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September 22, 2008

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The day after Lehman Brothers filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection and the Dow Jones Industrial Average fell by more than 500 points, concerned students crammed a University of Pennsylvania auditorium to hear some of the Wharton School’s leading professors discuss the long-term impact of the recent shakeups on Wall Street.

“I think it’s worth going over a few numbers just to understand how we got in a situation so dire that a couple of firms that survived the Great Depression couldn’t survive a credit crisis and a housing market collapse,” lectured Joseph Gyourko, Wharton professor of real estate and finance, noting that most people would likely consider the 1929 stock market crash a much greater disaster than the present situation.

Though some students were concerned about just how American financial markets fell into such a state of turmoil, more worried about their potentially diminished job prospects after graduating from one of the country's top business schools. Wharton, Columbia and other top-ranked business schools have often been key feeders for leading financial institutions such as Lehman and Merrill Lynch. Some market watchers anticipate that the recent upheaval on Wall Street might adversely affect these traditionally highly rated and prestigious institutions most. Forecasts for the future of the financial services job market were mixed at the “teach-in” with most advocating a cautious wait-and-see approach. At least one professor, however, was optimistic.

“We‘re doing the type of reorganization that is necessary, and we’re going to get healthier as a result of this,” said Jeremy Seigel, Wharton professor of finance, to some applause. “These financial service jobs are going to grow.”

The previous day, another top business school known for its close ties to Wall Street hosted a similar event. Fresh off the bankruptcy news about Lehman and the weekend announcement that Merrill Lynch was to be acquired by Bank of America, the Columbia Business School held its annual presentation “A Day in the Life of an Investment Bank.” Regina Resnick, managing director of the business school’s career management center, said she was surprised that 20 of the 21 investment banks invited to speak that evening came on such a tumultuous day. Only the representatives from Lehman did not appear. For a purely educational event without formal recruitment, she said this was quite a showing. Though Resnick called the timing of the event “a little bit dubious” – it had been scheduled for weeks -- she said the event was a “great learning experience” for student job seekers.

In the past week, some business school professors have only had to look as far as the day’s front-page headlines to find teachable moments. David Beim, Columbia professor of professional practice, said he has been departing from his syllabus frequently. He added that he often has to force himself to instruct the material he has scheduled in spite of immense student interest in the current financial crisis, his personal take on it and any historical perspective.

“I just rip and read from the newspapers,” said Beim of his pre-class lectures on current events, especially after last week’s announcement that the Federal Reserve would rescue the American International Group. “I never thought I’d live to see the day that the U.S. government would take over the world’s largest insurance company. I tell my students, when you’re in a boom and people are throwing money in the air, that they should learn to step back and get some perspective. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. I compare it to recreational drugs. It’s dangerous for you. You have to learn to just say no.”

In addition to working the day’s financial headlines into his curriculum, Beim said he has also been recommending that his students read a number of 19th century works on economic bubbles and the herd mentality. He added that works such as Charles Mackay’s “Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds” illustrate the continuity of today’s financial difficulties and the irrationality of man throughout the history of the marketplace. Beim said that giving career counseling and advice to students is an ever-present part of his job, particularly in this uneasy market.

Some business school students are even taking the news of financial hardships in stride, remarking on their excitement to be in the classroom at a time when there is much to learn from the successes and failures of others.

“I think the general feeling on campus is not what many would expect,” said Rohit Chopra, second-year MBA student at Wharton. “There is not a feeling of doom and gloom but a feeling of cautious optimism. I’m happy to be at an institution like this at a time like this. The conversations have been really rich in the classroom. From a learning point of view, I think I understand better what the options are on the table, why this is happening and what the implications are for the future.”

Rohit, who is the career development chair for a student-led career advisory board, said his organization and the school’s career management office have been instrumental in responding to the recent concerns of job-seeking students. Recognizing the slowdown of American markets, he said, the school has put more of a focus on programming for those seeking jobs in emerging financial markets around the world. In addition to the broadened international focus of career services, Rohit said, students interested in traditional fields, such as investment banking, are now broadening their career searches.

