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March 17, 2009

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I admit it. I’m trying to get it wrong. I want to see what happens (for reporting purposes, of course).

I start the conversation by asking Gwen if she has an anxiety problem. Then I follow up by inquiring why she’s freaking out about the exam.

We don’t talk long before a blue screen pops up. “You have compromised Gwen’s comfort to the point where she is leaving your office. Next time, try to show more compassion for her situation.”

Game over (or start over).That’s probably a good example of how not to use At-Risk, a simulated, online training program intended to help faculty and staff get it right -- or at least become sensitized to good strategies for identifying, conversing with, and referring mentally distressed students. “We're very clear that you're not going to change your personality in 45 minutes. What we're trying to do is make you aware," said Ron Goldman, CEO of Kognito Interactive, a New York-based simulation and games company that developed At-Risk in collaboration with the Mental Health Association of New York City. "What are the things that you need to be aware of in a conversation; what are the different tactics that don't work or do work? And awareness is the first step in behavioral change.”

Launched late in 2008, the program is gaining its first college customers. The first, City University of New York, is piloting the training program at four campuses. New York University plans to purchase 50 licenses of At-Risk for a limited test run with student affairs staff.

"It essentially allows you to role-play without having to feel like you're being judged and it gives you options that are relatively realistic about what kinds of things you may choose to do," said Henry Chung, associate vice president for student health and executive director of the student health center at NYU. Chung, a psychiatrist, has modified Kognito's own self-report survey in order to gauge the program's effectiveness.

"If the student affairs folks really feel like this kind of training is helpful to them, then we're going to move to the faculty," he said.

Attention to training the so-called gatekeepers – faculty and staff -- to identify and refer at-risk students to the counseling center is not new, but has increased in the wake of the Virginia Tech and Northern Illinois University shootings.

Typically, training is still done in-house by college counseling center employees who offer workshops or speak at faculty meetings. But vendors have identified opportunities to try to systematize training, online.

Another company, Outside the Classroom, launched MentalHealthEdu, an online training program for college personnel, in October 2007; it's been deployed at 35 campuses so far, according to the CEO. At-Risk is also very much a product of its time. Advertised benefits include the ability to “maintain a record of who has taken the training for compliancy and legal purposes.”

About At-Risk

In short, here’s how At-Risk works: users (the intended audience is college faculty or staff) read the profiles of six studentsBased on that information, they choose which students they'd like to talk to.

In conversations, users assume the role of a professor. They choose -- from a number of options -- how they should open the discussion with the student. Throughout the conversation, they continue to choose, from a selection of available topics, which they should next broach. Some conversation topics put the virtual students seemingly at ease; others trigger them to cross their arms and sit back. "You're not talking about a very simple decision tree. ... The character has its own emotional state or memory so how it will respond to your question and the options you will have at that point depend on the decisions you’ve made before," Goldman explained.

“You get feedback along the way. So if you ask inappropriate questions, you’ll get feedback that way."

Ultimately, the goal is to identify and refer the at-risk students to the counseling center, either by walking them over, setting up an appointment for them, or giving them a number to call. "This is not about treatment" -- or diagnoses, Goldman stressed. "This is about identifying, approaching and if necessary referring the student."

“Once you find the three [of six] that are at-risk you have completed the game successfully."

At CUNY, "Most of the feedback we’ve gotten so far has been anecdotal, but preliminarily at least, it’s been encouraging,” said Chris Rosa, the university assistant dean for student affairs. “We’ve heard a lot of feedback that, if nothing else, these are very good conversation-starters among members of the faculty.”

“If it’s effective and if it assists faculty in reaching out to students to offer assistance, I think that’s a good thing," said Karen A. Bower, senior staff attorney for the Judge David L. Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law, which advocates for mentally ill students. She stressed that she couldn't answer the effectiveness either way. “If I were a faculty member and I wasn't sure how to approach a student, I might talk to someone at the counseling center. I might talk to colleagues. I might kind of role-play with someone. I don't know if this is as effective as those other strategies."

Greg Eells, director of counseling and psychological services at Cornell University and president of the Association for University and College Counseling Center directors, stressed a need to tie in any online training program with locally based resources. (On that note, At-Risk does offer colleges the option of purchasing a customized "My Counseling Center" page.)

“I think any of these programs can be helpful. $9.95 per user, that’s fairly pricey. But, hey, there may be some schools, Cornell not being one of them, that still have a lot of money," Eells joked. (The listed prices for At-Risk vary by number of users: It costs $24.95 per person to train 50 to 500 personnel, $9.95 per person to train 501 to 2,500 personnel, and above 2,500 the listed price is “contact us.”)

“A lot of counseling directors do this kind of work, they go out, they go to faculty meetings, they go to staff meetings, they talk about what services are available, what people should look for," Eells said.

The Role of Online Training

Pennsylvania State University has developed a series of video vignettes to support this sort of training. Just this fall, in cooperation with the local public broadcasting station, counseling center staff completed four vignettes on "Worrisome Student Behavior," The videos are posted online. (Before that, staff completed "Students in Distress," an online workshop complete with videos, in 2001-2.)

