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February 10, 2009

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The number of Advanced Placement credits granted by Tufts University has jumped 32 percent in the last five years. During the same period, the percentage of submitted tests with the maximum score of five has grown by almost 26 percent. To some, this suggests the university is enrolling brighter students. To others, these figures show the potential for AP credits to diminish the value of college degrees.

Last week, Tufts’ Education Policy Committee -- a group made up of students, faculty and administrators -- recommended that the university limit the number of pre-matriculation credits that students can count toward graduation and restrict the use of these credits to fulfill entire distribution requirements. At Tufts, an average full-time course -- typically counted as three credits at most institutions -- is counted as one credit. The proposal would limit the number of pre-matriculation credits that a student could count toward graduation to five. As the average Tufts student enrolls with about three AP credits, though some enroll with five or more, the proposal is most likely to affect the large number of students who use their AP credits to place out of entire distribution requirements.

James G. Ennis, chair of the committee and sociology professor, said that the past year has seen much debate among the faculty about the transfer value of AP credits. He said many faculty members have questioned whether the substance of an AP test can truly replicate the value of face-to-face coursework at Tufts. Therefore, the committee has also asked that each of the university’s academic departments reevaluate the tests and scores it deems appropriate for the granting of college credit.

“If you read the recent College Board report, the phrase ‘college-level work’ is repeated over and over again like a mantra,” Ennis said. “What college? What level of college? Colleges aren’t all one thing. The idea that there is this easy-to-ascertain method of determining college-level work for all colleges in the United States is questionable. If it were up to me, I’d set [the proposed limit of credits] lower than five.”

Some students, however, find the proposal’s limit of pre-matriculation credits to five somewhat arbitrary and argue that the required AP test scores to earn credit should instead be increased for all disciplines.

“I felt the message this proposal sends is different from the one Tufts should be sending,” said Duncan Pickard, Tufts Community Union president and a junior history major. “What’s the difference between the fifth AP credit I receive and the sixth one? Instead, I think the focus should remain on limiting the allowable score to earn credit. This would make a statement about the academic quality we expect of a student.”

Though Ennis admitted that the limit of pre-matriculation credit to five is arbitrary, he noted it was “arbitrary in the way that a 90 percent is an A” and that Tufts’ “graduation requirement is 34 credits.” He noted that initial ideas to raise the AP score thresholds for earning credit across all disciplines were shot down by the committee.

“That presumes a five is a five is a five,” Ennis said of the test’s maximum score. “It presumes department aren’t in the best place to ascertain what signal is best relative to their discipline. It begs the question whether these scores are worth dealing with in the first place. Is five the god signal of academic quality, or is a four in calculus equivalent to a five in world history?”

The committee’s proposal also echoes some of the recent results of the College Board’s annual report – which noted that participation in AP tests was up across the board, but that were still gaps for certain racial and ethnic minorities. Instead of dividing up its AP-taking students by racial or ethnic groups, the proposal divided these students by the amount of aid they received from the institution.

Number of Advanced Placement Tests by Financial Aid Categories (2004-08 combined) at Tufts

  No Aid Low/Medium Aid High Aid
Number of Students 2,342 643 778
Average # of Test Scores Submitted 5.67 5.68 5.44
Average # of Credits Received 3.55 3.58 3.17

Source: Tufts University Education Policy Committee

Considering this data, Ennis said the committee accepted that there was “a modest socio-economic skew” to the AP credits awarded by the institution and noted that there was not “a level playing field as to who has access” to these tests.

Compared to some of its self-selected peer institutions, he noted, Tufts's proposed restriction of AP credits would still be relatively generous. Boston College and Williams College, for example, do not allow any AP credits to be used to reduce the number of courses required for graduation. Williams made this change last year. Other institutions with which Tufts compares itself cap the number of AP credits that can be awarded. For example, Wesleyan University allows students to count two courses toward graduation from AP credit, Washington University in St. Louis allows for five courses and Wellesley College allows for eight courses.

