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December 17, 2008

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Everyone knows that colleges doing faculty hiring can't bar people from applying if they are over 40 (or some other cutoff). That's age discrimination and that's illegal.

But are departments paying attention?

In 2005, the American Historical Association decided to retire its statement banning age discrimination, and simply added a line to general statements about all kinds of discrimination condemned by the society. This month, responding to reports of age discrimination in faculty hiring, the association has reinstated its original explanation about why age discrimination is both illegal and wrong. And some experts on age discrimination suggest that historians are hardly unique in experiencing the problem, and may just be ahead of other parts of academe in acknowledging it.

Among those who have most frequently raised concerns about age discrimination are adjuncts. Departments that have no problem hiring adjuncts to teach courses semester after semester many times hesitate, they say, even to consider these instructors when full-time, tenure-track positions open up. Younger candidates, with new Ph.D.'s and less teaching experience, seem to beat them out, many report, even for positions that are teaching oriented. And the AHA statement agrees that this is one of the situations in which age discrimination is taking place.

"When a department or institution decides to confine its search to younger applicants, it discriminates against two groups," the statement says. "One is made up of older individuals who earned their doctorates during the job shortages of the 1970s and 1980s, have since held a variety of temporary and part-time positions, and are interested in entry-level positions that offer the possibility of tenured status. Although their teaching experience and often impressive publications might be expected to give them an advantage in the search process, they sometimes find themselves dismissed without interviews as 'overqualified.' "

The statement also refers to a second group of victims of age bias: "The other group that suffers age discrimination is made up of those who have earned their degrees later in life and thus are recent Ph.D.'s but no longer young. Such candidates have received the same training as their younger colleagues and have benefited from more extensive life experience, yet search committees sometimes tend to be biased against those whose lives do not fit traditional patterns. By eliminating well-qualified candidates simply because of age, search committees lose valuable opportunities to enrich their departments and institutions."

Statistical evidence of age discrimination in history was offered last year in the blog Ph.D. in History -- by Sterling Fluharty, a doctoral candidate at the University of Oklahoma who writes extensively on job market issues. Using federal data, Fluharty found a pattern in which those furthest up the academic prestige hierarchy were those who had finished their doctorates in the shortest time after finishing their undergraduate education, and who had finished their doctoral degrees at the youngest ages. A tenured professor at a doctoral university, for example, on average earned his or her doctorate at the age of 31.2, while the average age of doctorate completion for a tenured professor at a four-year college was 33.7 and the average age for community college faculty was 37.7. The older you were at the point of completing a dissertation, the less likely to find a high prestige job.

While some might argue that the best graduate students naturally finish up in a timely way, Fluharty noted that there are often other factors involved. "If you have the resources and privilege to attend a highly selective institution for your bachelor's degree, start graduate school as soon as you earn your bachelor's degree, and then work continuously on your degree without having to stop to earn money, then you will probably go far in this profession," he wrote. "If you were raised without these resources and privilege, if you took a few years off between your bachelor's and graduate programs, or if you received your doctorate in your mid- to late 30s, then you might as well as admit that your doctorate will likely get you little more than a low-paying or adjunct position."

One history adjunct chuckled when told that the AHA had reissued the statement. "What took them so long?" he said. This adjunct has been a non-tenure-track instructor for 25 years -- despite having a Ph.D., plenty of teaching recommendations, a book published by a respected university press, and a specialty in which there are jobs.

Because he worked outside academe for 10 years before entering his doctoral program, he was older than most job candidates even when his Ph.D. was new. Some years ago, he stopped including dates on his C.V. for when he earned his Ph.D., and left off some of his experience so as to appear younger (without stating an age). "But I have silver-gray hair," he said. "I've had 50 interviews at AHA in the last seven years, and I have never been asked for a campus interview."

This adjunct, who asked that he not be identified so as not to hurt his career, said he was "deeply cynical at this point" about the odds that he could get a fair hearing in a job interview. "But I guess that it's nice that they've woken up to this business."

The issue is by no means unique to history. An article in 2005 in the Virginia Journal of Social Policy and Law argued that law schools were vulnerable to age discrimination suits because of a reluctance to hire as new faculty members those who have worked more than a few years in law firms.

