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Rethinking Student Aid, Radically

September 19, 2008

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Under the aegis of the College Board, a baker's dozen of the country's top financial aid thinkers (rather than practitioners) have spent the past two years re-envisioning what the federal financial aid system should look like to best utilize the $86 billion the government provides each year in grants, loans and tax benefits -- and to build the case, ultimately, for increasing that investment.

The leaders of the Rethinking Student Aid panel have described their deliberations as an attempt to balance the philosophically desirable with the politically pragmatic, knowing that some things that might be ideal from an ivory tower perspective -- such as ending tax breaks for college because they do little to help increase access to college, for example -- would raise bloody hell from key constituents.

The plan they've developed, which was released to the public Thursday, does slay some sacred cows. It would not kill the aforementioned tax benefits (though it would consolidate them into a single tax credit), but it does call for significantly shrinking the number of federal student grant programs and, perhaps most controversially, urges the government to stop paying the interest on so-called subsidized loans while borrowers are in college -- recommendations that, when made previously, have greatly troubled some college officials and advocates for students.

But -- echoing arguments made by the Spellings Commission on the Future of Higher Education and many others in recent years -- the time has come for serious rethinking of the current financial aid system, say the lead authors of the report, Sandy Baum of the College Board and Michael McPherson of the Spencer Foundation, which funded the committee's work along with the Lumina Foundation for Education and the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation.

"It is just imperative that we invest effectively in more students achieving success through college," McPherson, Spencer's president, said during a telephone news briefing Thursday afternoon, conducted by the Hechinger Institute, to unveil "Fulfilling the Commitment: Recommendations for Reforming Federal Student Aid." "We need a student aid system that is simple, clear and puts the money in the hands of students who need it. We need to figure out how to get more bang from the buck, as well as how to get more bucks."

The panel's most significant recommendations for doing so, which taken together are aimed at simplifying the system and focusing on access to higher education for low-income students, include the following:

  • Simplifying the student aid application process by eliminating the Free Application for Federal Student Aid and obtaining all needed financial information from the Internal Revenue Service.
  • Basing Pell Grant awards wholly on family size and adjusted gross income (rather than other assets) and linking increases in the value of the maximum Pell Grant to annual changes in the Consumer Price Index. Families that receive "means-tested" public benefits would qualify automatically for Pell Grants. Other programs linked to the Pell Grant, like the recently established Academic Competitiveness, SMART and TEACH Grants, would be eliminated and the funds folded into Pell.
  • Combining all education tax credits and deductions into a single (nonrefundable) tax credit and allowing the credit to be used to cover college-related expenses other than tuition and fees.
  • Ending the in-school interest subsidy on student loans (which move would cost many individual students hundreds of dollars more in interest payments) and redirecting the billions saved from that toward helping students repay their loans, through an expanded income-based repayment program for student loans and a standard repayment system that tilts bigger payments toward later years, when most borrowers are earning more.
  • Establishing tax-free college savings accounts (into which the federal government would contribute each year) for children from low-income backgrounds whose financial circumstances would make them eligible for Pell Grants if they were of college age. The funds could be used only for postsecondary education but could be used at any point in life.
  • Creating block grants for colleges, based on the proportion of Pell-eligible students they enroll and retain to the second year, that provide "incentive" funds the institutions can use in a variety of ways to help low- and moderate-income students. Under the College Board panel's plan, the block grants would eventually replace the existing campus-based financial aid programs: Perkins Loans, Supplemental Educational Opportunity Grants, and Federal Work Study.

Not surprisingly, given the sweeping scope of the panel's plan and the controversial nature of some of its recommendations, reaction to the report was all over the map. The group won widespread credit for producing a thorough, thoughtful set of ideas -- "I was more impressed than I thought I'd be," said Charles Miller, who was chairman of the Spellings Commission -- and most of those interviewed predicted that the College Board study would help spur meaningful conversation about the widely recognized need to do something to fix the student aid system.

"Given the chaotic nature of federal student aid policy, it is refreshing to see a group of people who were willing to sit quietly, without creating a public spectacle, and think it through," said Barmak Nassirian, associate executive director of the American Association of Collegiate Registrars and Admissions Officers.

