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August 29, 2008

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As a college president, Roger H. Martin always wanted to know what actually was going with students -- not just in class, but in their minds and in their informal talks with one another. But he quickly discovered that age and title are significant barriers to getting close to students.

Early in his new book, he recalls the first night he was president of Moravian College, in 1986. Just before midnight, he decided he wanted to get a better sense of what students were like, so he walked over to the amphitheater behind the president's home, and stood behind a large tree to watch students at a mixer for freshmen, and see how they related to one another and to their new environment. A security officer spotted him, "thinking that I was either a homeless person or, worse, some kind of pervert," and demanded ID. So much for watching from behind a tree.

The incident didn't deter Martin, who went on to serve 18 years as a college president, at Moravian and at Randolph-Macon College. If surviving 18 years as a president is an accomplishment, for Martin, literal survival was not a sure thing. In 2000, he was told that the melanoma he had hoped had been a mild case in 1998 was back, and was present in his lung. His chances of living very long were minimal, but he beat the odds, responding to treatment that tends to help only about 10 percent of patients. He finished his time at Randolph-Macon determined to learn more about higher education and himself.

A self-described "late bloomer" as a student, Martin said he didn't find his academic calling (he eventually became a British historian before turning to administration) in high school or as an undergraduate, so in some ways he wasn't interested in a return to the undergraduate experience so much as truly experiencing it. He decided to enroll at St. John's College, the Annapolis institution where the curriculum is based entirely on the great books, which are discussed in intense, small group seminars. Martin describes his semester in Racing Odysseus: A College President Becomes a Freshman Again, just published by the University of California Press.

The book is a mix of Martin's descriptions of class discussions and long talks with other students -- with many of his most important friendships formed when, at age 61, he joined the crew team. Students' first names are used with their permission or, in some cases, changed to protect their identities. Martin didn't live with his fellow students -- his wife insisted that they live in an apartment off campus. And he recognized the differences between his experience and those of other students. Given the importance of class participation for students, Martin said, he was afraid he would dominate or shift conversation, so he kept his comments largely to himself during the seminars, instead discussing his thoughts on Plato, Socrates and Homer in private meetings with his tutors (the St. John's name for instructors).

St. John's attracts students who are very bright -- and also willing to go against the grain. And several of the conversations Martin describes relate to how the traditional college search (not to mention many parents) may discourage non-traditional choices like St. John's. Students talk about discovering St. John's late in the process or rejecting their parents' preferred colleges. Martin can relate, as he disappointed his father by not going to Yale University as an undergraduate (although he did enroll later as a graduate student).

The semester Martin describes shows the students becoming comfortable not only with him, but with each other. He notes the gradual shift in seminars as students defer less to their tutors, and as more students join fully in the conversation. He writes with worry about a student having trouble keeping up with the reading, and with awe for the student who both encourages and instructs him on rowing.

While Martin asked the permission of Chris Nelson, the college's president, to enroll (and received it), he intentionally didn't meet with him during his semester as a student, and saw him only when Nelson attended functions attended by other students. While some students were confused by him, he earned trust by listening, by working hard on crew, and by trying to become -- as he and some students joked -- "some not too bright older guy," not an administrator. It was striking to him, Martin said in an interview, how students view administrators as having such power. Even though Nelson and other officials at St. John's "are much closer to students than administrators at most colleges," Martin said, students talk about the suite of offices near the president's as "power alley."

In an interview, Nelson said he thinks Martin's book was on target -- particularly in noting the importance of the non-academic experiences (in Martin's case, crew) to the growth of students. While St. John's will never be called a jock school, Nelson said that Martin's book captured -- in a way that much commentary about the college does not -- the interrelationship of non-academic activity and academic activity, the fact that they aren't entirely separate.

Martin said that, for him, the crew experience was crucial. After his run-in with cancer, "I was trying to prove to myself that I was alive."

While Martin is a huge fan of the St. John's approach, he said that the lessons it offers for the rest of higher education don't include its curriculum, which is not an approach likely to be adopted. But there are qualities about the curriculum and the way it is taught that should be models, he said.

"What I admire about them is that they have a connected general education curriculum," he said. "Most general education programs, even at the best liberal arts colleges, are a mélange of general distributional requirements and there isn't connection," he said. At St. John's, by contrast, "each of the books is clearly thought out and related." That's something that could be true at other colleges for their general education courses and requirements, he said.

This relates to another quality Martin said colleges should emulate: non-specialization. Tutors at St. John's don't just teach one subject or author. Seeing that in action reinforced for Martin concerns he has had about faculties generally. "I'm increasingly critical of faculty moving to overspecialization, even at the liberal arts colleges. I think faculty either need to be able to teach in another subject area or to team teach," he said. "Knowledge is connected."

Martin hasn't become a professional student. He's in good health and now engaged in activities more typical of those for retired presidents. He's working part time for Jon McRae and Associates, an executive search firm for colleges, and also serving as a consultant for British Commonwealth universities seeking to learn American fund raising techniques.

To Martin, his experience at St. John's not only gave him new insights into students and learning, but reminded him what really matters in academe. "I got a Ph.D. not to be an administrator but to be a teacher," he said, and that teaching process is the real success of higher education. "You sometimes need to reclaim why you became a college president."

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Comments on A President Becomes an Undergraduate

  • Posted by Zvi Kedem on August 29, 2008 at 8:00am EDT
  • "And several of the conversations Martin describes relate to how the traditional college search (not to mention many parents) may discourage non-traditional choices like St. John’s."

    I thought that this was a traditional choice, but not currently fashionable.