“There will be some jobs on Wall Street,” said Patricia Rose, director of career services at Pennsylvania who also works with Wharton undergraduates. “It’s not as if financial services are going to turn their backs on graduates. Still, if students feel that they want to work in financial services, we inform them that there are a range of opportunities. Clearly, we’ve been saying that fewer people will be hired on Wall Street this year. We think they should explore other options.”

About 30 percent of Pennsylvania undergraduates -- not just those enrolled in Wharton -- take jobs on Wall Street each year, Rose said, noting that a large number of those students work for large commercial and investment banks. She added that career services has been especially counseling seniors, many of whom returned to college this fall with job offers from financial organizations after interning for the summer. Many of these students, she said, are concerned about accepting offers from companies they see in a state of flux. Recently, a number of financial services groups have cut back their recruiting schedules at Wharton, Rose said.

At the Columbia Business School -- where greater than 50 percent of its 2007 graduating class went to work in the financial services sector – the career management center is taking the same one-on-one approach to student counseling. Special consideration and attention is being given to students who had either held summer internships at or received job offers from Lehman and Merrill Lynch, Resnick said. In 2007, Lehman was both one of the top employers and internship providers at the school, with 13 and 22 recruits respectively. Merrill Lynch also hired 14 2007 graduates and hosted 17 interns. Both companies are also among the school’s top corporate partners. Resnick said she has been answering a number of questions from students concerned about the marketplace and the certainty of their job offers. In addition, she said, her office also has meetings scheduled with the investment banking and sales and trading clubs in which it will outline viable alternatives to careers in those respective fields.

Most of the career service programs at the institution, however, have not been affected by the recent market chaos.

“The fundamentals of career management don’t change with the market,” said Resnick, noting that skills like interviewing well and crafting an excellent resume do not go out of style. “We offer a thoughtful approach to all of the good principles we’ve been working with students to apply. I remain guardedly optimistic.”

Both Wharton and the Columbia Business Schools have extended some of the career service resources available to current students to recent alumni, some of whom may have only been working at troubled financial institutions for a matter of months. It is in the best interest of the institutions, officials from both programs say, to ensure that alumni are given proper counseling and assistance as needed.

“This is probably the most amazing week that I have seen in my 25 years in this business,” Rose said. “That said, we’ve seen all kinds of things. We’ve seen companies acquired and companies go bankrupt. Still, to have so many things affect students and alumni is unprecedented. I think we all hope the economy improves."

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Comments on Did My Job Disappear?

  • Of course not
  • Posted by L.L. on September 22, 2008 at 6:40am EDT
  • They could go into journalism, like Michael Lewis. Conditions are better there, right?

    Or academia? Look at all the print editors who are teaching now. And all the nice, positive people who work there.

  • Business schools
  • Posted by feudi pandola on September 22, 2008 at 8:50am EDT
  • As kids my mother used to say to us: "Tell the truth and shame the devil". The sad truth is that America would not be in this fix if the business schools like Harvard, Wharton, et. al., had been doing their jobs.
    The graduates of these schools are the same folks who end up running the FASB, the GASB, the IASB, the SEC, Treasury, Commerce, and the AICPA....in short, all of the institutions that were supposed to safeguard the public from debacles such as we are now witnessing.

    The first thing the B schools should for their grads is to educate them on the real technical reasons behind this mess. First and foremost, the FASB should ban all "off balance sheet" transactions. Period!

    Incredibly, the Fannie and Freddie deal was done as yet another off balance sheet transaction. This business practice is one of the main reasons our markets are in turmoil. Hey, maybe all of these new B school grads can become the regulators that police their older brothers and sisters!