Ennis said he would like to see the university eventually wean itself completely off of counting AP credits toward graduation, noting that he did not think that the credits were comparable to college-earned credit. Still, he added that any changes to this policy would best be implemented slowly and that he was willing to reach a “reasonable compromise” in the meantime.

Many students, however, see the committee’s proposal to limit AP credits as placing an undue burden on them in already tough financial times. Last week, the Tufts Community Union Senate -- the student government body -- formally recommended that the university not make these suggested changes. The student resolution argued that changes to the AP credit policy would place a strain on already “high-demand introductory-level courses.” Noting that the current cost of an AP test is $86 and that a full semester at Tufts costs $25,700 -- five-and-a-half credits at $4,672 per credit -- it also argued that many students use AP credits to graduate early and thereby save money.

“Being able to graduate early with AP credits means saving money for a lot of students at Tufts,” said Scott Silverman, Tufts Community Union vice president and a junior biology major. “One of our primary concerns is that this could become a financial burden, changing the way students are forced to pay for education.”

Although Ennis said these changes might affect the “very small number” of students who attempt to accelerate their graduation by a full year, he pointed out that it might not affect those students who attempt to accelerate their graduation by a semester – or five credits, the proposed limit on AP courses.

Tufts undergraduate faculty will vote on the proposal later this month at their next meeting. Students and professors on both sides of this issue said they expect the measure to pass.

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Comments on Professors and Students Split on AP Credits

  • Posted by Judith on February 10, 2009 at 7:45am EST
  • The College Board is a private corporation, subject to no oversight or accreditation, that is selling college credits at $81/three. Why does any college accept them?

  • Posted by Casual observer on February 10, 2009 at 9:46am EST
  • First of all, what Judith said!

    Second of all, how does a place like Tufts brand itself, when it permits so much of the student's general education to be done in high school? Any high-cost college or university that accepts the proposition that anything in the high school setting should count towards its degree ought to have its head examined.

  • The GM of Colleges? Pricing themselves out of the Market?
  • Posted by Libertarian on February 10, 2009 at 9:55am EST
  • I can see a selective college raise the bar to 5 points on a AP, instead of 3 or 4, but to phase them out entirely is vile. Who do they think are? An US History 101 in a mega-auditorium, with a few sessions with a T.A. thrown in, at any college is not better than an AP. Would-be Primadonna colleges are threading on thin ice here, not just during this depression. For example, my oldest is applying to several excellent colleges, he's bright, has excellent grades, many APs, and was already accepted by several. Besides the insult of suddenly tossing aside his hard-earned points, there is also the financial implication. In April when we have to decide which offer to take, then whether the college takes a big chunk of his hard earned AP credits or not will definitely be a major facyor, besides the overall financial aid package, simply because I ain't no Donald Trump. I'm not the only hard-pressed middle-class parent. Of course, any college is free to go down the General Motors road, and have a screw the customer mentality.....just don't complain when you have to close.

  • Affordability issue
  • Posted by Craig Mulling on February 10, 2009 at 9:55am EST
  • I am a father of a high school sophomore who will likely complete as many as 10 AP courses in his high school years. We are looking at some of the more expensive liberal arts colleges because of the fact that my son's AP credits may translate to 1-2 fewer semesters of tuition. Given my modest pay as a community college faculty member, the financial aid package may be sufficient enough so that we can afford four full years of tuition. However, seven semesters of tuition, instead of eight, could be a deciding factor in terms of which college our family can afford.

    Many of the colleges appear to have a maximum range of 4-6 courses in which they accept AP credits. I would hate to see that maximum reduced in a significant way. I understand the educational quality issue but the financial realities are compelling as well. Certainly, in the case of mathematics, students achieving a "5" on the Calculus B/C exam should be place in the equivalent of Calculus III. As for a college's general education curriculum, it seems reasonable for the AP credits to have limited impact.

