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A Tale of Two GI Bills

The new Post-9/11 GI Bill, signed into law this summer, marks a major investment in veterans’ educational benefits.

It’s also an undeniably complex piece of legislation.

Complicating matters further, the peacetime Montgomery GI Bill already in existence isn’t going off the books — and in fact has been enhanced, the benefits boosted this year by 20 percent.

“What we have here is a situation where the Post-9/11 GI Bill did not replace all the other education programs we already administer. It was just simply another layer” — albeit a mammoth one — says Keith M. Wilson, director of the education service at the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs.

“In one respect they complement one another, but the challenge is administering. And by administering, I mean making sure all our potential program users understand their options. And that’s very difficult to do. These individuals, for example, they’re making decisions when they’re 18 or 19 years old based on a whole lot of information that really doesn’t apply to them at that point,” Wilson says.

To summarize the two basic programs: Under the Montgomery GI Bill’s new payment rates, active duty veterans get $1,321 in their pockets each month (although some veterans qualify for extra funding and can receive as much as $1,800 per month). By comparison, under the Post-9/11 GI Bill, slated to go into effect next August, veterans will get their full tuition and fees paid for — up to the cost of the priciest undergraduate tuition at a public university in a veteran’s state — as well as a monthly housing allowance and an annual $1,000 book stipend. The monthly housing allowance ranges from $730 to $2,650, with the average amount nationwide set at $1,250.

The Post-9/11 bill, however, for all its obviously generous benefits for the college-bound, has some limitations.

Under the Post-9/11 GI Bill (also called the Webb bill, after its sponsor and chief champion, U.S. Sen. Jim Webb of Virginia), veterans who study half-time or less, or who enroll in a distance education program, are eligible for only the tuition benefit, and not the substantial housing subsidy.

Apprenticeship programs, on-the-job-training, and flight training programs, which are covered under the Montgomery program, are not covered under the Post-9/11 bill at all. Along those lines, the new Post-9/11 benefit applies only to students enrolled in education or training programs offered by “institutions of higher learning” — degree-granting institutions, essentially, as Wilson explains. As an interesting distinction, the program of study itself doesn’t have to be a degree program, but the institution the veteran attends must be degree-granting. A student could use the Post-9/11 bill to pay for truck driving training at a community college, for instance, but not at a non-degree granting postsecondary institution; under Montgomery, the student could attend either.

So despite the hype about the new Post-9/11 GI Bill — which will most benefit traditional students who attend a bricks and mortar college full-time — certain veterans may still find that the more flexible and newly bolstered Montgomery GI Bill gives them a better deal.

“The thing is, under very few circumstances will the Chapter 30 [Montgomery] benefit be worth more than the Chapter 33 [Post-9/11] benefit,” says Patrick Campbell, chief legislative counsel for the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, which posted a calculator on its Web site that veterans can use to compare their benefits under the two programs. “However, in those circumstances, it is useful for our veterans.”

Campbell explains that the 20 percent boost in Montgomery benefits was intended to complement the new GI Bill, to “make sure that no veteran, post-9/11 service or not, will get less benefits. Everybody who doesn’t get the full benefit under Post-9/11 is still going to get a 20 percent increase.”

“We sacrificed simplicity for a better benefit. So that means our job now is to make sure that people understand, to the best of their ability, what their benefits are,” Campbell says.

‘Should I Convert?’

Think all this seems rather confusing? Consider also a matter of timing.

The Post-9/11 GI Bill doesn’t require veterans to pay a penny into the system in advance. But to be eligible for the Montgomery program — which could prove to provide better benefits for certain veterans who enroll in online learning programs, for example — service members must buy into the benefits to the tune of $1,200 their first year in the military.

“That’s not the right time to ask them to make a decision about what they want to be at a later time in their life,” says Faith DesLauriers, legislative chair for the National Association of Veterans’ Program Administrators and director of university veterans affairs at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, in Florida. “You’re asking a new enlistee, ‘Well, if you do this one we’ve got to take $100 a month out of your check. But you do this one, it’s going to cost you nothing.’ I think you’re going to see that the number of people who are going to sign up for the Montgomery GI Bill is going to be less and less as time goes on.”

Which is not something DesLauriers would like to see. The Post-9/11 GI Bill, which offers a clear monetary incentive for traditional, full-time study at the public flagship university while excluding certain technical training paths, “absolutely limits options,” DesLauriers says.