There were lots of details to pick apart, though, and few held back (including Nassirian, who criticized the panel for ignoring the issue of the need for tougher regulatory oversight of the federal aid programs). Somewhat predictably, some college officials and Democratic Congressional aides strongly opposed the suggested elimination of the in-school loan interest subsidy and of the campus-based aid programs, saying it would result in "robbing Peter to pay Paul," as one Senate aide put it. Others questioned the panel's silence on the skyrocketing cost of higher education and said they feared that some of its proposals would feed tuition inflation.

Dramatic calls for change like this one are likely to take some digesting (and cause some significant heartburn in the meantime), most observers agreed.

"There are some very bold ideas in here, and one of the things we're going to have to be patient about is bringing the higher education community along," said Donald Saleh, vice president of enrollment management at Syracuse University. Many of the programs in question have been around for decades, he said, and "the higher education community has learned to get comfortable with them. But I think most people, if they look carefully, realize this amalgam of programs doesn't really meet the needs of the 21st century children of our country, and of the country in general."

Time for Fresh Thinking

That view has been pretty widely embraced in recent years by growing numbers of researchers, policy makers and politicians, amid growing evidence -- most recently in a report released this week by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development -- that the United States is slipping (to 10th now among industrialized countries) in the proportion of young adults who attain some postsecondary education. While financing is only part of the problem, McPherson of the Spencer Foundation acknowledged Thursday, the fact that students from low-income families are so much less likely to enroll in college suggests that financing is a problem, and actual progress in simplifying the process of applying for financial aid and the financial aid structure itself has proven difficult to achieve.

To try to produce some movement, the College Board convened a group made up mostly of researchers and policy experts -- rather than financial aid practitioners or college lobbyists -- and asked them to put aside institutional interests and think creatively about what should be. "We wanted to look at this analytically," said Baum, a senior policy analyst at the College Board and one of the co-chairs. (The list of members appears at bottom.)

The panel's leaders say they spoke to dozens if not hundreds of college officials and other financial aid experts in conducting their analysis, particularly in the early stages of the two-year process, but they also kept their work very closely under wraps, which made the release of their report Thursday an eagerly (and in some circles nervously) awaited event.

Seven principles underscored the committee's work in re-envisioning the financial aid system:

  • The system should have as its main purpose helping those who are unlikely to meet their educational goals without financial help.
  • Federal grant aid, in combination with a reasonable amount of work and loans, should be adequate to make completion of a four-year degree financially possible for all qualified students.
  • Federal aid should be provided as clearly, transparently, and simply as possible. Communication with families and students about college opportunity should be early, proactive, encouraging, sustained and accurate.
  • Federal aid eligibility should be predictable. Individuals and families in given economic circumstances should be able to anticipate confidently the resources that will be available to meet their needs.
  • Programs should be oriented first and foremost to helping students. Concerns about the impact of policy changes on particular institutions such as colleges, banks, or government agencies should take second place.
  • Aid policies should be designed to help students not only to begin postsecondary education but also to succeed after they arrive.
  • Taxpayer funds should be used as efficiently as possible in advancing the principles set out above.

It'd be hard for most people in and around higher education to argue about those principles, but that does not ensure coalescence around policy ideas that might, at least in the eyes of one set of 13 financial aid experts, logically flow from the principles. Take its recommendations about "simplification," for instance.

There was general consensus about the wisdom of the panel's call for eliminating the federal financial aid form, whose "daunting complexity," as the College Board report calls it -- and its novella-like length -- has made it a favorite prop of Education Secretary Margaret Spellings when she wants to illustrate the "broken" financial aid system.

The Rethinking Student Aid panel argues that all of the information the federal government needs to award Pell Grants could be garnered from tax forms filed with the IRS, and that eligibility should be based solely on the applicant's (or his or her parents') adjusted gross income and family size. (Under the plan, the Education Department and the IRS would work together to give states and individual colleges the additional financial and demographic information they might need to determine whether individual applicants qualify for need-based state and institutional financial aid.)

But stripping down the information used to determine a student's eligibility for federal aid will make some financial aid officers nervous because it will inevitably mean that some taxpayers with low incomes but potentially significant assets (houses, etc.) might qualify for aid, said Saleh of Syracuse. Despite that "pushback," he said, "the gain we get out of this, of inspiring children and breaking down access barriers, is way more of a gain than what we would lose by having some small number of dollars go to less needy students."

(A Senate aide also pointed out that the Treasury Department, and the Congressional Joint Committee on Taxation, have in the past opposed the idea of the IRS sharing tax information with the Education Department.)

