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January 13, 2009

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It's not like professors to think that they are so well compensated that it's not worth hoping for a $10,000 bonus. But out of more than 2,000 faculty members at Texas A&M University's main campus, only about 300 have agreed to vie for a bonus being offered for their teaching -- and all they would need to do is have a survey distributed to their students.

The reason for passing on a chance at $10,000 is that many professors are frustrated by the way the money is being distributed: based solely on student evaluations. Numerous studies have questioned the reliability of student evaluations in measuring actual learning; several of these have noted the tendency of many students to reward professors who give them higher grades. Further complicating the debate is a sense some have that the university is endorsing a consumerist approach to higher education. The chancellor of the A&M system, Michael D. McKinney, told the Bryan-College Station Eagle: "This is customer satisfaction.... It has to do with students having the opportunity to recognize good teachers and reward them with some money."

That comment didn't go over well with many professors who believe that their job responsibilities include -- at least sometimes -- tough grading, or challenging student ideas or generally putting learning before student happiness.

"That customer idea really, really bothers me," said Clint Magill, a genetics professor who is speaker of the Faculty Senate at College Station. "You can't buy the grade or the degree so how can we be the same as a consumer thing? It's like saying 'If you give us professors this much, you get your grade.' If we have any principles at all, it doesn't work that way."

University administrators have defended the plan and they point to research that they say shows student evaluations can be reliable. But the researcher who did the studies Texas A&M is citing said in an interview Monday that he never endorsed evaluations of the sort A&M is using or the way they are being used -- and that this all runs counter to his key findings.

Origins of the Idea

Many colleges and universities use student evaluations of teaching as part of faculty reviews, and students flock to Web sites like RateMyProfessors.com to see what other students say about instructors. But RateMyProfessors is at least theoretically not part of formal reviews, and official student evaluations tend to be used as just one part of a review of teaching. Programs like the one at Texas A&M are rare -- although the University of Oklahoma is doing a pilot project in its engineering and business schools with a similar bonus offer.

The idea of offering the bonuses has been talked up in Texas by the Texas Public Policy Foundation, a conservative-leaning think tank with ties to Gov. Rick Perry, a Republican. A&M officials started talking about the bonus idea after all of the university system's regents -- appointees of Governor Perry -- attended a seminar, organized by the foundation, during which the bonus idea was promoted.

An essay by the foundation's president, Brooke Leslie Rollins, argues that faculty members are too focused on research and need incentives to pay attention to students. In endorsing the idea of relying on student evaluations, Rollins writes that "research shows that students are excellent judges of learning, especially when deliverables for a course are clearly stated" and adds that the "current structure at Texas universities gives teachers very little incentive to strive toward excellence."

Then McKinney, the chancellor, sent a letter to all faculty members this fall telling them that the system was starting the program at three campuses -- College Station, Prairie View A&M and Texas A&M-Kingsville. McKinney asked faculty leaders to join with presidents in devising the form students would be given to evaluate the professors -- but many professors immediately balked, and the Faculty Senate at College Station specifically advised non-cooperation with the effort.

As time has passed, the university has taken steps that have improved the bonus plan -- even according to its critics. For instance, the university has decided not to have all faculty members who volunteer to seek the bonus compete against one another, but will instead have individual colleges' professors compete. This change responded to criticism noting that many science courses tend both to have lower grades and lower student evaluations. In addition, the university announced that these student evaluations would not be used for tenure or promotion purposes.

The questions that are being used in the reviews include the following (to which students respond on a five point scale): My instructor seemed to be knowledgeable about the subject matter. My instructor created a classroom atmosphere that was productive/conducive to learning. My instructor was enthusiastic about the subject matter of the course. I would take another course with this instructor, if possible, or recommend this instructor to other students. I recommend this instructor for a teaching excellence award.

Magill, the Faculty Senate speaker, said serious problems remain with the system. "Any evaluation of teaching that doesn't include some measure of learning has some real problems," he said. Magill said that there is nothing wrong with using student evaluations, but that they need to be examined not just for scores, but for context based on the course, the students, their achievement levels, and their success at mastering key skills. These concerns aren't just theoretical. A major study by Ohio State University in 2007 -- in which student reviews were linked to actual learning by examining students' grades in subsequent courses based on the course they reviewed -- found absolutely no correlation between student evaluations and actual learning.

What the Ohio State researchers did find -- as many other studies have found -- was clear correlation between the grades the students receive and those they give their professors. And that's another worry for Magill. "My biggest concern is the people who would be the worst teachers might think 'I can really raise my scores by improving grades.' They won't, but they'll mess up the grading system," Magill said.

What the Research Says

Frank B. Ashley III, vice chancellor for academic affairs at the A&M system, said that faculty concerns are understandable because "there is suspicion about anything that comes from the system office." But he said that the idea is to honor good teachers, and that professors will come to see that.