Ethan Burger, one of the authors and an adjunct law professor at American University and Georgetown University, said that when he wrote the article, his wife told him not to publish it for fear that it "will make you radioactive." Burger said that his research finds clear patterns where people over certain ages appear not to be interviewed or hired. He acknowledged that there is an element of subjectivity in faculty hiring that makes it hard to demonstrate bias. But he said records about who is actually interviewed should raise questions about bias, since there should be enough on paper to make it clear some good candidates aren't even interviewed. "You see all of these cases where there is no justification for not talking" to older candidates, he said.

In a few cases, adjuncts who were passed over for jobs have received legal backing from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission for their claims of age discrimination.

Ann H. Franke, a consultant on higher education legal and risk issues, said that she was pleased to see the AHA releasing the statement again. "Older faculty candidates do indeed face barriers," Franke said. She noted that the AARP publishes guidance for older job candidates on how to handle questions that might relate to their age, and a checklist for employers on how to consider candidates without age-related bias.

A lawyer at the AARP views academe as a sector of society with a serious age discrimination problem -- and not just in employment. Dan Korhman, who works on employment discrimination cases, said he has received several inquiries from people who were either rejected from graduate programs or admitted but denied aid, and who were told that departments didn't see the logic of their starting a graduate program at their age. "It's blatant age discrimination," he said, adding that he's looking for a test case to bring.

"There's this very crude notion about how colleges must be mindful of the investment they are making" in someone admitted to a doctoral program, and a "terribly implausible" view that the younger someone is, the more likely the investment is to pay off, Korhman said. He noted that many doctoral programs have terrible problems with student retention, suggesting that they aren't so great at figuring out whom to invest in. "It seems to me that older applicants for graduate programs have really decided what they want their life's work to be," he said.

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  • Can't trick the old dogs
  • Posted by Steven D. Aird on December 17, 2008 at 7:00am EST
  • I apologize for my cynicism, but it is born of much experience. In academia today, it is not that you cannot teach an old dog new tricks. Rather it is that those university administrators who are more concerned about control of faculty than scholarship, cannot trick the old dogs. They want younger, greener faculty who can be more easily manipulated. The same reason explains the hiring of adjuncts and foreign faculty with citizenship applications in play. If they are dangling by a professional or an economic thread, they will do as they are told, rather than doing what is best for their students. Old dogs are less inclined to be "yes men."

  • English too?
  • Posted by EF on December 17, 2008 at 7:55am EST
  • I have a sense that there are similar biases against older Ph.D.s in English as well. Send in your stories.

  • Absolutely true!
  • Posted by Part-time history instructor on December 17, 2008 at 8:25am EST
  • Everything in this article is absolutely true. I finished my history Ph.D. in 2001 at the age of 44. I've applied for over 200 positions and gotten exactly one job offer that I turned down because the pay offer and benefits stunk. I've got life experience that I bring directly to my teaching and research, good teaching evaluations, and significant publications. Do I even get a first look from other schools? No. Does my own school where I teach consider hiring me full-time when positions open up? No. Why? No one will tell me, but I do suspect age, among other things. Other over-40 Ph.D.s in many other fields have told me the exact same stories. This is academia's dirty little secret.

  • What About Diversity?
  • Posted by Dean Dad on December 17, 2008 at 8:50am EST
  • This article doesn't describe the reality I've seen on the ground. In my experience (at the cc level), the much more common scenario involves departments comprised entirely of faculty in their 50s and older who simply refuse to take seriously anybody under 40.

    There's a case to be made that hiring freezes are institutionalized, and legal, generational discrimination. No thoughtful observer can credibly claim that grad students emerging in the last, say, fifteen years had anywhere near the employment opportunities of the generations before them.

    In this case, the law is based on false assumptions about circumstances. Introducing the first female hire into an all-male department strikes a blow for diversity. Why doesn't introducing the first Gen X hire into a department that's otherwise 50 and up do the same thing?