While most financial aid experts like the idea of "simplification," in theory, they tend to favor simplifying the process of applying for financial aid much more than the other part of the equation -- streamlining the number of financial aid programs from which they can draw.

The College Board's panel would shrink the existing array of federal tax breaks for college (the Hope and Lifelong Learning tax credits and a tax deduction) to one tax credit that would cover the whole cost of attendance for degree- and certificate-seeking students. That suggestion, which is one of the parts of the panel's package that is designed to ensure continued meaningful federal benefits for the politically important category of middle-income students, is relatively noncontroversial.

But the same cannot be said of the other programs that would eventually disappear under the Rethinking Student Aid report. The panel's Pell Grant proposal suggests eliminating the "add-on" programs that Congress has adopted in recent years, including those designed to draw more low-income students into science, mathematics, and teaching, and while many college officials are lukewarm about those programs, they have significant support among their advocates in Congress.

And officials at private nonprofit colleges, especially, consistently and aggressively oppose efforts (undertaken annually by the Bush administration) to eliminate the Perkins and SEOG programs, which are designed to supplement Pell Grants for some low- and moderate-income students. But under the Rethinking Student Aid panel's plan, those programs would eventually be replaced by the "block grants" it proposes creating to reward colleges and universities that enroll significant numbers of Pell Grant-eligible students and ensure that they succeed academically.

Colleges would receive funds (which they could use for a wide range of student-related purposes) proportional to the number of low-income students they enroll and the number of those who progress past the first year of study, creating a program that is "new, more generous [and] better-targeted toward needy students than the current campus-based grants are," the panel's report says.

Such a change would provide significantly more support to public two- and four-year colleges and quite a bit less to four-year private institutions, which receive 46 percent of the current campus-based grant funds (which are based in large part on historical formulas) and would receive about half that under the panel's recommendation.

The panel's reassurance that individual colleges should receive at least as much money as they do now while the block grant idea is being "piloted and tested" did little to blunt criticism of the idea. "We're all for creating incentives for schools to increase graduation rates, but not in place of the existing campus-based programs," said a U.S. Senate aide who asked not to be identified. "These are programs that have a huge impact, and we would protect them and the other programs that the report calls for eliminating. These other programs are there for a purpose."

Terry W. Hartle, senior vice president for government and public affairs at the American Council on Education, said that giving up existing programs for block grants tends to turn out badly for recipients of federal funds. "There is a long history of exchanging categorical programs for block grants, and the bottom line is that the block grant almost always goes away," he said.

The panel's leaders said the cost projections they developed showed that a version of their plan could be put in place by redistributing what the federal government now spends on student financial aid, but that the changes could be more effectively achieved if the government significantly increased its spending on helping students.

The most controversial proposal in the College Board report is its call to eliminate the in-school interest subsidy. The U.S. government now covers the interest on federal loans while many low- and moderate-income students are enrolled in college, but those subsidies are based on a family's ability to pay tuition at whichever college their student attends, which means that less-needy students can qualify for the subsidies if they attend an expensive college. "A significant proportion [of subsidized loans] are going to people who would never qualify for them if they didn't go to expensive private colleges," Baum said.

The panel calls for eliminating the subsidy -- which costs the government about $8 billion a year -- and instead expanding financial support to help borrowers repay their loans, both by strengthening the recently enacted Income-Based Repayment option for federal loans and by letting all borrowers repay their loans using a "graduated payment" model instead of the current system of consistent monthly payments that start upon graduation. "We want to strengthen the program to ensure that no students who borrow from the federal government to pay for undergraduate education will ever be required to pay back more than 15 percent of their discretionary income in any year," the report says.

Few ideas have generated as much of a firestorm in higher education policy as when Congressional Republicans, as part of the Contract With America in 1994, called for eliminating the in-school interest subsidy, and the suggestion would certainly face significant opposition this time around, too, since it would increase the costs of federal loans to most student borrowers, several college officials noted Thursday.

Perhaps the freshest idea among the committee's many suggestions is the proposal to create a federal savings program for low-income families that mirrors the 529 savings plans that Congress created for middle- and upper-class families more than a decade ago. The government would not actually provide money to a student until he or she actually enrolled in college, but as in the Social Security program, it would commit funds each year (starting at 5, 12 or some other age) based on a proportion of the Pell Grant amounts the student would qualify for, and the money would accumulate interest tax-free.

