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‘Collision Course’ for Graduate Education

What’s wrong with graduate education these days? Is it what Ph.D. students are missing — teaching skills perhaps, or the ability to branch out beyond their area of specialization? Or is that too many students take too long to finish?

At a discussion Wednesday as the annual meeting of the American Political Science Association kicked off in Boston, panelists agreed that the answer is “all of the above.” And they also agreed that there may be a contradiction — a “collision course,” in the words of one expert — between the desire to add more elements to graduate education and the increasingly shared view that universities need to cut “time to degree.” While the discussion focused on political science, those on the panel have also been involved in graduate education generally, and said many of the issues apply elsewhere in the social sciences.

So what’s missing in the training of new Ph.D.’s?

“Today’s graduate students have a degree of training and proficiency far in excess of those I had when I started out,” said Graham Wilson, a professor of political science at Boston University who earned his Ph.D. in 1975. “But what is happening to wider knowledge? We want to hire [new Ph.D.’s] to teach a number of different courses across the program or to be part of liberal arts programs or to be in interdisciplinary program,” he said.

Wilson, who was a graduate director at the University of Wisconsin at Madison earlier in his career and is about to take up that job in his department at BU, said that “we’ve seen over the decades a progressive narrowing” of the number of fields in political science that graduate students are expected to study in depth. However “admirable” much of the work being produced by new Ph.D.’s may be, he said, “we are producing a narrower product” that doesn’t fit with what hiring departments want. And while professors like to talk about grand philosophical issues when considering what a new Ph.D. should learn, he said, it’s important to remember that graduate education “is very much about getting jobs.”

Theda Skocpol, a professor of government and sociology at Harvard University, said that these issues aren’t new. More than five years ago, a panel appointed by Skocpol when she was president-elect of the political science association issued a report calling for more breadth in graduate training. The problem, she said, is that departments haven’t fully embraced the ideas — and the field has continued to grow.

“We do risk overspecializing and it’s a conundrum. There is more to learn in every subfield,” she said. “But I think it behooves us to recognize that on the job market, whether it is going off to work in a college where they are going to want the student to teach multiple courses, or having to develop research ideas that will engage the public over the course of a career, students have to have the ability to combine approaches and address real world questions.” With so much specialized knowledge, she said, “it’s too easy for us to wander off into very specialized communities and I don’t think that will be in our interest.”

Political science is also a field in which there has long been tension between subject matter and methods — and some said that may contribute to the problem. Skocpol said it was important that new Ph.D.’s be well versed in more than one methodology.

“There’s the constant struggles of substance vs. methods,” said Elliot E. Slotnick, associate dean of the Graduate School at Ohio State University. He said he believes that many departments have “gone too far” in favor of methodology and formal theory, and that he worried about “how easy it can be to have someone teach a course on legislatures without really knowing anything about Congress.”

Teaching generally is another area where the panel said graduate programs need to do much more. Given that most students will end up at institutions more oriented toward teaching than their Ph.D.-granting universities, graduate education has been remiss in its emphasis on research, the panel said.

So if graduate programs should offer broader training, and also teach their Ph.D. students how to teach, should they stop worrying about “time to degree"? Absolutely not, said the panelists.

Skocpol, who recently completed a term as dean of Harvard’s graduate school, is a “time to degree” hawk who aims her firepower not at graduate students but their departments. At Harvard, she instituted an unusually successful reform in which for every five graduate students in years eight or higher of a department’s Ph.D. program, the department loses one admissions slot for a new doctoral student. The program has had an immediate impact, with many departments that would have lost admissions slots moving quickly to get their long-time grad students through. If departments aren’t pressured to work with grad students, she said, they will tolerate students lingering in programs.

“It’s a terrible waste of institutional money and of people’s commitments in life” for people to be Ph.D. students 10 years and more, she said.

In fact, while Skocpol pushed for better stipends for graduate students, she said that too much money can discourage grad students from finishing up. She advocates linking funds to timetables.

At Ohio State, which as a large public university operates in a very different financial reality than that of Harvard, Slotnick said that speeding up completion has also been a top priority. The university, for example, links some fellowship support for dissertation writing to the time that a person has taken to get there — so there is an incentive to reach the dissertation-writing stage at a good pace.

Further, he said, the university is starting a “continuous registration” requirement under which anyone wanting to remain a graduate student must pay a modest fee (a few hundred dollars). This should help departments identify who is out there, theoretically finishing a program — and may prod some grad students to take their completion plans off the back burner.

Part of the problem at a place like Ohio State, he said, is that departments don’t even know the status of all of their graduate students.

So how could departments and grad schools shift their programs while not extending their duration? The panel offered several ideas.