  • The nature of 'career' is changing
  • Posted by genxdoctoral student on December 17, 2008 at 8:55am EST
  • As a GenXer with more than a decade of work experience outside of academe who is a first year doctoral student in my field, I would suggest that colleges and universities need to be ready for Xers and Yers who have changed what traditional career track means. We don't stay in jobs for decades and often pursue several different 'careers' during our working lives. Higher ed will see more and more mid-career professionals pursuing terminal degrees. Embrace us! Our life experience and the fact that many of us are already pretty darned good administrators before we ever set foot on a campus to teach can be advantageous. We have already learned the ins and outs of managing diverse office personalities. We know how to manage people and can easily translate this skill into the classroom. And, at mid career, we are likely balancing jobs, families and our doctoral work which means we want this degree, and the new era in our careers that will hopefully follow. We REALLY want it. Colleges and universities would be foolish to brush us aside when looking for tenure track candidates because we can greatly enrich our departments with skills and life experiences outside our respective research and teaching areas.

  • Posted by bystander on December 17, 2008 at 8:55am EST
  • I am surprised that people find this news. I can't think of anyone who would find it surprising. I was on a hiring committee a few years back, and one of the folks laughed out loud while looking at one of the applicant's folders--he was so OLD! (He was exactly my age. I pointed out to her that what she said and did was age discrimination, and wondered what her opinion of me and my work was, since the applicant and I were the exact same age. Oh, I didn't mean YOU, she said. Ha, as if she didn't! But in twenty years, she will be my age. It happens to us all, and someone else will laugh at her age, too, I suppose. This of the displaced executives who can't get jobs as junior accountants. That's old news, too--my CPA brother went from comptroller to surplus goods after a merger and never had a decent job again.

  • Posted by T on December 17, 2008 at 9:25am EST
  • While I agree that age discrimination is real, certainly there are older adjuncts being passed over for jobs because they have shown a questionable work ethic or undesirable character trait(s).

  • Try being in your 70's
  • Posted by Bill Frantz , A tired "refired" Business Professor on December 17, 2008 at 9:25am EST
  • Try being 75 and still able to make a terrific contribution of experience, knowledge, scholarly contributions and, especially discernment. Having stayed up-to-date in technology and even ahead of some of our digital natives coming back to the adult learning online and F2F learning venues, you have no idea of the discrimination that subtly takes place.

    For example, leading a group of learners (Used to be called "students") in a contemporary American History program, I am confronted in almost every learning session (Used to be called classes or courses) with open-mouthed amazement when they find out how this country came to be or what is the background of the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution, let alone the issues that confront us today.

    I could go on, but after reading "The 18 Minute Expert Examination" by Peter Weddle, just published this morning by HigherEd.com, I can see that another American Revolution is badly needed.

  • This is definitely true.
  • Posted by Rufus on December 17, 2008 at 9:25am EST
  • I was an older grad student and found several professors really unreceptive to working with me. I saw this happen to a couple other older students too. I wasn't given the same level of funding as the younger students. This type of age bias at the initial stages of the graduate process can build into real differences between candidates when the younger students get better letters of recommendation, faster program complete times, better scholarship packages to list on their cvs.

    I've mentioned age discrimination in a couple forums and found many professors to be in complete denial on the subject. They refused to even discuss the possibility of age discrimination. It's pathetic that the AHA is leading the way simply with an admission that age discrimination exists and is illegal.

  • Not my experience
  • Posted by Hoosier Prof on December 17, 2008 at 9:25am EST
  • I expect there is some age discrimination against adjuncts, but the question of whether there is age discrimination against older, tenure-track job candidates is a separate matter. And I am sceptical. There are too many possible counterfactuals. "Part-time history professor" writes about the difficulty in finding a job. Is that due to her/his age or the tough job market for historians generally? From what kind of school did s/he graduate? What publications has s/he produced? My experience has been different. I earned my social science degree in my early forties (after another career) and I had no problem finding a job. Age never came up. Keep in mind that hiring a young scholar who hasn't been through the disruption of childbirth and parenting has its own disadvantages when compared to hiring an older candidate who has already produced a family.

  • age discrimination
  • Posted by Tom Riley , Dean, Arts, Hum. and Soc. Sci. at NDSU on December 17, 2008 at 9:30am EST
  • I have not noticed age discrimination in the two institutions I have been associated with. I have noted that older applicants who have not continued their research and publication over the years have a harder time making the cut for a full time position. Older applicants who have been active or who have just finished their doctorates actually seem to have a leg up on younger applicants. Just an off the cuff observation from areas other than the hard sciences.