“Your veteran population very often consists of adult learners, people who are married, and/or have children. They already have financial obligations and they are not your traditional student,” she says.

“The veteran in Connecticut, their only concern is how this new GI Bill affects them,” says Jack Mordente, director of veterans affairs at Southern Connecticut State University. “I am getting the question: Should I convert?” from the Montgomery to Post-9/11 program.

For his students at a public university, “I see no reason why they wouldn’t convert,” Mordente says.

“Obviously it’s a great GI Bill for people who are going into higher education.”

At the same time, Mordente says, “A veteran in the Post-9/11 doesn’t have the ability to go to on-the-job training,” as one example. “The veteran should have the right, in my opinion, to choose whatever program they want and not be limited by government regulations.”

‘Keep Your Options Open’

Right now, though, veterans can still do on-the-job-training, or flight training, or truck driving training at a non-degree institution, or everything they could do under Montgomery — as long as they’re eligible for the Montgomery program. Or, as of next August, they could get big benefits toward traditional higher education under Post-9/11.

So all the options, and more, are still there; it’s just they’re scattered across two different educational entitlement programs.

Wilson, of the VA’s education service, says the department is gathering a list of variables veterans should consider in choosing between the two programs — including whether they’re enrolling in online learning, are attending college full- or part-time, or if they want to pursue a degree- or non-degree program. Another variable: The Post-9/11 program is usable for 15 years after service, and the Montgomery program for 10.

Yet another is whether the veteran is attending college in a state that waives veterans’ tuition — meaning, in that case, that the federal government won’t be paying a tuition bill for the college under Post-9/11. Such veterans would still be eligible for the housing and book stipend (both paid directly to them) under the Post-9/11 bill, and could compare that total lump sum with that available under Montgomery.

So, given all these variables, how should an 18-year-old enlistee decide between signing up for (and paying into) Montgomery or opting (and paying nothing) for Webb?

“Anybody going into active duty right now, we recommend that they continue to sign up for the Montgomery GI Bill,” says Wilson. That’s because veterans can opt later, when it comes time to actually use their benefits, to switch to Post-9/11 but not vice versa — though once the switch from Montgomery to Post-9/11 is made, that’s irrevocable, too.

Service members who pay into the Montgomery Bill and later switch to the Post-9/11 GI Bill can get their $1,200 enrollment fee back, but with an important caveat — only after they use all 36 months of their entitlement.

History suggests that most won’t get that money back. Only about 7 percent of veterans exhaust their benefit.

“I do think the military is doing the right thing by pointing out that the Webb bill is not the right thing for every student,” says Harris N. Miller, president of the Career College Association. Miller spoke after an event on veterans’ education sponsored by the association in Washington last week; as the association spans a mix of degree-granting and non-degree granting institutions, the distinction between the two GI Bills was a particularly hot topic.

“Young GIs should always keep their options open.”

“Part of the problem is, why is the system is so complex?” Miller asks. “This is a program that people with law degrees and Ph.D.s don’t understand.”

Elizabeth Redden

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A Tale of Two GI Bills: two supplemental links

Additionally, military.com has posted these two articles:

Head-to-Head Comparison of the Old and New GI Bills:http://education.military.com/mon...-of-old-and-new-gi-bills?ESRC=dod.nl

VA Under Fire for GI Bill Delays:http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,176187,00.html?ESRC=dod.nl

Dan Kern, Instructor at East Central College, Union, Missouri, at 7:50 am EDT on October 3, 2008

It is unfortunate that such confusion has been created and that the Webb Bill discriminates against distance learning when so many veterans find that online learning may be their best option. See http://www.theother85percent.com/?p=29

Michael Offerman, at 8:20 am EDT on October 3, 2008

Vets, Trust No One

— A student could use the Post-9/11 bill to pay for truck driving training at a community college, for instance, but not at a non-degree granting postsecondary institution; under Montgomery, the student could attend either.—

Be wary, Vets: just because a school is authorized to grant degrees and accepts Veteran funds does not mean you will get a decent education. Colleges have little oversight, and the unethical ones use VA funds to milk the system. Be sure to ask key questions when enrolling: graduation rates, average number of years enrolled for actual grads, hidden costs (which can quickly deplete your benefits). Check the accrediation agencies: have there been any recent actions against this school, even if probationary? (Remember—accreditors are loathe to put serious restrictions on their fellow schools since accreditors are members of these schools themselves.) Check for state licensure and approval to operate in that state. Ask the state if there have been any complaints against the school.