  • avoiding the issue
  • Posted by tom abeles on February 10, 2009 at 10:20am EST
  • Why reject AP on the basis of either the number presented or a 3rd party norming against their standards? Some schools do not accept SELECT AP's because they have found the quality of the student experience, eg math, is not sufficient for future work at the university.

    The same issue has been raised in the past with regards to transfer credits across universities where departments had to value the transfer based on many factors.

    Today, some 4 year public universities have to accept all community college credits in their state on par with the "u's" courses

    What we have here is the equivalence of a currency exchange where the ultimate exchange is credits for a diploma. Only, as described in the article, Tufts faculty and maybe the administration have decided that they don't want to swap AP for their credits based on some perceived arbitrary credit rating authority, regardless of the actual value of an AP course.

    Are three credits, art, philosophy, English the same as three credits, math, chemistry, physics, or biology? Are three transfer credits from univ X taken by a high school student under PSEO the same as an equivalent AP certified course or one granted through CIS? Do the professors even know, or the admins counting tuition dollars?

    Like those who invested in Wall Street securities rated by Moody and others, there is no real understanding of the underlying value. We are trusting or not the rating agency rather than doing our own due diligence. There is more going on here than a simple numbers game.

    What about virtual classes, classes where a student is one in 200 sitting in a lecture hall when a colleague gets the same material via pod-cast.

    The AP issue calls the question as to what is a "university" experience and what is the exchange rate between dollars, university credit and AP credit established by a 3rd party whether US News or The College Board and are they as reliable as Moody or AIG's reinsurance?

    One of the problems is that the decision on acceptance is at the admissions office after the faculty and others set some guidlines. Its been reduced to a formula, sanitized from any serious engagement of the faculty as to the value of a student's experience.

    Yes you can come to our institution, but you can only bring 3AP courses with you. Pick the 3 out of your 5 courses. Sounds like China which will only exchange so much in Yuan at a time.

  • Cash Cow
  • Posted by Daniel Bennett , Administrative Director at The Center for College Affordability & Productivity on February 10, 2009 at 10:52am EST
  • Parents, students and taxpayers are all suffering from the rise of college tuition in recent years. One way to reduce the overall cost is to encourage the use of AP credits (or some other measure of proficiency that has yet to be unveiled) so that students who are academically proficient in an area are not forced to sit through and pay for coursework that they have already mastered. It seems to me that Tufts may be worried about the cash cow of tuition revenue generation - large required intro courses instructed by underpaid graduate students or adjuncts. The marginal cost of providing such courses has to be approaching zero.

    There is no sense in holding back the academically advanced students and increasing their cost of degree completion, other than for the financial gain. Parents, such as "libertarian", need to voice their frustration by sending their children to schools which will provide the best value and part of that is accepting AP and transfer credits.

  • AP Exams
  • Posted by Gregg Anderson , Teacher at Tantasqua Senior High on February 10, 2009 at 11:00am EST
  • An interesting article-I am an AP US History teacher, and I would make the following observations:
    1. Institutions of higher ed should be allowed to make whatever determinations about AP exams they wish.

    2. The fact that an AP credit saves a student money is irrelevant. Either the course is valuable or it is not.

    3. A kid who gets a 4 or a 5 on an AP US History exam knows quite a lot of History. In my opinion an AP class, if it's well structured and taught can easily be the equivalent of a first year survey course. Our kids who come back tell us so- anecdotal (and self-serving) evidence, to be sure, but I believe it.
    4. I've often felt that best use for an AP credit is just that, advanced placement. It seems to me a student with a 4 or 5 (maybe even a 3) should be allowed to register for "Colonial America" of "Women in the 20th Century" or some such class.