  • women's take too
  • Posted by LM on December 17, 2008 at 9:40am EST
  • Not a surprise. Women "of a certain age" who apply for jobs after raising the kids when they are able to move, dye their hair (among other things) to be competitive. The rest of us just have to keep going to the gym and be careful of what we eat, though we know we won't be able to move.
    LM

  • Posted by Stan Nadel on December 17, 2008 at 9:50am EST
  • When I was on the job market I was told explicitly that I wouldn't be given further consideration because I was more than 5 years past the PhD--despite the tight job market and my extensive publications and teaching experience in 1 year jobs [all full time]. At one interview I was told that the dean probably wouldn't approve my being hired because my experience and publications would require too high a salary--they laughed when I said I'd gladly work for their minimum as it was more than I'd ever made so far. Then there was was another job where I was already on board as a short timer and when I filed my age discrimination complaint I learned that not only had they eliminated me in favor of a group of ABDs, they had also eliminated a number of highly accomplished scholars with prize winning books from consideration. then they hired one of the ABDs getting a non-History degree. When I went to the AHA professional standards committee I was told that didn't violate their professional standards--it seemed to me that they didn't have any. So I'm happy to see times are changing, even if too late to do me any good.

  • Just finished Phd at 65
  • Posted by mary zamon on December 17, 2008 at 10:25am EST
  • I am taking all these comments and the article to heart. I am currently working in a great job in administration and would like to continue a combination of administration and teaching. I had a hard choice when I started my degree 6.5 years ago ( not bad for part time). The choice was between a history degree or one in higher education administration- alas I concluded that with a history degree I would still be an adjunct.
    At this point I think going tenure track would be fruitless- Do I really want to sign up for a 6 year process?
    I now have five years of administration experience and over 20 teaching every level from pre K-undergraduate.
    I will be open to opportunities, but hope to take advantage of them at my current institution. Retirement?? Hardly! and even then I wan to keep teaching part time.
    There are many paths in life and making choices are what adults do.
    I agree that it is harder to 'trick' the old dogs, but I prefer to say experienced, mature contributors to education.
    Good wishes to all-- let talent shine no matter what the age and let us look for lives that fit all our life goals.
    Happy reflections-
    Mary

  • Posted by AR on December 17, 2008 at 10:35am EST
  • In female dominated professions, such as nursing, many tenure track faculty finish their PhD studies in their late 40's having made sacrifices for spouses and child rearing. I am always amazed when tenured faculty on our College's search committee who began their academic careers later in life, want to discriminate against candidates who have the same profile they did when they landed their first tenure track job. The "old" word is often said out loud, and things like, "she will be over 55 by the time she gets tenure". Given that we have may productive faculty in our College over 70, I do not see this as a bad thing, but convincing these tenured faculy to hire these candidates over the 35 year old candidate is an annual challenge for me.

  • age discrimination in academia
  • Posted by Pamela on December 17, 2008 at 11:00am EST
  • The continuing education requirement for professional engineers was certainly a factor in my decision to pursue a doctorate. The prospect of free tuition for dependents led me to consider a second career in academia. Along the way, I discovered the joy of conducting research and the challenge of using new technology to stimulate learning. How sad it is to read that years of experience in industry are not valued in the ivory tower!

  • Posted by Tenured at 60 on December 17, 2008 at 11:20am EST
  • I returned to grad school and got my Ph.D. at 45, then spent 9 years before being hired tenure track. This happened despite having completed a pretigious postdoc, publishing research steadily, receiving a grant for my work, and teaching in a series of full-time visiting appointments with rave reviews. I would submit 60-70 applications and receive 3-5 on-campus interviews each year but was always the second choice. When I took my age off my vita, my interviews were at top places, such as NYU and UCLA. I honed my interview skills and am certain I wasn't saying or doing anything off-putting during my interviews. You would think someone with my training would be hired somewhere. The year I was actually hired, I had 10 interviews and only one job offer. That is clearly discrimination at work. I consider myself fortunate to have finally found a place willing to set aside prejudice and fairly consider a person on their own merits. Such places do exist but most of us do not have the stamina to keep looking until we finally find one of them.

