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February 11, 2009

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At Boston College, the placement of Christian art, including crucifixes, in classrooms over winter break has stirred some intense discussions over that particular expression of the Roman Catholic (and catholic) university’s identity. And over whether it's undergoing an identity crisis.

“A classroom is a place where I am supposed, as a teacher, to teach without any bias, to teach the truth. And when you put an icon or an emblem or a flag, it confuses the matter,” said Amir Hoveyda, the chemistry department chair.

“For 18 years, I taught at a university where I was allowed to teach in an environment where I felt comfortable. And all the sudden, without any discussion, without any warning, without any intellectual debate, literally during the middle of the night during a break, these icons appear,” Hoveyda said.

Jack Dunn, Boston College’s spokesman, explained that the Jesuit institution first established a committee on Christian art in 2000. “The crucifixes in question have been brought back largely from students who have gone on immersion trips to Central and South America and to Europe.... The only thing that’s changed really is that in classrooms where crucifixes and iconography and posters hadn’t been present, an attempt has been made to place some form of Christian art and that effort was completed in January,” Dunn said. "The effort was to present Christian art in those remaining classrooms as a way of manifesting our pride in and our commitment to our religious heritage.

“My sense is that they knew there were a certain amount of classrooms that didn’t have any presence of religious art and so they waited until they had a critical mass that would enable them to place the artwork in those classrooms. And that’s the only reason it was done now," Dunn said. There are 151 classrooms.

The process was described by some as gradual, but one faculty member deemed it a “tsunami” of religious art that appeared in classrooms over winter break. And while most discussions on this matter have been private, opinions seem to run the gamut.

In a statement provided through Dunn, Rev. T. Frank Kennedy, chair of the committee on Christian Art, wrote (in part): “I suppose a question might be posed to Boston College as to what purpose this Christian Art serves? In a world that is pretty successfully driven by media (imagery) ours is a response that seeks to pose the age-old invitation of Christ to enter into love – a love that is made perfect in its unselfishness. John Paul II spoke of the crucifix on September 15, 2002 saying ‘It is the sign of God, who has compassion on us, who accepts human weakness, who opens to us all, to one another, and therefore creates the relation of fraternity.’ The Pope also went on to say that though this symbol has been abused in history, it is the Christian’s duty to reclaim that symbol as an invitation to love. An invitation to love, and an invitation to faith is exactly that, an invitation. One is not required to respond, one can decline, and one can have many reasons for declining the invitation, but to imply that a Jesuit and Catholic university is not free to offer this invitation is simply an impossibility.”

Father Kennedy, who is director of Boston College’s Jesuit Institute and a professor of music, continued: “For the identity of Boston College as a Jesuit and Catholic institution which we so proudly have inherited, and so happily transmit to the next generation of alumni/alumnae, impels us as John Paul also noted, 'to offer to share the deep desire we have of recognizing ourselves in the crucifix, and of seeing it, not as something that divides, but as something that is to be respected by all, and that in a certain sense can unify.’ ”

But Dwayne Eugène Carpenter, chair of the romance languages and literatures department and co-director of the Jewish studies program, said the placement of religious art is in fact divisive. These symbols, he said, are not neutral. "I think it's naive to believe that affixing crucifixes is going to fan the flames of religious devotion. On the other hand, it can have a negative effect on students" who might see them as creating an unwelcoming environment.

Carpenter, a professor of Hispanic Studies, said the issue was seriously debated in a recent meeting of the college’s department chairs (Boston College lacks a Faculty Senate at this point). He’d like to see an open forum addressing the subject. So far, he said, it’s been addressed mostly in private conversations, of which he's had many.

“I think there were many people who were upset. But my sense is the majority say, 'This is a Catholic school; they’re going to do what they’re going to do.' I would go on the record as saying, ‘It is true. It’s a Jesuit institution and as such it has every right to place images wherever it wants. It’s just that it’s not a very smart thing to do.' "

“I think it’s in an identity crisis,” Carpenter continued, of Boston College. “At the same time that it wants to proclaim its Catholic identity, it also wants to recruit the best. You can’t recruit the best by placing crucifixes in every classroom. You’re simply going to limit the number of people who will come here. And I’ve already heard of several faculty who have said, ‘You know, this is not a welcoming place, this is not the place that hired me, and I’ll be looking for a job elsewhere.’ ”

Carpenter added that he doesn’t recall any religious art in the classrooms from when he started teaching, in 1990. Hoveyda, the chemistry chair, said the same. He pointed out that much of his job centers around recruiting – faculty, graduate students, even undergraduates. “I can only tell you from my personal experience if I saw the same icon when I interviewed in December 1989, this place would not be under consideration for me. I’ve had several offers to leave. If I knew icons of this type would appear… I most likely would not have made the decision I did [to stay].”

Not every professor feels this way, of course. “Personally, while I deeply respect my university colleagues' right to disagree with the present BC policy, or whatever the present situation should be called, I think too much of a fuss is being made,” said Michael J. Naughton, the physics department chair. “In my opinion, we are undeniably both a catholic and a Catholic university, and there's plenty of evidence, and room, for both.”

The Observer, a BC student publication, originally published an article on professors protesting the crucifixes. The Heights, BC’s weekly student newspaper, approvingly noted the new crucifixes in its “thumbs up/thumbs down” opinion feature: “Upon returning from Christmas break, students may have noticed the new crucifixes in all academic classrooms. This thoughtful gift from the Jesuit community has been long overdue.”

Boston College likes to compare itself to another Jesuit institution, Georgetown University, which “has a crucifix in every classroom and that’s been true for at least a dozen years,” said John Glavin, a professor of English who leads tours, upon request, of Georgetown's iconography. While older Georgetown buildings always had crucifixes in the classroom, university officials made a conscious effort awhile back to add crucifixes to the newer classrooms that did not.

”It was not uncontroversial," Glavin said. "But one of the things that was done, which I think was done very sensitively, was the crucifixes, when they were added to rooms, were placed off-center. A number of faculty said they felt uncomfortable lecturing from the middle of the room, above which was a crucifix, for a broad number of quite respectable reasons. So the idea was in adding these crucifixes, they would be put in a prominent place -- not hidden away, but at the same time, not the place where all eyes would be directed when listening to a faculty lecture.

“There was some fuss and then the fuss died down and it’s never even mentioned now. It’s just sort of an ordinary part of the iconography of the place,” Glavin said.

Dan Kirschner, a professor of biology and the faculty adviser for Boston College’s chapter of Hillel: The Foundation for Jewish Campus Life, said he can see it both ways. “On the one hand, BC wants to be all-inclusive. On the other hand, they do things like this to make people feel not included. On the other hand, it is a Catholic university.” He added that in the lecture hall where he teaches, there’s a small sculpture of a mother and child (Mary and Jesus? – "I suppose," he replied. “Who else would it be?”) – as opposed to a crucifix. “Probably if a crucifix had been placed in my lecture hall, I might have felt more strongly about it not being in my lecture hall."

In addition to the placement of religious art in classrooms, Boston College’s committee on Christian Art has been involved with larger-scale art projects across campus, including two mosaics outside the registrar’s office -- "one of Dorothy Day, of Catholic Worker fame, the other of Pedro Arrupe, S.J. beloved former Superior General of the Society of Jesus who re-inspired us with his invitation to us to become 'men and women for others,'" Father Kennedy, the committee chair, explained. The university commissioned two sculptures: “Tree of Life,” by Peter Rockwell and "St. Ignatius Loyola" (the founder of the Jesuits), by Pablo Eduardo.

In terms of new non-Christian sculptures on campus, “There’s also one of Doug Flutie,” Kirschner said, referencing the famous BC quarterback. “Outside the sports complex.”

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Comments on Crucifixes in the Classroom

  • Posted by Lori on February 11, 2009 at 6:55am EST
  • Boston College is a Catholic institution. Wouldn't one expect to see Catholic religious symbols there?

  • Posted by Larry Gillis on February 11, 2009 at 7:35am EST
  • What part of "Catholic college" don't these whining academics get?

    And, best of all, a crucifix on the wall supposedly interferes with the search for "truth" in a chemistry classroom? Gimme a break!!

    Sounds to me as though someone did not get tenure, and they're having a hissy fit.

  • Posted by Kathleen on February 11, 2009 at 7:35am EST
  • Maybe this symbolic display will please some current or potential funders.

  • Posted by JBM on February 11, 2009 at 7:35am EST
  • Lori is correct. The complainers knew full well at the time of contract that the institution was Catholic. They are free to find work elsewhere if they are so intolerant or pedagogically impaired that they cannot conduct instructional activities in a room that has a crucifix on one of its walls.

  • Indeed, a Catholic institution
  • Posted by Dave Stone on February 11, 2009 at 7:45am EST
  • I have to agree with Lori. Students and faculty who did not want to associate themselves with a Catholic institution were perfectly free not to do that, but chose to attend or to work for BC, which does not do much to conceal its Catholic identity.

    Faculty who are willing to take money from a Catholic institution (supported in large part by individual Catholics and other Catholic institutions because of its Catholic identity) but who do not wish to be reminded of this Catholic identity are in a weak position, it seems to me.

  • Posted by Gene on February 11, 2009 at 7:45am EST
  • I agree with Lori. It's a Catholic institution. It should be proud of its heritage. Most of the other classrooms had such icons and no doubt there are many around the campus. The professors signed on knowing the nature of the institution.

