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The Impact of 'Time to Degree'

January 30, 2009

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The most logical reason to focus on "time to degree" for doctoral students is that most of them say they want to finish -- and most graduate departments say the same thing. People are happier and programs are more efficient.

But a new national study suggests another key reason -- at least in social science disciplines: Those who finish earlier than others do are more likely to land jobs on the tenure track. Of those in the national sample whose first job was on the tenure track, the median time to completion of Ph.D. was 6.5 years. For those whose first job was an academic position off the tenure track, the median time to completion was 7.5 years.

The data are from "Does Time-to-Degree Matter?," a new analysis of the "Social Science Ph.D.'s -- Five + Years Out" project, which has been yielding a series of insights into the path students take in graduate school and beyond. The work is done at the University of Washington's Center for Innovation and Research in Graduate Education and is based on national data on doctorates in anthropology, communications, geography, history, political science and sociology.

Maresi Nerad, director of the center and associate graduate dean at the university as well as principal investigator on the research, said that the finding has several possible implications. One is that those doing the hiring view "time to degree" (fairly or not) as an indicator of quality. She said that the findings can suggest inappropriate considerations (favoring younger candidates) or skepticism about whether someone taking a long time to finish a dissertation may also take a long time to finish a first book or other research projects.

While Nerad's research has stressed the importance of helping graduate students finish in a timely manner, she said that hiring departments' preferences could play out in good or bad ways if they influence doctoral students' behavior. To the extent that students are motivated to get through on time (and that departments help them do so), it's all for the good, she said. But if this encourages students to pick only "safe" topics -- those assured of a reasonably timely completion -- for dissertations, that's not so good.

Other findings from the new analysis support the idea that graduate programs need to spend more time on helping graduate students prepare for their careers -- not just their dissertation defenses. In surveys of Ph.D.'s wherein they evaluate their programs, those who finished doctorates sooner than others were more likely to give "excellent" rankings to both their mentoring and training and also to "professionalization" activities, which include programs to prepare graduate students for careers (both finding jobs and being socialized into academic life).

Those findings are important, Nerad said, because they show that professionalization need not lengthen the duration of a graduate program. Some professors who believe a doctoral program should focus strictly on academics have suggested that adding programs to help with jobs could delay dissertation completion -- and Nerad said the data suggest otherwise.

In addition, Ph.D. recipients gave higher marks for overall satisfaction to programs with professionalization activities than to those without.

Nerad stressed that the reasons any individual doctoral student completes a program in a set time period relate to a variety of factors -- both personal, those that relate to the student's project, and those that relate to the program. But it's also clear, she said, that for many people "time to degree can be an indicator of program quality."

Looking ahead, Nerad said that some fields may see changes in the duration of programs because of the economic downturn. In fields in which job prospects in academic appear bleak, especially in the humanities, graduate students may "opt to stay a little longer."

But in fields in which there are good non-academic jobs, or where postdocs have become the norm prior to permanent employment, the shifts may be minimal, she said.

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Comments on The Impact of 'Time to Degree'

  • Quality of program or quality of candidate?
  • Posted by JustThinking on January 30, 2009 at 7:45am EST
  • A certain amount of prestige bias aside, hiring committees don't hire originating programs; they hire individuals. Perhaps the full study does a better job of tying time-to-degree (TTD) to program quality, but the data presented here really only relate TTD to candidate quality.

    It is very likely that the stellar candidates from ALL programs are more apt to graduate sooner than their peers AND that they are more likely to be hired into tenure track positions.

    Indeed, I wouldn't be surprised to find that many of those who took longer did so because they found out in the middle of their programs that they did not, in fact, WANT a career as an academic researcher. (I imagine that would not help one's motivation.)

    The use of tenure-track positions as a measure of success and TTD as the independent variable may, therefore, also say more about candidate quality and reasoned self-selection than about program quality.

  • Many factors in TTD
  • Posted by Steve on January 30, 2009 at 8:45am EST
  • There are far more factors in TTD than motivation of the student or quality of the program. Motivation of advisor, particular discipline, difficulty of topic--all these and more must be taken into consideration. For example, a dissertation in psychology or education might only take two years, whereas a dissertation in medieval history might take five (my case, due to slowness of advisor and having to read lengthy documents in several languages).

    And TTD isn't the only consideration in hiring, obviously. Many factors go into that--needs of the hiring institution, quality of the hiree's research and teaching, and, dare I mention them, such things as age, race, and gender.