Ashley strongly disputed the idea -- widely held by researchers -- that student evaluations are not reliable and encourage grade inflation. He characterized the debate as unsettled. "You'll find studies that say it's true and studies that say it's not true," he said. Asked for a study that shows that student evaluations are reliable and don't encourage grade inflation, he said that the article he used in working on the policy was "Student Rating Myths vs. Research Facts," and was published in 1999 in the Journal of Personnel Evaluation in Education.

The author, Lawrence M. Aleamoni, is now retired as a professor of education at the University of Arizona. Reached Monday, he said that he did in fact show in his article that some student evaluations can be reliable. But he said that several parts of the Texas A&M policy run counter to his findings and recommendations.

For example, Aleamoni said that the only times he has found student evaluations to be reliable is when they are nationally devised and normed, and not when they are "home grown," as A&M's questionnaire is. Further, Aleamoni said that his research found that students may answer very specific questions about their professors reliably. But broad questions -- such as "Does this professor deserve a teaching award?" -- are the sort that students tend to answer based on student grades.

But Aleamoni said that even if his research suggests that some student evaluations -- designed in ways that differ from the Texas A&M approach -- can be reliable, he has always stressed that these evaluations should never be the sole basis for a decision about the quality of someone's teaching. "Students are only in a position to judge performance in the classroom," Aleamoni said.

Any real evaluation of teaching, he said, must include peer analysis of such issues as, "How well was the course designed? Are the materials current and up to date? Have they set up the right kinds of standards for the students?" And students aren't in a position to judge these things, he added.

Another Approach

Cary Nelson, president of the American Association of University Professors, said that the A&M system sounded like the idea of paying professors "by applause meter," which he said was offensive. "This corrupts peer evaluation, diminishes the faculty role, and encourages grade inflation," he said. "You give them A's and you get 10 grand."

At the same time, Nelson said that the idea of rewarding long-term commitment to teaching was something he applauded. He said it makes much more sense to design rewards that look at the long term and that feature a variety of measures, not just student reviews. The University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, where he teaches, has awards for teaching in which student evaluations are considered but only over the long term, and only with the recommendation of a department chair, who would not put forth a nominee known for giving everyone A's, or hold back on nominating a tough grader. Further, the award requires evidence such as work as a mentor, developing new courses and playing a leadership role on curricular matters.

There are different awards for different teaching levels, but the prize -- like A&M's -- is significant. Winners of the graduate teaching prize receive $5,000 in cash immediately and a recurring $3,000 boost in their salaries. (Nelson noted for full disclosure's sake that while he has not won this prize, his wife has.)

A process like the one used in Illinois means that long-term effectiveness is rewarded, and the process "lends authority to the award." The process at A&M, he said, "sounds like public relations."

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Comments on Faculty Pay 'by Applause Meter'

  • Required reading at A&M
  • Posted by RW on January 13, 2009 at 7:00am EST
  • "How to improve your teaching evaluations without improving your teaching." Psychological Reports, 1996, 78, 1363-1372.

  • Grade Inflation
  • Posted by Edwin Duncan , Chair, English at Towson University on January 13, 2009 at 8:25am EST
  • If there is no check for grades, then A&M had better get ready for a lot of professors giving all A's, because there is a definite correlation with high grades and high student evaluations. Also, by this system someone like Jeff Foxworthy would probably get the $10,000 bonus for any subject he taught (history, psychology, English, criminal justice, etc.) simply because students also give high marks to entertaining professors whether they learn anything or not. I predict this method of awarding merit won't last long. There will have to be some checks implemented.

  • Posted by Jim on January 13, 2009 at 8:30am EST
  • "research shows that students are excellent judges of learning" . . . What hogwash. Please show us the research. I hope the faculty at A&M fight this to the end.

  • Posted by Frank Kaner on January 13, 2009 at 8:35am EST
  • Here's an interesting way to solve two problems at the same time: Do a grid with teacher evaluations along one axis, and grades given along the other. Highest bonuses to those faculty with the lowest grades given yet highest evaluations; those with lowest evaluations and highest grades get nothing. The institution then awards remaining bonuses or incentives based on its own institutional priorities.

  • very sad
  • Posted by SG on January 13, 2009 at 8:40am EST
  • "Frank B. Ashley III, vice chancellor for academic affairs at the A&M system, said that faculty concerns are understandable because 'there is suspicion about anything that comes from the system office.'”

    If Frank B. Ashley III (and the others who are pushing for this) believe that faculty response is "understandable" as knee-jerk suspicion then no, he really doesn't understand.

  • Posted by Georgia , Dr. at University of Tennessee on January 13, 2009 at 8:50am EST
  • Student evaluations are a tricky measure, obviously. I have received some of my most glowing evaluations after semesters in which illness or family emergency has forced me to cancel classes, abbreviate assignments, etc. I felt that those semesters represented weaker teaching, but I believe, sadly, that my students appreciated all too much the class disruptions.

