw them over, people who disagree with their views will. Given that assumption, they infer that if they don't want to get an adverse grade they have to agree with the professor.

    Most faculty I suspect see argument and disagreement differently--more as a rough sport, a source of enjoyment in and of itself. We like students who come out slugging and give us a good fight, and reward them--providing it is a good fight and not just inarticulate, sullen hostility. This is certainly the way it goes in my profession--philosophy.

    Maybe it reflects a difference between academics and the general public, and a difference in the life skills people need to thrive in academia vs those they need to make it out in the Real World, where you get brownie points for going with the program and disagreement is read as being rude, hostile or obstructive. It's hard, hard, hard to get across the idea that fighting is fun, not to be taken personally, and that it's precisely argument that sharpens and clarifies positions and advances knowledge. At least so Our Founder believed.

  • Re: Frank
  • Posted by DFS on August 20, 2008 at 11:20am EDT
  • Sorry about the delay in replying. Page 5 of the Executive Summary has what I quoted.
    Someone had a good point that under a Republican administration the skew is understandable. I'm just remembering the many shrill professors from the Left who taught me under the Clinton years, however. They seemed to burst forth with a renewed sense of cover. Or maybe it was just the luck of my draw at the time . . .

  • "Frank"
  • Posted by DFS on August 20, 2008 at 11:25am EDT
  • Oops I meant Ohioteach, not Frank.

  • Re: Two Cultures
  • Posted by Reader on August 20, 2008 at 11:40am EDT
  • > "They take disagreement personally, as an attack on the self.... if they don’t want to get an adverse grade they have to agree.... where you get brownie points for going with the program and disagreement is read as being rude, hostile or obstructive."

    Ah, but this is *precisely* the way Residence Life and Student Affairs departments *within* universities think and work, and the students spend more time under their thumb than under yours. Students learn very quickly that if they dissent or argue with Residence Life they will be written up as uncooperative, not a "team player," "insensitive," "biased," having a "developmental" problem, needing extra training sessions, etc. From the point of view of your students, this *is* how the academic world works.

  • Anti-President not = Anti-Republican/Conservative
  • Posted by JW on August 20, 2008 at 11:40am EDT
  • The Survey's Executive Summary (p. 5) mentions the percentage of students who cited "criticism of the President/Republicans/Conservatives," with the implication that the 3 items comprise a single group. (That categorization was not presented to students in the actual survey instrument--it's likely a compilation from the open-ended responses.)

    DFS' experiences notwithstanding, I beg to differ! Many of the nation's premier editorial cartoonists and writers earn their livlihood by taking digs at the President in office at the time--regardless of his political affiliation. In a similar vein, many professors tend to be iconoclastic--they'll examine the policies of whoever is President, and it's often easy to find fault with politicians. Some of them might also be anti-Republican/conservative, but the correlation isn't strong. In fact, some of them were also likely to have been critics of Bill Clinton when he was in office!

  • Posted by CB in Chicago on August 20, 2008 at 12:20pm EDT
  • Until I thought about it, I, too, was disturbed that nearly one third of those surveyed did not want to have their beliefs challenged. But one thing all of us need to remember is that college students, particularly the younger ones, are still adolescents, and as such are intellectually maturing, rather than fully mature. Many are very insecure in their beliefs and opinions, and as such they are fearful of being challenged; one characteristic of adolescence is the need to be 'right.'

    I've also noticed that those who appear most fixed in their beliefs are often the ones who swing most wildly from one set of beliefs to another. For example, I personally know several left-wing political activists and agnostics from the sixties and seventies who by the time they were thirty espoused extremely conservative political and/or religious views.

    All these arguments and statistics tell me is that nothing much has changed, people still identify themselves as nearly equally divided among liberal, conservative and independent political beliefs regardless of who teaches them, and that professors are just one small influence among the many that determine our political stances.

  • Posted by Assistant Professor of Physics on August 20, 2008 at 12:20pm EDT
  • "legislation that would insist on annual reports from public colleges on their efforts to promote “intellectual diversity.”"

    You know, for people who claim to be so critical of academia, they sure seem to fit in quite well. Yes, we'll just have another mandatory annual report, and we can form a committee to write it, and that will surely solve the problem.

    David Horowitz would probably be an excellent Associate Vice Provost for Obscure Administrative Affairs.