  • Selecting the Independent Variable
  • Posted by Gerald Sroufe , Director of Government Relations at American Educational Research Association on January 30, 2009 at 8:56am EST
  • The actual survey conducted to produce these findings is more comprehensive and interesting than the particular compenent highlighted here. However, the problem of selecting a theoretically vague independent variable, in this case time to completion, is always troublesome. The hypotheses suggested by the authors to explain their results, which the study actually begins to explore, appear theoretically richer and more policy relevant than the main variable selected. There is much more to explore about capacity building in graduate degree programs.

  • Job=Completion
  • Posted by Laura on January 30, 2009 at 9:35am EST
  • The relationship between TTD and TT jobs can also work the other way. I know a number of people who get TT jobs while they are ABD and this reality can cause/inspire? the advisor, committees, and candidates themselves to finish more quickly than they might have otherwise.

  • Posted by Been there on January 30, 2009 at 10:35am EST
  • Laura is absolutely right. The logic here is reversed. Getting a TT job motivates the completion of the dissertation. There is no reason to be finished and without a job. What Ph.D. students in social sciences in their 6th year and beyond do is applying for jobs, but also writing articles and trying to publish them, but not finishing unless they have that coveted offer. From the point of view of a hiring committee, all things being equal, a candidate who is in his 8th year (and probably publishing) looks better that someone who got Ph.D. two years ago and is teaching as an ajunct in a local community college.

  • Posted by Perry on January 30, 2009 at 11:30am EST
  • The purpose of a dissertation is to demonstrate competence in research, not to make some earthshaking discovery. It is better to do this with a "safe" topic than to select a risky one because the goal is to acquire skills and reach a position where one's real program of research can begin (with appropriate resources). An advisor that permits a student to pursue a risky topic is either uninvolved or not competent, in my opinion. A dissertation is training performed by a student, not professional research performed by a mature scholar. As several studies have demonstrated, the best creative products occur when one has been in the field approximatly 10 years.

  • Moderating variables?
  • Posted by kcmeredith on January 30, 2009 at 2:05pm EST
  • I would be interested to read whether the relationship between time-to-degree and jobs are moderated by factors like:

    (1) WHY the student chose to seek a PhD
    (2) Whether the student is receiving funding

    These two factors, in particular, seem like they could have a significant impact.

  • $$ matters, too
  • Posted by Melissa on January 30, 2009 at 3:50pm EST
  • Being a supportive department also means adequate funding. TTD is severely impacted, particularly in the humanities, by the need to find income, either through TA'ing, an outside part-time job, or even adjuncting while an ABD. It's difficult to finish the research for a dissertation when one is worrying about how to pay rent, much less find time to do research!

  • Dissertaton quality
  • Posted by Ivan on January 30, 2009 at 3:50pm EST
  • Perry hit the nail on the head!
    A dissertation is not supposed to be an individual's seminal work. It's supposed to show that persons COMPETENCE in doing research in that particular field. Many students are held for long periods of time because they have committees who believe that a dissertation must have 2-3 articles that can be published in top tier journals. That philosophy is not only ridiculous but, detrimental to the students future.

  • Posted by Anonymous on January 31, 2009 at 12:20pm EST
  • It's unfortunate and elitist that most people are stuck in the mindset that anything other than a tenure-track job must be failure.

  • Posted by Eternal Adjunct on January 31, 2009 at 8:50pm EST
  • Good point, anonymous!

    I'm amazed that TTD is used as a factor in hiring, when so many reasons for TTD have nothing to do with the student's academic capability. A friend of mine took forever to get his dissertation done because the advisor didn't want his lab boy to go. Apparently this prof had a rep for "hanging onto" his students. My friend had to go up the food chain to get his dissertation signed off...a year after he was actually finished. He nearly lost his postdoc because of it.

    A candidate with 8 years TTD and working outside his field because he has to eat is NOT a loser. But many good candidates are treated in just that fashion.

  • Posted by KR , Associate Professor of English on February 1, 2009 at 10:40am EST
  • When I was finishing my degree, in the late 1990s, and seeking to do so relatively quickly (four years rather than six, seven, eight--as was common in my department), my dissertation advisor said, "hasn't anyone told you that you don't finish your degree until you get a job?" I was startled by this comment.

    I rejected this "advice" and finished anyway, and never looked back.