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February 16, 2009

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The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs has posted a preliminary, state-by-state list of the maximum amount of tuition and fees payable to veterans under the new Post-9/11 GI Bill, and the numbers are causing some confusion – not least because they are in many cases higher, and in some cases, much higher, than anticipated.

Under the new GI Bill, which goes into effect in August, eligible veterans can get their tuition covered up to the cost at the most expensive public college in the state, based on undergraduate resident tuition and fees, in addition to receiving housing and book stipends. The estimated price-tag for the legislation is high: $28.1 billion over the first five years and $78.1 billion through 2018. But some worry whether the cost will rise even higher if the preliminary rates published online by the VA stand. In Texas, for instance, the maximum charge per credit hour listed is $1,333, and the maximum total fees listed, per term, are $12,750.

University of Texas at Austin’s resident tuition and fee rates for undergraduates are in the $8,000s or low $9,000s this year, with the exact figure varying by area of study.

The figures in the VA table vary widely from state to state. Bryan J. Cook, director of the Center for Policy Analysis at the American Council on Education, compared the VA’s published maximum rates to flagship university rates across the states; in 30 or 31 cases, he said, the VA’s published rates were significantly higher. “In most states, students would be eligible for a tuition and fees amount above [that of] the highest-costing flagships," he said.

“Essentially, what it looks like they’ve done is they’ve taken the highest charge per credit hour of a particular institution and then they found the highest fee amount at an institution, but they could be two completely different institutions. And then you put those together to come up with the amount that a student would be eligible for under the new GI Bill in that particular state,” Cook said.

“One of the biggest concerns that we have right now is that for most legislation, Congress has to cost it out, so they have an idea of what any type of initiative or program is going to cost the federal government. Among most of the people I’ve talked to, there’s a general consensus that the cost under the table the VA put out is probably not what Congress imagined when they put this bill in place.”

One implication, if the higher-than-anticipated rates stand in certain states, could be for the transfer of federal educational benefits to private colleges, both nonprofit and for-profit. (For-profit colleges are among the biggest educators of veterans; University of Phoenix leads the pack among all colleges in terms of receiving veterans’ benefits.) Veterans can apply GI Bill tuition benefits, up to the maximum in-state, undergraduate public tuition and fees charged in each state, to private institutions. Beyond that, private colleges can enter into matching agreements with the VA to cover the outstanding balance.

In Tennessee, the maximum amount of tuition and fees a student could at least theoretically carry to a private institution, before any matching would kick in, is high, particularly on the fee side: The maximum total fees amount to $15,130, and the maximum per-credit hour charge listed by the VA is $265. By contrast, undergraduate tuition and fees at the University of Tennessee at Knoxville is a lot less than that maximum number, at $6,250 per year.

So where did those higher numbers on VA’s chart come from? In Tennessee’s case, at least, a very pricey public aviation program, explained Tom Morrison, assistant executive director of veterans education at the Tennessee Higher Education Commission. “They wanted us to submit to them [the VA] the program in the state which charges the maximum amount,” said Morrison, who cited the undergraduate program in aerospace at Middle Tennessee State University. “The flight labs for that program are what drove our costs way up. That’s what I sent; of course that doesn’t represent what most [students] of the state would be spending.”

In fact, the high $15,000+ total fee amount comes from the most expensive semester-long term in the flight training program, Morrison said. At the same time, the maximum tuition rate, at $265 per credit hour, is derived from a separate program, the Regents Online Degree Program, a collaborative initiative across the state institutions. “If MTSU did not have the aerospace program with those very costly flight labs in it, it would be a whole different deal,” said Morrison, who added that he submitted information to the VA on more conventional college costs as well.

Keith Wilson, director of education services for the VA, was unavailable to offer clarification Friday; a scheduled late afternoon interview was canceled due to a last-minute meeting. The VA chart posted online is listed as being preliminary, as "being made available to assist veterans and schools with their planning." Thirteen state figures have asterisks by them, indicating that numbers are being verified with state approving agencies (Tennessee is among those states with an asterisk; Texas is not). Two states are listed as having not responded to the VA request for data, Kentucky and Massachusetts.

Cook, of ACE, said that the higher education coordinating association hopes to continue working closely with the VA to clarify what the maximum per-state tuition and fees are, and what the listed rates mean. “In no way are we trying to attack the VA.... We’re just trying to get a better understanding of exactly what went into the numbers in this table,” Cook said, adding, too, a need for better instructions on how to interpret the numbers in the table (do you, for instance, multiply the per-term total fees by two in all cases, or the per-credit charge by 24, to estimate the annual maximum rate)? “The other thing is that whatever is done, it has to be consistent within each state,” Cook said. “If you’re going to throw in outliers in one state you have to look at other states.”