  • Those who cannot remember the past ...
  • Posted by Charles Bittner , Academic Liaison at The Nation on August 20, 2008 at 12:35pm EDT
  • In June of 1941, Georgia Governor Eugene Talmadge demanded that a number of academic professionals who advocated limited school integration be dismissed from their jobs. Accordingly, a college president, several deans, and quite a few college professors were fired. As a result, the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools suspended the accreditation of all ten University System institutions in the state, citing, “unprecedented and unjustifiable political interference” in college operations. In response, Georgia’s State Assembly passed a constitutional amendment that read, “The government, control, and management of the University System of Georgia and all of the institutions in said system shall be vested in the Board of Regents of the University System of Georgia.”

    In reference to this amendment, Governor Ellis Arnall, who had subsequently defeated Talmadge, stated, “That means that no matter who comprises the General Assembly or who is occupying the office of Governor, the Regents as a department continues to function completely protected from the whims and caprices of politics.”

    Consequently, although I’m thankful that this survey has assuaged Representative Bill Hembree’s interest, at least temporarily, in legislating higher education policy, it seems to me that his personal opinions regarding the university system have absolutely no legal standing. Perhaps Mr. Hembree should spend his time concentrating on his actual job: raising his state’s K-12 achievement levels, which remain embarrassingly below those of the rest of the country.

  • Responding To Logic Guru ...
  • Posted by Frizbane Manley on August 20, 2008 at 12:45pm EDT
  • As always, I think you make good points. I have just two fairly picky complaints ...

    First, I appreciate your point about differing perceptions about disagreement – and I especially agree that managing disagreement is a wonderful pedagogical tool – but I don’t think it is “the key to the whole thing.”

    This is my sloppy way of saying I can’t put my finger on the key, but I believe ...

    1. it originates outside the academic community ... and is exacerbated within it.

    2. it is related to differing “world views” ... in particular, is it the function of government to protect the individual’s property or is it the purpose of government to establish and preserve the individual’s “liberty.” Needless to say, none of us want this to be an either/or choice, so we are always looking for balance ... thus disagreement.

    3. it is generally believed – either rightly or wrongly – that there is a battle in our society between these two groups, and it is thought that neither group is above using a position of academic authority to proselytize.

    4. those who honor property rights over individual rights are in a distinct minority in academe (although outside of academe it’s probably the other way around), and like any minority, they will use whatever force is available to them to preserve their perspective. Also, like many small minorities, they are justifiably paranoid about the extent to which their perspective will be respected by the majority.

    5. thus, the conflict ... and, by the way, it is never more apparent than it is when reading the comments to an InsideHigherEd article like this one.

    My second complaint, Logic Guru, is with respect to your “At least so Our Founder believed.” Despite all of the great press our Founding Fathers get – and please underline “Fathers” – they were hardly model citizens. Oops, that’s not right is it? They were precisely the model citizens who were willing to pay lip service to individual liberty, all the while using their individual and collective genius to make sure the government was defined in a manner that protected their property. And, by the way, a sizeable proportion of that property consisted of other human beings whose liberties ... well, let’s not go there.

    I hope I’m not picking on the Founding Fathers. I’m just bringing them into this discussion to emphasize that this battle has existed in our fair land at least since those guys were hammering out the details of the Constitution (oh, thank God our property is protected) and the Bill of Rights (well maybe our Constitution needs a little help). If someone had silenced James Madison back then – and there seems to be no small number of InsideHigherEd readers who wish someone had – all of us academics would be wallowing in a property-protected sameness that even David Horowitz could endorse.

  • An interesting survey: more needed
  • Posted by vinnie on August 20, 2008 at 1:35pm EDT
  • I would consider Georgia to somewhat more homogeneous than some other states or institutions such as elite Eastern colleges and universities on several important factors in this survey. As such a lot of the comments over-generalized or inappropriately generalized/compared the survey's results. I would like to see this survey replicated in Massachusetts say and the results between public and private institutions compared or new York or California for that matter. One or more additional data points are needed to appropriate contextualize the Georgia findings. To the commentor who felt old fashion BS-sessions were one of the keys, the following article might be enjoyable:

    http://www.scipub.org/fulltext/jss/jss4168-74.pdf

  • Thanks, Jo
  • Posted by Phil.hill@hbosystems.com on August 20, 2008 at 1:45pm EDT
  • While I agree with your point that we should be striving for intellectual diversity rather than political, your language shows the bigger problem. By calling some group of people "insane" and saying that no thinking person could agree, you are showing cutting off debate and claiming that there are no valid opinions from the conservatives.

    It is this type of mindset that is the problem! Currently, it comes out as right vs. left, but that is the symptom, not the problem. It is the mindset that is the problem.

  • Two Cultures
  • Posted by LogicGuru on August 20, 2008 at 1:45pm EDT
  • Frizzbane Manley, sorry for the confusion, but I wasn't referring to the framers of the US Constitution but to Our Founder, Socrates, and to his views about argument.