  • Backwards!
  • Posted by Blind Man on January 13, 2009 at 9:00am EST
  • "The questions that are being used in the reviews include the following (to which students respond on a five point scale):

    "My instructor seemed to be knowledgeable about the subject matter."

    "Seemed" is right.

    So a student who has never had any experience or training in a specific subject matter is to evaluate the effectiveness of instructors who has immersed themselves and mastered their subject matter, which is why the student is paying for the privilage to sit in the class in the first place???

    This particular question should never be on any survey instrument used by students to evaluate teachers. Only someone who knows the subject matter backwards and forwards should have the right to evaluate someone else who likewise understands the subject matter.

    Perhaps because I dissected a frog in bio I should have the right to pass judgement on someone who is instructing medical students in neurosurgury.

    Maybe popularity as a measure should only count for hollywood celebrities, not experienced, highly educated, committed faculty.

    BTW, I am readily available to perform any surgury these "administrators who attend board retreats with a political bent" might need...and I will take my bonus up front please.

  • Faculty Pay by Applause Meter
  • Posted by Anonymous One on January 13, 2009 at 9:05am EST
  • Nothing like encouraging professors to do their jobs according to what the student wants rather than what the student is there to learn! Really, are we in the classroom to be their friends and ensure their happiness at all costs and benefit monetarily ourselves or teach them the subject matter? What about those students who just are not happy no matter what you do? How about those students who just decide they do not like you and will ding you on your evaluation no matter what you've done right or to help them? Will that be taken into consideration at all? I've had classes where the vast majority are great evals, but one or two students are unhappy about something and ding me for their own deficiency. For example, the majority gave high markings for me explaining my expectations and office hours, yet one or two claimed they didn't know. Is that me as a professor or is that a reflection of the studnet not paying attention or utilizing their syllabus when needed. (The information is clearly spelled out there, gone over the first day of class, and reitterated periodically through the term!) Are they going to balance out the negative evals with the positive ones? Honestly, what are we coming to? Authority and classroom control will diminish. Some teachers will begin teaching with the primary goal of maintaining student happiness and approval rather than helping the student learn. Professional instructors will continue teaching with the goal of teaching the material. I suppose they could use this as a weeding out tool! Seriously, there has got to be a better way.

  • spoof!
  • Posted by math prof on January 13, 2009 at 9:10am EST
  • This is an April Fool joke, right? You're going to pay faculty members on the basis of what students answer to questions like "the instructor seems knowledgeable about the subject"?
    Students are good judges of how the material in a course is getting across to them -- as individuals, not on each others' behalf, though. But students have no way of judging whether they're getting cutting-edge ideas and data, or 20-year-old recycled graduate school lecture notes.
    Plato has an opinion on this subject too: it's like a doctor, who prescribes bad-tasting medicine, competing with a pastry cook, in front of a jury of children.
    Enough!

  • Student Evaluations linked to incentives
  • Posted by Joan Morris , Instructor at University of South Florida on January 13, 2009 at 9:20am EST
  • I believe that there is a tremendous need for the higher education structure to be more student focused. I consistently use student feedback to remold and revise course materials throughout the semester. I have found the interactions help me to build a better course each time. There should in addition to student opinion be a faculty peer evaluation and evidence-based educational practices in place. Thank you Scott for a great article!

  • Posted by disgusted prof on January 13, 2009 at 9:20am EST
  • First, reliability is not the issue, validity is. Reliability is consistency over people, measurement conditions, etc. Validity is the extent to which a measure does, in fact, measure what it is claimed to measure. A measure can be perfectly reliable and completely invalid. That is the case with, student evaluations of teaching, which, as the article notes, do not correlate with learning. What do they correlate with? They correlate very strongly with a teacher's physical appearance (see Hamermesh and Parker’s demonstration of the correlation between attractiveness and eval scores in the Economics of Education Review 24, 2005, 369-376) a teacher's willingness to give out high grades (see some of the articles in The American Psychologist issue on student evaluations is November 1997, Vol. 52, Issue 11 as well as some some followup articles in the November 1998 issue) and other factors completely unrelated to good teaching. As Prof. Ed said in response to this story when it broke in yesterday's issue of Inside Higher Ed., it is telling that administrators do not make their salaries contingent on what professors think of them.

  • Posted by Greg on January 13, 2009 at 10:05am EST
  • http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/

    need more be said?

  • student evals
  • Posted by Mark Oppenheimer on January 13, 2009 at 10:05am EST
  • This article I wrote for The New York Times Magazine may be of interest to people curious about the usefulness of student evaluations:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/magazine/21wwln-evaluations-t.html?_r=2&ref=magazine&oref=slogin

  • About Faculty Pay/by Applause
  • Posted by Krishnan Chittur , Professor at University of Alabama Huntsville on January 13, 2009 at 10:05am EST
  • Education is a business. There are cost-centers (schools/colleges departments). If revenue does not keep up with expenditure, we have a problem. Till recently, what universities and professors did was not challenged - the public at large trusted the universities and higher- education in general to do what they do best - teach well and pursue research best they can. That has changed.

