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Different Measures of Community College Outcomes

September 11, 2008

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Many in community colleges have long seen little relevance in the federal government’s formula for calculating graduation rates, which only includes first-time, full-time undergraduates and doesn’t count transfer to four-year colleges as an indicator of student success. A new report released by Jobs for the Future Wednesday offers an alternative approach, used in a pilot project in six states: “They said, What if we made some important changes that could make the picture more accurate? What would happen if we extended the time frame? Would graduation, would performance rates be different? What if we captured part-time students?” said Michael Collins, program director at Jobs for the Future, a Boston-based non-profit.

“What if we expanded the list of what’s success?”

Six states participating in the Achieving the Dream: Community Colleges Count initiative – Connecticut, Florida, North Carolina, Ohio, Texas and Virginia – tested alternative measures of community college performance starting in 2006.

Among the changes: States began tracking full- and part-time students alike. Whereas in the federal system, the focus is solely on whether students earn a degree or certificate, the states broadened their definition of success to also include those transferring without a degree and students who remained enrolled in their sixth year with at least 30 completed credit hours – halfway to graduation. (“The thinking,” according to the report, “was that for students who had completed at least half of the course requirements toward a degree…and were still enrolled, there was a good chance that they would persist and eventually earn a degree or transfer to a four-year institution. Analysis verified this hypothesis.”)

The states also followed students as they moved between different institutions within state community college systems. And they lengthened the time frame for tracking students from three years, as in the federal formula, to six. In Florida, graduation rates for full-time students jumped from 19 to 35 percent when the time frame was extended from three to six years, and the rate for students who started part-time grew from 7 to 19 percent in the interval.

Collins said he was sensitive to criticisms that the colleges were crafting an accountability system tailored to play up their strengths, not their weaknesses. “It’s between apology and accountability. At what point in alternative measures are we kind of apologizing for where we’re not performing?” Collins said.

However, he pointed out that tracking the performance of part-time students lowered colleges’ overall outcomes, but that states felt it was important to include them in the analysis nonetheless. He also pointed out that the doubling or tripling of graduation rates from years three to six are “real data. Is chopping that off in three years really accurate given, in this sector, the percentage of students who attend part-time, who are older, all those different things? I think it’s a conversation worth having.”

Next up, the six-state working group is testing a set of interim measures to track student progress at an even more granular level – measuring completion of remedial coursework, for instance, and enrollment in and completion of the first college-level math and English courses.

“We’re hoping that this isn’t just about accountability,” said Collins. “This is largely about also giving us accurate information that’s actionable, that institutions can act on, having a more clear understanding of what’s happening to their students at what points.”

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Comments on Different Measures of Community College Outcomes

  • Succes or Failure? You be the judge!
  • Posted by Tom on September 11, 2008 at 8:30am EDT
  • During my very first week at the community college where I work, I ran into an old high school friend in the hallway. After high school graduation, he went straight to the factory. After years on the line, he decided to go back to school and learn a skilled trade. I asked him how long he had been taking classes. He replied, "Ten years." That spring I watched him cross the stage and accept an associate's degree. According to federal standards, he is a failure.

  • Florida's CCs
  • Posted by Glen S. McGhee , Dir., at Florida Higher Education Accountability Project on September 11, 2008 at 9:00am EDT
  • Clearly Florida's statewide course numbering system (SCNS) and 2 yr. to 4 yr. articulation agreements (IAAs) have paved the way to the relative success shown here. Hats off to Pat and the CC staff for their collaborative efforts on this report.

    The level of analysis is very high, however - at the state level -- which "protects" individual institutions, and could convey a false impression of uniformity. Since the move to allow nine (9) CCs to grant bachelors degrees (BAS) is so recent, I doubt that this has much impact on these cohorts.

    More to the point is why success at this level isn't translating into baccalaureate production in Florida. This needs to be addressed, as do the stubbornly high remediation rates.

    The dual enrollment "shadow education" system also feeds into this, but how this is playing out is not detailed.

    In Florida dual enrollment credits are awarded by the community colleges, with classes taught at the local high schools by high school teachers. How this is done varies from institution to institution, but the resulting college credits are significant.

  • Good for Florida!
  • Posted by Cecelia Burokas , Consulting Practice Leader at CAEL on September 11, 2008 at 10:30am EDT
  • Finally, working adults are given their due. Of course part-time students should be counted and the time frames signifying success should be lengthened! 'Traditional' community college students are quickly turning into a minority as working adults realize that that their economic future depends on new learning.* Many take one course at a time as they work full time and take care of their family obligations. While we're at it, it's time to change the federal educational grant system to cover these one-course, low-income students.

    *The American economy also depends on these non-traditional students. For more information go to:

    http://www.cael.org/pdf/StateIndicators_Executive_Summary.pdf

  • Rubber yardsticks
  • Posted by Prof Challenger on September 11, 2008 at 11:10am EDT
  • when you stretch a rubber yardstick, everything you measure seems bigger.

  • Graduation-Transfer Rates
  • Posted by Glen Snider , Director of Research at Eastern Arizona College on September 11, 2008 at 11:30am EDT
  • Arizona has developed a new transfer rate formula that examined data using a 6-year timeframe for transfer from community colleges To Arizona universities with similar results to the graduation rate formula and dat of the six states mentioned in the article.

  • One size fits none
  • Posted by DS on September 11, 2008 at 5:40pm EDT
  • My wife once had a job that saw her travel to Belgium a bit, so she decided it would be helpful for her to brush up on her French. Already in possession of two Master's degrees, she went to the local community college, took several semesters of French and got exactly what she needed (I am witness to this, she conversed rather well with shopkeepers and waiters when we visited Montreal last summer). Non-matriculated, no intention of earning an Associate's Degree. The current Federal definition of this scenario is "failure" and serves as proof of how inadequate the college is.

    I now proudly work at that same community college. This sector provides many different things to many different people and cannot be judged by the same yardstick (rubber or otherwise) as other colleges. This is not a hierarchical, elitist argument; in order for the higher education system in this country to be successful, all must acknowledge that college is not solely the domain of 18 year olds coming straight out of high school to live in a dorm, attend full-time and graduate when they're 22. Some students are fortunate enough not to be 18 anymore and shouldn't be judged as though they are.