  • Posted by Edward Curran on December 17, 2008 at 11:50am EST
  • Just another voice - I am one of the older graduates (47 years old at graduation). I have over 20 publications and have written funded grant proposals yet cannot find a job. If I had any idea that the bias is so strong against older PhDs in academia (and don't forget industry) I never would have went back for my PhD and incurred massive student loan debt. I did it because after being a research technician for ~15 years I thought I had something to offer. The same universities that take your money and benefit from your hard work now deem you too old to employ. Why didn't they tell me when I was applying?

  • Join The Club
  • Posted by Frizbane Manley on December 17, 2008 at 11:55am EST
  • I am 71, have an extraordinary background and very extensive experience (in both academe and the public sector), am intellectually energetic, am very knowledgeable about a broad range of topics, am remarkably knowledgeable about issues of interest to today’s students, am very active as a “scholar” with an extensive “research and writing” agenda, (and I think make unusual and important contributions to whatever I am doing), and I can kick the ass of the vast majority of “under 40s” on the tennis court (I am a USTA 4.0, just down from 4.5). Of course, just like all members of Match.com, I look much younger than my age (yesterday’s 70 is today’s 50).

    I have almost 50 years of teaching experience, I have never had tenure, and I have never taught as an adjunct (and never will). At various times I have been on the faculties of Virginia Tech (mathematics), Princeton (statistics), Yale (political science), Michigan (political science, management science, and as an administrator), and Duke (political science), among others. I owned a small business for 12 years, and contracted about 80% of our activities (designing, developing, and facilitating workshops in the so-called quality sciences) for the Corporate Quality Office of Ford Motor Company.

    I am job-hunting this year for either a position in mathematics, statistics, management science, or some combination thereof. I would like to wrap up my career as an academic (I’m guessing ten more years as a full-timer and then assume part-time responsibilities after that) without ever having been tenured, but I would like a three- or four-year renewable contract. In truth, I hate to even think about living the rest of my life in the absence of students and colleagues.

    Do those who receive application materials from me know how old I am? Of course. They all require at least unofficial copies of transcripts, and, if you can believe this, they invariably want a copy of my undergraduate transcript. “Let’s see ... got his B.A. in 1960 ... must have been at least 20 years-old then ... hmmm, 20+48 = 68.” And they’ve only missed it by three years. Why else would they want a Ph.D.'s undergraduate transcripts?

    How many times have I heard “Oh, Dr. Manley, I’m afraid you’re over-qualified for our position” – and if that’s not today’s euphemistic substitute for “Sorry old timer, but you’re just too old,” please explain it to me ... and don’t tell me they’re just looking out for my (non-existent) inclination to be bored with the trivial nature of their job. Add to that the fact that there is great fear that old guys who “came through the system” when expectations for student behavior and performance was ... let’s say rather stringent, will not be able to function well in a much more “permissive” environment in which more than a few students are underprepared and unmotivated.

    And, by the way, I am Frizbane Manley because general criticism of higher education in our beloved land is verboten insofar as the academic job market is concerned. Have a reputation for being outspoken or not suffering fools lightly and you’re dead meat. “Will he fit in?” means nothing more than “Is he like us?” or “Does he embrace OUR status quo?”

    Is there rampant discrimination on the basis of age in higher education these days? You bet ... big time. Can anything be done about it? Don’t hold your breath.

    P.S. No, I’m not interested in spending the rest of my life volunteering. I do enough of that for Habitat for Humanity already.