"We do workshops with faculty and staff and we've found that showing the video gives a little more life to it. At some point in the past, another staff member and I would act out the parts of student and faculty member, and people kind of liked that because we were the 'not quite ready for prime time players.' But I think this is a different level," said Mary Anne Knapp, a clinical social worker and therapist who coordinates outreach and consultation for Penn State's Center for Counseling and Psychological Services.

"One of the issues really for any of these products is how to pay for them. ... Our budget is primarily salaries so these kinds of things, unless you get some money from somewhere -- I don't know what other people's budgets are like, but I think a lot of people run into this as an issue, the money issue. And obviously we're not skilled at making movies. We know the content," said Knapp, who added that people outside Penn State have asked to use the videos. "We're fine with that. ... We feel like this exists. If they want to click into it and show it and apply it to their school, that's fine."

Brandon Busteed, founder and chief executive officer of Outside the Classroom, the Boston-based company that offers MentalHealthEdu (and is best known for the AlcoholEdu program), submitted that, “If schools are going to be effective in addressing mental health as a public health concern, they are going to have to turn to scalable programs and the only way you can do that is by integrating online work."

About a year and a half in, growth for MentalHealthEdu, however, is slower than he expected. “It’s growing for us although it was interesting -- given the amount of interest when we launched it, I’ve been surprised at how few have gone to an online program," he said.

At the vast majority of colleges, he said, "someone from the counseling center really does grass roots, 'train the trainer' work.”

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Comments on On Mental Health, an Online Tool

  • Elizabeth
  • Posted by DFS on March 17, 2009 at 5:00pm EDT
  • Very effective opening few paragraphs. I was especially riveted to:

    "I start the conversation by asking Gwen if she has an anxiety problem. Then I follow up by inquiring why she’s freaking out about the exam.

    We don’t talk long before a blue screen pops up. “You have compromised Gwen’s comfort to the point where she is leaving your office. Next time, try to show more compassion for her situation."

    After reading other guidelines presented subsequently, perhaps the dialogue could have been rephrased?

    I had a student change her course after a week, only through hyperventilation in my office and the eventual permission of the targeted class containing here high school classmates. There was no verbal communication at all -- only some nodding of heads and a lot of inquisitive responses from my colleagues. They, too, were simply amazed!

    How could I have detected such a walking catastrophe in advance, after three classes where she was silent?

  • Generalized School Phobia VS Performance Anxiety
  • Posted by Kiumars Lalezarzadeh, Ph.D. , Psych. Consultant, Pastoral Counseling, Behavioral Health at Q's Ministry of AIWP, UIL on March 18, 2009 at 4:30am EDT
  • By Kiumars Lalezarzadeh, Ph.D.
    March 17, 2009

    The training can address two separate issues. One has to do with generalized school phobia and another has to do with performance anxiety.

    About generalized school phobia: Separation anxiety begins with detachment issues with mother at child day care, pre-school, head start or kindergarten. There is fear, distress and neo-phobia that can go along with the separation from the mother who leaves the child at school. The child is left frustrated given that the mother’s nurturance is taken away. And the disappearance of the mother may signify her death and fear of oneself dying; i.e., in a projective identification process. These can generalize to other school issues later on when a student faces a test. How can that be? A test symbolizes a “developmental milestone”- it is a sign for anticipated change, achievement, stepping up and growing away to a new level. The test as an anticipatory signal can elicit old separation anxieties and anticipation of new separations to come after the test.

    About performance anxiety: Here the student’s developmental anxiety is coupled with achievement or performance anxiety. The latter being related to social, peer, teacher and/or parent expectations and the reinforcement contingencies in anticipation of the test grade. The anticipation of low grade being punishing and high grade being rewarding. Both of which set up a gradient of arousal known as the Yerkes-Dodson Law, where by both very high or very low arousal result in poor performance. And very high arousal causing distress, fear and avoidance. The arousal system is tied to sleep. And more recently research on sleep, memory and use of caffeine before test taking has been subject of research (podcast http://www.sciam.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=to-get-good-grades-get-good-sleep-08-12-08&sc=WR_20081209)

    The training can include the above factors too.

  • Involve Students as Mental Health Referral Agents
  • Posted by Rey Carr , CEO at Peer Resources on March 18, 2009 at 12:15pm EDT
  • Why limit this training to faculty and staff at universities? Students are much more likely to encounter peers who could use the assistance of mental health professionals. Why not improve their ability to help their friends and act as referral agents to counseling or other mental health services.

    The companies that provide this kind of training are doing so at a price prohibitive point, but by extending this training through campus kiosks, they might be able to charge less and make it more widely available.

  • Re: Involve Students as Mental Health Referral Agents
  • Posted by Ron Goldman , CEO at Kognito on March 18, 2009 at 4:30pm EDT
  • Rey,

    You are correct that students should also be trained on this topic. We are actually working on a number of additional versions of this product that will train university students as well as high school teachers and students. We are excited about all the great feedback and interest this program has received and look forward to introducing these additional versions in the near future. If you are interested in more information about this upcoming programs please contact me at info[at]kognito.com