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Defining and Debating 'Double Dipping'

November 10, 2008

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JACKSONVILLE, FLA. -- From virtually every angle, professors are under pressure to be more productive. Pressure to publish, to earn and keep tenure. Pressure to present at conferences, to prove to their employers their visibility and viability in their disciplines. And pressure, where possible, to be public intellectuals, to try to make their work relevant to institutional leaders and policy makers, as members of the Association for the Study of Higher Education were urged to do at their annual meeting here this week.

Responding to those pressures might lead a young professor to the very logical conclusion that he or she should take every possible opportunity to write, speak and otherwise get their work in front of peers. But that temptation, when taken to an extreme and done without care, "can come back and bite you on the butt," as Marybeth Gasman, an associate professor of higher education at the University of Pennsylvania, said at a session on the phenomenon of "double dipping" -- using the same scholarly material in multiple formats and settings -- at the ASHE meeting last weekend.

The session was prompted in large part, said Gasman and her co-presenter, Kristen Renn, an associate professor of higher, adult and lifelong education at Michigan State University, by an Inside Higher Ed article last spring about a discussion raging among political scientists about whether it is appropriate or unethical to give (and claim credit for on one's CV) the same presentation at two different conferences.

That article provoked a spirited conversation not only in Inside Higher Ed's comments section beneath that story but when Renn brought it up during a discussion with ASHE's Board of Directors last spring, she said, and board members agreed that it would make sense to raise it more broadly with the group's members.

Renn and Gasman expanded the definition of potential "double dipping" to include not just presenting at conferences (as was the focus of the political science debate) but publishing, too. In a series of survey questions asked of session attendees (and answered anonymously using Renn's new clicker-based response system, which both intrigued and at times perplexed her audience), consensus about what at least this select group of higher education scholars deemed appropriate (and not) came into view.

Is it ethical to submit a proposal to present the same paper to the annual meetings of both ASHE and the American Educational Research Association , which follows the higher education scholarly meeting by a few months? Yes, if the proposal is rejected by ASHE first, said 14 respondents. Yes, even if ASHE accepts it, said two. No under any circumstances, said three others.

Is it appropriate to present the same paper at more than one conference? Eleven clicked in No, and 6 yes. How about presenting a "research paper" at ASHE one year, and then the same basic paper at a "symposium" session the next year? "No!" blurted out one respondent from the back, perhaps frustrated by her lack of a clicker. The clickees agreed, with 20 nos and just 2 yeses.

Competing points of view, and some shades of gray, emerged during the discussion that followed. Shouldn't it make a difference "when you have completely different audiences?" asked one audience member. "Just because I’ve presented at a meeting in San Diego, I don’t see why I can’t present in Vienna," where hardly anyone will have heard both.

Another young faculty member said she was hearing conflicting messages from her disciplines' leaders. The theme of this year's meeting, she noted, was about "translating our research into practice," which sends the clear signal that "we need to get our work out more, and the more I do this the better." "There's some tension, and some competing goals we have," she added.

Questions of both fairness and ethics were raised in reply. Scholars who might submit a paper to multiple conferences or change a title and submit a largely similar paper to the same conference a year "set me off," said one audience member. "It's unfair to the hundreds of people who present and whose work is good yet it doesn’t get accepted."

The question of "double dipping is about claiming credit" for a presentation or publication for tenure or promotion purposes, not about who hears or reads it, said another young researcher. The concern is whether people are recycling scholarly material in a way that "pads the CV," so they "get double credit for one paper." "Are we honest about why we're doing it, for what reasons? And do we make it clear to people who might read our CV's that something is the same?"

Roughly similar arguments surrounded a set of questions and answers about the publications process (Is it ethical to publish an op-ed version of an idea, then turn it into a research paper and publish it? Overwhelmingly yes. To claim credit on your CV for a non-peer reviewed paper published online, and then the same publication in a peer-reviewed journal? 22 no's and 3 yeses), but some in the audience pointed out that one had to be careful about assuming papers are exactly the same, since the whole idea of research is to improve on one's scholarly work by getting advice and reactions from peers. "If something's substantively revised" between the first and second times a work is presented or published, "it isn’t exactly the same paper," said one audience member.

Ultimately, said Gasman of Penn, the discussion about "double dipping" is mostly about "how this is going to be viewed on your CV," and for that, she said, academics may be able to bypass any problems by taking steps to ensure that they are being forthright.

She divides the list of conference presentations on her vita into "peer-reviewed presentations" and "invited presentations," the latter being talks she is invited to give at colleges that seek to tap into her expertise, rather than those at which she is presenting original research. "If somebody looks under 'peer-reviewed research' and sees the same paper more than once, I think colleagues will be critical of you," Gasman said. But if they see that you're being invited to give the same talk repeatedly, "and you make it clear that you gave it before," that can be a positive sign of a scholar's influence.

Added Renn of Michigan State: "You've got to be looking for a way to clue the reader of your CV in. Transparency is really key."

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Comments on Defining and Debating 'Double Dipping'

  • Posted by distant voice on November 10, 2008 at 6:00am EST
  • This issue makes no sense at all, unless one is judged by conference appearances, which would be truly absurd. Conferences are used to gather feedback and response to work in progress and offer very little evidence of productivity or scholarly output. The "same" paper could easily be presented more than one time to different audiences and at different stages to gain valuable pre-publication input.