  • Age Discrimination
  • Posted by GET on December 17, 2008 at 12:10pm EST
  • My first notion was to simply read with interest and almost amusement what is generally known, but unspoken. However, when I read T's short, acerbic comment about questionable work habits of older applicants, I had to respond. Time and space will not allow me to fully explicate my own story, but let me emphasize that there are many people who have changed directions in their life quests and come to academia while still working in another genre. If they have not been able to amass the funds to provide for a family they usually work and maintain their new academic quest. With many important points left out of this brief overview, let me say that I have finished Master's work, one doctorate ( It was not a research degree ( PhD), and I am now finishing a PhD. I have applied to ADs indicating ABD would be considered, but I have yet to even have a conversation. One respondent said in writing that, ( I paraphrase) my credentials were terrific and impressive,( I suspect because of the schools--Harvard and Boston U.) but my background does not fit want they are looking for. In this case my background, work and adjunct/parttime teaching, was exactly what they said they wanted. Other institutions have been more succinct, especially if I am known by one of the principle persons on the committee..,"thank you for your inquiry, but I am sure you know you would not be hired." Others, I have come to find out, simply lie, and on the one time I had an interview, most everyone who should have interviewed me was not available that day for a full interview. The result of this was a limp response..."Our committee was unanimous in the decision about the individual we decided on." My temptation was to ask, if that included the people who did not interview me. It was finally made clear to me by a friend who worried about my application for a fellowship, for which he was sure that I was the perfect person for the institution and its students. After not hearing anything back from this institution, my friend said that he did not want to discourage me, but that age discrimination is a real problem in Higher Education. So I say to T, the problem of work habits is not a major issue for older persons, but a problem of institutional ethics is a major stumbling block. Do we still wonder why the problems in our institutions that are supposed to be central to our culture and our understandings of civic life? But, I have moved on, to provide another opportunity for engaging dialogue that is creative and beneficial to those who commonly seek a higher good. I am fine.

  • Posted by T on December 17, 2008 at 1:05pm EST
  • Get,

    Then I submit that my comment does not apply to you. I humbly refer you to the first half of my comment.

    T

  • Posted by CJ on December 17, 2008 at 1:05pm EST
  • The diversity of anecdotes in the article and comments supports the reasonable inference that 'age discrimination' covers a multitude of different motivations and factors that play out differently in different contexts. Sometimes, the discrimination occurs at admission to graduate (or even undergraduate) study; sometimes, in access to faculty advisers; sometimes, it's an issue of finding a "mentor" when all of the qualified faculty are much younger than you; sometimes, accumulated life-experience makes it harder for an older student to accept the depth and intensity of disciplinary socialization needed to be labeled a 'superstar' candidate in a field; and sometimes, it's about the particular makeup or culture of a particular department. I've seen every one of these phenomena in my twenty years in academe (which began as a second career for me, so I've seen it from both sides). As with other prejudices, the very invisibility of age bias to those who exercise it make it even more corrosive: I am confident that many of my colleagues would be outraged at the allegation of bias, but that doesn't make the allegation untrue.

    Hiring, promotion, and tenure are complex processes involving many judgments. Every candidate is unique; every situation has its quirks as well. Age is at most one factor among many that will influence the final decision. However, as someone who has been involved with dozens of searches and promotion decisions in social-science departments at two different, elite institutions, I don't think there is any question that age plays an undesirable and often blatantly illegal factor in too many decisions. In today's labor markets, where supply so vastly exceeds demand, a primary function of a search committee is to look for reasons to say 'no.' I've heard committee members voice all of the same prejudicial rationalizations attributed here to others. In addition to the one about lower return-on-investment in older students (a particularly laughable concern at my institution, which tenures so few Assistant Profs that the job is essentially a finite-term contract hire), my other favorite is the fifty-ish economist who justified a no vote on a thirty-five year-old on the grounds that all great math is done before one is thirty (I've never heard a better argument against tenure for economists :-). I've seen enough decisions to note a statistical pattern as well; even when age is never mentioned, the older candidates don't make the short list. I can well imagine that the same human failings occur in other institutional environments, even if they play out differently; for instance, I wouldn't automatically doubt that some CC faculties try to keep their ranks gray, just because my own experience in the public and private Ivies runs so strongly pro-youth.

    The fact that older or younger candidates are also sometimes rejected for more-legitimate reasons does not mitigate the wrong done when age is introduced into the decision in unnecessary, unhelpful, and illegitimate ways.