  • Insularity 101
  • Posted by An Old Goat on February 10, 2009 at 11:10am EST
  • Note the hidden messages from faculty (Tufts, Williams & others) who want to restrict AP credit or other forms of prior learning: It doesn't matter if students actually know the material -- what matters is that our faculty get to teach. Students didn't learn it unless they learned it from us. Earning a degree from our institution has to be measured by purchasing and completing a sufficient number of our institution's courses, even if that comes at the cost of extra time and high expense to students and their families.

    So, by the same logic, why not also restrict transfer credit from other selective universities, too? Ivy's take note! Plus, let's carry this logic over to the achievement of tenure, too -- any faculty member already tenured at another university who joins the Tufts/Williams/etc faculty must have the clock reset and spend their first 7 years re-proving their merit because after all, they didn't earn it (learn it) here, did they?

  • Posted by Carrie on February 10, 2009 at 11:40am EST
  • Is this really the time to start counting less academic work that could shorten time to graduation and save valuable tuition dollars for students and their sources of aid? In my experience, AP classes are often more difficult than are general education classes, even at schools such as Tufts.

  • What is a university?
  • Posted by Tim Lacy on February 10, 2009 at 12:25pm EST
  • Mr. Abeles' comment gets closest to the issue at hand. He wrote: "The AP issue calls the question as to what is a “university” experience and what is the exchange rate between dollars, university credit and AP credit established by a 3rd party whether US News or The College Board and are they as reliable as Moody or AIG’s reinsurance?"

    Accepting AP credit constitutes a kind of devil's bargain. You might be helping the student financially, especially at higher-priced institutions, but you're hurting them in terms of maturation and the value of what they're there to earn: a degree.

    How? If college is ~only~ about intellectual ability and content regurgitation, then why not create a kind diploma test and forgo the experience of higher education all together? We could modify the GRE for this purpose, creating subject tests for each major.

    But we ALL know that higher education can't be reduced to a kind of Hirschean/Hernstein/Murray Cultural Literacy/IQ test. We also know that the business world, or the general employment market for those with degrees, expects more. What is that "more"? You can boil it down to a few key words that encapsulate larger, difficult to measure things: solid-to-above-average intellectual ~habits~, maturity, perspective, good judgment, ethical behavior, etc.

    If you allow, then, the AP monster to grow, you necessarily subtract from the other benefits that are supposedly inherent in credential holders from higher education institutions. In sum, AP growth can be seen as inversely proportional to the value of a college degree. With the growing incidence of prolonged adolescence, perhaps we're already there. Maybe only an MA or a PhD signifies the proper accumulation of harder-to-measure traits?

    In any case, I'm with schools like Tufts who are trying to limit the devaluation of their only claim on the education market: their unique product, a Tufts degree. - Tim

  • Posted by Jeffrey Mask , Professor of Religion at Wesely College on February 10, 2009 at 3:40pm EST
  • AP teachers at our local high school insist that they teach college-level courses. Their text books and assignments are not the same, nor do they have the credentials to get a college teaching job. They teach to a test, which their students routinely pass.

    If high school juniors and seniors are capable of college-level work, send them to college. A joint-enrollment program with a local community college would be preferable to, and have more legitimacy than, an AP course.

    A college education is not about the memorization of facts. It has more to do with the student's grappling with questions of meaning. That is why nothing beats, or compares to, face time with some crotchety old professor.

  • AP Credits
  • Posted by A Conservative on February 10, 2009 at 5:15pm EST
  • Anyone who thinks that a student who receives a 3 or a 4 on an AP exam necessarily knows much about that subject should think again. I have graded AP exams; they are graded on a curve and the College Board mandates that a certain number fit each point on the curve. That means that whatever the quality of the group of exams as a whole,the exams in the middle of the pack are awarded 3s, even if they all should receive 1s. Because more and more students, over a wider range of schools, are taking the exam, the scores signify less and less. Anything under a 5 should be suspect. I wouldn't give anyone college credit for an AP test grade if I had anything to do with it. The AP curriculum is often worthy, students can benefit in a number of academic areas (even when the curriculum can be fairly dogmatic or constricting), exams can show something to a college, if used as (expensive) added information for admission - but college credit, which is their actual purpose? I don't think so.

