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March 11, 2009

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At a time when many community colleges feel pressure to focus on training students for jobs, one in California is making a renewed push on the Great Books -- planning an online certificate program with the idea that liberal arts colleges and their students shouldn't have a monopoly on the classics. Its instructors believe the electronic delivery of these classical materials will draw renewed student interest in writers from Homer to Hemingway.

Next fall, Monterey Peninsula College in California will launch its Great Books Program. By completing an introductory course and any four related courses, students can earn a certificate recognizing them as a “Great Books Scholar.”

While many community colleges teach classic works of literature, full programs and online programs in the field are uncommon.

David Clemens, Great Books Program coordinator and English professor at Monterey, said he got the idea for the program from a student who purchased a used copy of Robert Hutchins’ The Great Conversation – an essay on the discourse of literature through time by the long-time University of Chicago president.

“He read Hutchins and became so excited by it that he founded the Great Books Club on campus,” Clemens said. “The club became so popular that I thought teaching this curriculum might work at the community college level. Even though there’s a lot of despair about reading, I thought that with proper methods and some kind of reward involved that reading could be revived in lower-division English.”

Essential for the resurrection of this classical literature, he determined, was the option of taking the necessary courses online. To frame the Great Books in the world of YouTube and the iPhone, he said, required that he think like Janus – the two-faced Greek god of gates and doors.

“You have to have the ability to look backwards and forwards, to use a new thing to get to the old thing,” Clemens said. “It seemed to me the next logical step was to take this into an online delivery system. The problem is then how to package those courses in a way that is congenial to the online environment.”

Having created and taught a number of online courses himself, Clemens said the environment is most conducive for “boutique courses” or those students take because they have a genuine interest in the subject. For instance, he noted that he would never teach an introductory English course online, calling it “just wrong” and unfair to both the student and instructor.

Still, the online environment does present a number of challenges for Clemens and his fellow instructors, especially considering the difficulty of some of the works and authors this curriculum requires. Students who need quick answers to their questions – for example, about the meaning of a dense phrase or an antiquated word – may have to wait for an answer via e-mail or in a Web forum.

“Some books are just harder to teach, period, and that’s probably amplified online,” said Alan Haffa, a Monterey English professor who will instruct one of the online program’s lengthy survey courses in the fall. “The older the book, the more dense the book and the more historically embedded the work, the more difficult it’ll be to teach in this format.”

If there is an online disconnect between Haffa and some of his students, he said it is most evident when he finally has the opportunity to meet with them in person or talk with them by telephone during his office hours. For example, he said, he will often encounter a student who consistently mispronounces a character’s name or fails to read rhythmic prose with the intended emphases. The “give and take” of conversation that would correct these, he said, is lost online.

For all the shortcomings of teaching the Great Books online, the Monterey professors agree there are many benefits that make this method of delivery worthwhile. They even muse that the lag time in a professor’s response to a student query actually might be an advantage.

“Students have more time to think about what they’re actually saying in writing,” Haffa said. “In a classroom, if I pose a question to you, you’ll have to respond instantly. Online, students have about a week to think about it and have more time to find quotes to support their ideas. In some ways, it’s better. They have more time. That’s the advantage of a written dialogue instead of a spoken one; it’s a more critical thinking medium.”

Though students will watch streaming video clips and explore other multimedia addendums to their classical literary coursework, the Monterey professors hope that their students will never fully abandon the physical books. Clemens, for instance, discourages his students from securing digital copies of their assigned readings – though most of them are now in the public domain and available online via sites like Google Book Search and Project Gutenberg. (He admits that his age may be what's preventing him from full digital immersion.)

Clemens and Haffa both reject the common criticisms of the Great Books curriculum – such as that it focuses only on “dead white men," making it inherently racist and sexist. The online environment, they say, helps to liberate them from these sorts of complaints. Also, they argue, the online option just may make these literary works more appealing to students.

“I’d like to think it makes it sexier,” Clemens said of the online program. “It’s not the great heavy tome. Students can do this on their own time and at their own pace. It makes it more personal. I just keep running into students who are hungry for something they feel is substantial. The notion of our certificate, which designates a student as a ‘Great Books Scholar,’ is a sign to an employer or for a transfer application that they’ve done something worth remembering. I think many students see value in that."

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  • More Great Books Programs
  • Posted by R.J. O'Hara on March 11, 2009 at 5:00am EDT
  • Talk about great minds running in the same channel... :-)

    Earlier this very evening I was commenting that a Great Books major is the sort of thing nearly every community college of any size ought to have -- not as a requirement for all students but simply as an available program like any other. The Clemente Course in the Humanities is a good model for some of the elements of such a course. (Whether it is online or face-to-face is another matter.)

    Similarly, many universities that are scrambling to keep their enrollments up are certainly missing out on a similar niche: a Great Books master's program for older adults. It would probably have more societal value than the much-hyped executive MBA programs that many campuses are selling.

    Should any forward-looking president want to hire people to set up or teach in such a program, then like a lot of other people, I'm available. :-)

    —R.J. O'Hara (rjohara@post.harvard.edu)

  • What caliber is your canon?
  • Posted by Donna , Lecturer, Entering Student Program at University of Texas at El Paso on March 11, 2009 at 10:30am EDT
  • I am very much interested in this certificate program and its online delivery. However, I am disappointed that no reading list, not even author names, is suggested. Perhaps the process of determining a reading list or lists is a topic worth another article.