Redefine time to degree. Skocpol said she is dubious of many of the statistics because they are inconsistent in how they count and they play down the costs of students who drop out. She devised a different standard — counting every graduate student who entered a program and tracking the student for the next 10 years. Those still enrolled at the end of 10 years get a 10, those who have earned their Ph.D.’s earlier get a number representing the years it took them, and those who dropped out get a number reflecting how many years they were enrolled. Then Skocpol divides the total by the number of doctorates awarded.

The result, she said, is the “human years invested per Ph.D.” When she did it at Harvard’s graduate school, she found departments ranged from 4 to 16 years — with the higher figures representing not only more years of work on a doctorate, but more work prior to dropping out. These figures, she said, “are embarrassing” to departments — and can be used to promote discussion and reforms.

Make better use of summers — including the pre-enrollment summer. Many graduate students need extra math assistance or (for those from some parts of the world) English assistance, and this should be taking place the summer prior to grad school, not during the program itself. This allows more students to move at a good pace from day one. Further, they said that summers are ideal time for interdisciplinary programs involving graduate students from multiple departments or from different parts of a discipline. While noting that summer programs require funding for grad students, the general sense was that summers are not sufficiently utilized, especially early in a Ph.D.

Build ties to teaching institutions. Slotnick said that Ohio State has used the Preparing Future Faculty program — an initiative of the Council of Graduate Schools — to offer a range of programs for graduate students about what their future jobs are likely to be. A key lesson, he said, was the need to get graduate students on teaching-oriented campuses so they could see what such careers look like. Ohio State works with faculty members at Kenyon College and other liberal arts colleges in the state — with programs at Columbus and the various college campuses. Some graduate students have mentors at the colleges and get to spend time there and teach — while they are still shaping their graduate program. In this way, an awareness of what potential employers would want is clear much earlier than a job talk.

Discourage early publishing and presenting. Slotnick said that in terms of grad students having more time for breadth, they can cut back on the trend of trying to publish articles and make presentations early in their graduate student careers. He said that many of these papers just aren’t that good — and hurt the reputations of the students and their programs.

Create “research workshops.” Skocpol said that the social sciences need to embrace the positive role of laboratories in the physical and biological sciences by encouraging more team work and sharing of work. In the workshops, graduate students present papers for critique by colleagues — and get into the regular pattern of presenting work, responding to critiques, and sharing ideas. Even if participants are from the same discipline, they will not be as close to a project as the student him or herself and the dissertation committee. As a result, the grad students learn to respond to people without as much knowledge as they have. This not only encourages a broader perspective, but prepares student for the job hunt. “When you go on the job market, it’s not the talk that gets you the job, but how you answer the questions,” Skocpol said.

Teach time management. Skocpol said that faculty mentors should actively teach time management, especially with regard to teaching undergraduates. “Teaching them how to be good teachers and how not to let it eat up all of your time” is key, she said. Graduate students need to be told that they can be responsive to undergraduates without “being available 24 hours a day,” and the need to learn that if a teaching assistant position is supposed to represent one fifth of their workload “how to do it in one fifth of their time.”

Scott Jaschik

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Questions

Is there an over-supply or under-supply of poly-sci PhDs? In what geographic areas? Topic areas?

If there is an over-supply — has that fact been clearly communicated to PhD applicants?

If there is an over-supply — what are the financial implications for students who are funding their own PhDs (e.g., second-career professionals)?

Frank, at 6:30 am EDT on August 28, 2008

PhD attrition is a disagrace. It’s been estimated that about half of PhD students never finish their degrees. Many of these complete all requirements except their dissertations. These students are spending too much time and/or money on these degrees to not graduate. And right now, schools and professors have little incentive to help students graduate in a timely manner. In fact, since PhD students often provide cheap teaching labor for schools, schools may have an incentive to keep them in their programs longer. We need to establish rewards for schools and professors that graduate all of their qualified PhD students in a timely manner, and/or punishments for those that don’t...

Author, No Sucker Left Behind, at 8:00 am EDT on August 28, 2008

Not another field....

Excellent ideas here. Asking grad students to attend even more meetings and seminars will certainly give them more time to work on dissertations.

I also suggest adopting methods used in many English departments to guarantee a slow time-to-completion. Have your graduate students teach 9-12 semester hours an academic year, beginning in their first year of school. Require them to attend teacher training sessions and to take teacher-training classes and to prepare voluminous teaching materials for evaluation—everything you might want to do to faculty teachers but can’t. Pay them 10 grand and a fee remission so they have to take out loans or work part-time.

Have advisors suggest to them that they can’t get a job unless they do service work on committees the faculty don’t want to sit on.

Is it really about turning out better teachers? Do market or funding “realities” really make all this okay? How many faculty teach the courses grad students regularly teach?

There are a lot of good reasons to do some of these things to a certain degree, but so often it really does look like a cheap source of teachers. Political scientists, be wary.