  • Posted by Don Heller at Penn State on November 10, 2008 at 6:05am EST
  • Gasman and Renn are right: Transparency is the key. An academic's CV should be an accurate reflection of all of her scholarly activities. One should not exclude something from the CV because it has been presented before. Separating presentations between peer-reviewed conferences (with an academic or practitioner audience) versus invited presentations is entirely appropriate. Similarly, publications should be separated by category, i.e., peer-reviewed versus those that are not.

    The reality is that tenure and promotion committees, as well as faculty review processes, take into account both the quality and the quantity of scholarly activities on a CV.

  • Posted by Jim on November 10, 2008 at 9:40am EST
  • This doesn't address the "double-dipping" problem with book chapters that I encountered while editing an anthology. The simultaneous publication of identical book chapters is a problem.

  • re:
  • Posted by PS on November 10, 2008 at 9:55am EST
  • The reality is that the vast majority of higher education research and research that comes out of ASHE has very little impact on higher education in general. Professors outside the field of the study of higher education don't use it, administrators very rarely if ever use it, and other than the occasional hearing where a professor is allowed to speak, policy makers certainly do not use it.

    Maybe ASHE professors should spend their time and efforts exploring ways to get research to have some kind of value on the organization they are studying, as opposed to how it creates value for them personally and their careers. They should stop wasting their time writing for each other and evaluating the quality or quantity of research in their field - in the end, it just doesn't matter.

  • Posted by Melissa at MSU on November 10, 2008 at 12:20pm EST
  • Terrific article and great talk in Jacksonville. I hope Gasman and Renn keep this conversation going in the months to come.

  • Double dipping
  • Posted by fred flener , retired on November 10, 2008 at 1:30pm EST
  • Wait a second, Melissa. Does this mean the authors will be talking about the subject more than once? "Double dipping" is, of course, normal and probably a good thing. Certainly, if the topic is worth hearing, then limiting it to a small audience at a single conference is a waste of good information. Should only one copy of a book be sold/read? The only problem is whether the speaker/author claims it as two separate pieces of work. That's the unethical element. Heck, I have given one of my favorite presentation a half dozen times or more. I am retired, so I am not too interested in putting together a CV for promotion or seeking a new job, but I have always listed the same presentation under a single heading, then listed the locations of the presentations. No big deal.

  • Posted by Michael Pyshnov on November 10, 2008 at 3:10pm EST
  • The whole problem boils down to correct evaluation of one's CV. Of course, counting the number of publications is absolutely wrong. Evaluated should be what has been accomplished at one's table, not outside. But, evaluating this correctly is possible only very approximately. Relying on the opinion of the colleagues is as uncertain as relying on one's own opinion.

    I believe that a lot must be left to what is called "academic freedom". There should be much less differences in funding. All "pressures" must cease; this is outrageously inappropriate. Legislating the fine tuning of "ethics" of publishing is as bad as applying the "pressures", provided, of course, there is honesty and transparency in one's publications. In other words - the climate is too hot now for good science.

  • Conference presentations
  • Posted by Faculty Person on November 10, 2008 at 6:05pm EST
  • Whether or not a conference presentation is "counted" depends on the discipline. They're generally weighted more heavily in Computer Science than in say History. On the other hand CS books rarely count much as scholarship while in History they're essential.

  • Posted by Dave on November 11, 2008 at 5:05am EST
  • Michael Pyshnov wrote, "Of course, counting the number of publications is absolutely wrong." I think there's some truth there. If a committee is simply and literally counting the number of presentations or publications as a way to evaluate a candidate for hiring or promotion, then they're not taking a critical look at the nature of the scholarly work involved (which would involve considering the audience for each presentation or publication, for instance).

    Are there committees that really do this--just count without critically evaluating? That seems hard to believe, but perhaps I'm naive. If there are such committees, then should it be the candidate's responsibility to explain the nature of all of his or her publications and presentations to a committee that's only interested in a simple number? If the committee isn't going to take the time to critically evaluate the candidate's scholarly work, why should the candidate take the time to explain it all to the committee?

    My questions are coming off a little flip, I think, but I don't really mean them that way. (Well, maybe just a little!)

  • Posted by Michael Pyshnov on November 11, 2008 at 2:05pm EST
  • I think that one should put together a list of accomplishments and give references to support the items on this list. The list should be evaluated and the publications - only to see if they support the claims. How significant are the accomplishments, that's another matter and a very difficult one.

  • Presenting the same paper to two or more idfferetn audiences
  • Posted by William P. Mitchell , Professor on November 16, 2008 at 4:40pm EST
  • Fred Flener is right on. There should be no problem in presenting the same paper to two or more different audiences. If that were not allowed, then we would prohibit the translation of books and papers into different languages. The ethical problem rests with the CV: one needs to list the different presentations under one heading, indicating where the paper has been presented. The same is true for translated books and papers. It is, moreover, ridiculous to fetishize originality in the way we do. Can anyone be realistically expected to produce two, three, or however many completely original ideas and papers year after year? Baroque musicians reworked material over and over. Are they to be condemned? "Originality" is an historically produced ideology that we could well think about what it means.