  • tales of credential inflation and credential collapse
  • Posted by Glen S. McGhee at FHEAP on September 22, 2008 at 9:45am EDT
  • It would be more relevant, I think, to remind everyone, including administrators and profs, that over the very long-term (I'm talking centuries here), higher education has gone through boom or bust cycles, especially those institutions grooming students for elite positions (see link below).

    England's Court of Inns, for the legal profession, went into a major period of decline, and was itself the beneficiary of earlier declines at Oxbridge. Chinese and Japanese history is full of tales of credential inflation, and credential collapse.

    It's not just the history of financial markets and institutions that we need to better understand, its the mechanics of degree inflation and credentialism in higher education.

  • Inconvenient truth
  • Posted by L.L. on September 22, 2008 at 10:20am EDT
  • " .. The sad truth is that America would not be in this fix if the business schools like Harvard, Wharton, et. al., had been doing their jobs .."

    Excuse me -- what about all the sub-prime mortgages that were given (literally) to those who clearly could not afford them?

    There's a simple rule in business -- customers either pay their bills, or the business is bankrupted. That is what happened -- people with moderate incomes were allowed to buy houses, far in excess of the capacity to repay (e.g., moral hazard).

    It is one thing for a person making $35,000 to buy a $110,000 house. It is very much another when that house is $280,000 and the mortgage is granted without certified income verification.

    There's plenty of blame in this, both Democrats and Republicans. But again -- if customers do not pay their bills -- bankruptcy. No amount of talking will fix that.

    Cannot make this any simpler and direct that this.

  • Finance majors and home mortgages
  • Posted by feudi pandola on September 22, 2008 at 10:40am EDT
  • LL stated that the reason for the financial mess is because people are simply not paying their mortgages. That is surely true. But my point is that they should never have been given those mortgages. They were provided mortgages carte blanche by people who should have known better. Anyone who has tried to read the closing documents for a real estate transaction knows full well that they are deliberately written to be indecipherable by the average layman with no financial background. Yes, there is plenty of blame to go around and yes, some borrowers knew full well that they would no t be able to pay these notes down the road. But the fact remains that the lenders DID know what the game was and they continued giving out loans just to get the commissions and lender fees. In many cases, they then sold these bad notes down the line to get them off their books. End result...U.S. taxpayers are about to "buy" $700 Billion in bad debts!

    Gimme a break!

  • The business finance cycle(s)
  • Posted by KED , College President on September 22, 2008 at 4:10pm EDT
  • Glen S. McGhee has got it right. The financial markets regularly go through boom and bust periods. I was at NYU in 1987 on Black Tuesday (at least I think it was a Tuesday in 1987...) when the market fell 20% in one day. We're nowhere near that level of turmoil (yet) but everyone was yelling that the sky was falling then too. I knew many fellow students in the MBA programs at the time. While there was a temporary dip in the hiring market, those jobs all came back within a couple of years.

    My advice is go travel the world like Tom Friedman, if journalism is an interest, or teach abroad for a year like my nephew who is a recent college graduate into a down job market. The experience will make you more valuable to any business than the year on Wall Street you'll miss. Just ask Tom Friedman (or read his new book).

    In referring to travel primarily, Mark Twain said "never let school get in the way of your education!" In this case, don't let school or the stock market get in the way of your education.

  • Point of order
  • Posted by L.L. on September 22, 2008 at 5:45pm EDT
  • " .. My advice is go travel the world like Tom Friedman .."

    Easier said than done? Examine this Wikipedia entry (cross-checked against other sources):

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Friedman

    A case of "some guys have all the luck .." ?

    Now, about MBA lenders: let's not forget the compensation paid Fannie Mae's top bureaucrats -- Franklin Raines, the former Clinton staff chief ($92 million over five years) and Jamie Gorelick, the former Clinton legal counsel ($26 million over four years -- no previous banking experience). Also the commission-based mortgage brokers without college degrees who were $500,000/year, to "close the deal." Lot of dirty hands in this.