JP Craig, at 9:40 am EDT on August 28, 2008

Ph.D Comments

A FEW WORDS ABOUT DISSERTATIONS AND DISTANCE LEARNING

The most rigorous part of the dissertation includes the

Methods Section Study Design Research questions and hypothesis formulation Development of instrumentation Describing the independent and dependent variables Writing the data analysis plan Performing a Power Analysis to justify the sample size and writing about it Results Section Performing the Data Analysis Understanding the analysis results Reporting the results. When you enter this phase of the program, you are nearing the end of the journey. Given the difficulty of this phase, one often wishes they had previewed what was to come. Many Ph.D candidates seem to hit a brick wall and feel disarmed when called upon to work on the methods and results section of their dissertation. This is the point where many students diligently search for help calling on their advisor, peers, university assistance and even Google. This is also the time when the student asks themselves the question” HOW MUCH HELP IS TOO MUCH". Surely no one will deny that having your dissertation written for you is very wrong.

On the other hand, it is not unusual for doctoral students to get help on specific aspects of their dissertation.(e.g. APA formatting and editing) It also is not unusual for advisors to encourage students to seek outside help.

If you are a distance learning student it is almost essential you seek outside assistance for the methods and results section of your dissertation. The very nature of distance learning suggest the need for not only outside help but help from someone gifted in explaining highly technical concepts in understandable language by telephone and e-mail.

Distance learning, and the availability of programs, has increased exponentially over the last few years with some of the most respected institutions (Columbia University, Engineering; Boston University and others) offering a Ph.D in a variety of fields. If you are enrolled in a distance learning program, or considering one, you will be interested in reviewing the reference sites listed at the bottom of this page.

As stated above, many students hit their dissertation “brick wall” when they encounter the statistics section. Frequently, a student will struggle for months with that section before they seek a consultant to help them. This often leads to additional tuition costs and missed graduation dates.

If I were to name a single reason why a PhD candidate gets off track in their program it is the statistics and their fear of statistics.

So, the question is whether or not it is ethical to get help at all. If so, how much help is too much.

I don’t know if there has ever been a survey of dissertation committee members who were asked this question, however, I know many advisors take the following position when they suggest or approve outside help:

To a large extent the process is self controlling. If the student relies too much on a consultant, the product may look good, however, the student will be unable to defend his/her dissertation.

It takes a committed effort on the part of the student and the consultant (resulting in a collaborative/teaching exchange) to have the student responsible for the data and thoroughly understand the statistics. The day the student walks in front of the committee to defend, there should be no question as to his/her understanding of statistics.

When their defense is successful, the question “was the help too much” is answered.

If you are a Ph.D candidate and would like additional information, please review the referenced sites below:

Boyd Reference sites: http://www.usdla.org/ http://www.cgsnet.org/http://www.statisticallysignificantconsulting.com/

Boyd, at 9:40 am EDT on August 28, 2008

Years to PhD

I like the simplicity of the equation by the Harvard dean, but let’s not forget about part-time PhD students, who will take longer to degree because they have expressly planned to do so. They do not fit into such an equation. Nonetheless, I also like the penalization of one less new space for each student enrolled beyond 8 years, and in many cases this applies for part-timers as well as full-time students.

I am concerned that there will be instances of faculty/departmental discouragement of continuation for those students who pose such a burden, but I imagine that in the vast majority of cases, especially once the policy becomes well-established, it will have its desired effect.

Wossamotta U., at 9:50 am EDT on August 28, 2008

Teaching (sadly) doesn’t matter

At my large state university, incoming PhD students are often told by older students never to mention their interest in placing at a teaching college instead of a top-20 research university. Mentioning teaching to the faculty is virtually a guarantee that you will be ignored and ostracized during the dissertation process.

Being a TA is the lowest form of graduate funding here, only given to first-year students or older students who can’t find a research job. Very few students choose to TA for more than one year.

Robert, PhD Student, at 10:05 am EDT on August 28, 2008

Research vs. Teaching

I’ll support Robert in saying that teaching is absolutely frowned upon in Ph.D. programs. It’s all about research, research, research.

It’s a disservice to graduate students and undergraduate ones since the vast majority of faculty positions across the country are at teaching oriented universities. I’ve seen numerous appalling teaching demonstrations from Ph.Ds who have graduated from top programs. Their students won’t learn anything.

AProf, at 12:10 pm EDT on August 28, 2008

incompatibility between research and teaching?