    We, in HigherEd do have to take some blame for this mess. It is one thing to expect the public to pay for good people to teach/do research, it is quite another to expect the public to support the many, irrelevant and time-wasting activities that many universities do, while pretending to educate. Professor Bird of Wisconsin
    wrote about it in Chemical Engineering Progress a while back about how the business of research has outstripped the scholarship of research, and he should know.

    The simple fact is that we are competing for students, like Texas A&M is (and most other schools). The BIG schools, well known for many years have less to worry - they get more applications/interest and more people
    willing to dish out any money for attending their campuses - We do not have that uxury. The nature of students attending college has changed, a lot for the worse. These kids are used to a high stimulation environment, coddling from their parents and I would guess most have never been disciplined or made to work for their
    money or grades - so they expect learning to be fun and not too much work.

    With the exception of the good, confident students, most will resent instructors that are hard driving and push students to excel and keep demanding more and more. That is supposed to be our job, but it conflicts (often) with student perceptions.

    Texas A&M is doing what they think will bring them higher revenues while claiming that they are rewarding good teachers. Yes, it is possible for an excellent teacher to also be popular - but it is rare to have a tough taskmaster being loved for being a tough taskmaster.

    Once academicians leave the classroom/laboratory and ascend (perhaps descend is the right word) into other positions, they leave much of their common sense behind and become people that we can often cannot recognize. The words may be there but they are often not supported by what we actually see.

    I'll admit that running a university is not trivial. There are bills to pay and there is always that threat
    to the revenue stream. Yet, like Wall Street that has found out that financial engineering will not lead to real wealth, we in HighedEd will have to wake up and realize that perhaps many on our campuses do not deserve to be here and we need to send the message as to what they are capable or not capable of doing. It may be time to scale down, ask as to what the heck we are doing in many areas of the campus.

    Wall Street may have woken up, HighedEd will not.

  • Pay for grades?
  • Posted by formerccpres on January 13, 2009 at 10:50am EST
  • I understand and appreciate the faculty's hesitation to accept this particular plan, although there are evaluation systems that could be reliable for such a purpose. A bigger question to consider, however, is if student actually learn more from good teachers. If they do, then it would follow that they could have better grades BECAUSE the teacher is good. Wouldn't it be nice if every student could actually deserve an A?

  • Posted by Dr. Pepper , professor-in-training on January 13, 2009 at 10:50am EST
  • For something like this to work the right questions need to be asked and all the students need to have the same questions that they answer in order to give equitable praise.

    I've been in school for 10 years now (both undergrad and grad). I've taken a large number of classes in many departments and my institution seems to want to use different evaluation methods for different departments.

    As a student I have to say that I've met some brilliant faculty when it comes to their research. They write books, they are world renowned, they give lectures, and go to conferences. In the classroom they could not teach to save their lives.

    When I go into a classroom I expect that the faculty member lets me know what they expect from me and hold me to that standard. I expect them to know what they are talking about and to answer my questions. I also expect them to be able to teach and leave the classroom with a sense that I've learned x-y-z. If I leave the classroom and I did not learn despite putting a lot of effort into it, it's the professor's fault, and then they deserve the F on their report card.

    Universities are businesses. They are in the business of educating. If people leave the classroom uneducated (regardless of the grade their receive), the university has failed their customer.

  • training, education, etc.
  • Posted by George Gollin , Professor of Physics at University of Illinois on January 13, 2009 at 11:05am EST
  • Krishnan Chittur wrote: "Education is a business... it is quite another [thing] to expect the public to support the many, irrelevant and time-wasting activities that many universities do, while pretending to educate."

    I'd say that "training" rather than education is a business, in which the student-as-consumer's expectations are reasonably clear: to obtain a credential which will lead to employment. I think it likely that the content of the program is unimportant to most consumer-students, relative to the outcome-- landing a job.

    We provide a mix of training and education to our university students. We do not expect them to be wise enough to understand the difference between training and education, especially since so much discussion of the benefits of a university education they have heard have concentrated on personal economic advantage. That's OK-- we slip in as much education as we can, in hopes of opening their eyes to the amazing ideas in the world. What high school senior would have thought that it'd be interesting to know of the connection between creole languages and neurophysiology, or the dark matter that binds our solar system into the Milky Way? But, based on conversations with parents of my students, my sense is that the majority are most concerned with the training aspect of the college experience. Very few discuss the enrichment of the interior life effected by time at the university.

    Really, the expert faculty is going to be the best judge of what might thrill our students. I still think about the things I learned about western music, linguistics, psychology, and literature as a college student. That was part of my education, and I couldn't have known enough at the time to determine these were not "irrelevant and time-wasting activities." I trusted my professors' judgment about how they might educate me; it worked pretty well.