  • the crux of the problem
  • Posted by namerequired on September 23, 2008 at 5:45pm EDT
  • Our money system works this way: someone who has money pays someone who needs money to do a job that in the end makes them richer.

    When the US was founded, money worked a different way:

    PRODUCERS created money whenever they made something of value. They didn't go to a bank for a loan. They created something, and then the medium for exchange (money) was created with it. They put their produced item or service on the market, got their ticket, and spent the ticket on something they needed.

    This took money out of the hands of people who hoard it, and put it in the hands of those willing to work. The country never saw greater prosperity.

    Today, money is literally created as debt. It is loaned into existence by banks, the biggest being the Federal Reserve. Is it any surprise then that we are in debt, when money itself represents a loan with interest?

    Something all of us could do well to think about...

    “The process by which banks create money is so simple that the mind is repelled.” - John Kenneth Galbraith, Money: Whence it came, Where it Went, page 29.

    “The bank hath benefit of interest on moneys which it creates out of nothing.” - William Patterson, Founder of the Bank of England, 1694

    “Thus, our national circulating medium is now at the mercy of loan transactions of banks, which lend, not money, but promises to supply money they do not possess.” - Irving Fisher, U.S. Economist

    “I am afraid that ordinary citizens will not like to be told that the banks can, and do, create and destroy money, and they who control the credit of the nation direct the policy of governments.” -Reginald McKenna, Chairman of Midland Bank of London

    “Banks lend by creating credit. They create the means of payment out of nothing.” - Ralph M. Hawtery, Former Secretary of the British Treasury

    “The modern banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented.” - Major L. L. B. Angus

    “Commercial banks create checkbook money whenever they grant a loan, simply by adding new deposit dollars in accounts on their books in exchange for a borrower's IOU.” - Modern Money Mechanics, Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, page 19.

    “By a continuing process of inflation, the banks can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, the wealth of citizens, and not one man in a million will detect the theft.” - John Maynard Keynes, Father of “Keynesian Economics”

    “The commercial banks and the Federal Reserve create all the money of this nation, and its people pay interest on every dollar of that newly created money. Private banks exercise unconstitutionally, immorally, and ridiculously, the power to tax the people, for every newly created dollar dilutes to some extent the value of every other dollar already in circulation.” - U.S. Congressman Jerry Voorhis

    “When you or I write a check there must be sufficient funds in our account to cover the check, but when the Federal Reserve writes a check there is no bank deposit on which that check is drawn. When the Federal Reserve writes a check, it is creating money.” - Putting it Simply, Boston Federal Reserve Bank

  • How to think clearly
  • Posted by Bobby on September 23, 2008 at 5:52pm EDT
  • Why yes,Mr.and Ms. University students, your job probably did disappear. Now, please don't fall into the trap of blaming one or the other major political party. The Democ-(rats) and Republi-(cons) are both to blame. They have and are continuing to betray Americans on many levels. They are importing foreign workers at every level to take your jobs, they are allowing massive wage depression and a foreign culture from Mexico, mainly, to take away your culture, they are allowing foreign nations to tell America what to do. Now you can go and discuss this stuff with your liberal Philosophy or sociology teachers, who have been brainwashing you, or your conservative economics professors, who have been brainwashing you. Start thinking for yourselves for a change, isn't that what a university education is really supposed to be about?

  • why its coming down
  • Posted by jesse on September 23, 2008 at 7:45pm EDT
  • Can you say derivatives? A currency based on debt? fractional reserve banking? Congress deregulating everything? 1913? breton woods? And we are trying to blame some poor schmo who fell into the fly trap? This was designed on purpose. There is a quadrillion dollars worth of derivatives out there, a giant black hole made for us to fall into. The answer: Bail out wall street and leave main street in the dust. Lehman bros. ceo made 17, 000 dollars/hour last year, does that seem fair? Goldman sachs to benefit most from potential bailout... guess who ran goldman sachs? sr. paulson... big surprise? Hold on to your seats folks, this is gonna get messy.