    Nothing stops a professor from teaching or imposes views on academic freedom. I would think professors have much more important considerations to worry about.

  • Christian Iconography in the classroom
  • Posted by Alan Haas , President at Educational Futures on February 11, 2009 at 7:45am EST
  • I note with interest B.C.'s addition of crucifixes in all teaching classrooms. I had always considered the classroom as a special place for the consideration and respect of all ideas, points of view and orientation. To add a symbol of Christian iconography to this venerated space, by definition, infers an exclusion of or disrespect for such diversity. This would seem to be contrary to the concept of a liberal arts education, and I think it sends the wrong message in a day where tolerance and prejudice are already being tested around the world.

  • Posted by Kalynne Pudner , Visiting Assistant Professor, Philosophy at Auburn University on February 11, 2009 at 7:45am EST
  • My surprise in seeing this article was that BC had previously NOT had crucifixes in the classrooms. At Jesuit Marquette, where I did my undergrad in the 80s, they were unquestioningly so equipped. In fact, my Constitutional Law class was opened each day with the prayer of St. Thomas Aquinas: "Grant, we beseech you, Almighty and Merciful God, ardently to desire, prudently to investigate, truly to acknowledge and perfectly to fulfill what is pleasing to you." The professor explained at the outset that this prayer could never introduce class at, say, the University of Wisconsin, but it was of the essence of Jesuit education to recognize that the truth we seek is the Truth who has been sent. Some students didn't buy it, and I imagine some faculty didn't, either, but they had to respect Marquette's consistency. As a non-Catholic, I eventually came to see that there is no more welcoming institution than the literally "catholic" church; I converted, my last year at Marquette...maybe it was those crucifixes in my philosophy classrooms?

  • Secular Faculty at a Faith-based university
  • Posted by Sol Gittleman , University Professor at Tufts University on February 11, 2009 at 7:55am EST
  • Sorry, but I cannot agree with the annoyed faculty who don't like the crucifixes in the classroom. When you are out there looking for a job, you better make certain you understand the mission of the institution. BC is Catholic; it is part of the Catholic tradition. Whether you teach theology or chemistry, a faculty member ought to understand that before they sign on for an academic job. Read the mission statement, and then make up your mind: is this where I want to teach? Don't take the job, if you can't accept the religious orientation.

  • OMG! A crucifix...run for the hills.
  • Posted by feudi pandola on February 11, 2009 at 8:45am EST
  • I agree with most posters here. Why is this even an issue? I was educated in Roman Catholic schools all my life and, yes, every single classroom had a crucifix on the wall. I don't know why that was not the case at Boston College but commend it for reaffirming the very reason for its existence.

    If professors at Boston College find the sight of the crucifix soooooo offensive as to make teaching impossible, then they should either quit or offer up their suffering, inflicted by such brutal, bloody iconography, for the poor souls in purgatory.
    Or they can just call Oprah...
    This is, after all, America, yes?

  • They Need GPS
  • Posted by Cal on February 11, 2009 at 8:45am EST
  • If you work for the Green Bay Packers organization, you would expect to see depictions of Vincent Lombardi everywhere. The Catholic Church is all about the crucifixion of Jesus.

    Perhaps those "consternated" instructors are geographically challenged. BC is Catholic. They were hopefully given a clue about that when they were hired. Perhaps they do not know where they are, so they should be provided with GPS navigation receivers.

    Have a happy day!

  • Catholic Colleges
  • Posted by Tom G. , Catholic Colleges on February 11, 2009 at 8:45am EST
  • I agree w/ Lori and the others ... a Catholic college/university has every right to display a crucifix in the classroom. It is a part of the institution's mission statement. Dissenters need to find a job somewhere else!

  • All Catholic Institutions Have Them
  • Posted by T on February 11, 2009 at 8:55am EST
  • So, if one of these professors who are protesting the crucifixes has to be rushed to a local Catholic hospital, and there is a crucifix hanging in the hospital room (and in fact, in Catholic hospitals, every room, office and space has a crucifix), will they feel "unwelcome" and demand that it be removed?

  • Posted by Donna Qualters , Associate Professor/Director at Suffolk University on February 11, 2009 at 8:56am EST
  • Being a both a graduate of BC and an "academic"I think in today's world we're focusing on the wrong issues. Of course BC should be allowed to display crucifixes as it is a Catholic institution. If people feel uncomfortable they have other choices of places to study and work. The issue is around curriculum and academic freedom, as long as BC upholds the rights of teachers and students to discuss and debate issues of substance, then who really cares what's on the wall. To be honest I don't remember if we had crucifixes 30 years ago! I do remember the vibrant intellectual and spiritual community I was part of. We wouldn't tell students of other faiths not to wear symbols of their religion in the classroom as it "might be distracting or unwelcoming". Welcome and acceptance doesn't come from iconography it comes from the spirit of the university community and as far as I can see that is not in trouble.

  • Posted by Michelle on February 11, 2009 at 8:56am EST
  • Agnostic that I am, I have to agree that the faculty and students should know full well that the institution is Catholic and that there will be the insidious creep of religion into the classroom just as that creep happens in all religion-affiliated institutions. You have to expect it and if you are uncomfortable, work or study at a non-affiliated school.

  • But why uncomfortable?
  • Posted by Erin on February 11, 2009 at 9:32am EST
  • Aside from the debate on whether or not these images should be present in the Boston College classrooms, I am fascinated by the reasons that the image of the crucifix would make these professors uncomfortable at all. These disgruntled faculty should self-examine to determine why the image makes them react this way. If they are not Catholic and do not accept Jesus in their lives, then they should have no problem with an image that means nothing to them. I suspect they are struggling with an internal conflict and that the image reminds them of this struggle. They are being forced to confront the personal decision of whether to accept or reject Jesus, and I believe it is that decision which makes them uncomfortable. Universities are supposed to be a place for self-examination and the questioning of one's beliefs, no? There's no "standing on the fence" when it comes to this issue; either you accept or reject Christianity.

  • Posted by Lawrence Mills on February 11, 2009 at 9:51am EST
  • I agree with much of what was said here. Clearly the university can display whatever it wants and clearly the faculty and students shouldn't be surprised that a Catholic institution would decorate with Catholic icons.

    I DO think it was silly the way the university decided to surprise everyone with this. It seems somehow childish or gutless to sneak in over break and do something this large. They had a good reason for their decision. They didn't need to ambush everybody. Suspicion of administrators is not new among faculty and students and having secret plans that come to fruition in the dead of night does nothing to help the relationships. What a ridiculous way to make a perfectly sensible change.

  • Catholic Colleges
  • Posted by Fred on February 11, 2009 at 9:51am EST
  • Catholic Colleges are part of the Catholic church. Any faculty member who takes a position to teach there and doesn't realize that up front is not the brightest academic to come down the pike. Mr. Carpenter is working for the Catholic church when he works for BC. Mr. Carpenter needs to find a nice secular school where religion isn't allowed to be discussed in an open forum. His idea that bright students would not attend BC because of its religious heritage is offensive.

  • Catholic crucufix
  • Posted by formerccpres on February 11, 2009 at 9:51am EST
  • It never ceases to amaze me that people go to a Catholic (or Jewish, or Baptist, or Islamic) institution and then seem to be offended at the imagery, "art" or not. I attended Catholic schools for 11 years and I can vouch for the fact that the only religiously tinted instruction I received was in the class called "religion." If the professor cannot continue to teach the subject in an academically correct manner, then perhaps he should look for a secular venue where he might be scolded by some students for holding a view (e.g. evolution) that is "anti-religious."

  • Posted by Ponzio Oliverio on February 11, 2009 at 10:00am EST
  • I am not a Catholic, but went to a Catholic law school. During one semester break crosses were painted over the doorways, to the consternation of many students. I can only say, "Get over it". Students and professors concerned about some supposed violation should remember the school has its rights to promulgate its faith. A religious institution is justified if they require professors to be of the same faith as the school, which is not even the case here.

  • "Insidious"?!
  • Posted by A Spade is a Spade on February 11, 2009 at 10:00am EST
  • Whoa, Michelle!

    There is nothing "insidious" (or "Cunning, treacherous,sly, or beguiling") about a Mission-driven Catholic education; it's blatant, thank God!

    I think you're singing from the wrong hymnal.

  • Crucifixes in the Classroom
  • Posted by Richard Fossey , Professor & Senior Policy Researchr at University of North Texas on February 11, 2009 at 10:05am EST
  • As a Catholic professor in a public university, I have a crucifix in my office hanging above the door. The crucifix reminds me to hold true to my Catholic identity in a secular world. It makes sense for Boston College, as a Catholic institution, to put similar reminders in its classrooms.

    I might add that I visited two Catholic universities in East Africa last summer: Uganda Martyrs University in Uganda and St. Augustine University in Tanzania. Both are young universities that have grown rapidly, and both have excellent reputations for their academic rigor. Both universities are making important contributions to expanding higher education opportunities for young people in East Africa. I believe that the Catholic identities of these institutions--proclaimed proudly and openly--is what has made them such fine examples of high quality higher education in the East African region.