  • Posted by Judith , Apples and Oranges on February 10, 2009 at 6:50pm EST
  • Folks,

    Colleges give AP credit for the EXAM, not for a course. I don't try to speak for any subject but English--those exams don't BEGIN to measure what students learn in freshman comp. (And I have never heard of a freshman comp class that is taught in a lecture hall with a couple of hundred students.) Yes, I've scored both Language and Literature, and those hastily scrawled out essays are, indeed, correlated to the multiple-choice tests. We're routinely told "score higher" or lower to match the multiple choice exams. So some kid who's good at multiple choice tests can get out of a course that teaches the writing process, research, citation, etc.?

    And if you really want to save on your kid's college education, then do the first two years at your local community college. It's supposed to be about education, not buying credits. But I'm old fashioned.

  • AP's college-level claim in the eye of the beholder
  • Posted by Steve on February 12, 2009 at 5:25am EST
  • I have taught an AP class for the past three years, and the public school district that I teach in has had the largest increase of students taking Advanced Placement courses in the entire country.

    Our district has told the counselors to promote the AP program with scare tactics that they will not get into the college of their choice, the district has incentivized taking the courses with up to 4.5 G.P.A. credit, gotten rid of any type of restriction/recommendation to enter the courses, and the administrators have published our median G.P.A.'s in order to send the not-so-subtle message that we had better 'keep the students grades up'. In fact, I was told that I would be questioned 'if the class was too hard' based upon their G.P.A.'s.

    Not to mention, that our district is now finding students to fill a preordained number of sections for each AP class. 9th graders are now enrolled in multiple AP courses despite the developmental appropriateness of the reading, writing, and cognitive ability to get meaning out of the class.

    Besides, the AP test is really acting as a way of standardizing curriculum at a breakneck pace that eliminates meaningful discussions, and really acts to hold the teacher accountable regardless of the students in the class. (The College Board will take the cop out and say that they do not mandate how the curriculum is covered, but covering 36 chapters is clearly going to adjust the way the curriculum is covered.)

    These college-level classes are in the eye of the beholder, and grades are subjectively given when the instructor can curve assessments however they like to prevent raising administrators' ire, and preventing being punished with multiple preps in multiple classrooms.

    Not one of the AP classes that I took in high school, despite earning college credit (8), replicate the college experience of having to read, synthesize, and formulate my thoughts into meaningful written and verbal expression.

    In addition, universities' remedial courses are exploding, and universities are not going to want to lose the revenue from these introductory classes. If saving money is the goal, try dual enrollment at you local community college, and transfer into the institution that you would like your son/daughter to attend--not promote 10 mile wide, 2-inch deep curriculum, while claiming that your son/daughter is acing college in high school.

  • Posted by Anonymous Student on June 22, 2009 at 6:00pm EDT
  • Instead of restricting the amount of credit a student can earn, simply raise the bar as others have already suggested. Personally I feel the 1-5 system is inadequate to successfully evaluate a test. On some tests, one who attains a perfect score and one who scores a 40% will have a score differing by one, the former a 5, the latter a 4. An 800 scale like they have on the SAT Subject Tests is much more accurate.

    For those who believe AP is inadequate, the tests are specifically designed and muddled over for months to match the equivalent of a full-year study in that subject which is equivalent to not a 101 remedial-style class but rather something in the mid-100 level. Many classes with multiple levels such as Calculus BC and the Physics C classes are 200-level. Why have someone waste one or two or more years of their lives reviewing this material if he/she had an A in the class and a 5 on the test?

    For those who disagree that selling college credits for one test is absurd, please realize that in many cases 500 hours of study is behind each of those.

    Accepting AP credits awards kids for staying up into the wee hours of the morning in order to save time and money and achieve their goals at much faster rates.