"Telling a low-income family that some money has been put aside in an account sends a much stronger signal than telling them 'there's a program you can apply to,' " said Robert Shireman, president of the Institute for College Access and Success. "Money in the bank, when the child is in middle school and still has high aspirations, will help parents and students to plan and prepare both financially and academically."

Despite his overall praise for the panel's report, the savings program struck Miller, the former Spellings Commission chairman, as a "terrible" idea. "This is a new, unfunded entitlement with all the bad problems associated with other entitlements, which we see squeezing the federal budget -- and even higher education spending -- right now," he said.

Through a spokeswoman, Miller's former boss, Secretary Spellings, welcomed the College Board report and noted that her department has its own "team of people working diligently on these issues." "I can assure you," said Samara Yudof, the spokeswoman, that "the secretary will continue to promote and work toward simplifying the financial aid system until the day she leaves office and likely beyond."

In addition to Baum and McPherson, the other members of the College Board panel are:

  • Tom Bailey, George & Abby O’Neill Professor of Economics and Education and director of the Community College Research Center, Teachers College, Columbia University
  • Steven Brooks, executive director, North Carolina State Education Assistance Authority
  • Charles Clotfelter, professor of public policy studies, economics, and law, Duke University
  • Susan Dynarski, associate professor of public policy, Gerald R. Ford School of Public Policy and Associate Professor of Education, University of Michigan
  • Ronald Ehrenberg, Irving M. Ives Professor of Industrial and Labor Relations and Economics, and director, Cornell Higher Education Research Institute
  • Carl Kaestle, professor of education, Brown University
  • Tom Kane, professor of education and economics, Harvard Graduate School of Education
  • Bridget Terry Long, associate professor, Harvard Graduate School of Education
  • Marshall (Mike) Smith, education program director, William and Flora Hewlett Foundation
  • William Troutt, president, Rhodes College
  • Jane Wellman, executive director, Delta Cost Project
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Comments on Rethinking Student Aid, Radically

  • Student Loan Industry
  • Posted by Carol on September 19, 2008 at 8:15am EDT
  • This is an informative article from the point of view of everyone but students -- can we get a story on Student Loans that gives students some agency?

  • 'Interest'-ing pain and parity among institutional access
  • Posted by In'debted' grad student on September 19, 2008 at 8:20am EDT
  • I am a returning adult student who, after a nearly 20-year hiatus, came back to the classroom in 2002 to finish an undergrad degree. Upon receipt of my B.A. in 2004, I began part-time pursuit of master's degree in one field and then concurrently started working on a Ph.D. in another department as I was finishing up the M.S. requirements.

    Given my family and educational background (a foster child from age 15 until high school graduation and first-generation college student), 'planned' funding for my academic journey has been limited. Thus, over the years, I have accumulated nearly $100,000 in student loan debt, about half of which has been subsidized.

    A few years ago, when the interest rate was readying to jump from approximately 3% to around 8.5%, I almost consolidated the student loan debt I had compiled to date, but then realized I would need to start making payments immediately, and with my continued status as a student, that option seemed unfeasible.

    I am a doctoral student in educational leadership and policy analysis, so my coursework has covered issues pertaining to higher education funding and student aid, and I am quite aware that there are huge problems in creating access to education as well as parity of distribution of resources among institutions as well as students.

    I have two key concerns with the proposed changes. Based on what I disclosed at the start of this post, obviously one of the concerns has to do with the cancellation of the interest subsidy. The other has to do with the re-allocation of funding with its proposed shift to be more towards students attending public institutions versus those who are interested in private schools.

    While I, personally, have been a public university student at all times, I am quite familiar with students who have chosen to attend small, private, liberal arts colleges. With their typically small endowments, these private schools often struggle to make access possible for students from meager financial means, and the federal financial aid programs offer a necessary safety net and access point for the lower income students.

    Although this is my final year of 'coursework' and, according to my institution's financial aid policies, also the final year of my student loan eligibility (appealable), I am quite trepidatious about the component of the proposed plan which calls for cessation of the government subsidized interest payments. I have few reasons to not believe that my income post-doctoral completion will afford me the means to pay my student loan debt, but there is that worry. If my interest starts compounding on all my loans, with me being responsible for paying it and not reaping the benefits of the government's subsidy, I suspect I will be hurting in a big way as will students whose experiences reflect mine (or are even worse), especially if interest rates stay at 8.5%.