  • In response to "Dr Pepper"
  • Posted by Krishnan Chittur , Professor at University of Alabama Huntsville on January 13, 2009 at 11:05am EST
  • Universities help educate students. We are all learners, all the time - yes, even faculty. Much of what we know as learning is self-imposed with the teacher as the guide, mentor. Teachers will take students to the water to drink, teach them how to drink, but they cannot make them drink. Failure to be educated does not equal failure of the teachers. Yes, there are terrible teachers who may be outstanding researchers, but I'd take a poor teacher and a scholar any day over a teacher who may be great at some level, but unable to see the larger picture that I would like to be exposed to and propel me to seek that larger goal.

    A great researcher will propel students to seek and shoot high than low - their expertise will remind students of the enormous world out there and how much there is yet to be discovered. A teacher of elementary concepts and ideas while tremendously helpful can never grow beyond his/her expertise OR propel students to go far - unless he/she has the wisdom to remind students of his/her own ignorance in many ways and encourage the students to continually seek knowledge

    Universities are businesses. They are in the business of educating. If people leave the classroom uneducated (regardless of the grade their receive), the university has failed their customer.

  • annoyed liberal with high standards
  • Posted by Hugh , professor on January 13, 2009 at 11:30am EST
  • We can't trade grades for sex, but now we can trade them for money. Don't you love conservatives?!

  • re: Money for Evals
  • Posted by Peter C. Herman , Professor at SDSU on January 13, 2009 at 11:30am EST
  • Dr. Pepper writes: "If people leave the classroom uneducated (regardless of the grade their receive), the university has failed their customer."

    As "Dr. Pepper" will soon realize, if he or she has not done so already, what students take from a classroom is largely dependent on what they put in. As I've often said on this site, the problem with the wholse assessment movement, as applied to higher education, is that it leaves out the student's responsibility for his or her own learning. Students are not passive vessels, to be made or marred by their professors. If they leave the classroom "uneducated," then I'd look as much at their behavior (did they do the reading? ask questions? seek help outside of class?) as at the professor's skill in teaching.

  • Thanks Frank
  • Posted by Joe on January 13, 2009 at 11:35am EST
  • I just want to say thanks to Frank Kaner for one of the most interesting comments I've seen on course evals in a while.

    Frank's idea makes intuitive sense because the very best classes i ever had were ones where I was challenged and didn't get an easy A. Can we get at teaching quality where the course grade is low yet the evaluation grade is high?

    If anyone knows of research aimed specifically at that idea please post it. I'm going to crunch some of our data and see what it looks like.

  • What next...
  • Posted by Perry , Assoc Prof at EMU on January 13, 2009 at 11:45am EST
  • What next...a tip jar at the podium?

  • Bonuses for popularity
  • Posted by MAT , Prof. on January 13, 2009 at 11:55am EST
  • At my university, the faculty union contract prohibits any adverse decision against a faculty member based solely on student evaluations.

    Also, there's little doubt that good student evaluations corelate to high grades. The notion that research on this is "inconclusive" is sheer nonsense.

  • Posted by Dr. Pepper , professor-in-training on January 13, 2009 at 12:00pm EST
  • I realize that students have a role to play in either educational outcomes. I can't tell you how many times I've rolled my eyes at students complaining that a faculty member gave the a bilbiographic citation for an article that they needed to read and student complained to no end that the (newly appointed) faculty member did not print out the articles and provide it to the class.

    Students are culpable, but faculty members need to know how to teach.

    I tend to view course evals as amazon reviews. You tend to give more weight to thoughtful evals rather than ones that just say "this professor stinks!". If you have a negative review that is very well articulated, then you give that more weight than the ones that say "he stunk!"

    I may see a product get 3 starts on amazon, but one person who gave it 5 stars wrote the review well, and the person that gave it 1 didn't bother reading the manual. Course evals are the same for me. I give thoughtful evals and I encourage other students to do the same.

  • Grades and Student Evaluations
  • Posted by roger frantz , Professor at San Diego State Univ on January 13, 2009 at 12:00pm EST
  • It is my (30 year) experience at San Diego State (Economics department) that higher grades do not automatically result in higher student evaluations. The most glaring cases I've dealt with are high grades and low student evaluations.

  • New Technology vs. Old Stupid Administrators
  • Posted by Stubbornly Rational on January 13, 2009 at 12:25pm EST
  • The Texas A&M plan to "reward good teaching" is a natural outcome of an evolutionary process I've witnessed over my 30+ years in the professoriate.

    I predicted 15 years ago that eventually something like the Texas A&M plan would occur. Give administrators some numbers, no matter how meaningless, and they'll insist on using them.

    In what other line of endeavor do you see completely unqualified people allowed to submit completely anonymous job performance ratings on someone who has just evaluated them? Anyone with even the vaguest sensitivity to fairness or intelligence can see how stupid this is.