    I have been known to joke with colleagues that, as a white Anglo-Saxon male from an elite private-educational background, age discrimination is about the only form of academic discrimination I can expect to experience--and it seems only fair, given the other forms of discrimination that I escaped by accident of birth. The joke has a little more bitterness in it than I hope they know: while I am successful and happy in my career, I can point to several instances where my age was either presumptively or explicitly a barrier to achieving still more. Here's one example: I started graduate school too old to qualify for an NSF doctoral fellowship, which is both valuable financial assistance and an important credential for subsequent selection processes in my field. My first experience with the job-market also involved a rejection rate that shocked my committee as much as it did me--and for which their own explanations involved age discrimination. Had my readers, most younger than I, been less well-connected and willing to come to my aid, my career might have turned out quite differently. I am especially grateful because I know of so many people--of no less intrinsic merit--who lacked that assistance, and for whom the process was far less successful.

    So, kudos to AHA and best wishes for a successful effort to root out another pernicious obstacle to the pursuit of truly merit-based academic success.

  • position descriptions for hires in humanities
  • Posted by schencka , English instructor on December 17, 2008 at 1:05pm EST
  • I have no doubt that most older PhD applicants have all of the credentials, scholarship, and energy to work as exellent faculty.

    But look at the position descriptions (http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/EnglishLiterature) and look at the areas of expertise of current faculty as shown on official department web sites. Nearly all the position descriptions seek a very specific area of expertise, like Literature of the Caribbean or Anglo-American Transatlantic literature and so on. Further, the drive for *new* forms of scholarship on *new* subjects is palpable and to be expected. Newly-minted PhDs are current -- for better or worse -- on all of this stuff and are going to the conferences and publishing articles *today*. Departments just don't want scholarship that has anything un-current about it.

    And forget about all the courses you've taught or your non-academic job experience. Departments seek out the new scholarship, simple as that. It's knowing where the fad is and selling oneself on that.

  • Online applications often give away your age
  • Posted by Coloring my hair for MLA on December 17, 2008 at 2:45pm EST
  • I am on the job market in English and was annoyed to discover that most of the online applications (for colleges which require them) force applicants to list every school attended, with dates, going back to high school.

    This makes it easy for the school to discriminate based on age, since there is no question of someone's age if you find out when they started and finished high school.

  • "Overqualified"
  • Posted by unemployed phd on December 17, 2008 at 2:50pm EST
  • >> dismissed without interviews as ‘overqualified.’

    This is always an indication of one underlying reason, and one reason only: the hiring people feel threatened by your abilities and your willingness to work, and have no qualms about preserving their own personal comfort at the expense of providing better educational opportunities for students.

  • Bias Against Older Candidates
  • Posted by Sally in Chicago on December 17, 2008 at 4:05pm EST
  • Education and Health Care are the two places where "older" senior workers can still stay on as long as they want as long as they're not senile, feeble, and in poor health. I work on the staff and instructional side of education and I can tell you from the staff side, I'm working with a few older faculty who need to retire. They have nothing new to offer and as they get older their students get younger. And the younger students are coming in with newer fresher methods. I've even overheard youngsters say they know more than the professors. The problem is the older profs don't go to conferences, they don't research & write, they don't even know how to operate Microsoft products.

    On the instructional side, I'm not yet 62 and can still teach new methods to students because I stay updated on new methods, I attend conferences, I'm on the hunt for better ways of teaching and doing things that I can bring to the classroom.

    If I ever become like those older profs that I work for, then note to self: retire.

  • Double or triple discrimination?
  • Posted by JCS on December 17, 2008 at 4:35pm EST
  • I was wondering if the twin facts of my age (54)and my weight (+300 pounds), when combined with the fact I have been relegated to adjunct work for the majority of my professional career, worsen my own prospects for future work and job security. My student evaluations for the past ten-plus years have run 9-1 positive, even fulsome in praise. More than a few students say I give them a better understanding of the course (yes, I teach history!) than the younger, full-time faculty.
    However, job applications have all resulted in "after considering the number of applications received. . .". The one interview I did get several years ago ended almost as soon as it began, with a look that was all too plain--a fat old guy wants to teach for us? I/We don't think so.
    For quite some time I thought the lack of an extensive list of publications amounted to the proverbial kiss of death; I took some sort of perverse resignation to the dilemma that I was too busy trying to find enough work to pay bills to do any research and writing. Now comes the extra hurt stemming from age discrimination, as well as the long-standing "disapproval" of the obese.
    On one level, I suppose I fit into the category of "three strikes and out" even before I have any chance to show what I can do for a college or university. To some who read this, there may be the conclusion that I have quite a "whine list"; I merely summarize what I have had to endure for some time.