  • Not necessarily sneaking...
  • Posted by Beth on February 11, 2009 at 10:35am EST
  • I agree with the majority of posters here about the obvious right of a Catholic institution to hang Catholic icons anywhere they want. (I spent 4 years at Notre Dame and honestly couldn't tell you whether there were crucifixes in every classroom or not..I never felt stifled to express my often minority opinion, either.)
    The only major problem I have with the other posters is their buying into the "spin" by the BC faculty that this was done over break as a way of being sneaky. Maintenance work, especially loud work like hammering, is often done over breaks. It is not sneaky any more than buffing and waxing the floors is sneaky. Maintenance people don't get 4-6 weeks off over Christmas. They work on projects that are difficult to complete when classes are in session, projects like hanging a crucifix in every Catholic classroom. Get over it. Oh, and be a little nicer to your custodial and maintenance staff!

  • Doublethink Redux
  • Posted by Burns on February 11, 2009 at 12:05pm EST
  • How interesting to hear a proponent of diversity speak of BC as a place that can either recruit the best or proclaim its Catholic identity, but not both. When similar things are said on issues of affirmative action, the speaker is usually labeled a racist. But the gold medal for doublespeak surely goes to the statement in here in the comments section from Mr. Alan Haas, "President at Educational Futures":

    "I note with interest B.C.’s addition of crucifixes in all teaching classrooms. I had always considered the classroom as a special place for the consideration and respect of all ideas, points of view and orientation. To add a symbol of Christian iconography to this venerated space, by definition, infers an exclusion of or disrespect for such diversity. This would seem to be contrary to the concept of a liberal arts education, and I think it sends the wrong message in a day where tolerance and prejudice are already being tested around the world"

    Mr. Haas must mean "implies," not "infers," but perhaps he intends to tell us indirectly that the liberally educated should be more tolerant of his creative grammar. He for his part clearly received his liberal education in some "venerated space" somewhere, a space not polluted by images like the crucifix. (We need to be open and tolerant! Get that crucifix out of here!) I love his last sentence too--as if there were ever a time when "tolerance" wasn't being tested. Oh wait-- he claims that "prejudice" is being tested too! That's precious. Perfectly inclusive.

  • an explanation
  • Posted by Anonymous on February 11, 2009 at 12:05pm EST
  • I can't believe how many commenters here don't get it. I can't be sure myself, but I think I know what's going on:

    In the US, there are many good Catholic colleges and universities but few, if any, great ones. Typically, the Catholic identity is a substantial part of their draw for students, and they have no real desire to compete with the very best non-religious institutions. BC was one of the few exceptions. In recent decades, they have worked hard to distinguish themselves from other Catholic schools. They have heavily recruited non-Catholic faculty and students and have really emphasized that they were more interested in academic excellence than in religious conformity. Of course, everyone knew that it was a Catholic insitution and that religion played a much larger role there than at any secular school. However, there was a definite feeling that BC had chosen to downplay its Catholic identity to raise academic standards.

    One could argue about whether this was a good idea. I think it was: it's hard to recruit the best non-Catholic faculty and students to a Catholic school, so the alternative is sacrificing academics in favor of religion. There are so many Catholic colleges out there, of all different types, that it's hard to see how it's wrong to give Catholic students another choice (namely, an excellent school with a real but downplayed Catholic identity).

    In any case, right or wrong, BC did this. A lot of people went to BC knowing that it was Catholic but also believing that it wasn't the sort of place that wanted a crucifix in every classroom. It's no surprise that they are unhappy to learn that someone in the BC administration does want that now.

  • crucifixes or public funding?
  • Posted by Doug on February 11, 2009 at 12:05pm EST
  • I agree a Roman Catholic institution has the right to hang crucifixes everywhere if it feels it is the best thing to do, realizing that it will lose many professors and students who do not like to have those things hanging over their heads, BUT ONLY if the institution receives NO public funding for its operating or capital budgets. If it receives ANY federal or state funding at all, it should have to reconsider, open this up to wider debate, and perhaps reach some compromise position. Perhaps this should be a choice between crucifixes or public funding, or perhaps the number of classrooms with religious imagery should be proportional to the public funding it receives.

  • Diversity? Exclusion?
  • Posted by Mike on February 11, 2009 at 12:10pm EST
  • The Catholic Church includes more than a billion people worldwide. The majority of Catholics are not white Americans or Europeans, but come from Africa, South America, and Asia, from every race and ethnic group on the planet. Catholics are represented in virtually every political movement in the world, and Catholic theology ranges from the very, very liberal to the very, very conservative. The professors who are complaining about crucifixes having a negative impact on "diversity" don't seem to realize that Western secularism, particularly the academic varietyty, is far less diverse and far more homogenous than the Catholic Church.

  • Dude, it’s a catholic institution!
  • Posted by Idealist on February 11, 2009 at 12:10pm EST
  • *eye roll* It seems that the crux of the debate centers around ‘religious icons’ being placed in “MY lecture hall” and no asked me first. It’s a Catholic institution! Didn’t you notice that when you walked in the door? BC is an excellent institution and is a credit to its benefactors. If you, as faculty members are so superstitious that religious symbols prevent you from teaching or makes you feel uncomfortable, then I would be very leery of thunderstorms!!! Man up, move on, and get over it...

  • BC and religious art
  • Posted by Moya on February 11, 2009 at 12:10pm EST
  • I agree with Lori, Dave and Gene...most significant, I agree with the BC students who have requested religious art on their Catholic university campus.

    Why would the art and symbols be viewed as divisive? Why are some faculty so concerned? Did they not know that they are teaching at a Catholic university? The rich intellectual and faith tradition of Catholic higher education should be a cause for rich reference and discussion, not division.

  • Crucifixes in the classroom
  • Posted by michael steltenkamp on February 11, 2009 at 12:10pm EST
  • I don't know why a Catholic (or other Christian-related) university can't have crucifixes or crosses wherever it wants to put them. Should these schools likewise not have a chapel on their campus for fear of offending atheists? When professors accept positions at church-affiliated institutions, they supposedly profess to being a supporter of the school's "mission and identity." They don't have to be a member of the school's religious affiliation, but a criterion for hire is that they respect and want to be part of the tradition and vision of the school's founders. When my university built new classrooms, it was a Jewish biology professor who asked at a faculty meeting when the crucifixes would be installed. For him (and many of us), they symbolized the freedom to address matters of faith in the classroom at a Catholic university. The offended, protesting professors have options--the hundreds of state schools that don't permit freedom of expression in such matters. I feel badly that Boston College has these type of people within it. They should never have been hired.

  • Crucifixes in the Classroom
  • Posted by Burton H. Wolfe , Publisher at Burton Wolfe's E-books on February 11, 2009 at 12:10pm EST
  • Whenever any aspect of "Christian" religion is broached, everybody always avoids the fundamental issue: Is there a "Christian" religion? I have answered that question in my book "The Case Against 'Jesus'", the first and only book which proves, by massive and documented and irrefutable evidence, that "Jesus Christ" is an imaginary figure, that the entire New Testament is fiction, that there were no Christians in the First Century, and that there are no bona fide Christians now. What exists is not Christianity, but rather churchianity. My book has been publicized in newspapers here in Florida, and the result is dead silence. There is not a scholar or theologian anywhere on earth who can refute or even rebut so much as one sentence in my 300-page book (World Audience Publishers).
    - Burton H. Wolfe

  • Posted by Marsha Urban on February 11, 2009 at 12:57pm EST
  • I did my undergraduate work at King's (Christ the King) College in PA. To be honest with you, I cannot remember if there were crucifixes in the classrooms or not. Although Catholic, I did not attend King's for the religious affiliation, but rather, for the education and enviroment. I do agree with Georgetown that iconography should not be in the center of the room (above the instructor or the opposite wall). When I teach, I like a clock dead center on the opposite wall, so I can keep an eye on the time. I do not like things on the wall behind me when I lectures, since I want to control what a student is looking at--me or what I am projecting. It is a Catholic college, and people know that going in. Putting a crucifix on the side wall does not present a problem to me.

  • Crucifixes in the classroom
  • Posted by Mary R. Bellino , Teacher at Windham Middle School on February 11, 2009 at 1:40pm EST
  • I am a Catholic and I applaud the placement of crucfixes in the classrooms and any other religious art the institution wishes to add. After all, it is a Catholic College. My question is this.........How did the school ever lose its Catholic identity to begin with? Why were they removed to begin with? Did the school fold to secularism? As for these professors who complain, I say, then leave. It's a Catholic school and so what if it is now reclaiming its Catholic identity? Respect the school or leave.

  • Missing the point
  • Posted by Ralphinjersey on February 11, 2009 at 1:40pm EST
  • As a Catholic, I'm offended by Dunn's reference to the crucifix as "art." They are reminders of our Savior's death and resurrection, and the promise of salvation, not mere adornments.

  • crucifix in classroom
  • Posted by P ranaudo on February 11, 2009 at 1:45pm EST
  • Boston College is a Catholic College. Why is the placement of a crucifix in the classroom a problem for some teachers....

    They are working in and being paid by a catholic school....do you think that they didn't know it was a catholic school till the crucifix went up?????

    I see this objection as a clear indicator that they should not have been teaching there in the first place. They clearly have a problem with religion and its expressions.
    What kind of attitude have they been transmitting to our young?

    Let them take there intellectual pride to a secular school where it may be appreciated.