  • Lessons to be Learned
  • Posted by Jane S. Shaw , Executive Vice President at John William Pope Center for Higher Education Policy on August 29, 2008 at 8:00am EDT
  • Another insightful story by Scott Jaschik. The St. John's "great books" approach, while rarely copied in full, has a lot to teach us about making the academic side of college meaningful to students. The interconnectedness of general education at St. John's (where it's all "general education") and the intellectual involvement of the students that comes through seminar discussions make this a model worth exploring.

  • Posted by Jim Leone on August 29, 2008 at 8:10am EDT
  • Interesting, but not an original idea. A professor from a midwestern university about 6 - 8 years ago took a leave and enrolled at her own university as a freshman with an undeclared major and lived in the dorm for the year. The title of her book is "My Freshman Year" http://www.amazon.com/My-Freshman-Year-Professor-Becoming/dp/0801443970.

  • A Personal Revelation
  • Posted by Frizbane Manley on August 29, 2008 at 11:30am EDT
  • Over the years I have dropped what I was doing and changed directions (even moving from one academic discipline to another) at the drop at a hat. On a couple of occasions I saw faculty vacancy postings for a mathematician at St. John’s, and I was very, very tempted to submit an application. I never did.

    And why not? I can assure you my friends would never accuse me of lacking intellectual curiosity of self-confidence, but I was flat-out intimidated. “Omigod,” I thought, “how long would it take me to develop the substantive confidence and pedagogical cleverness that must be required to be on the faculty at St. John’s?”

    Anyway ...

    1. I truly envy President Martin having the time and wherewithal to spend a year – or an entire undergraduate career (how could he walk away from that?) -- at St. John’s.

    2. I wonder how much he is learning about “the undergraduate experience” by matriculating at a college as unusual as St. John’s.

  • Racing Odysseus
  • Posted by Al DeCiccio , Provost at Southern Vermont College on August 29, 2008 at 11:30am EDT
  • I just finished reading Racing Odysseus. What a great treat! Roger Martin's story is courageous on many levels: his candid re-telling of his personal bout with melanoma, his strong defense of the liberal arts as presented in a place like St. John's, his correct assertion that ours is a "journey," as if on a pentekonter, through life in a community comprised of knowledgeable peers who ALL have a role to play for our civic good. I look forward to a discussion of the book on our campus, and maybe even to having President Martin come and join us for it.

    Though there’s much more to say, I have three quick things to say about the book:

    1. I wish that Susan had been given a more Penelope-like role in the memoir.

    2. Given the eloquence President Martin gives to issues of justice and ethics, I wish there had been more discussion of race.

    3. I know he is an historian, but I wish that President Martin had talked about catharsis when referring to the tragedies he summarizes so well, which might have helped him explain Socrates' fate as well as those of Achilles, Agamemnon, and the gang.

  • IRB approval
  • Posted by Michael Roona on August 29, 2008 at 11:30am EDT
  • I wonder what steps were taken to protect human research subjects in this study, particularly minors. As an Institutional Research professional whose efforts to better understand students and student life on campus are often hindered by our Institutional Review Board, I'm wondering how this research project managed to get IRB approval. Were the research subjects (fellow students and tutors) given informed consent prior to initiating the study?

  • IRB...
  • Posted by Patrick Dilley , Associate Professor of Higher Education and Qualitative Research at Southern Illinois University on August 29, 2008 at 12:40pm EDT
  • approval is not required if one is not engaging in a sponsored or work-related research project. Further, individuals over the age of 18 are not "minors."

    I'm looking forward to reading this book.

  • Posted by Albert J. Fox , Program Director at Western Career College on August 29, 2008 at 12:55pm EDT
  • A fantastic article on the true experience of returning to college after completing a full time career. As a program director I find it necessary to constantly remind adult learners who are returning to school for the first time post-high school, and without previously attending a college program, that there is value in learning in a forum that is cross generational. It is a great presentation for future use in the classroom as well as one-on-one sessions. I have a student population of both adult and recent high school graduates. Thank you for sharing some very important insight.

  • Martin at St. Johns
  • Posted by D, H. Harper on September 1, 2008 at 3:40pm EDT
  • At the age of 48,David Denby, writer for the New Yorker, went to Columbia University took two courses and wrote a book about the experience: Great Books: My Adventures with Homer ...

    If only we all could do that.

  • Let's establish more such programs
  • Posted by R.J. O'Hara on September 1, 2008 at 6:30pm EDT
  • I second D.H. Harper's comment, wishing that we could all do this. But if so many of us share this sentiment, and admire Roger Martin's accomplishment, why aren't there more programs of this kind? I'd sign up to teach in one tomorrow, and Martin shows that these programs can be a compelling draw for students of all ages. Perhaps with his many contacts in higher education Dr. Martin will start a new venture, encouraging the establishment of more Great Books programs and colleges in the US and around the world. His faculty are ready, and students and external support wouldn't be far behind.

  • As a St. John's graduate...
  • Posted by SJCgrad on September 3, 2008 at 12:15pm EDT
  • As a lucky St. John's graduate, former teacher, and now educational researcher, I look forward to reading President Martin's new book (along with the others mentioned here) with great interest. What makes St. John's such a frightening choice for many parents is what also makes it such a draw for students: a liberal arts education with no occupational emphasis. Education for education's sake. The small student-to-tutor ratio and limited class size (about 100-150 per year) cannot be replicated at most institution, and its mission (as a private institution) is decidedly different than public postsecondary institutions. Although it may not be realistic to replicate its program and teaching methods in other higher education institutions, it has been done with good results at some secondary schools (see Great Hearts Academies in Arizona) who are the employing the Socratic method with great success.

    For those who wanted to go to St. John's but thought it was too late, they have a Master's program too! (And a campus in Santa Fe!)