“I just have a general question of are we comparing apples and apples here?” said Susan K. Hattan, a senior consultant to National Association of Independent Colleges and Universities. “In other words, is a term defined as a quarter, a semester or whatever, or does it vary from state to state? And if it does then how do you do the math?”

“These are just questions. I’m sure they’ll be further clarified.”

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Comments on Questions on Tuition for New GI Bill

  • Tuition for new GI Bill
  • Posted by Carol DiDomenico on February 16, 2009 at 1:15pm EST
  • What about the decedents of World War II... my Dad served and was even awarded a Bronze Star. My son is in college now and his dad also served and is now deceased. Am I and so many other decedents of World War II, Korean War (Police Action), Vietnam chopped liver. Our loved ones served so I guess they should now be fogotten. I DON'T THINK SO!

    Just like the stimulus bill... if the everyday person doesn't get substantial help to support these companies being given all the money what good will it do.

  • Gotcha, Elizabeth,
  • Posted by DFS on February 16, 2009 at 4:50pm EST
  • and wink, wink. How dare we allow some GIs to attend the most expensive places? How dare they, and what hubris!

    We must put them in their places, after all. They must be morally inferior -- just a bunch of ne'er-do-wells, and never the "Best and brightest." Never mind that they come from the general population, and therefore they might be able to perform with a 4.0 at any place they matriculate.

    Let's assume beforehand what they will cost us in the targeted weenie-class were're so acclimated to. Why deal with real-world (and therefore current) questions they are struggling with, when we already have our prepared philosophies to impart?

    That would take just too much effort -- above and beyond what we, as a republican democracy -- have prepared for.

    How dare they?

  • What about the veteran?
  • Posted by Dr. Randy Plunkett on February 17, 2009 at 5:00am EST
  • Okay, so far, the preliminary findings have not elicited a response from any lawmakers. I would anticipate some will decry, "We can't afford this!"

    Interestingly, when the bill was being touted as a 'return to the WWII GI Bill' last summer, we heard our lawmakers almost in unison saying this was 'the right thing to do for veterans'. The attitude then seemed to be costs be damned, we must pass this...I wonder what clamor will now result.

    For those who may not be aware, in 1944 when the original bill was enacted into law, the most expensive university in the United States was Harvard, which cost $500 per year. The maximum entitlement for a veteran? $500 per year. Back then, the attitude was two fold: IF the veteran DESIRED to attend ANY institution, and he or she was ADMITTED, the VA would cover the tuition!

    With less than 1% of our population serving in the miltary, I would expect that we can expect lawmakers to cry 'foul' any day now.

  • WOW, This is huge.
  • Posted by Jamie , Student at Methodist University on February 17, 2009 at 5:55am EST
  • Yesterday I began budgeting next years tuition ect.. And no one had any real info on the changes to the GI Bill. When I dug up the law and the preliminary rates I could not beleive it. I emailed my schools VA confirmation officer and he told me the "max fee rate" was actually the max amount allowed per semester for tuition and fees 2045.00 in North Carolina.
    If there is no equation such as the (12x max credit hour rate) talked about at the end of the article then the actual amount a student in NC could pay his school in fees and tuition is $31,678.00 at 18s.h. per term and 18 s.h. in the summer. The 2045 of fees in summer would be $2045.00 X(9/12).
    My school costs 10,750 for basic tuition. So I was expecting to have to come up with 5,000 plus fees per year after the change but now it looks like I can tack on extra classes and maybe eat at the cafeteria. WOW

  • screwed in baton rouge
  • Posted by ursula goldsmith on February 18, 2009 at 3:15pm EST
  • Boy are you so screwed in many states
    check the list.
    What about the rest of us vets?
    I served from 1958 to 1961 and never got money because it was canceled for vietnam vets. Not since world war two has this system meant anything except screw vets because they are such good americans.
    Very time a new politcian gets in we are screwed by the new administration and had our money taken away for mortgages, education, health care and more. People need to refuse to serve until this country pays its veterans and quits bailing out car makers and dealers and useless banks who throw away what we all fought for.

  • Can my daugther use my GI bill
  • Posted by SFC Faggart James on April 2, 2009 at 2:30pm EDT
  • I'm active duty and I read in the army times that my children can use my GI bill but I asked around and no one seems to know if that is going to be added in the new GI bill changes. She is attending college right now and I paid out of pocket 4,500 out of a bounus I got while deployed to Iraq. Unfortanately I will not have the 4,500 for next semister and she is doing so well and I would hate to tell her she can attend just because I don't have the funds to send her back. Can you please send me some info on the updateds or give me a number to call. Thank you.