  • "Crucifixes in the Classroom"
  • Posted by Marianne Trace on February 11, 2009 at 1:45pm EST
  • Fact being Boston College is a Catholic college, it should have crucifixes in it's classrooms, hallways and offices in the same way a Catholic hospital has the same in their rooms, hallways and of course the chapel, and my ob/gyn has Catholic artwork and a crucifix in their waiting room. Makes sense to me. God is taken out of too much anyhow as it is. Boston College; STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT.

  • Crucifixes
  • Posted by Lisa , Professor at Purdue on February 11, 2009 at 2:13pm EST
  • I normally don't comment in this forum. Most of the time I agree with what most of what others have to say and in this case I also agree with the majority. However, Burton needs to reexamin his beliefs. It is unfortunate that he has published such disturbing and misleading ideas! Burton you need to explore some reputable Catholic websites of which there are many and get in touch with any of a numbetr of Cathoic Apologists who will educate you.

  • Posted by theo on February 11, 2009 at 2:51pm EST
  • The professors who are protesting the Crucifixes of Jesus the Christ are wrong.

    They have choosen to be employed by a Roman Catholic institution established by Jesus Christ.

    These professor are disingenuous in their rebellion. Facts are facts...their paychecks are from Christ.

  • Getting to the crux . . .
  • Posted by Steve on February 11, 2009 at 2:51pm EST
  • Having experienced 16 years of Catholic education (the last 4 at an institution that also provided the first 2 years of seminary training for one of the major religious orders), I found my attention immediately drawn to this article as soon as I saw its headline.

    I am not surprised that almost all respondents so far have sought to defend BC's decision. I am surprised, however, by the malevolent tone and bad faith of most of these responses. Interestingly, the article mentions Fr. Kennedy's reference to Pope John Paul II's description of the crucifix as an "invitation to love." Where is that spirit of love (or even tolerance) in the comments following the article? When I read them, I am instead reminded of the sentiment (ascribed both to Disraeli and Israel Zangwill): "Forgive us for being a little concerned. Two thousand years of Christian love have worn upon our nerves." At a time when Bishop Richard Williamson's diatribes against the two "scourges of God" (Arabs and Jews)are at the forefront of newstories, can any thinking person seriously believe a non-Catholic "should have no problem" with having a crucifix in a classroom? Erin suggests that anyone bothered by its presence "should self-examine to determine why the image makes them react" that way. I personally know a university president whose entire family was rounded up and sent off to a death camp by good Catholics wearing crosses as they performed those acts. I do not think that person's self-examination will take very long.

    I am also disturbed by the "straw man" quality of the responses, which so stridently insist on the "right" of a Catholic university (that actively recruits non-Catholic students and faculty)to display religious iconography. Everyone concedes that right. Look at Professor Carpenter's words: "I would go on record as saying, 'It is true. It's a Jesuit institution and as such it has every right to place images wherever it wants. It's just that it's not a very smart thing to do.'" The question, rather, is whether an institution should do something it has every right to do when it knows that doing so will cause discomfort to a great many persons that it has invited to join it? (What would Jesus do in such a case?)

    Ironically, the Jesuit order in particular has a long history and tradition of showing remarkable tolerance and restraint in such matters, along with a profound respect for the sensibilities of non-Christian people. That is why the Jesuits were so successful in their missionary work in Japan and in the Americas (in contrast to the more intolerant Franciscans and Dominicans).

    I assume, by the ways, that those commentators who have been so insistent on BC's "right" to display images were equally emphatic in celebrating Taliban Mullah Mohammed Omar's "right" to destroy the 1,700-year-old sandstone statues of the Buddha in the Bamiyan Province of Afghanistan since Afghanistan is an Islamic country and the Koran prohibits graven images.

    My first full-time teaching position was at a liberal arts college affiliated with the Methodist Church. During the seven years I taught there, I was never once made to feel uncomfortable or unwelcome because of my not sharing the beliefs of that Church. When I studied theology at a Catholic college an hour's drive away from BC, I learned that kind of consideration was the way I should treat others. I am sorry BC does not also accept that part of Catholic teaching.

  • Posted by AC on February 11, 2009 at 2:52pm EST
  • For so-called people in this article who want to be incusive of everyone, they sure are exclusive when it comes to Catholic Christians. Talk about a double standard. The crucifix is an invitation to love. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.

  • Jesus
  • Posted by linda c najdowski on February 11, 2009 at 2:52pm EST
  • Why were they ever taken down in the first place? Jesus is there for everyone. We need reminders to keep us from the bad things we are bombarded with from the world. Thank you!

  • Posted by John T. on February 11, 2009 at 2:52pm EST
  • I attended a Catholic university where I don't remember a single crucifix in any classroom. There was a crucifix in the basketball arena and the chapel. Three religious courses (not necessarily Catholic-- I took one Eastern Religions class) were required as part of the core curriculum.

    Many Catholic universities seem to suffer on the peer scores of US News rankings, perhaps because their religious affiliation might be seen as affecting the quality of instruction in areas like science, human sexuality, etc. I don't know if that's true-- as a non-Catholic, I loved my time at what was then the largest Catholic university in the nation. Some of my favorite instructors were Jesuits teaching non-religious classes. But then again, there wasn't a crucifix hanging over every blackboard.

  • Inclusive People Want To Exclude Catholic Christians
  • Posted by Br. Angelo on February 11, 2009 at 2:52pm EST
  • Give me a break. For so-called people who want to be inclusive of everyone, they sure want to exlude Catholic Christians, even to the point of having crucifixes in their schools. Talk about a double standard. The crucifix is an invitation to love. Jesus is the way, the TRUTH, and the life.

  • Posted by paul on February 11, 2009 at 2:52pm EST
  • Boston College was built on the backs of working class men and women. These Catholic blue collar workers wanted a Catholic Institution which would help their children reach the next level of spiritual and intellectual development. If you look at the history of Boston College, you can make the argument that it was the most influential institution in Boston from the 1940's through the 1970's. Any outward manifestation of its Catholic heritage honors the memories of those who sacrificed to make BC a truly successful Catholic institution.

  • Posted by Ken on February 11, 2009 at 2:56pm EST
  • I applaud the returning of crucifixes to classrooms. I will be really impressed, though, when Boston College and other so-called Catholic universities begin teaching the authentic Catholic Faith in their theology departments.

  • history of private colleges
  • Posted by North Carolina , academic advisor on February 11, 2009 at 2:56pm EST
  • I personally have always been attracted to state schools, although I am a committed Christian. I do respect Christian colleges, especially the older ones, for what they contributed to early higher education in the US. Harvard educated before there was a nation to fund a university. Many were founded in rural areas to educate those who had no other opportunities. These institutions only survived because of the commitment (including financially!) of their sponsoring churches. Many religiously-affiliated colleges and universities have gone from being deeply involved in their religion to somewhat affiliated with it in recent years. I applaud BC for making a concerted effort to return to their history and their religious tradition. While I believe there are also private universities who have allowed their faith to influence the education too much, symbols hardly seem to do that. We have the freedom in the US to pursue the type of education we desire, and every member of the BC community made the choice to go to BC. Hopefully, they will learn to appreciate the hard work the Catholic Church has put in to this university, whether or not they personally choose to follow the Catholic faith.

  • Posted by Lil Ol' Me on February 11, 2009 at 3:05pm EST
  • Two of my children attended Saint Louis University, a Jesuit institution that also "decorated" with crucifixes. My son's dorm window overlooked the Muslim's worship space (mosque) that was located on campus. Every Friday he "tolerated" the traffic and the noise coming from that building. How is it that our Catholic church must always act according to the wishes of those outside our church, even on our church-owned property?

  • Posted by JBM on February 11, 2009 at 3:05pm EST
  • "A lot of people went to BC knowing that it was Catholic but also believing that it wasn’t the sort of place that wanted a crucifix in every classroom. It’s no surprise that they are unhappy to learn that someone in the BC administration does want that now."

    Any such people have multiple options available to them.

    On one hand, for example, they can simply go to one of the very many other colleges in this country and elsewhere. Problem solved.

    On the other hand, they can embrace the opportunity to receive an important education about tolerance for diversity. One important lesson they can choose to learn from the situation is not to be of such completely overwrought hypersensitivity that the mere sight of crucifixes in a Catholic institution sends them into emotional uproar.

  • Posted by sarahsamuel at First Nation on February 11, 2009 at 4:01pm EST
  • This is the way it should be in a catholic institution and not the way status quo demands it as in today's society there are not many public places that catholics are allowed to diplay their faith.This way when teaching proffessionals apply to a catholic institution they know that it is with catholic practices and if it is going to infringe on their "comfort zones" they need not apply.Simple as that. The cross is a reminder and expressing our faith and belief and why should those who don't share the same belief say "no show" to expressing it in a catholic university?