    Reader is certainly right about Student Life and other para-academic units at most universities. There's quite often a real conflict of values and interests between them and faculty. E.g. a few years ago our Student Affairs honcho gave us a talk on the importance of seeing to it that students got jobs and got hooked into the Greek system because these these things were crucial for "retention." If students were making a few bucks drudging at burger joints near campus and partying in an on-campus social network they would hang around. Most of us were pretty pissed. (Personally I have no problem with partying but work simply cuts the time and attention students can give not only to academics but to cultural activities, sports and all the good things the university provides.)

    I suspect that students don't make fine distinctions between faculty and para-academic personnel--Student Life, Registrar's Office, Financial Aid, and various other bureaucrats which whom they deal. We're all Authorities, laying down dumb rules and setting up hoops for them to jump through, preparing them for adult life where they'll be doing more of the same until they get into a position of authority so that they can make others jump through hoops. But that just isn't the way it is.

    Academia I believe is its own culture where being a "team player," not being "disruptive," sucking up, making the right noises and wearing the right clothes aren't the big deal. For cynical idealists like me this is a real dilemma. I believe universities should educate students--not only teach technical skills (though of course that's essential), but get students to think independently, be critical, be argumentative, be disinterested and not take things personally, tolerate disagreement and eccentricity, learn to enjoy ideas. But I recognize that these properties aren't going to do them much good outside of Academia.

    The most haunting and depressing comment I ever got on a course eval for logic (LogicGuru, of course, teaches logic) was: "What's the good of being logical if no one else is."

  • you are right, phil.hill
  • Posted by DFS on August 20, 2008 at 2:30pm EDT
  • JO's language is an example of the symptom. It should always be more constructive to debate the issues and not personalities. Having said that, though, if JO is a teacher I'm sure that there is no unnecessary political speech in THAT classroom!

  • How tolerant?
  • Posted by Frank A. on August 20, 2008 at 4:40pm EDT
  • " .. Perhaps Mr. Hembree should spend his time concentrating on his actual job: raising his state’s K-12 achievement levels .."

    Does that view also hold for urban K-12 systems, including those that are heavily-unionized?

    Or is "tolerance" only for one side?

  • Posted by Jeanne on August 20, 2008 at 4:40pm EDT
  • The reason that hiring based on politcal viewpoint is different than affirmative action is one thing -- choice. It is your choice what politics you aly yourself with, and viewpoints can and do change. Race, gender, sexual orientation, race, etc. are not choices. They are facts.
    I also thimk its is unwise to assume all people of a certain politcal leaning are of the same mind and somehow working to undermine one side or another. This is classical stereotyping.

  • Posted by MD on August 21, 2008 at 5:15am EDT
  • I don't care if they challenge me, but I would like it if they read.

  • Posted by lynn401 , Ignore the point if you want . . . on August 21, 2008 at 7:05am EDT
  • . . . but that doesn't mean it's valid, Don.

    You wrote, "Unfortunately, there are always a few (like LYNN401) who take the easier invent-and-harangue path."

    What am I "inventing"? I'm pointing out that just because students don't perceive they are being indoctrinated does not mean that faculty are not biased. One does not prove the other. Or did you miss my point about filtering facts.

    The facts are that our universities are full of radical former hippies of the 60s who think that their view is the most "intellectual" one and that they need to teach this view to the students in their classes. I've worked fulltime in two colleges, and in both of them, I saw this at work.

  • Student Intolerence Does Matter
  • Posted by Dr. K on August 21, 2008 at 9:20am EDT
  • Early in the comments, a couple of participants suggested that student intolerence of differing viewpoints is inconsequential, because one student has no authority over another, whereas faculty have the power to punish dissenters through grading. Well, clearly, professors have no business using grades in this way, and if there is widespread student perception that they do, this is something professors should work harder to address. (e.g. Being clear that work with a strong political/religious bias will not be downgraded for the bias itself, but may receive a poor grade for failing to apply the methodologies appropriate to that discipline.)

    But getting back to students... Disagreement with one's peers is not without real-life consequences, especially for very young adults. Let's not forget that many college students live among their peers. It absolutley does matter whether your dorm neighbors ridicule your religious rituals or the people you see at meals are trying to proselityze to you. It matters if you are a young woman in a culture that dictates what a woman must or should not be. It makes a difference to a veteran if the campus community is very anti-military. A minorty student will feel completely disrespected on a campus where the only kind of racism acknowledged to exist by peers is so-called "reverse discrimination."