    If the loan subsidy-ending part of the proposal moves forward, I would argue that it would be in the best interest of students to not only have access to the graduated repayment plan, but to also have the interest lock in at a much lower rate.

    I would also encourage those who will be making the public versus private allocation decision to be mindful that not all institutions are created equal. Diversity of all sorts makes the educational experience richer for everyone, and for schools who will suffer because their student bodies will not reflect such diversity due to access issues attributable to lack of funding, our society will suffer as well.

  • Posted by Rick Shipman on September 19, 2008 at 8:26am EDT
  • Early in 2006, a group of almost 100 student financial aid administrators met for a day and a half to discuss the "ideal" student loan program. It is heartening to see that the results of this intensive 2 year review by the College Board Rethinking Student Aid Task Force are nearly identical to those of our group in the area of student loans. A popular phrase is "Stop the Insanity" and we believe that allowing a student to borrow as much as they need from a single federal loan program is the only way to stop the current insanity that confuses students and parents and adds work to an already overburdened institutional aid office. Maybe the backing of College Board on this issue will provide the attention needed to Stop the Insanity.

  • Posted by Ken Fridsma , retired at Grand Valley State University on September 19, 2008 at 9:20am EDT
  • As a retired Director of Financial Aid, I could not agree more with most of the panels ideas. It would do more for helping poor kids get to college than the present system for sure. I have long advocated the elimination of the interest subsidies on federal student loans. I have also believed that all those "targeted" programs (ACG, Teach Grants, etc.) and all those loan forgiveness programs to entice more students to go into math, science, etc., are not effective. If you wanted to entice more teachers to seek employment in inner city schools, give those schools special federal money to provide bonuses or higher pay at the time those college graduates are looking for employment. Simplication of the application process is necessary and again I have suggested using the IRS system since they already collect the data necessary to do need analysis. And I like the idea of providing block grants to colleges in place of the current campus based system. I think the colleges themselves know their students best and can target those block grant funds to the students who need it the most. So I applaud these suggestions and would only hope that the politicians would jump on the band wagon. The only problem I see is that our economy and the federal deficit hinders any movement toward spending more on education. But then if the government can bail out investment bankers, the auto industry, the sub-prime mess, etc., they should be able to invest in the future of our society.

  • Posted by Richard Jerue , President at The Art Institute of Charleston on September 19, 2008 at 9:25am EDT
  • I know many of the panel members, and they are all respectable, professional individuals. But the one thing that always amazes me about panels such as this is its inability to time its work in a way that might impact federal policy. Congress has just reauthorized the student aid programs, and by the time it gets around to looking at them again this report will have had several years to sit on the shelf and gather dust. Also, these reports are rich research documents, but they operate outside the world of politics and political reality. I commend the panel members for taking on hard, important issues, but as someone who has been through these battles before, I fear this panel will not have much impact at all.

  • Doing Away with the FWSP
  • Posted by Annmarie on September 19, 2008 at 9:50am EDT
  • I think it would be a shame to do away with the Federal Work Study Program. SEOG and Perkins can be blended into other grant and loan programs, but the FWSP is a unique program and very cost effective. I'm for whatever is best for students but I don't think enough thought was put into that particular program in this study.

  • IRS data = bad idea
  • Posted by justaguy , parent & taxpayer on September 19, 2008 at 12:05pm EDT
  • I don't believe that simplicity and convenience are adequate arguments for accessing individual tax data from the IRS, and they way the panel proposes getting this information is basically by pointing a gun to the head of those with financial need and saying, "sign the release." Furthermore the CB report indicates a much larger intrusion: they want three years of tax data from the IRS.

    "Using three years of income is not practical when students and parents supply financial information on the FAFSA, but the IRS can easily supply the data."

    Yes, the IRS has lots of data on lots of people, but great discretion needs to be used when using this information for non-tax purposes. How many people will forego applying for financial aid because they don't want their tax data accessed - for whatever reason - by anyone? The report does not address that.

  • Whoa.
  • Posted by Jim Johnson on September 19, 2008 at 12:45pm EDT
  • IRS data? Excuse me -- I thought the IRS could only provide data under court order.

    Perhaps CB meant that students and parents have to provide three years of tax returns. That would be, in line with other lenders.