  • Crucifixes
  • Posted by Anne on February 11, 2009 at 4:01pm EST
  • Two comments:
    At one Catholic college with which I was affiliated, an adjunct faculty member before each of his classes, climbed on the desk and removed the crucifix from the wall behind him, placing it gently aside while he taught and then replacing it on the wall when he finished his class. His reason, which he explained to the students,--he was strongly oppossed to capital punishment and the crucifix symbolized it for him. I respect that.
    2. At another Catholic college, after a fire, the crucifixes, even those that were not damaged, were not replaced in the classrooms. Few would consider them "religious art", or "art" in fact, and they were known to cause discomfort to at least some of the 50% of the faculty/student body who were not Christian I respect that as well.
    As a former Catholic College president, I support the faculty who do not see the need to introduce crucifixes in the classroom. Ought not our Catholic colleges and the Catholics at them better demonstrate their faith through Catholic social justice rather than by mere symbols on classroom walls? If those of other faiths or of no faith, whom BC afterall recruited to join them), are distanced by crucifixes, should we not be more interested in making them welcome as Jesus would than in displaying our "religious art" on classroom walls?
    A Catholic educator

  • Crucifixes in the Classroom
  • Posted by Nancy Hines , Director, Health Services at St. Ambrose University on February 11, 2009 at 4:01pm EST
  • YES!!!! I was very happy to read this news and not surprised that liberal faculty would find it offensive. I hope the students will be very vocal in their support of keeping the crucifixes in the classroom. They are the future.

    Take care,

    Nancy

    Nancy Hines, MS, RN
    Director, Health Services
    St. Ambrose University
    Davenport, IA
    HinesNancyA@sau.edu

  • Crucifix in each Classroom
  • Posted by Jacqueline Kruger on February 11, 2009 at 4:01pm EST
  • This IS a Catholic University, right? Well, did those professors who are objecting to the placement of a crucifix in each classroom smoke some funny stuff when they applied for the positions? They were aware that Boston College is a Catholic University. There are many well equipped, Catholic and non Catholic teachers who would love to teach in a University and who would not object to any symbols of Christianity within the Univerity Walls, so, why don't you just ask these unhappy, disgruntled dimwits to leave if they are so distracted, uncomfortable and incapable of teaching with a crucifix in the room and teach in a public college or university elsewhere. Besides, there is something not right about a secular teacher, teaching students in a Catholic School.....How can they truly instruct on the level of Christian principles if they are for example, atheists? If this is not acceptable in today's world, then why have a Catholic Institution if Catholic Principles are not at its roots?

  • Posted by Offended , Ms on February 11, 2009 at 4:24pm EST
  • I am so tired of everyone telling everyone else what to do. It is supposed to be a free country. It is a catholic university that lets anyone who wants to go there of other religions. If someone doesn't like the artifacts, then go somewhere else. Or, maybe, make them take their burkas off when on campus.

  • Posted by Helen on February 11, 2009 at 4:26pm EST
  • Why should Catholics "water down" their beliefs just to be "politically correct" for the sake of those who don't believe as we do?How wonderful to see someone not afraid to do what is right!

  • Posted by Sue on February 11, 2009 at 4:26pm EST
  • Two observations. One - after visiting Boston College with my high school daughter last summer, it was clear from the architecture, artwork, and atmosphere that the school was Catholic. This fact shouldn't be surprising to faculty members who work there. Two - did anyone else think it odd that BU does not have a faculty senate? Without a faculty senate, this type of faculty-administration difference of opinion seems to be coming out very sideways. They need a forum for better communication and understanding between faculty and administration it seems.

  • Meaning of the cross
  • Posted by Non-Catholic Jesuit Alum on February 11, 2009 at 4:30pm EST
  • I wasn't particularly religious in college, and neither was my college, but it was a Catholic (Jesuit) institution and displayed Christian art in the classroom. Usually just a crucifix along a wall. And it was a powerful experience - reminding you to take your studies seriously and seek truth with reason. "Ad majorem dei gloriam" - Act for the greater glory of ground.
    In essence, that's the core of Jesuit teachings. And frankly creating an atmosphere - even a vaguely Christian one - sounds a lot better than the growing number of colleges, whose identity is being determined by the number of computer labs or private bathrooms it has.
    I applaud the efforts of Boston College to reclaim their identity as a Catholic institution. Sure knows so do the students, who will at least have something interesting to look out during a boring powerpoint presentation.

  • Crucifixes in classrooms
  • Posted by Vin on February 11, 2009 at 5:05pm EST
  • I believe any Catholic institution should be identified as such and a crucifix is certainly a symbol of Christianity, in this case, Catholicism. Bravo for having the courage to show what I hope is Catholic roots in this university.

  • I think it's great!
  • Posted by Mike Smith on February 11, 2009 at 5:05pm EST
  • Wow, Just when I thought the Jesuits were ready to cave in and become the PCuits, they come through with a public expression of faith and love for Christ. I think it's great!

  • Posted by Annoyed Staff Member on February 11, 2009 at 5:05pm EST
  • I'm surprised the faculty aren't presenting the argument, "I came here because of the Jesuit values of curiosity and dialogue, not for the oppressive values of the Catholic church". It seems that many faculty use this FALSE pretense to rationalize their working at a Jesuit institution. I guess they forgot that without Catholicism, there are no Jesuits.

  • Religious Art
  • Posted by Genevieve A.Reed , R.N.OCN on February 11, 2009 at 5:20pm EST
  • Why would anyone question religious art in a facility which is a religious institution ? I think too many comments are made on behalf of a small group who will always try to stir something up.Did not this professor know that he was working in a Catholic College ?

  • Catholic presence
  • Posted by John M. Imp , Ph.D., L.P. at MU Grad on February 11, 2009 at 6:28pm EST
  • Those who are anti-Catholic have many more places open to them to teach in, to work in, and to study in than those who are openly Catholic. Students who want to hear the subject matter presented from a rationalist, humanist, moral relativist point of view have many more options than those who would like to hear the theistic, moral absolutist point of view of the subject matter. -- A Marquette grad.

  • Crucifixes in the Classroom
  • Posted by Vince on February 11, 2009 at 6:32pm EST
  • Amir Hoveyda, chemistry department chair, was quoted as saying; “A classroom is a place where I am supposed, as a teacher, to teach without any bias, to teach the truth..."

    Amir, do you believe that the truth can only be found in the study of chemistry, or other sciences? Can it ever answer any of mankind's larger questions about life, death, eternity; the reason for being?

    Science is limited to the collection and analysis of data about material phenomenon. What about non-physical events, like the mystical revelations of the great Catholic saints?

    Science is not able to reveal the fullness of the Truth because it is limited to the analysis of data about the physical universe. Your reaction to the religious icons is a reflection of your bias; if you cannot observe it, count it, or graph it, you simply discount it which is a prejudiced response.

    Jesus’ death on that cross is an eternal Truth, and I highly recommend that you read the works of the great saints such as St. Teresa of Avila, St. John of the Cross, and St Faustina’s diary.

  • Crucifixes
  • Posted by Alba , n/a at n/a on February 11, 2009 at 6:33pm EST
  • Boston College is a Catholic College. Catholic means universal, Catholic means we believe that Peter was the first Pope and that Peter was given the commission to go and preach the gospel to all nations, which gospel you may ask? The True Gospel, that is God became man, He is known as Jesus, the Messiah, who died on the cross for our sins, all of our sins, Jews, Gentiles..weather we accept it or not that is what it means to be Catholic, so for those that don't see it like that or are insulted by that, then maybe they should go teach somewhere else. We will still pray for all that they will hear the calling of their savior, Jesus Christ.

  • Boston College
  • Posted by Theo on February 11, 2009 at 6:33pm EST
  • It is nice to see BC go back to it's routes. I have always called it BC (barely Catholic) BC is supposed to be a Catholic school and crucifixes should be all over the school. If you don't like it you can always go to Harvard or Berkley.

  • Posted by Sherri on February 12, 2009 at 5:25am EST
  • I say good for you, put up 100 more!!!!!!

  • Yes, To The "Crux" of the Matter
  • Posted by John on February 12, 2009 at 5:25am EST
  • Knowing that it goes without saying that a Catholic college, like the majority of commenters on here rightly acknowledge, has every right to display the object of their very reason for being anywhere on their own property, I do have to question what someone pondered was the motivation for some faculty criticism by dismissing Erin's insightful belief that it makes them uncomfortable because they have to do a "self-examination" of where they stand before Christ. The bottom line is that this is EXACTLY the reason for their "discomfort".

    This same person went on to question, while at the same time weakly acknowledging their right to do so, the prudence of a Catholic college actually exercising this very right to express this identity, making the following statement: "...The question, rather, is whether an institution should do something it has every right to do when it knows that doing so will cause discomfort to a great many persons that it has invited to join it? (What would Jesus do in such a case?)..."

    What Would Jesus Do? Is this person serious? So, Jesus was a politically correct pushover then? If you read the Gospels, it's crystal clear that Jesus always told the Truth, never compromised on any of it, and He made many, many people VERY uncomfortable all the time and never thought twice about it; so much so that it led to Him being crucified--hence, the crucifixes in question (just read how he treated the Pharisees and Sadducees all the time with such "kid gloves" and "tolerance", because he didn't want to make them "uncomfortable"). To suggest this is to have a fundamental misunderstanding of Christianity.

    Despite the best efforts of those like the aforementioned commenter to make us somehow feel guilty for plainly speaking the truth, Christians are not to compromise on the Truth, just as Christ Himself never did. This is the basis as to why it is not only BC's right to have the crucifixes in every room in the first place, but why it is also prudent and why Erin is correct in her theory as to it leading people to do this self-examination on whether to follow Christ or not; thus from some who reject Him, the age-old outcry in protest.