I disagree with the idea that since the majority of institutions of higher learning stress teaching, we should correspondingly deemphasize research in our graduate programs. An overlooked reason that the students don’t learn anything is that the instructor has nothing of substance to offer them. Technique, pedagogy, enthusiasm, etc. should not be neglected, to be sure, but I have sat in a class where the instructor had a tenuous grasp of his material, and this more than anything else adversely affected his performance. The standard line that you need only to know more than your student is garbage. Students know at least enough to distinguish between fluff and substance. In this regard, ironically enough, schools like mine, which extract every ounce of cheap academic labor from graduate students as they try more or less successfully to engage in the process of research do them a disservice in the end, even as they assure them that they are preparing them to compete in the “job market” by providing them “teaching experience.” Who doesn’t have teaching experience in such a system? My teaching experience is extensive, but it has done nothing to help me break into this chimerical job market.

adjunct instructor, at 12:55 pm EDT on August 28, 2008

Universities need to be responsible

For too long whether a student finishes the Ph.D. or not has been in the hands of the dissertation avisor, who may be more interested in his or he own success and research than in the success of the student. Students who fail to get the Ph.D. in a timely way are a failure of the university to supervie the process. Unsupportive faculty advisors need to be overseen by a committee of their peers to be sure that they are working to help their students to succeed rather than trying to prove themselves adequate by excessively criticizing everything the student does. Why does education to qualify for the Ph.D. come down to the overlordship of one, single, unsupervisd faculty member at the end of a long and expensive process. It’s medieval and the entire system cries out for structural reform.

Jack Cumming, at 1:40 pm EDT on August 28, 2008

Preparing Future Faculty program and AAC&U

Readers who wish to pursue the Preparing Future Faculty program mentioned in this article will want to know that this was a partnership between the Council of Graduate Schools AND the Association of American Colleges and Universities (AAC&U at www.aacu.org). Jerry Gaff, Senior Scholar at AAC&U, was a founding leader of Preparing Future Faculty. More information about PFF plus program resources are online at http://www.aacu.org/pff/index.cfm.

Jack Meacham, SUNY Distinguished Teaching Professor at University at Buffalo—SUNY, at 1:40 pm EDT on August 28, 2008

Let me throw a little gas on the fire. Higher education is coming under criticism from many different sources over the quality of the education given to its students. Maybe the fixation on having a PhD is a part of the problem. I have a Master’s, but it is worthless because everything is PhD-required…regardless of the experience. One job opening at my university required a PhD, but the field did not matter. I have over 40 years of experience in my area of expertise, yet PhDs with little or no experience in either the field or teaching come in with a higher salary. I have seen people with incredible expertise and experience turned away from a teaching job because of not having a PhD. The same job is then turned over to a PhD with little or no experience outside the university environment. I would never denigrate anyone’s PhD, but they are not the be all and end all. In getting my Master’s I had more professional experience than any of my professors, and more than the combined total of those on my committee. Try and pin someone down on why a PhD is required and one of the arguments that invariably comes up is that they will be dealing with other PhDs. Excuse me, what does that mean? They are not as smart as the PhDs or PhDs don’t play well with non PhDs or what? Teaching does not seem to be valued on this campus, and I expect the same is true elsewhere. Research is what is important. It is next to impossible for someone who is simply a teacher to get through the promotion and tenure process. We talk a lot about how teaching is valued, but it simply does not ring true. The rewards for teaching and advising, which I thought was at least part of the job of a university, are simply not commensurate with those when research is involved. Let me make one quick point, I am well aware that keeping up with changes in one’s field is very important, and that does require research.One last note, getting a PhD seems to make one eligible for just about anything that comes up. With no experience or learning, a PhD makes one eligible to teach at the college level, run departments at the college level, head a college, and much, much more. I have often wondered how the United States of America has made it this far with only one of our presidents holding a PhD.

Longtime Associate Professor, at 10:10 am EDT on September 2, 2008

View from Australia

Things are different here in Australia, with a PhD consisting of an 80,000 word thesis, no coursework required. We are supposed to complete in 3 years full-time but this is hard to achieve — why? I would say mostly due to poor supervision from the one or two professors who are the sum total of our contact with the uni unless we undertake teaching and service work. Getting teaching work is not always easy, either, yet a newly minted PhD needs to have experience to be job competitive.

And its hard to generalise about entry level jobs with or without PhDs -in my institution I know of two new appointments this semester. One person has a PhD and three published books plus teaching experience in three other universities. He has been appointed at entry level academic A. Meanwhile, across the hall and up a few floors the favoured PhD student of the head of program has been appointed at level B despite the fact that he hasn’t got a PhD and has no publications to speak of!

As a long time to completion person myself I would say that the best way through the Australian PhD program is to do a coursework masters for 18months, then take time off to gather research material then enrol in the PhD at the time you are ready to start wrting, with the research behind you. Otherwise trying to conduct original research and write the PhD in 3 years is pretty tricky, especially without excellent supervision and while you are trying to get enough ‘experience’ to even get a job interview.

Cas, at 5:45 am EDT on September 3, 2008

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