It used to be easy to pick a good school: get a recommendation from an esteemed professor, check for accreditation, and voila. You have a chance to get a decent education without being ripped off. No more, however, is that process so simple. And sorry to say, trust no one.

kgotthardt@comcast.net, at 8:35 am EDT on October 3, 2008

Growing magnitude of need

The congressional budget for 2009 expects the total number of caseloads to increase to over 600,000 in 2008 and 2009 (which includes servicemembers’ dependents and the reserve components). Note that this estimate does not account for any potential new servicemembers entering in to the new G.I. Bill (since the new program will become much more economical for substantially more populations in the military). Hence, understanding and navigating through Chapter 30 (MGIB), Chapter 33 (post-9/11 G.I. Bill), as well as Chapters 1606 and 1607 (for the reserve components) folded under the respective programs, will become increasingly more important for a wider number of men and women separating from the military as we approach the launch date in 2009.

For a price tag of $52 billion by 2018, we should do this right out of the gate.

Young Kim, Research Associate at American Council on Education, at 8:55 am EDT on October 3, 2008

Why so late???

The wars in the Middle East have been on going for over seven years now. Many who served in either conflict early on have already left the service and went to college. This is my situation. I served 35 months and 26 days after 9/11, which will only give me 90% of the benefits, even though five more days of service would grant me 100% of the new GI Bill’s benefits. Thus, someone serving five days longer than me will receive thousands of dollars more. Furthermore, my old GI Bill benefits will be out in December. Where was this new benefit four years ago? I’d like to get some additional benefits for grad school, but there is nothing in the bill to help me out. For me to have been able to take advantage of the new bill’s benefit, I would have had to wait to start school until five years after I left the service. And this would only get me 90% of the benefits. It makes no sense to leave so many veterans out of the benefit loop. What a joke!

Though, I’m glad that some may benefit from this, just not my friends and I that served in OEF and OIF early on.

Ben, Too Little, Too Late!, at 2:10 pm EDT on October 3, 2008

Too Bad.....

This bill seems great for most new veterans and those going in will having something to fall back on.

In my position I waited 4 years after military to go back to school after having a child and just living life. I am now with 2 years left on my G.I.Bill and only was on terminal Leave 3 months after Septemeber 11th.

So I will lose the benefits in 2 years cause the current one only set for 10 years and I dont qualify for the new one.

Anyone with ideas or comments on what I should do or can do to continue after the Current G.I. Bills’ ten years is up would be helpful.

crum3@yahoo.com

Mike, at 7:10 pm EDT on October 3, 2008

It’s about time there was a change!

Even the enhanced Montgomery GI bill didn’t come close to paying tuition for my husband’s undergrad or grad school. I hope the education reimbursement process has changed for active-duty folks as well. When he was active duty, his college was considered an “officer’s school” and they wouln’t reimburse him for tuition there because he was enlisted.

PhilosopherP, at 5:55 am EDT on October 5, 2008

Pilot training

At Purdue University, flight training is offered, primarily as a part of a professional pilot program; however, other students are eligible to sign up for the courses if there is room. No better way to learn how to fly anything.

Bob, Lecturer in psychology at Indiana University Kokomo, at 3:30 pm EDT on October 5, 2008

New GI Bill

The GI Bill is a great program that direly needed updating. The new GI bill comes at a cost and will have unexpected consequences but those are far better than not helping the veterans of America. It is puzzling why the Stipend isn’t paid is to student attending distance learning colleges. Wouldn’t those working older adult students be the most likely to need the extra “incentive” to attend to college?

I have read the comments of a few who posted here with the GI bill clock ticking loudly and quickly in their ear and you may want to consider one of the regionally accredited colleges that takes a great deal of transfer credits such as Charter Oak, Excelsior College or Thomas Edison. All of those colleges were founded to help adult learners and they tend to have much lower residency requirements meaning you could complete the degree in a shorter period. These are by no means the only options just examples of some starting points for you.

Kevin K Dean, Academic Assessment Specalist at Empire State college, at 6:45 pm EDT on October 8, 2008

dependents

Does anyone know if you are in the active drilling guard and qualify for post 911 educational benefits if they will be transferable to benefits such as with active duty.

Mark, at 9:00 am EDT on October 23, 2008

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