  • Unify Federal Loan Programs
  • Posted by Shelley Saunders , Vice President, Strategic Services at American Student Assistance on September 19, 2008 at 1:05pm EDT
  • Unify Our Federal Loan Programs

    As the Rethinking Federal Student Aid study points out, there’s clearly a growing appetite for student loan reform among the public, policymakers and aid administrators alike. Now is the time to examine a new proposal, available at www.amsa.com/policy, for a single, robust, neutral student loan program – one that uses both private lenders and the federal government as sources of capital, and makes debt management its cornerstone. Such a program would harness efficient standardization, competitive borrower benefits, taxpayer-cost effectiveness and true consumer choice. To return the federal loan program to its primary mission, we must move from the Federal Family Education Loan Program vs. Direct Lending to FFELP and DL.

  • Tear it down and start over
  • Posted by DS on September 19, 2008 at 1:25pm EDT
  • Hurray for those who worked on this report. I don't agree with all of it, but I like much of it. It's time to get away from the mountain of data collected on the FAFSA and the parade of different programs. Families don't understand the process, it's too opaque, it's overly reliant on a single snapshot of the family's financial situation, and we're the only country in the world that makes paying for college nearly this complicated (of course, we're the only country that makes it this expensive too).

    The adjusted gross income-only proposal needs a corresponding call for tax reform that does away with the million and one ways for rich people to hide their money from the IRS (haven't had time to read the whole report yet, maybe it's in there). That way we wouldn't see aid being wasted on those who don't need it.

    And states need to look at the way they do things too, because many of them only add to the complexity and confusion.

  • IRS Data
  • Posted by R.F. on September 19, 2008 at 2:15pm EDT
  • I would like to second DS comments. The savings fund set aside for poor students is a novel idea.

    As far as tax data and how it is used. Court order is not the only way, and I am not quite sure how a gun is being held to someones head...when it is the individual taxpayer who would be electing to tell the IRS to share the data, which is what a checkoff on a 1040 form would be.

    Further, it is my experience as an FAO and as a tax preparer, that if someone is objecting to sharing data, it is usually because they are afraid of what might be found there, legal or illegal.

  • Let's Address the Cost of Higher Ed First
  • Posted by M Gruver on September 19, 2008 at 3:20pm EDT
  • It is all well and good to address Financial Aid to student, however we are missing the essential point. Why are parents and students not rising up to attack the breathtaking rise in the cost of Higher Education? This is the core of the problem. We have allowed Colleges, Universities and Financial Institutions to burden our children with crushing debt decades into the future on the hope of achieving prosperity through Higher Ed. When you actually analyze what that money goes to fund, in terms of unnecessary assets and University and staggering salaries for executies of Sallie Mae and other institutions who finance debt of these students, we see a pattern of greed by corporations and gross mismanagement by College Executives and Trustees of the public trust.
    This is the real issue! This is where we as parents need to focus our political voice! Join the revolution. Viva la hente!

  • Posted by huw on September 19, 2008 at 3:55pm EDT
  • hey, they forgot to put an actual poor person on the panel. Maybe poor students
    can't actually think about what's good for
    them. The usual nonsense!

  • Inconvenient facts
  • Posted by Jim Johnson on September 19, 2008 at 8:25pm EDT
  • " .. who would be electing to tell the IRS to share the data, which is what a checkoff on a 1040 form would be .."

    Big problem. That's not being done now. One thing -- check off for presidential campaign donations. Sharing data, among thousands of entities, portends to be one big FUBAR. (Think Fannie/Freddie, Katrina, Vietnam.)

    " .. if someone is objecting to sharing data, it is usually because they are afraid of what might be found there, legal or illegal."

    Again -- IMO, what CB wants is voluntary submittal of tax returns by applicants. Even commercial banks can't get data from the IRS easily -- they rely on info from applicants.

    And BTW: those IRS tax returns are signed/sworn documents -- abuse of which are federal felonies and/or civil penalties.

  • Separate tuition from living costs
  • Posted by Gavin Moodie , Principal Policy Adviser at Griffith University, Australia on September 19, 2008 at 8:25pm EDT
  • Student financial aid could be made more affordable to government by separating aid for tuition from aid for living costs and concentrating on aid for tuition. This would reduce the proportion of students living in residence, but that may be preferable to reducing the proportion of low income students proceeding to college.