    Modern technology offers some surprising opportunities to improve the process. Some suggestions:

    1. Perform evaluations online. Students sign on using their university ID.
    2. A central clearinghouse will maintain a record of the identity of the evaluator, and consequently the student's grade in the course can be linked to evaluations. (Professors will never see this.)
    3. All substantive comments can be linked to the student. Comments of fact ("The professor missed half the classes.") or abusive statements ("The professor is an ugly, witless hag.") may be subject to disciplinary action.

    Using the informational database available from the simple changes I suggest, administrators could:

    a. Factor grades out of evaluations.
    b. Not allow poor students to have a say in the evaluation process. It is insanity to allow a D student who cut 50% of the lectures to evaluate how "coherent" a professor's presentations were.
    c. Factor prior interest out of ratings.

    As an expert in research methodology, I've always been suspect of teaching evaluations.
    My own experiences have confirmed my suspicions.

    I teach a technical subject in a college of education. I formerly taught the same subject in a college of arts and sciences. Both universities are outstanding institutions, among the 20 best in North America.

    In my previous position, I was very highly rated by students, consistently receiving ratings in the 4.4-4.6 range (out of 5). My RateMyProfessor.com ratings were so effusive they made me blush.

    In my current position, I teach primarily education majors in what I would call a "humanistic" program. They are required to take my course, and many of them hate it. They just aren't interested.

    There is a "prior interest" item on the evaluation, and the average is about 1.9 out of 5.

    When I arrived here, my ratings dropped instantly into the 2.9-3.3 range. Despite major attempts on my part to improve the quality of my teaching, and appeal to the interests of these students (without dumbing down the material), the ratings have improved only slightly.

    By any objective standard, my materials are better, my effort is higher. But try as I might, I can't get the ratings back above 4.

    If I were an assistant professor, I'd have no hope of getting tenure here because of my "inadequate teaching" determined solely by the comments of disinterested students who demand to be coddled and entertained. Their performance on exams, by the way, is just fine. They are learning as much as my students at the previous institution did. They just hate having to learn something they don't want to learn.

    Did I go from being inspiring, a legend, cool, and brilliant to being incompetent and impossible to understand? Not at all. Students here are from a different demographic (lots of Asians in my previous place, almost none here), and a substantial number are not open to being taught or challenged.

    My conclusion? As presently run, course evaluations are a fraud used to prop up yet another useless administrative class.

    By the way, why aren't professors allowed to place verbal comments on a student's transcript? ("Aaron was observed sleeping during lectures on a consistent basis.")
    Oh, I get it. Students are important and can be trusted, professors are neither.

  • Instructional Net Worth
  • Posted by Bill on January 13, 2009 at 12:30pm EST
  • Gee! I can’t see how many different ways this idea can go wrong. Student evaluations are flaky at best. Eval. ratings are subjective and generally have no real basis for scoring. This is tantamount to awarding student grades by popularity. A trip to RateMyProfessor.com says it all. My question is… how much is the chili pepper award worth???

  • Posted by Chad Black , Assist. Prof. at University of Tennessee on January 13, 2009 at 12:50pm EST
  • I teach Latin American History, which has a very small natural audience in Knoxville. Almost all of my students are there to fulfill a college or departmental requirement. Some of my junior colleagues and I have frequently discussed how the "foreign-ness" of one's subject can affect evals. Here, it is much easier to have enthusiastic, attentive students for classes on, say, the Civil War or the 1960s than it is for those of teach Asia, Africa, and Latin America. It appears anecdotally, at least, that evals do track these differences.

  • An Expert's Opinion on Faculty Pay by Applause Meter
  • Posted by Roderick Bell , Adjunct Professor at College of DuPag on January 13, 2009 at 1:06pm EST
  • All those mercenary individuals, whom the many call Sophists [Professors] …teach nothing but the opinion of the many, …and this is their wisdom. I might compare them to a man who should study the tempers and desires of a mighty strong beast who is fed by him--he would learn how to approach and handle him…. Good he pronounces to be that in which the beast delights and evil to be that which he dislikes. --Plato. THE REPUBLIC (Jowett), Book VI.

  • Re: Stubbornly Rational
  • Posted by Krishnan , Professor at University of Alabama Huntsville on January 13, 2009 at 1:20pm EST
  • Thanks for that.

    Yes, "change" has been anticipated in HighedEd, it has come via Texas A&M.

    Things happen to people when they leave the classroom and they sit in some room, looking at some numbers and planning how to do create ever more numbers while figuring out how to increase their own numbers.

    College Presidents are "CEO"'s - often hired for their ability to keep the business going - and many do that, with salaries to match. And of course there are always politicians somewhere looking for help to get reelected - so can use "education" to keep colleges and college professors in line using students and student evaluations.

  • Option B
  • Posted by Navel Lint on January 13, 2009 at 3:05pm EST
  • This is partially the faculties fault in that some have abdicated so much of the academies power to "others" that almost anyone can have input about the job the faculty is doing, even when they don't have a clue. Of course, others make power grabs to reduce faculty influence for far more greedy reasons.