  • "Art" in classrooms
  • Posted by bb on February 12, 2009 at 5:25am EST
  • These should never have been removed. Look at the state of our country. We let ONE woman change so much that we can't pray etc. Why do we allow religion be taken out of any religious building or teaching classes weather it is Catholic or Protestant. If a person doesn't want it, let time go to a state school. It is about time we stand up for what we say we belive and do what is right for Christ.

  • Crucifixes in the Classroom
  • Posted by Laura on February 12, 2009 at 5:25am EST
  • Incredible! People who work at a Catholic institution complaining when Catholic traditions are expressed. That's like going to another country and complaining when they speak their own language. These employees knew where they were applying for jobs, and they could just as well have chosen to work for a secular institution. My only question is what took BC so long to realize they should have crucifixes in every classroom? Someone has been asleep at the wheel.

  • JESUIT EDUCATION
  • Posted by MAUREEN WALSH , R.N.,MS on February 12, 2009 at 5:25am EST
  • CRUCIFIXES ARE THE SUPREME SYMBOL OF THE CHRISTIAN Faith. The CRUCICIFIX represents the epitome of salvation history, when Christ became human ,born of the virgin MARY, WAS CRUCIFIED, DIED AND WAS BURIED, AND AS PROPHESIED, ROSE AGAIN, AND AFTER 33 YRS.OF TEACHING THE TRUTH OF GOD'S EXISTENCE, LIFE AS WE ARE MANDATED TO LIVE IT AND LIBERATING THE HUMAN RACE FROM
    ORIGINAL SIN, HE ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN.

    THIS IS THE CRUX OF OUR FAITH FOR 2000 YEARS! FAITH AND REASON (BELIEF AND UNDERSTANDING ) OF HIS CREATION AND HOW IT UNFOLDS IN GOD,S PLAN IS ALL REVEALED. THIS IS ACCOMPLISHED BY FAITH IN GOD,S DIVINITY (THE SUPRNATURAL), AND THROUGH SCIENCE (THE PHYSICAL WORLD AND SPACE...LAWS,ECONOMICS,CULTURES ETC. FAITH AND REASON ARE INEXTRICABLE AND CONSTANTLY REVEALED THROUGHOUT EXISTENCE.

    JUST LOOK AT EXTENSIVE CATHOLIC HISTORY...COPERNICUS,GALLILEO,NEWTON, ETC. AND JESUIT UNIVERSITIES ,THE FIRST IN THE WORLD FOR THE COMING TOGETHER OF DIVERSE INTELLECTUALS THE HISTORY IS EXTENSIVE IN CATHOLIC EDUCATION , AND INDEED THE JESUITS BEGAN THE UNIVERSITY TRADITION IN THE FIRST FEW HUNDRED YEARS A.D.! THEY ARE THE FATHERS OF ASTRONOMY FOR STARTERS.

    THE JESUITS HAVE AN UNENVIABLE ACADEMIC HISTORY IN EDUCATION, SCIENCE, RELIGION, CULTURE, AND MULTITUDES OF OTHER INFLUENCES.

    THEY TAKE NO BACK SEAT TO ANYONE IN TEACHING GOD'S TRUTH IN CREATION AND SINCE THE CROSS IS THE RAISON D'TRE, MAY THE CROSS NEVER BE OUT OF VISION!

  • Posted by Brandon , student on February 12, 2009 at 5:25am EST
  • I had an avowed atheist philosophy professor my first semester at a Catholic university. There was a crucifix on the wall of course. He didn't say anything about it, he didn't take it down, it really didn't matter to him. It was there, why is that a big deal? It wasn't gaudy or distracting and it didn't prevent him from trying to help us to the truth. And his atheism didn't bias the class either.

    These BC professors are unbelievable for their childish complaining about something that has no effect on their teaching.

  • crucifixes in the classs room
  • Posted by Ed Juroske on February 12, 2009 at 5:25am EST
  • Its about time that Catholic colleges show some "back-bone" by placing crucifixes in their class rooms. Jesus Christ did not back down when his former disciples left him, read John 6:60-71 pay attention to v-66.

  • Posted by Diana Tietz on February 12, 2009 at 5:25am EST
  • I'm sorry but It is a Catholic collage. There is only two collages that I would want my Grandchildren to go to that are Catholic in the U.S. I would rather send them to a collage that is not Catholic. They have been going to Catholic schools K threw 12 I would want them to go to a Catholic Collage that would respect the teachings of there faith. If they go to a non Catholic school then there would be no surprise in the non believers with there atheist beliefs.

  • Has everyone lost their mind?
  • Posted by Gina Jones on February 12, 2009 at 5:25am EST
  • The crucifix never should have been taken out due to pressure from those who chose to attend a catholic college and were offended by its symbols, teachings and whatever else that's catholic. You don't work in a porn shop and demand all pornography is removed because you are offended by it and it's not conducive to your work. GIVE ME A BREAK! YOU CHOSE TO WORK/ATTEND a CATHOLIC COLLEGE! Get over it, get your degree, and fight for something that does not OFFEND others like us who are CATHOLIC.

  • Catholic College?
  • Posted by William Moreno Jr on February 12, 2009 at 5:25am EST
  • I live in California so I do not know but is not Boston College Catholic? Is not Chirst crucified the centrality of the Catholic Faith?

  • Crucifixes in the Classroom
  • Posted by Jazz4Life on February 12, 2009 at 5:25am EST
  • This article reminds me of my undergraduate years at University of Dayton, a Catholic (Marianist) institution. Even as early at the late '70's and early 80's, we had crucifixes in all classrooms.

    Having not been raised in the Catholic tradition, I still decided to matriculate at UD. Even then, I understood it was a Catholic school, different from my Baptist upbringing. So, seeing crucifixes in each classroom didn't both me, as I understood, "Hey, it's a Catholic school, I should expect that." So, to hear people speaking about the negative impact of placing crucifixes in classrooms, to me, begs the question: "Didn't you know you were working at/attending a Catholic university" in terms of BC? Does it not make sense that artifacts, icons, etc. of institutions reflect their traditions?

    Even though I'm still not Catholic, I don't quite comprehend how others are offended by crucifixes at a Catholic institution. If I were at a Buddist institution, guess what icons I would expect to see? Buddist. If I were at an institution that had Islam as its foci, I would expect to see icons/art that reflected that tradition, and I wouldn't be offended.

    Hmmm, sometimes I wonder if it is us, i.e., those in academia who're truly "screwing up" the world. We argue/debate about everything nonsensical while millions of people lack health care, are uninsured, jobless, homeless, etc. The result seems the same as "business as usual," that is, we debate while disinfranchised communities die.

    Further, when I think about the condition of our world, and those in powerful positions who run it, I keep coming back to the same ol' reality: it seems the so-called "smart," college-educated people and "intellectuals" continue to destroy the whole damn world (and their pockets get filled with $$) while the poor die (or get prison). I just don't get it.

  • Good move!
  • Posted by sally on February 12, 2009 at 5:25am EST
  • It's a catholic institution...if it was a Jewish school I would expect all kinds of art work or other material that showed the great beauty and the heritage of judaism including a star of David or other such holy symbols. This would not interfere with my education and if it did, why would I be working or attending? What is the issue?

  • Crucifixes in the classroom
  • Posted by Ric4angelsrlkm@aol.com on February 12, 2009 at 5:30am EST
  • I salute BC for doing what is right about our faith. We should stand for what is right in the eyes of God, we cannot just seat and let the secular world dictate what we should and should not do concerning our faith and tradition.

  • Crucifix
  • Posted by Chuck on February 12, 2009 at 5:30am EST
  • I cannot believe this kind of stuff goes on in a Catholic institutions. A CATHOLIC COLLEGE!!! This is a college run by the Jesuits of the CATHOLIC CHURCH!! Why are people getting upset over this? The image of the crucified Christ is one of great value to us Catholics. It represents the pains our Lord went through for ALL PEOPLES' sins, even those idiots who are upset over it. If it is so offensive, then please find another job or go to another school. We Catholic would never go to a Jewish school and demand the Star of David be taken down or to a Lutheran school to take down a picture of Martin Luther (if one exists). Get over it people. If the professors quoted have a problem, then please surrender your tenure and move on. The more the better. What is the world coming to?

  • Imagine that!
  • Posted by prayerwarrior4Jesus on February 12, 2009 at 5:30am EST
  • Imagine that! Catholic art and iconography at a Catholic college! BTW, why are the secularists dictating to the Catholics at a Catholic institution anyway? I say, let them leave, the sooner the better. It's time for ALL Catholic colleges and universities to reclaim their Catholic identity. Kudos to the president and all those responsible for being "responsible" stewards of what God has entrust to them.

  • Crucifixes in Classrooms
  • Posted by Orestes Isa on February 12, 2009 at 5:30am EST
  • I'm shocked that anyone would protest a Catholic Religious Order putting up a Catholic crucifix in a Catholic University. Am I missing something here?

  • Crucifixes in the classroom
  • Posted by Darlene Dinishak on February 12, 2009 at 5:30am EST
  • Boston College is a Catholic College.
    The crucifix should be displayed as a
    reminder of the college's true identity.
    Displaying a crucifix or religious statue
    or painting does not take away from the
    respect for diversity or other religious
    traditions. It simply defines that Boston
    College has a special Catholic mission.