  • bias against older academics
  • Posted by newly unemployed adjunct on December 17, 2008 at 7:50pm EST
  • I appreciated the comment above which stated that hiring people "have no qualms about preserving their own personal comfort at the expense of providing better educational opportunities for students". This seems to sum it up.

  • Bias against age? or against knowing academia already?
  • Posted by Scratched , Lecturer on December 17, 2008 at 9:05pm EST
  • For over a decade I was an adjunct in a department whose chair, when full-time lines opened up, declared in writing her policy against writing letters of recommendation for serving adjuncts for the in-house positions --even in offering to recommend these same people for positions at another school. This seemed to confirm what I'd long suspected: that aside from certain basic qualifications, what counts mostly in some academic hiring is "soft" qualifications like perceived compatibility with campus and/or department culture and malleability to a local institution. Employers want for new colleagues people who'll be too intent on advancing along a stressful, narrow tenure track to question the institution or their mentors, much less wizened adjuncts who've looked at the clouds around the ivory tower from both sides already.

  • Old Professors Suck!
  • Posted by Frizbane Manley on December 18, 2008 at 8:50am EST
  • I would never want to take a course from anyone older than 60 ...

    http://www.pitt.edu/~druzdzel/feynman.html

    http://www.tntg.org/documents/Profile%20Richard%20Feynman.pdf

    And I would never want a physician older than 50 operating on me, much less a woman ...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/18/health/s18face.html?_r=1&th&emc=th

  • What are we supposed to do!?
  • Posted by Robert Gail on December 18, 2008 at 2:26pm EST
  • I was depressed I read "Bias Against Older Candidates." I left my last career thinking I could find a position as a professor at a small university. I have sent of a couple of hundred applications packages. What can I do?

    Has anyone thought to initiate a class action suit?

  • Cutting Edge Geezers
  • Posted by Rob Weir on December 21, 2008 at 6:05pm EST
  • To those young whelps who insist older profs are behind the times I'd like humbly to point out that I was on the cutting edge of this current issue. See http://insidehighered.com/views/2007/12/04/weir/
    This was from 2007--eeons ago according to some impatient young 'uns.

  • Age discrimination
  • Posted by Nina Moliver at Northcentral University on December 22, 2008 at 5:05am EST
  • Isn't that funny! I was just going to post the idea of a class action lawsuit, and somebody just beat me to it.

    I think it's inevitable, once the statistics are out there, that someone somewhere will initiate a class action lawsuit.

    You can't prove that you were rejected because of your age, but you can prove that a given university systematically discriminates against older people, by comparing applications received to interviews given and people actually hired.

    Once a lawsuit like that is won, universities will have to start balancing out their faculties with older people in order to comply with the law. After all, that is how race and gender discrimination have been dealt with in our society. Those forms of discrimination still exist, but they aren't nearly as bad as they used to be.

  • Systems
  • Posted by Henst on December 24, 2008 at 7:25pm EST
  • Most searches in higher education are badly flawed. Conducted by amateurs, they permit--even encourage-- many types of bias. Long term, the best remedies may be legal. I'm not holding my breath, though. Higher education has been outsourced to adjuncts. Tenured and tenure-track faculty and administrators are too afraid, too uniformed, or too addicted to entitlement to speak up.

  • Age Discrimination
  • Posted by Eric Terzuolo , Adjunct Professor, Faculty of Political Sciences at University of Rome 3 on April 19, 2009 at 5:15am EDT
  • As a baby boomer who returned to teaching after 20-plus years of US government service, I certainly am getting the sense that age discrimination is a serious problem in the academic world and merits more sustained attention. When the American Historical Association (AHA) reissued its 1996 Advisory Opinion Regarding Age Discrimination back in December, I wrote a letter to the AHA, thanking them for the initiative and suggesting that the Association "could provide a forum for a sustained conversation among members on age discrimination, to develop a clearer picture of the situation and articulate the many diverse interests at stake." The letter just appeared in the AHA professional issues monthly, Perspectives on History, and is available at http://www.historians.org/Perspectives/issues/2009/0904/0904let2.cfm.