    If more professors just started giving an F to all students who really deserve it, rather than trying to curve or pander, there would be many fewer left to do the kinds of thoughtless surveys that "bottom line" focused administrators invent.

    The students that flunk out because they really can't do the work, or are too lazy, would have to go back to a workforce training program, and those who remain might be more serious about doing a substantive evaluation.

    The ivory tower has been gone from most colleges for a long time, and many never even had a tower. If college is to remain a meaningful experience, then in my estimation faculty must 'push back" harder then ever to regain some of the lustre that has been lost.

  • We're Talking about Bonuses Here
  • Posted by Jane S. Shaw , President at John W. Pope Center for Higher Education Policy on January 13, 2009 at 3:25pm EST
  • Texas A & M is not planning to base all salaries on student evaluations! This is an experimental project to create teaching incentives. The fundamental goal, I believe, is to encourage the best teachers to teach more students. Surely everyone wants that.

  • "Bonuses"
  • Posted by Krishnan , Professor at University of Alabama Huntsville on January 13, 2009 at 6:30pm EST
  • Teachers should become better, the better ones should teach more students, the worse ones should be sent a message that they need to improve. No one will dispute that, I certainly will not. The issue is How - and the idea of using student evaluations to determine bonus is crazy and simply the wrong way to go (IMHO).

    Michelle Rhee is trying to clean the DC school system and improve instruction, student learning - I hope she succeeds no matter what the opposition may be. Many universities and professors in such need to examine what they do, how they do and get better at it. Again, not many will dispute that either.

    Someone said that faculty ought to speak up and make their views known. I agree. It is critical that we do, even when the opinions are ignored. Difficult opinions should be expressed, even as they may be ignored. The sad thing is that there are always attempts to find simple solution and of course they need to happen RIGHT AWAY. That is, there is no patience or an understanding of the change in the STUDENT population and a steady drop in the quality of those that attend colleges (no matter what the SAT/ACT scores say).

    Faculty ought to be consistent in their approach in class - in the rigor with which they teach, test, advise, mentor, help. The ones that sit around and read SIE scores and make judgements about teaching effectiveness have no idea what they are doing. Worse, they have often NO idea what "good" is in good teaching. That while student opinion can be requested and looked at, they are never the end-all and should NEVER, EVER be the basis for key, critical decisions about faculty performance. There are other ways (as many have noted, particularly one poster who said he went from great to abysmal when the class composition changed).

  • Posted by L.H. on January 13, 2009 at 6:35pm EST
  • I taught at A&M for a few years, and let me tell you that the evaluations include a question asking students if they feel they worked too hard. And the harder they feel they've worked, the lower the professor's score! It was infuriating. But this is madness. Now professors will get paid more for assigning less work.

  • Frank Has It Right
  • Posted by Eric Brandon on January 13, 2009 at 8:10pm EST
  • I also think that Frank Kaner is onto something by saying that the really good professors get high evaluations in spite of being hard graders. I was advising a student one time and suggested taking a course from Professor X. The student said that Professor X was "awesome." I suggested that we sign the sudent up for another course. The student said, "No way. Professor X was so hard."

    I had other reasons to think highly of Professor X as a teacher, but this incident gave me even stronger evidence.

  • Student Ratings
  • Posted by Jerome Epstein at retired on January 14, 2009 at 3:00pm EST
  • I have been burned by the silliness of taking student ratings too seriously quite a few times, and I know many others who have been also. It is impossible to convince me that the way these things are widely used does not constitute an enormous pressure to lower standards.
    My view is that students who are both well motivated to learn and well prepared are excellent judges of teaching. Students whose primary motivation is to get through and get a degree with the least possible effort and ignoring their lack of preparation (another enormous problem, especially in math and physical science) are the worst possible judges of teaching. Their ratings tend to run quite opposite to the quality of the teaching.

  • it isn't applause
  • Posted by Howard Solomon on January 14, 2009 at 3:20pm EST
  • It's human consideration. Oppenheimer, in his comments, mentions that "what students are really evaluating is less pedagogy than whether a professor is funny, handsome or, above all, an easy grader." Probably true that pedagogy is not the major consideration. But more than entertainment value, students have a need to be treated with respect. When the funniest teacher on the staff locks a student out of class for being one minute late, that's not so funny. What students want is to be considered real people with real situations that demand empathy and consideration. Those teachers who are entertaining only to the students who consistently toe the line will be evaluated well by that same set of students. But for the student whose child had to be walked to school after missing a bus, a simple recognition that this is a part of the human condition will win points with that mother who also HAPPENS to be a student. Could that recognition imply an extra day's extension on a paper? Sure! Don't forget that the goal is to enable a student to write a paper about the subject rather than to get them to conform to a timetable. Toughness needs to take the path of demanding that thought processes are undergone - not that shoes are worn out at the right frequency.
    The point is that the student rating scale is unfairly portrayed here as being about entertainment. Students, however, are aware that they are in college to learn. And they applaud those members of the faculty who take the steps required to enable the learning to happen. Making the lecture lively works because it compensates for students' tendency to let attention wander. A lively lecture is better than a dull one. But more important, an attended lecture is better than one not attended. And respect is much higher on the scale than abuse.
    Easy grades are valued by students when the ease comes from having been given better coaching or 5 extra minutes to solve a math problem. When the ease comes from having the problem omitted, students recognize they they are being robbed of the valued education they are paying for.