  • It is a Catholic College
  • Posted by Maryanne on February 12, 2009 at 5:35am EST
  • I am amazed that anyone with any maturity or intelligence would complain that a Catholic College has a Crucifix in the classroom. I would not want this professor teaching my children if he cannot understand that a Crucifix is a reminder that Jesus died to save us from our sins. That is the cardinal tenet of Christianity. If he feels that will affect his teaching, he should not be teaching there. I praise God that finally Boston College is acknowledging it Catholicity. I pray they truly become a Catholic College - and I know our Lord will bless them.

  • Posted by Jenny Duncan on February 12, 2009 at 5:35am EST
  • It is about time Catholic institutions put God back where he belongs in the Church and in the Classrooms.
    Jenny

  • Crucifixes in Classroom
  • Posted by joan kane on February 12, 2009 at 6:25am EST
  • As a proud graduate of Georgetown University, I can only say the Crucifix should be in each classroom especially when the institution is Catholic and Jesuit. There are thousands of other institutions for all to teach and/or attend but let these Jesuit institutions of higher education show utmost respect to Our Lord Jesus Christ.

  • Expression of culture
  • Posted by barbara arato o'brien on February 12, 2009 at 6:50am EST
  • I find it difficult to understand why one's faith or culture becomes an offense particularly when (1) the very country it is being expressed had its basis in that culture, (2) the institution one is making a living in was founded by believers of that culture. How closed minded can a person be who goes to a country or institution whose whole existence is steeped on a particularly culture whose belief system promotes the very values and freedoms you cherish? Maybe that is why those people come to such country and stay in such a country and get employment in such institutions. The world is pretty big I am sure life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness can be found elsewhere.

  • Posted by Donna Pennington on February 12, 2009 at 7:45am EST
  • Glory to God! Reclaim our institutions. Shine the light!

  • Posted by John on February 12, 2009 at 7:45am EST
  • This is what happens when Professors think that they are God

  • Steve and geting to the Crux
  • Posted by Tom Heckel on February 12, 2009 at 8:50am EST
  • Steve, you raise excellent points and I am sorry that you still bear the scars of an unnamed university president whose family was killed by Catholics. What you see reflected in most of the comments in this thread is the visceral reaction many Catholics have for the attacks that come in daily from an increasingly intolerant (of religion...see Bill Maher etc.)secular society. Organized religion, and it seems to us paranoid Catholics, is increasingly seen to be the province of a bunch of intolerant, anti-intellectuals, who just can't get with the program. Everywhere we turn we see growing intolerance of perceived "intolerance". In Canada now priests can be arrested for advocating Pro-Life from the pulpit, as this is now considered "a hate crime". As you want us to understand and tolerate your POV, we only ask the same of you.

  • Posted by Balding Eagle on February 12, 2009 at 9:15am EST
  • As an alumnus of the late 60's, when Boston College began it's enourmous growth spurt that took it from a regional university to a national one then on to an international leading university, somewhere along the way, it appeared to lose some of it's Catholic Identity. Sometime in the 80's, it removed all crucifixes (and it is not religious art) from the Classrooms. My children did not see them in the late 80's or early 90's when they attended BC. But like the Prodical Son, BC has decided to change it's PC secular approach and return home to it's Jesuit roots initated in 1863 in Boston. I'm sure the 30,000 students that applied to BC's 2000 freshman seats this month, will still attend and receive a fabulous Jesuit education. As for the Faculty, you still have academic feedom and BC is still a liberal arts college. Congratulations to President Wm. Leahy SJ, this small but important move will reinforce your Jesuit Mission. God Bless you and the University.....now just remove the annual "Vagina Monolog" Plays from campus, please....

  • Posted by Barnett on February 12, 2009 at 9:22am EST
  • I think that many people are missing the real point of this article. I agree with many- the crucifixes should never have been taken down. But they were. BC is going through an identity crisis. When I came to BC in 1987 I was told that it was a Jesuit institution. Being a non Catholic, I had no idea of what that meant. There was really very little mention of the Catholic nature of the institution, other than that Jesuits were Catholic. Being here and learning about the Jesuits, I came to love the idea of a Jesuit education. This is about the same time as some of the professors in the article arrived at BC. As a non Catholic let me tell the Catholics that there is a difference between the promotion of an institution being Jesuit versus being Catholic. I personally have no problem with either, they both provide a great education. But to a non Catholic the differences (although subtle) are real. BC is going through a transformation. It is becoming less Jesuit and more Catholic (once again this is from a non Catholic perspective). This is the right of the institution and the upper administration. However, it should be recognized that this change can cause some angst in non Catholics, especially when those individuals don't feel they are party to the change, or have any voice in the change. Remember that these professors came to the institution when it was proclaimed to be a 'Jesuit' institution. And, once again, to non Catholics there is a difference. These professors also have no voice in the university as a whole, because their is no Faculty Senate, or any way that allows them to hear about and discuss change. This can cause great insecurity. So these professors bought into an institution that is now in flux. Perhaps it is going back to it's deeper roots- I don't argue the point, nor make a value judgement. But I acknowledge that it is changing. I only write this to help people better understand where these professors are coming from. And to answer the many accusations in the previous posts: If they are non Catholics they did not know that this was a Catholic institution or what it means to be a Catholic institution when they where hired. They were simply coming to a world class institution.

  • Crucifixes in class
  • Posted by David on February 12, 2009 at 11:25am EST
  • There is no such thing as complete objectivity. You either believe what you teach or you don't. Muslims are allowed to teach classes on Islam, Jews on Judaism, but it makes no sense to have an atheist teach Catholicism. My point is that if a college claims to be both Catholic and objective in it's teaching, it must give fair treatment of other beliefs without apologizing for it's own. By removing Crucifixes, you're saying you are ashamed of the gospel. People of other faiths often respect Catholic's rights to express their beliefs and are scandalized when they try to hide it-they think Catholics are ashamed of their beliefs. This trend in not wanting to offend people with a crucifix while allowing expression of other faiths is double standard whereby secularists promote discrimination against Catholic forms of faith expression e.g. the crucifix, out of a false pretense of sensitivity to those of other faiths. If I go to Israel to study at a Hebrew University, I should not expect that that university change it's Jewish faith expression to make me more comfortable because I'm not Jewish. Likewise, a Catholic school should be expected to express it's Catholic identity. If it doesn't want to do that, it shouldn't call itself Catholic because then it becomes a secular university deceptively pretending to be Catholic.

  • Crucifixes in the Classroom
  • Posted by Marcia Tresmond , Dean of Students at Erie Community College on February 12, 2009 at 12:45pm EST
  • GOOD FOR BOSTON COLLEGE! iT'S A CATHOLIC COLLEGE. Celebrate being Catholic. As far as being "all Inclusive" with faculty who are not catholic; did it ever occur to them that if they go to A chinese restaurant, they are going to be offered Chinese food in a Chinese decor? If they go to a mexican restaurant- surprise the menu is mexican!! No one is discouraging people of other faiths to teach at a private catholic college, but get with the program - It's a catholic college in a catholic environment.

  • Posted by mary on February 12, 2009 at 12:45pm EST
  • This is the drawback of the rampant anti-western,anti-European, multicultural drivel we're poisioning our kids with these days. We're not supposed to upset anyone with Christian religious displays,but we bend over backwards to accomodate non-christians and immigrants so that we don't upset their delicate religious and cultural sensibilities.Nonsense.

    Why is Amir Hoyveda so upset?!! This is a JESUIT school;a school founded by a Catholic religious order.Crucifixes are part of Catholic tradition.Duh.
    If we were in Mr. Hoyveda's country we'd be considered western bigots if we objected to religious symbols or ceremonies that are part of his everyday culture.Little effort would,or even should, be made to accomodate Christian sensibilities in a non-christian environment.We may not like it,but we'd suck up and accept it as part of our lot for leaving our comfortable Christian environment.

  • Posted by Pam on February 12, 2009 at 12:45pm EST
  • Those who can't stomach the crucifix at a Catholic college should go so the purification can continue--now on inside of the cup. And hurry up, too, I'd love to send one of my precious children to BC!

  • Crucifixes in the Classroom
  • Posted by Karen Mucksavage on February 12, 2009 at 12:45pm EST
  • Why are some americans afraid or uncomfortable with Christian/Catholic symbols/art in religious schools? And why do they think they have a right to voice opposition to them when they knew of the affiliation of the school that they work for and or attend when they signe up? Why are people trying to push God out of society?

  • Posted by Sheri Abals on February 12, 2009 at 12:45pm EST
  • I can't understand how a spiritual icon can upset people so much, unless they side with the devil. If they are so close minded, then they should find employment or attend school elsewhere. Don't loose site of the imporant values. We are called to preach the word of GOD in any way we can first and foremost. Maybe a cross can make a person think about what Jesus did for us. It is time for Christins to stand up for what we believe and silence the anti Christs of the world!