  • Lets make a trade
  • Posted by mike on September 20, 2008 at 5:15am EDT
  • Lets give the poor free money for college that can only be used for college and take away affirmative action. This is a trade many would be willing to make...especially the critics of this plan.

  • Reading Comprehension
  • Posted by R.F. on September 20, 2008 at 1:40pm EDT
  • Are we are reading the same article? The purpose of the article was to present the PROPOSAL for discussion. Of course, it is not happening now, but it could and should.

    "Big problem. That’s not being done now. One thing — check off for presidential campaign donations. Sharing data, among thousands of entities, portends to be one big FUBAR. (Think Fannie/Freddie, Katrina, Vietnam.)"

    I agree it is a big problem that it is NOT being done now! There really is no good reason to delay any longer. As far as thousands of entities...wrong! Only the IRS and the FAFSA processor needs to see the data. All of the colleges that currently get the information would not necessarily need it any longer.

    So you are saying the checkoff on the tax return for presidential campaign elections is the cause of Fannie/Freddie, Katrina, Vietnam??? What???

    "Again — IMO, what CB wants is voluntary submittal of tax returns by applicants. Even commercial banks can’t get data from the IRS easily — they rely on info from applicants.
    And BTW: those IRS tax returns are signed/sworn documents — abuse of which are federal felonies and/or civil penalties."

    You have missed the point: with electronic data being provided only after the tax payer elects for it to be shared, there would be no reason for the fafsa processor or the college FA office to have a copy of the parents or students tax forms. Potential abuse would be diminished, not increased.

  • Reality bites -- again
  • Posted by Jim Johnson on September 21, 2008 at 12:20am EDT
  • " .. Of course, it is not happening now, but it could and should .. potential abuse would be diminished, not increased."

    Uh .. consider reality -- "Weaknesses found in IRS computer system: Confidential taxpayer information vulnerable to hacking and theft"

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23995825/

    Easy for those above the fray to simplify a solution -- "we'll just create di-lithum crystals!" Only approximately 100,000% harder -- hands-on. With the taxpayers paying the bill.

    Heck -- a simple solution would be to have applicant tax returns submitted as secured non-printing PDFs with the college's ID as a watermark. Tax preparation firms could make it part of their processing.

    Would sure beat a taxpayer-funded $5,000,000,000.00 IRS system upgrade. Just look what all the smart Harvard ideas did at Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac -- what an excellent outcome.

  • physician heal thyself
  • Posted by finaidfollies on September 21, 2008 at 12:20am EDT
  • Three years' income information required to apply for aid? Would that the calcs for cohort default rates were so strict.

  • Reality bites — again and again
  • Posted by R.F. on September 22, 2008 at 1:00pm EDT
  • Yes, of course, why did I not think of that. Private firms are the amswer, because...they never have their data hacked, nor do they cost tax payers $5,000,000,000,000...like AIG,Lehman Bros, Fannie, Freddie, Indymac, Bear Stearns et al.

    Of course the brilliant strategem of adding another middle man...the private tax preparer, will certainly help to uncomplicate reality.

    Right on Jimmie Boy.

  • about that tax information...
  • Posted by Robert on September 23, 2008 at 9:55am EDT
  • Anyone currently applying for federal financial aid is already required to submit tax information from the previous tax year. The feds then require the schools in turn to require the tax returns from around 30% of the aid applicants. The school must then compare the tax return to the numbers submitted on the application (and correct it if there are discrepancies). This is known in financial aid land as "Verification" and it's one of the things that aid offices spend a great deal of time and resources better spent elsewhere doing.

    Now, does it make any sense that the feds require schools to verify the tax information submitted on a federal aid application when the feds themselves obviously already have that tax information?

    Hint: no, it doesn't. The feds have simply foisted the burden of insuring the accuracy of financial aid applications on the schools rather than go through the trouble of having the Treasury Department and Education Department play nice with each other.

  • Financial Aid System
  • Posted by Jean , College Registrar on September 26, 2008 at 9:05am EDT
  • Restructuring financial aid for college students is long overdue. Twenty years of working in higher education has shown me how wasteful and ripe for abuse the current system is. Each semester I watch students get grants and loans who never accomplish anything - except maybe a trip to Mexico or a new motorcycle.

    In addition, it is one more time that the lower middle to upper middle income class population shoulders the burden of attending college. They want to better their education but do not earn enough money to pay
    tuition and earn too much to qualify for grants.