  • links to list
  • Posted by Roslyn , Coordinator IE&A at Austin Community College on March 11, 2009 at 1:45pm EDT
  • Clicking on the link embedded in the article ( works and authors) will provide the list of books.

    Great Books curriculum is a great idea!

  • Posted by comatus on March 11, 2009 at 1:45pm EDT
  • I have a word for this plan: Huzzah.

    It's about time. No, really, it is: Time.
    After 40 years of heavy suspicion that the only reason high schools teach literature is to make sure no one gets liking it too much, we're about to see the ambition and goal-orientation of "vocational" students unleashed upon the real core curriculum, denied them for two generations.

    Sure, it will take two years of junior college to make up for what no one learns in high schools now, but when these students hit the Arts (and Sciences!) Departments of New-traditional universities, there will be some changes made. And some of them will go into business! Move over, semi-literate MBA's. You're not going to get those laser-pointed pie charts past Tacitus and Gibbon. O frabjous day. We're going to have grown-ups!

  • More Great Books Programs
  • Posted by R.J. O'Hara on March 11, 2009 at 3:00pm EDT
  • Talk about great minds running in the same channel... :-)

    Just yesterday I was commenting that a Great Books major is the sort of thing nearly every community college of any size ought to have -- not as a requirement for all students but simply as an available program like any other. The Clemente Course in the Humanities is a good model for some of the elements of such a course. (Whether it is online or face-to-face is another matter.)

    Similarly, many universities that are scrambling to keep their enrollments up are certainly missing out on a similar niche: a Great Books master's program for older adults. It would probably have more societal value than the much-hyped executive MBA programs that many campuses are selling.

    And should any forward-looking president or provost want to hire people to set up or teach in such a program, then like a lot of other folks, I'm available. :-)

  • Praise
  • Posted by Tim Lacy on March 11, 2009 at 4:00pm EDT
  • I applaud Professors Clemens and Hoffa not so much in the spirit of great books promotion, but because CC students should have as many possible affordable academic options as other students in higher education. If a student has the aptitude and inclination for a great books style learning program, then by all means, feed her or him. All that's needed are willing faculty members, willing administration, and a sense of courage. For, on my last point, the great books---if the selections used truly are great---are prima facie above all of our heads and worthy of multiple readings. And not everyone has to use the same great books list. While great books programs in the past were perhaps administered with a narrow emphasis on definitions of great, a program can still be tailored within the confines of excellence. I mean, what were Adler and Hutchins' "Great Ideas" but a series of well-considered themes. I digress. My point in commenting is that the great books idea is amenable to democratic culture and democratized education. - TL

  • Great -- where do we sign up to teach this?
  • Posted by Donald M. Scott , Independent Scholar at The GeoS Project on March 11, 2009 at 11:45pm EDT
  • If you read Ed Abbey's Desert Solitaire, there's a wonderful chapter in which Abeby has a dream-like encounter with a spirit, who discusses the differences between "civilization" and "culture." It's a wonderful guide to the type of ideas that will be discussed in your course.

    So how do we sign up to teach?

    DM Scott

  • No George R. Stewart?
  • Posted by Donald M. Scott , Independent Scholar at the GeoS Project on March 11, 2009 at 11:45pm EDT
  • No George R. Stewart books on the list? No EARTH ABIDES? I'd say that's a shortcoming!

    DMS

  • Congratulations and other similar programs
  • Posted by J. Scott Lee , Executive Director at Association for Core Texts & Courses on March 12, 2009 at 5:00am EDT
  • I have written congratulations to Drs. Clemens and Hoffa, directly. I simply wish to apprise those who are curious about liberal arts, great books programs at community colleges, colleges, and universities that the Association for Core Texts and Courses is an association of individuals and programs similar to Dr. Clemens and Hoffa's program. Hence, we rejoice in their success and offer to others the opportunity to learn about similar success stories: www.coretexts.org.

  • Congratulations!
  • Posted by SMB , applied arts & sciences at UM on March 16, 2009 at 11:00am EDT
  • It is always great to see Liberal Education making a comeback! I wonder what Hutchins would think about online learning? Personally, I find it very exciting to explore the many possibilities of delivery and text selection. It will be interesting to see how this plays out among students.

    We also have new general education requirements for 2-year programs here. This has led to a flurry of new seminars & courses to increase the traditional liberal arts content available to our community college students. As an instructor, I've found these "vocational" students to be very receptive and curious about the world of ideas -- I believe this brings a wonderful new dimension to the "Great Conversation."

    Go Team!

  • A suggestion or two...
  • Posted by Cheryl Stewart , librarian at Coastline Community College on March 18, 2009 at 7:30pm EDT
  • One of the advantages of online education is that technology can help instructors help students before the students need help: provide audio files that give the correct pronunciation for character or place names; audio files can also be used to demonstrate correct phrasing, pitch, etc. for poetry and narrative literature; include a glossary for antique language and phrasing; use images to further students understanding of difficult explanations and descriptions; use a discussion forum where questions can be posted and students can respond -- if good information is exchanged, give credit towards a grade; use online conferencing applications that allow interactive, real-time communication for reviews.

    I think having a Great Books Program is a great idea! And I think having free access to those books through Project Gutenberg is just smart!! Students should learn how to read books properly on computer screens and/or handheld devices. Those of us who have a special relationship with bound books will just have to accept that the content is the same whether on paper or screen. And really, in the end, the content is the important part of the book.