  • Student Recognition of Learning
  • Posted by Robert Leopard on January 14, 2009 at 3:40pm EST
  • What I haven't seen in this forum or heard from colleagues except my wife is an evaluation of the information students have about how much they have learned.

    They are new to the subject matter and will complete the course without understanding the depth or breadth of the subject. Their sole “objective” measure of how much they learned is the grade they received. If you give them an A, then clearly they learned a lot. Another student, given a C by a different professor will feel that he learned less whether or not it is true. Therefore the students can attempt to give an honest evaluation but the information on which they base their evaluation is flawed.

    There may be good things learned in student opinions of faculty, but it’s not going to be about learning.

    The most common disconnect that I have witnessed between what students have learned and what they think they learned comes from professors who tell students exactly what will be on the test. The students do very well on the tests and honestly believe that they have learned the material while in fact they have likely gained absolutely nothing of use. I saw a class set up in such a fashion that the students could get an A by learning 38 facts. Although much more work was “assigned”, the students were told in advance which 38 things would be on the exams.

    I recently read of someone saying that asking students what they expect to learn in a course is like asking someone what they are going to order in a new Zambian restaurant before they’ve seen the menu. As professors we “make up the menu” and then tell them how much they enjoyed the food.

  • Posted by Michele on January 15, 2009 at 5:00am EST
  • Teaching and learning should never be based on a popularity contest! I for one, would not appreciate a teacher inflating my grades in hopes of a good evaluation and a $10,000 bonus. I would feel betrayed or patronized. I really want to learn something otherwise I wouldn't be investing the time & money! Teachers who have a consistantly high failure rate should obviously be investigated, but an unsuccessful rate such as that would speak for itself.

  • Rethink Evaluations
  • Posted by Incredulous at University of Toronto on January 15, 2009 at 3:05pm EST
  • Since when does it make sense to solicit student evaluations after marks have been submitted? In my faculty, evaluations are done with the professor out of the room prior to final assignments/exams. The prof doesn't get to see them until after marks are submitted.

    The most valuable aspects are the qualitative commentary which are reviewed with the professor by her/his department chair, and are strongly considered for tenure and promotion.

    Quantitative evaluations, and non-context questions (Did the prof seem to know the material? Compared to whom? Did the course meet your expectations? What were the student's expectations in the first place? And so on) are problematic for lots of reasons, thereby making the bonus for good evals problematic.

    In my teaching, I offer my students an additional, voluntary evaluation for which they respond directly to me. I ask questions like, "if a friend told you they were planning to take the course, what advice would give them?" and "What do you wish you knew before you took the course that you now realize?" They can respond either anonymously or with their name, and I don't read the responses until I submit the marks. And guess what? Based on the trust that developed between the students and I during the semester, I get honest (sometimes brutally honest) answers without the students fearing for their marks.

    Trust among students and teachers. What a concept!

  • incredulous
  • Posted by DFS on January 15, 2009 at 4:15pm EST
  • Great idea!

    But, I assume then that you are able to submit paper evaluations to the students, and then leave the classroom.

    How about on-line evaluations? How can you fit these great questions in for them there?

  • Posted by txsag09 , The evaluations are a joke. on January 16, 2009 at 5:00am EST
  • As a current student at Texas A&M, I can tell you these evaluations are a joke. While I believe that student feedback is important and can be of great value to the professors, I think the current system and the way in which it is administered is flawed. There needs to be more depth in an evaluation than A, B, C, or D and part of the burden of creating a “productive atmosphere,” which is one of the measured items, needs to be shifted to the student. I know several students that graded professors poorly because the work was rigorous and they did not want to put forth any effort. It would be great if you could force the student to critically analyze their own performance and then evaluate the professor. Personally, I think the first question on the evaluation should be something along the lines of…..What could I have done AS A STUDENT to make my class experience more productive and meaningful? There needs to be sense of shared responsibility. Anyway, that’s my take as a student.

  • And, another thing, ...
  • Posted by DFS on January 19, 2009 at 12:20pm EST
  • I invariably receive such evaluations saying that I was too hard and too demanding.

    Then, the former students travel back to me and tell my that my tasks more than helped them to anticipate, and answer, their future tasks.

    My evaluations from them say that I was way too hard on them.

    But I thank God that they say that I was too hard, but fair.

    Mission accomplished.