    Moreover, my experience is that liberal professors on campuses with overwhelmingly conservative student bodies (and alumni associations and parent tuition-payers) feel quite restricted in their political self-expression and often self-censor, so as not to offend. This self-censorship may extend to modifying curriculum or avoiding certain texts or films in an undergraduate course. I teach in Georgia, and I know that this goes on, but I think the solution should not involve legislation or studies. Rather timid faculty members should grow a backbone and be true to their disciplines.

  • Student Missionatiries
  • Posted by Celia Pearce , Asst. Prof. at Georgia Tech on August 21, 2008 at 11:55am EDT
  • One of the issues the article did not address is the massive proliferation of missionary and religious recruitment activity on campus. On my campus in Georgia, there are several Christian fraternities and centers whose aim is clearly to recruit to members to their religion. Students set up tables by the student center with religious recruitment materials. When I worked in Orange County, I even had a student come up to me and say "I need you to read this pamphlet. It's for a class." It turned out she was lying. It was a Christian pamphlet and she was doing it for her student-lead Christian group. The group had been singing hymns a few feet away from where I was sitting about a half our earlier. When I reported her to the faculty administrator of student groups, I was completely ignored.

    I'm a big fan of tolerance, but I do not believe a college campus is a place to aggressively recruit people into your religion. If they want to come to your center fine. But don't harass faculty while they are eating lunch.

  • For What It's Worth
  • Posted by cts on August 21, 2008 at 1:15pm EDT
  • I think someone pointed out to "FRANK" that Fascism is a rightist, not a leftist, movement. But, it is also worth noting that the various forms of communism (yes, there are many) are profoundly 'rightist' in their conception of the group and group relations as trumping individualism. The leftist embrace of those views is a result of concern with socio-economic equality, not concern for individual rights as such.

    Anyhow, more to the point, I wonder why anyone equates a preponderance of faculty identification by U.S. political party with intolerance. Is it impossible for people to be tolerant of those with other views? If most faculty identified as Republicans, would we assume this created an atmosphere of intolerance towards 'liberals' on campuses?

  • Posted by Laura(southernxyl) on August 21, 2008 at 9:45pm EDT
  • CTS, do you not wonder why the preponderance of the faculty turns out to be one or the other given that the population is about 50/50? If the faculty were almost 100% white would you not have some questions? I'm not much of a supporter of affirmative action but I sure would.

    As to students not wanting their beliefs to be challenged: It's one thing to expect to be exposed to new ideas, etc. It's another to have teachers basically suggest that your parents are idiots and you're a gullible fool for believing them when you never asked for a critique of your personal value system. If you've signed up for a survey of British lit, for instance, and you find yourself being hammered for being pro-life, isn't that a bit much? At my age I can see myself standing up and asking if we can get back to the subject I am paying tuition to learn, but at 18-21 I would not have. My daughter reports having to silently grit her teeth and invisibly roll her eyes in the first 10 minutes or so of classes that should have no political component at all. I can definitely see students having a valid concern here.

  • Laura
  • Posted by cts on August 22, 2008 at 2:40pm EDT
  • If 100% of faculty were white, I would 'have questions,' especially now that graduate schools and colleges have been encouraging students of color to pursue academic careers (with limited success, really). But, I would not assume that white faculty cannot be 'tolerant' of students of color. (Of course, here we see the strain of the analogy: people's beliefs and tolerance towards them are not analogous to racial identity and tolerance of racial difference.)

    I certainly do not think your daughter [or mine] should be 'hammered' for views expressed in a classroom. Nor do I think professors should regularly digress from the subject matter. But, a few cautions, here: 1) Students often raise 'off topic' matters, especially at the start of a class, and a professor's responding to those matters is not necessarily illegitimate (don't forget: we all want that 'comfortable' atmosphere in our classes). 2) Students who feel themselves to have a minority view in a classroom, or who think the professor disagrees with them, are likely to interpret being questioned with being 'hammered.' This really is a matter of development: young people tend to be very sensitive about being 'challenged' to defend or support claims; the nearer and dearer those claims are to their hearts, the more sensitive the students become. 3) Students sometimes assume that all views are equally plausible and that all arguments are equally well-defended. Our job as educators is to help them move beyond this relativistic/nihilistic stance and think about each claim or view with some degree of objectivity. That, again, can be difficult for some students.

    All that said, I do not condone abuse of prosessorial power or intolerance towards students. I suspect some of my colleagues are far too outspoken in their classrooms and that they sometimes get off subject and on to the news of the day. (I do this sometimes, myself, I admit.) However, none of this indicates that colleges and universitites are full of intolerant, leftist faculty bent on oppressing or indoctrinating students. That conclusion does not follow from any of the 'evidence' that we have seen. It certainly does not follow from the fact that most faculty identify themselves as members of one political party.