  • crucifixes in the classroom
  • Posted by colleen , mrs on February 12, 2009 at 1:50pm EST
  • Why not have a Crucifix hung in every classroom, its a Catholic University. If you "choose" to work in a Catholic University or attend a Catholic University expect to see signs and symbols of our faith. If you no longer want to work there, or don't want to attend college there because you are offended, you have the "right" to "choose" another institution. There are plenty of teachers looking for jobs in this economy who are just as talented as the teachers at BC who aren't offended. I don't think BC will have problems filling the shoes of teachers who are offended by Jesus Christ on the Cross. I am proud of BC making the right choice and hope that they don't cave into the "worldly" view of keeping Christ out of the Classroom. Thanks. Colleen

  • crucifixes at B.C.
  • Posted by Patricia Danaher on February 12, 2009 at 4:00pm EST
  • Why is this even an issue? Boston College is a Catholic Institution and as such SHOULD have crucifixes in all the classrooms. If any of the faculty don't like it, they are free to leave. I am sure that there are hundreds of highly qualified professors who would love to teach at B.C. without complaining about the crucifixes. Have any of the faculty who are whining about this ever had an issue with taking a paycheck from a Catholic institution? As the parent of a B.C. grad, I am pleased that B.C. is embracing its Catholic identity.

  • Crucifixes
  • Posted by Joe on February 12, 2009 at 4:00pm EST
  • "You can’t recruit the best by placing crucifixes in every classroom."

    Why is Boston College recruiting vampires?
    Or are students and professors so petty, so narcissistic that the sight of the crucifix
    transforms them into unenlightened morons, unable to lean or be educated. Wait I think I just found out what causes liberalism!

  • Crucifixes in the Classroom’
  • Posted by John Ryan on February 12, 2009 at 4:45pm EST
  • I'm quite sure if the catholic art work was a crucifix in urine or the Blessed Mother in cow dung, the facility would be fine with it.

  • A Sign of Love
  • Posted by Rose Marie Benoit on February 12, 2009 at 4:45pm EST
  • B.C.is a Catholic, Christian, College. The Crucifix is a Christian symbol and a sign of God's Love for all people. Therefore it is not out of context to place a Crucifix in the classroom. The Flag is a symbol of our country, the USA. Should we put our precious honored symbols under a basket to be hidden. Why should we be ashamed to express our love for God? He was not ashamed express His love for us when He died on that cross. Why is it so threatening to some professors? I felt so happy to read that this colledge took a courageous stand to honor the God of our understanding, Jesus, in the classroom.
    God Bless all who enter Boston College under the banner of the crucifix, a sign of true love, meant to unify.
    Thank You,
    Rose Marie

  • Crucufuxes in the classroom
  • Posted by clementine on February 12, 2009 at 5:45pm EST
  • I applaud Rev. Kennedy for his stand. Boston College is a Catholic College and as such I would expect christian art or icons. I am tired of apologizing for my faith. I'm sure those professors that disagree were not drawn to teach at BC because of its christian roots but rather the pay and if they can find another institution that pays better they are free to leave. I'm sure they can be easily replaced.

  • Crucifixes in the Classroom’
  • Posted by Richand on February 12, 2009 at 5:50pm EST
  • As a Catholic parent researching colleges for my children to attend in the next few years this article has convinced me to BC at the top of the list. WAY TO GO BC!!!

  • Posted by John Guzaldo , Unbelieveable on February 12, 2009 at 5:50pm EST
  • To say that having a crusifix in a classroom is "unwelcoming" is absolutly rediculas and insulting. If a white student said that about a picture of Martin Luther King he would be labeled as insensitive and racist and probably sent to a "sensitivity" class. These professors will push their own agandas on the students in the name of "academic freedom" but still take the Church's money to do it. I would say to those proffessors that if they don't like the crusifixes then don't let the door hit them in their butts on the way out!!!

  • Crucifixes in the Classroom
  • Posted by Gerry Zipf on February 12, 2009 at 5:50pm EST
  • The cross/crusifix is and always has been a sign of contradiction. It has ever been rejected by those who cannot accept it.

    It's placement on the walls of a Catholic University is NOT a contradiction and those who reject it there are free to place themselves somewhere else.

    Gerry Zipf BC/NC'75

  • Crucifixes
  • Posted by bernadette on February 12, 2009 at 10:05pm EST
  • Three cheers for Boston College! Stand strong.
    Do not give in to political correctness.

  • Catholic Identity
  • Posted by Fr. Joe Barrett on February 13, 2009 at 4:25am EST
  • I think that the university needed to decide whether its going to be an excellent University or an excellent Catholic University.

    It has decided to become an excellent Catholic University, therefore the Christian art is not only acceptable, but expected.

    I personally think it is a good choice. While some people may be offput by the Christian Identity, many of the brightest and best students will be attracted to the Christian Identity.

    Those who cannot accept it have many excellent institutions they may attend. I appreciate the fact that such an excellent school will be an excellent school of faith.

    I agree with Prof. Hoveyda that teachers should search for and teach the truth courageously, wherever they find the truth.
    They should teach about God and Jesus if they find the truth there. I think that
    Boston College as a Catholic institution is trying to bring its students to the Truth as they have found it.

  • Crucifixes in the Classroom
  • Posted by Wendy Gamache on February 13, 2009 at 8:05pm EST
  • Good for you BC! Don't these students and teachers realize they are studying and teaching at a Catholic university? I went to Canisius College, a small Jesuit college in Buffalo, NY and I hope they too have a crucifix or other icons in their classrooms as well. I do not know because I was not Catholic at the time and to be honest didn't notice. Thank you for upholding the Jesuit heritage of a Catholic University!

  • What's wrong with expressing our faith?
  • Posted by Kenneth T. Tellis on February 15, 2009 at 6:40am EST
  • I don.t usually get into religious squabbles, but there is a time and a place where I feel that I as a person should stand up and be counted.

    Perhaps I should explain myself further. I oppose anyone who outside an instution enforces his/her narrow minded views upon others. There is nothing wrong with Catholic institution having symbols of Catholicism. After all it a Catholic institution and has that right. But those who challenge this right are opposing religious institutions from being what they are.

    I my case I challenged the archbishop of Montreal a Metis who thinks he is French-Canadien and was excommunicated for it. He has established that ALL Catholic Churches in Montreal sport Joual (French patois signs), including those of English Parishes. That is outside his purview. For this I was excommunicated. In Quebec religion and language are tied by the Quebecois church and so the war goes.

    The Catholic faith is not one tied up to a specfic language and thus all languages are equal as in God's eyes, that s except in Quebec.

  • Posted by Betty , NOT a Catholic on February 16, 2009 at 2:20pm EST
  • I couldn't believe that so many intelligent people would comment on this article and basically all say the same thing. And some times some articles with read "meat" are ignored. Interesting!

  • Crucifix in Classroom
  • Posted by Bill on February 23, 2009 at 4:04pm EST
  • As a graduate of a Jesuit Catholic Institution, I applaud the decision to place the crucifixes in the classrooms. I remember crucifixes in the classrooms of my alma mater, Loyola U Chicago, a Jesuit Catholic University.

     

    If crucifixes were to go up in classrooms at NYU, or Princeton, I could understand the outrage. However, B.C. openly presents itself as an institution of higher learning backed by the faith of the Roman Catholic Church, and the Jesuit Order.

     

    I feel sorry for anyone who has trouble understanding the logical connection between this religious foundation for a university and the placing of religious symbolism ANYWHERE within the university grounds.

     

    We live in a wonderful and free country which allows religious institutions to flourish and pronounce their beliefs in many ways and forms, symbolic certainly included. If a student, professor, or provost finds this offensive, they are welcome to apply their studies or skills elsewhere.

  • Posted by Ranger Dan on February 25, 2009 at 10:30pm EST
  • I make no apologies for my beliefs, and those that feel outrage over my display should feel no threat. I exclude no one, but reserve the right to honor my god in my home as you should too. Anyone who would protest this display in my own home (BC) should spend the time they waste expressing misplaced anger examining their own motives.

  • Atheist piping up...
  • Posted by KHoward , Dir at AI on March 5, 2009 at 1:45pm EST
  • As a content atheist, if I were teaching in a Catholic University/College, I would expect to see signs of their belief and faith. It would not shock, appaul, upset or enrage me. I obviously would not be teaching their doctorine but that would be understood up front. I would not get into a debate with anyone about my beliefs because that is not what I was hired to do. I would teach the subject hired to teach. I would support the mission of the campus but not compromise my own convictions. I would respect all beliefs.

  • Posted by GFM , Professor of Humanities at Maryville University on March 5, 2009 at 3:45pm EST
  • Academic freedom does not just apply to individuals, but also to the identity of institutions. A Catholic institution has a right to espouse Catholicism and it has many more rights attached to its credo. Authentic diversity of institutions of higher education should mean that a culture has a variety of institutions which espouse quite possibly different values; this is the meaning of authentic pluralism. 

  • Sheer Folly over Crucifix in the Classroom
  • Posted by Warren Rosenberg , Provost / VPAA at Iona College on March 5, 2009 at 4:45pm EST
  • One of the freedoms we blessedly possess is the freedom to seek employment where we wish and to decline accepting positions in organizations where we have fundamental disaffection for the mission. When electing to accept a position in a Catholic institution, or an institution with a expressed Catholic affiliation, the presence of Catholic symbols and icons should be expected and, if we embrace the mission of our employer, welcomed.

    For any academician who truly understands the Catholic Intellectual Tradition, the contention that a crucifix in the classroom precludes the ability to present an unbiased chemistry lecture, or a lecture on any topic, is sheer folly.